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tennislover
Sep 16th, 2011, 09:43 PM
:scratch:

Annie.
Sep 16th, 2011, 10:33 PM
Milk is gross and does way more harm than good, especially among blacks & asians.

Sean.
Sep 16th, 2011, 10:39 PM
I'm allergic to it, so bad for me. :p

Bismarck.
Sep 16th, 2011, 11:05 PM
I tend to drink about two pints of semi-skimmed per day, so it'd better be good. :lol:

Infiniti2001
Sep 16th, 2011, 11:49 PM
It's bad ewwwwwwww.. Animals drink their mom's milk as infants and never touch the shit again--I don't understand why humans have to drink it all during their lives:shrug:

Mynarco
Sep 17th, 2011, 12:11 AM
I fart a lot after drinking milk...

Sammo
Sep 17th, 2011, 12:28 AM
Bad, I drink soy milk and it's much better for my stomach. I mean I can drink milk and it tastes better, but it makes my stomach heavy. Sorry for the sucky English but its 1:25 am and I'm already off.

Mary Cherry.
Sep 17th, 2011, 12:34 AM
I tend to drink about two pints of semi-skimmed per day, so it'd better be good. :lol:

Same, although sometimes it's just skimmed milk. I can't tell the difference :lol:

Lennval
Sep 17th, 2011, 12:51 AM
All of those who claim milk's bad have no idea.
Sometimes guys, it's good to think what you post :yeah:

njnetswill
Sep 17th, 2011, 12:57 AM
The calcium in milk is much easier to absorb than from other sources. Very important for children and women over 40.

fifty-fifty
Sep 17th, 2011, 01:48 AM
This article breaks it down very well


http://drbenkim.com/articles-dairy.html


Here are some important facts that you should know about most varieties of milk that are widely available in grocery stores:

Most varieties of milk come from cows that are fed high-protein soybean meal and growth hormones to increase production. Both increase a cow's risk of developing mastitis, liver problems, and pituitary gland problems, leading to frequent doses of antibiotics. Clearly, regular exposure to synthetic growth hormone and antibiotic residues is not congruent with experiencing your best health.

Conventional milk is pasteurized, a process that exposes milk to high temperatures and results in the following:

Denaturing of milk proteins, making them less usable and even harmful to your body

Destruction of enzymes, one of which is phosphatase, an enzyme that helps your body properly absorb the calcium found in milk

Destruction of vitamins B12, B6, and C

Destruction of friendly bacteria
Many varieties of milk are homogenized. Homogenization is a process that forces healthy fat in milk through a fine straining device, which allows homogenized milk to be consistent in texture and taste rather than have globules of fat float to the surface. The problem with homogenization is that it can alter healthy fat and cholesterol in milk in a way that leaves them more susceptible to forming free radicals.

Milk can be a healthy food choice if it meets the following criteria:

It comes from old-fashioned cows like Jerseys and Guernseys, not modern Holsteins that have been bred to produce such large quantities of milk that they typically have pituitary gland problems that result in large amounts of hormones being present in their milk.

It comes from cows that have been allowed to eat foods that are natural to them: grass when it is available, and green feed, silage, hay and root vegetables during colder months.

It is not pasteurized. Pasteurization was first used in the 1920s to kill micro organisms that caused tuberculosis and other diseases that were related to unsanitary production methods. With modern day controls in place to ensure clean and safe production, transportation, and storage of milk, the disadvantages of pasteurization far outweigh the advantages.

It is not homogenized.

Realmilk.com is a website that provides more information on what constitutes healthy milk and where to find it.

Even if you can find a local source of healthy milk, it's possible that it may not be a healthy choice for you. Many people are unable to properly digest milk because they lack an enzyme called lactase, necessary to break down lactose, the natural sugar in milk. Many people have a difficult time digesting casein, a major protein found in milk. Ongoing exposure to casein that is not properly broken down is strongly associated with chronic ear infections, nasal congestion, acne, eczema, a variety of autoimmune illnesses, and even cancer.

Fermenting or souring healthy milk to form yogurt, kefir, and clabber helps to breakdown lactose and predigest casein, making these foods healthy choices for some people. Please keep in mind that many brands of yogurt and kefir are made with unhealthy milk. At the very least, you should make sure that store-bought yogurt and kefir are made from organic milk.

Butter contains very little lactose and casein, which makes it an acceptable food choice for some people - it's best to use varieties that are made with organic, unpasteurized dairy.

Cheese is highly concentrated with casein, so should only be eaten by those who don't show signs of intolerance to casein. It is best to eat cheeses made from healthy milk, and to completely avoid processed cheese which contains hydrogenated oils and harmful emulsifiers, extenders, and phosphates.

Please note: The guidelines in this article can be used to choose healthy goat's and sheep's milk and their derivatives. For more information on milk and milk products, I recommend that you read Nourishing Traditions, by Sally Fallon, or visit realmilk.com.

Mary Cherry.
Sep 17th, 2011, 02:36 AM
Oh bore. There's articles like that for everything, if you believe them all then you might as well stop breathing because the oxygen might kill you.

