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Invisible Fan
Sep 26th, 2011, 07:23 PM
This week NBA preseason games have been cancelled. How long will the lockout last?
Hopefully it can get sorted for a November start and not have a shortened season like 1999.

ico4498
Sep 27th, 2011, 02:51 PM
i luv the NBA so i'm trying to be patient. the owners staged this lockout to save themselves from each other. there are some real issues that need attention, namely the small vrs big market budget issues & franchise players "fleety" feet.

end may be in sight though (link) (http://www.cbssports.com/nba/story/15543038/hushhush-labor-meeting-means-there-might-be-progress?ttag=gen10_on_all_fb_na_txt_0001). Roger Mason, players' executive committee member, tweeted its looking like a season. hope he's right 'cause i'm ready for some bball.

~CANUCK~
Sep 27th, 2011, 03:31 PM
I would be shocked if the lockout ended any time soon. The owners can't even agree on what they want, let alone come to the table with the players and bargain.

The owners want a hard cap to save themselves from themselves (look up the salaries of Gilbert Arenas or Elton Brand if you don't know what I'm talking about) and the players want nothing of it, let alone the 10% rollback of current salaries the owners want. I would be shocked if the season started before 2012 to be honest.

JLG
Sep 27th, 2011, 05:53 PM
i luv the NBA so i'm trying to be patient. the owners staged this lockout to save themselves from each other. there are some real issues that need attention, namely the small vrs big market budget issues & franchise players "fleety" feet.

end may be in sight though (link) (http://www.cbssports.com/nba/story/15543038/hushhush-labor-meeting-means-there-might-be-progress?ttag=gen10_on_all_fb_na_txt_0001). Roger Mason, players' executive committee member, tweeted its looking like a season. hope he's right 'cause i'm ready for some bball.

I hope they don't drag this out like the last one, cause it was the end of some careers even though they still played.

Like Vin baker comes to mind....and Shawn kemp. I think Derrik coleman and some others too, if i'm not mistaken.

They all got fat :D Now that I think about it Antoine walker was pretty athletic and had hops before that too.

ico4498
Sep 27th, 2011, 09:51 PM
I would be shocked if the season started before 2012 to be honest.

would shatter my hopes, i really hope not.

Like Vin baker comes to mind....and Shawn kemp. I think Derrik coleman and some others too, if i'm not mistaken.

Kemp was a train wreck waiting to happen, lockout or no. so much talent wasted.

the press has floated the leaked idea of an amnesty cut; basically teams can release one player & pay most of his salary w/o it counting under the cap. so ... perhaps again some careers will be adversely affected. pity 'cause as CANUCK & I have echoed, this affair is about owners saving themselves from each other.

*JR*
Sep 28th, 2011, 12:43 AM
Now that Mark Cuban has a title, maybe he can replace David Stern as Commissioner. :help:

Invisible Fan
Sep 28th, 2011, 04:14 AM
If the season doesn't start for months or gets cancelled will the players play in Europe or elsewhere?

Patrick Mills is going to play in the NBL (Australia) and Australian teams are trying to sign Andrew Bogut.

~CANUCK~
Sep 28th, 2011, 05:57 AM
If the season doesn't start for months or gets cancelled will the players play in Europe or elsewhere?

Patrick Mills is going to play in the NBL (Australia) and Australian teams are trying to sign Andrew Bogut.

A bunch of players have already signed with Euro teams or Asian Teams, they just have an opt out clause that will allow them out of the deal if the NBA gets going again.

Invisible Fan
Sep 28th, 2011, 01:43 PM
Deron Williams and Keynon Martin are amongst those to have headed overseas. I wonder if other big names will follow or wait for the lockout to end.

SloKid
Sep 28th, 2011, 02:18 PM
A bunch of players have already signed with Euro teams or Asian Teams, they just have an opt out clause that will allow them out of the deal if the NBA gets going again.
Except some players, who signed in China after their new regulations kicked in under which get out clauses aren't allowed.

If both sides are smart, then they'll find a compromise, because losing a season could do a lot of irrepairable damage to the league's popularity and reputation. Maybe they can find some sort of middle ground between the current salary cap regulations and the hard cap option, perhaps a flexible cap with more restrictions than at the moment. I read today about a possibility of a massive luxury tax increase.

ico4498
Sep 28th, 2011, 03:09 PM
Now that Mark Cuban has a title, maybe he can replace David Stern as Commissioner. :help:

Cuban has great passion for the game. despite some of his shenanigans i wouldn't mind him as commissioner. doubt he'd go for it though, he's having too much fun with his little ponies.:lol:

http://www.cutekidparties.com/my_little_pony.jpg

got issues with Stern?

Deron Williams and Keynon Martin are amongst those to have headed overseas. I wonder if other big names will follow or wait for the lockout to end.

$$$ gives the bigger names the ability to wait it out. Kobe says he's considering it, but it comes across as more of a leverage play than real intent.

~CANUCK~
Sep 28th, 2011, 03:43 PM
Except some players, who signed in China after their new regulations kicked in under which get out clauses aren't allowed.

If both sides are smart, then they'll find a compromise, because losing a season could do a lot of irrepairable damage to the league's popularity and reputation. Maybe they can find some sort of middle ground between the current salary cap regulations and the hard cap option, perhaps a flexible cap with more restrictions than at the moment. I read today about a possibility of a massive luxury tax increase.

I also read today that the owners are willing to give up the hard cap and keep the same sorta cap they have now with just a higher luxury tax. I think this is a mistake as this will still allow the rich teams to "buy" their championships, unless the luxury tax is set at 5 - 1 for every dollar over, its not going to change anything.

I really do believe that the hard cap was the right move as it would have allowed all the teams to compete and it would have shown the GM's that know what they are doing as opposed to what we have now which are the GM's who have an endless supply of owner cash to spend vs the ones on a tight leash.

ico4498
Sep 28th, 2011, 04:07 PM
Maybe they can find some sort of middle ground between the current salary cap regulations and the hard cap option, perhaps a flexible cap with more restrictions than at the moment. I read today about a possibility of a massive luxury tax increase.

the owners have proposed four different levels of the luxury tax, with the tax increasing from a dollar-for-dollar levy on teams slightly above the luxury tax threshold (which was $70.307 million last season, when the Lakers, Magic and Mavericks were reportedly the only tax-paying teams), up to a 4-to-1 tax for teams that go more than $10-15 million over the threshold. There are also separate triggers for a 2-to-1 tax and a 3-to-1 tax.
http://sheridanhoops.com/

they can play with those solutions if they love labor disputes. local media $$$ create such disparity that the hard cap is the only way to go imo.

Super Dave
Oct 5th, 2011, 12:51 PM
Looks like the cancellation of the entire preseason is imminent and regular season games will start going down the drain as soon as next Monday. There is no progress in talks; both sides saying they'll meet again...sometime...?

The NBA will lose about $20 million from ditching the preseason.

Looks bleak overall.

gc-spurs
Oct 11th, 2011, 07:55 AM
Do these fuckers not care about Tim Duncan's career :sad:

Invisible Fan
Oct 31st, 2011, 06:47 AM
The NBA have cancelled the rest of November's games. David Stern says there will not be a full season now.

*JR*
Oct 31st, 2011, 01:39 PM
ABA baby! http://abalive.com/history :banana:

Maybe they'll even bring back the (disastrously run in the original one) :o Pittsburgh Condors, so Doni will have a fallback sport if when the Steelers fall to the "Ray-vens" in the AFC this year. :p

saul1333
Nov 26th, 2011, 05:55 PM
NBA lockout: owners and players reach Ďtentative deal,í David Stern expects season to start on Christmas

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/nba-lockout-owners-players-reach-tentative-deal-david-stern-expects-season-start-christmas-article-1.982857

:banana: :banana: :banana:

ico4498
Nov 27th, 2011, 12:43 AM
i'm ready:bounce:!

Invisible Fan
Nov 27th, 2011, 10:47 AM
Some good news for xmas. They have some big games on xmas day still don't they?

saul1333
Nov 27th, 2011, 06:03 PM
3 games on Christmas

Boston v Knicks
Heat v Mavs :lol:
Lakers v Bulls

ico4498
Nov 27th, 2011, 07:28 PM
Lakers w/o Bynum (5 game suspension for foul against Barea).

Invisible Fan
Nov 30th, 2011, 02:56 PM
3 games on Christmas

Boston v Knicks
Heat v Mavs :lol:
Lakers v Bulls

So that will now be the opening games of the season?
Heat will take their revenge! :D

Invisible Fan
Dec 7th, 2011, 07:53 PM
The Fakers are trying to acquire Chris Paul and Dwight Howard.