Dominic
Sep 17th, 2011, 02:36 AM
I tend to drink about two pints of semi-skimmed per day, so it'd better be good. :lol:

Me too :D

fifty-fifty
Sep 17th, 2011, 02:46 AM
Oh bore. There's articles like that for everything, if you believe them all then you might as well stop breathing because the oxygen might kill you.

Sorry, this is not for idiots.

So Disrespectful
Sep 17th, 2011, 02:50 AM
Milk is great, but I don't understand people who drink full cream milk. Two glasses of full cream milk is like eating a jar of lard.

ElusiveChanteuse
Sep 17th, 2011, 03:13 AM
Bad for me because I'll be visiting the toilet for quite some time after that.:lol:

Infiniti2001
Sep 17th, 2011, 03:33 AM
Bad, I drink soy milk and it's much better for my stomach. I mean I can drink milk and it tastes better, but it makes my stomach heavy. Sorry for the sucky English but its 1:25 am and I'm already off.

If you are a woman you should pay attention to what the estrogen in soy is capable of. I learned a little too late--now I only drink almond milk :)

Keadz
Sep 17th, 2011, 03:39 AM
I tried both soy milk and rice milk because I was put on a monitered diet for the past 8 weeks.

I actually can't drink it, its sooooooo bad. Try have soy milk and cerial...not possible. Soy icecream wasn't too bad though. A bit too sweet though.

https://www.nestle.au.simplicitycrm.com/library/milo/cup_redemption2011/milo-glass-enterpage.png
Only reason I drink milk these days.

So Disrespectful
Sep 17th, 2011, 03:50 AM
http://ispakebabs.com.au/store/image/cache/data/Drinks/Milks/Rush%20Low%20Fat-StrongIcedCoffee_500ml-500x500.jpg

:hearts:

njnetswill
Sep 17th, 2011, 04:22 AM
If you are a woman you should pay attention to what the estrogen in soy is capable of. I learned a little too late--now I only drink almond milk :)

All that scare-mongering about soy is ridiculous. Japanese women eat tons of soy and have the longest life expectancy in the world. There is rarely a soy-free meal in traditional Japanese cuisine.

Mateo Mathieu
Sep 17th, 2011, 04:50 AM
Drinking milk makes my stomach hurt.

Infiniti2001
Sep 17th, 2011, 05:18 AM
All that scare-mongering about soy is ridiculous. Japanese women eat tons of soy and have the longest life expectancy in the world. There is rarely a soy-free meal in traditional Japanese cuisine.

I'm not trying to scare anyone .. I Just know the relationship I had with soy and how it affected me and no one can tell me otherwise :shrug:

Ashi
Sep 17th, 2011, 07:00 AM
I only drink milk with tea. :shrug:

gentenaire
Sep 17th, 2011, 08:40 AM
I love milk. I don't drink coffee. I always start the day drinking a glass of ice cold milk.

Wert.
Sep 17th, 2011, 08:46 AM
http://bakalnica.rs/sw4i/thumbnail/moja-kravica-max-coko.jpg?thumbId=4775&fileSize=14847&lastModified=1305736788000&contentType=image/pjpeg

Milk with Belgian Chocolate is :drool:

Ordinary milk is good for your bones

*Nefertiti*
Sep 17th, 2011, 09:19 AM
Are you guys stupid? Don't you eat cheese, yogurt, icecream, etc? What are there made of?

It is not like we only drink milk, we eat it too :weirdo:

Andy.
Sep 17th, 2011, 09:36 AM
Love Love Love milk. Its a great source of calcium and its super nice when you drink it really chilled. I have a glass every morning with my toast.

Wert.
Sep 17th, 2011, 09:38 AM
Are you guys stupid? Don't you eat cheese, yogurt, icecream, etc? What are there made of?

It is not like we only drink milk, we eat it too :weirdo:

You think you say something very clever.You didnt,cause everyone knows that :hysteric:

King Halep
Sep 17th, 2011, 10:43 AM
I would guess its not that good but at least its natural and much better than drinking that soy milk which noone really knows what the long term effects are.

King Halep
Sep 17th, 2011, 10:45 AM
All that scare-mongering about soy is ridiculous. Japanese women eat tons of soy and have the longest life expectancy in the world. There is rarely a soy-free meal in traditional Japanese cuisine.

I dont think you really know what you are saying. Soy is not that good for people and its definitely not a wonder food that you can eat as a major source of protein. I will tell you one thing for sure, Asian people dont drink soy milk every day. Dont believe all the marketing.

VeeJJ
Sep 17th, 2011, 10:56 AM
I ABSOLUTELY LOVE WHOLE MILK!!!!

That being said whole milk isn't the best for you.

1% or 2% is suppose to be much better for you but milk is still healthy.

Kworb
Sep 17th, 2011, 10:59 AM
Milk itself is so gross. But I do consume a lot of dairy products.

*Nefertiti*
Sep 17th, 2011, 11:10 AM
You think you say something very clever.You didnt,cause everyone knows that :hysteric:

I didn't post that to the original poster. I posted it to people who were talking about how dangerous milk is, when they eat milk products all the time.