WhatTheDeuce
Dec 7th, 2011, 10:23 PM
:cheer:

saul1333
Dec 8th, 2011, 11:28 PM
The Fakers are trying to acquire Chris Paul and Dwight Howard.

Giving up Pau and Odom for CP3. They NEED to land Dwight because they will lose all their size.

SloKid
Dec 9th, 2011, 07:43 AM
:lol: Stern vetoed the Paul deal for "basketball reasons". Hornets are technically owned by the league and supposedly a lot of the owners, particularly small market ones, complained about the deal.

saul1333
Dec 9th, 2011, 03:33 PM
Report: Brandon Roy to retire due to injury

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/gameon/post/2011/12/espn-report-roy-to-retire/1

:sad: He is a great guy..really unfortunate.

At least he went out with that great game against the Mavs in the playoffs.

ico4498
Dec 9th, 2011, 05:48 PM
i wonder if they'll be any real fallout from the nixed deal? GMs are reportedly considering resigning, CP3 wants a day in court and some are calling for an end to Stern.

kinda stinks how the creme gravitates to the Fakers. its really slim pickings left for the rest.

Invisible Fan
Dec 10th, 2011, 11:11 AM
Dwight Howard is trying to follow Shaq's career. Take Orlando to the finals then go to LA Lakers to join Kobe Bryant.

mykarma
Dec 10th, 2011, 09:02 PM
Billups warns teams not to claim him off waivers
Adrian Wojnarowski

By Adrian Wojnarowski, Yahoo! Sports 1 hour, 51 minutes ago

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As Chauncey Billups prepares to have his name entered into the NBAís amnesty waiver wire, he has a message for teams considering putting in a bid to secure him for the rest of the season: Youíll regret it.

He wants the freedom of free agency to choose a contender, Billups says. As one of the gameís great leaders, and gentlemen, Billups warns that player will be a distant memory should a team claim him off the amnesty waiver wire.

ďIí m tired of being the good guy,Ē Billups told Yahoo! Sports by phone on Saturday afternoon. ďIím tired of being viewed as the guy. After a while, you just kind of get taken advantage of in these situations. Iíve been known as a leader, and I am a leader, but a leader can be as disruptive as he can be productive, especially when you carry a strong voice and people rally around you. This is about me now. This is about me, and teams should know that right now.Ē
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Chauncey Billups says he won't be the good guy anymore after he was waived by the Knicks.
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The Knicks picked up Billupsí $14.2 million option for the 2011-í12 season, but used the new amnesty provision on him so that they could sign free agent Tyson Chandler. Under the new rule, the team that offers to pay the highest portion of his contract can secure him in a blind bidding process. The Knicks will be left to pay for the remainder of the deal.

If Billups goes unclaimed, he can sign as a free agent. The Miami Heat would be a strong possibility for him, among several contenders. Billups, 34, has been one of his generationís great leaders and players, turning the Detroit Pistons and Denver Nuggets into major contenders. Billups won a title with Detroit in 2004.

ďI just donít deserve the treatment that Iíve continually gotten,Ē Billups said. ďHistorically, these things never happen to the supposed great players and good guys. They continually happen to me, and it gets old. Listen, I feel Iíve been blessed in the game, and Iíve been given back, but these things start to wear on you. But thereís not another guy in history who keeps dealing with this, getting thrown into these things to make the money right. I really believe itís because people take my kindness and professionalism for weakness. They think Iíll be OK with this. I wonít be OK with this. Iíve saved my money. I may just retire if I donít get my freedom here.

ďI want my freedom. My goal is to control my own destiny. And as youíve seen in my career, Iíve never been in a position to do that. I know some teams out there are saying, ĎOh, Chauncey will be great in mentoringí and Iím tired of that. Iíve got a few good years left to play, and Iím not trying to come in and sit on the bench, or be a mentor. Iím not going to be that guy. I want to go somewhere and win. I want to choose.Ē

Ryan
Dec 12th, 2011, 07:32 PM
So apparently the Clippers/Hornets deal is dead now too. :fiery: I was so stoked to see Griffin and CP3 play together. I hate Stern.

~CANUCK~
Dec 12th, 2011, 08:48 PM
So apparently the Clippers/Hornets deal is dead now too. :fiery: I was so stoked to see Griffin and CP3 play together. I hate Stern.

He is asking a lot for Paul because he needs to sell the Hornets soon and who wants to buy a team with no talent on it.

ico4498
Dec 12th, 2011, 09:41 PM
http://cdn3.sbnation.com/imported_assets/915689/CP-got-Stern_d.gif

saul1333
Dec 14th, 2011, 11:40 PM
NBA trades Paul to Clippers

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=aw-wojnarowski_chris_paul_clippers_121411

How many PGs do they have..4?

Ryan
Dec 15th, 2011, 01:12 AM
Yessss, so stoked with this trade. Clippers could be a nice dark horse in the Western Conf.

Invisible Fan
Dec 15th, 2011, 12:40 PM
How cool is that the Clippers get someone the Fakers tried to get. Go LA Clippers - my 2nd favourite team (behind Golden State).

ico4498
Dec 15th, 2011, 03:41 PM
source (http://www.nba.com/2011/news/12/14/chris-paul-trade.ap/index.html#?ls=iref:nbahpt1)

"Outfoxing the Lakers and thrilling their long-suffering fans, Los Angeles on Wednesday traded high-scoring guard Eric Gordon, former All-Star center Chris Kaman, forward Al-Farouq Aminu and a first-round draft choice acquired from Minnesota for Paul, the four-time All-Star widely considered to be the NBA's best point guard."

i know its NBA.com but thats laying it on a bit thick. you can 'outfox' anyone in the NBA with the commish in your pocket ...:lol:

mykarma
Dec 18th, 2011, 03:28 AM
Jeff Green has serious heart condition, will miss the season

By Eric Freeman

Jeff Green has serious heart condition, will miss the season

Two weeks ago, Jeff Green agreed to a one-year, $9-million deal to return to the Boston Celtics for a full season. He had a lot to look forward to, especially after being something of a disappointment as a trade-deadline acquisition last season.

This week, Green learned that he won't play basketball this season. But he still has plenty of reasons to cheer, because doctors caught a serious heart condition that could have threatened his life. From Jimmy Golen for the Associated Press:

Boston Celtics forward Jeff Green will have surgery to repair an aortic aneurysm and will miss the entire season, the team announced on Saturday as it traveled to Toronto for its exhibition opener against the Raptors.

Green is scheduled for an operation on Monday at the Cleveland Clinic. Doctors have told him the operation "should completely repair Green's condition and that he can expect to resume his NBA career next season," the Celtics said in a news release.

If so, the timing of his training camp physicalóand the end of the NBA lockoutómay have saved Green's life and helped the Celtics avert a tragedy like the 1993 death of Reggie Lewis, who dropped dead on a practice court of a heart condition in the prime of his career.

"While we are saddened that Jeff will not be able to play this season, the most important thing is his health," Celtics president Danny Ainge said in the release. "We were fortunate to have access to an amazing team of specialists to evaluate Jeff's case."

Green also tweeted his thanks to concerned fans on Saturday: "Thank u everyone for ur thoughts and prayers...much appreciated love u all..and I'll be back soon stronger and better than ever I promise."

The memories of Lewis loom over this story, particularly because of the Celtics connection. Because of that, it's hard not to see this as a positive sequence of events rather than bad news for Boston. They'll miss his play off the bench, surely, but Green's health is about much more than basketball. Pending Monday's operation, he should be able to live a full life when the aneurysm could have posed a major danger to his well-being.

We wish Green a speedy recovery and hope to see him back on a basketball court as soon as his health allows it. But even if he never plays an NBA game again, it's easy to be thankful doctors caught this condition before something terrible occurred.

Bagel-Monica
Dec 18th, 2011, 04:30 AM
:wavey:

goat
Dec 18th, 2011, 04:15 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ES1Gd-volwE

more than appropriate.

saul1333
Dec 20th, 2011, 05:15 PM
Clips looked good in their pre-season game last night against the Lakers. Exciting team..might have to go to some games :lol:

Ryan
Dec 20th, 2011, 06:22 PM
I'm excited to see how they do. Expectations are really high, but at the same time I don't think anyone will be surprised if the team doesn't do well. Considering how quickly their starting lineup was thrown together, who knows.