Beat
Sep 17th, 2011, 11:17 AM
All of those who claim milk's bad have no idea.
Sometimes guys, it's good to think what you post :yeah:

this. some of the comments ... :cuckoo:

if you ever have children and you withhold all milk products to them, you certainly do something wrong (speaking as a european; i know it's different for asian people, because they lack an enzyme to split lactose and make it digestable).

tennislover
Sep 17th, 2011, 11:30 AM
thanks for the posts, guys!

Mistress of Evil
Sep 17th, 2011, 01:28 PM
I have recently read somewhere that its very useful till a person becomes 12 after that its vitamins/materials start to "heap up" in the body which is not good or sth like that. :shrug:
Personally, I dislike milk. Only consume it with cereal or in the form of yogurt.

GoofyDuck
Sep 17th, 2011, 01:56 PM
I only drink milk with tea. :shrug:

:hi5:

I only use milk with my cornflakes and tea :inlove:

FORZA SARITA
Sep 17th, 2011, 03:33 PM
i used to drink a lot of milk till 13 :p
now i just drink it sometimes with coffee :p

Wert.
Sep 17th, 2011, 04:03 PM
tea with milk? :cuckoo:

How is it?

Djezonfly
Sep 17th, 2011, 04:06 PM
Love me some milk

http://data.whicdn.com/images/14092753/milk_large.jpg

:lick:

watchdogfish
Sep 17th, 2011, 06:30 PM
Bad for me personally as I'm lactose-intolerant :p

Ciarán
Sep 17th, 2011, 07:13 PM
It makes me sick and gives me headaches. It also wreaks havoc with my eczema :( I drink it with tea though, multiple times a day :p

ico4498
Sep 17th, 2011, 07:18 PM
life is bad for you ...

Mary Cherry.
Sep 17th, 2011, 07:32 PM
Sorry, this is not for idiots.

Oh noes, a grammatical error. I better go to the supermarket, buy all the bog standard milk they have on offer and drink it until it kills me because I can't live with the shame.


Bore off.

fifty-fifty
Sep 17th, 2011, 07:49 PM
Oh noes, a grammatical error. I better go to the supermarket, buy all the bog standard milk they have on offer and drink it until it kills me because I can't live with the shame.


Bore off.


1. The thread asked if milk is good or bad for you, NOT if it's lethal.
2. As for the error you made, there is likely a connection between your knowledge grammar and your ignorance.
3. Is providing knowledge really so bad?

duhcity
Sep 17th, 2011, 08:13 PM
I put nonfat in my starbucks.

Lennval
Sep 17th, 2011, 08:26 PM
1. The thread asked if milk is good or bad for you, NOT if it's lethal.
2. As for the error you made, there is likely a connection between your knowledge grammar and your ignorance.
3. Is providing knowledge really so bad?

Oh man, the info you provided was not knowledge at all :help:

Mary Cherry.
Sep 17th, 2011, 08:55 PM
1. The thread asked if milk is good or bad for you, NOT if it's lethal.
2. As for the error you made, there is likely a connection between your knowledge grammar and your ignorance.
3. Is providing knowledge really so bad?

Wouldn't call it knowledge, you just copied and pasted some article or report that follows 57329857298 others with scare tactics about how buying ordinary food or drink from the supermarket is bad for you and will give you cancer or will kill you.

And as for #2, it's a dialect thing. I type it the way I would say it considering I'm not expecting to be graded for it. Besides, it looks like you made a mistake of your own there. Does that make you ignorant too?

Dominic
Sep 17th, 2011, 09:08 PM
Mary Cherry, very off topic but Vika looks AMAZING in your avatar. :hearts:

fifty-fifty
Sep 17th, 2011, 09:29 PM
Wouldn't call it knowledge, you just copied and pasted some article or report that follows 57329857298 others with scare tactics about how buying ordinary food or drink from the supermarket is bad for you and will give you cancer or will kill you.



if you want to see real scare tactics go here

http://www.notmilk.com/

I posted the article for people who want to learn about the subject. What you do about is your choice.

Mary Cherry.
Sep 17th, 2011, 09:34 PM
Preaching about milk. I've seen it all now.

Melly Flew Us
Sep 18th, 2011, 12:25 AM
All of those who claim milk's bad have no idea.
Sometimes guys, it's good to think what you post :yeah:
ok. you like milk.

but it increases mucous in the nose and the digestive tract - i promise you, if you give up dairy for a few weeks you'll notice the difference.

and oh yeah non-human milk is hard to digest for everybody not just those who are lactose intolerant. that is why some new mums choose to switch to formula milk very early because it keeps their kids quieter for longer than breast milk; and many people cut out milk when they have a cold so that they can get better faster.

Sammo
Sep 18th, 2011, 12:52 AM
Are you guys stupid? Don't you eat cheese, yogurt, icecream, etc? What are there made of?

It is not like we only drink milk, we eat it too :weirdo:

Rarely
Never
Ice-Cream is not something you can consider a part of a diet because you eat it like twice a week in summer.

bulava
Sep 18th, 2011, 11:53 AM
This question is not specific. Mostly, it is good for various reasons.

It's bad ewwwwwwww.. Animals drink their mom's milk as infants and never touch the shit again--I don't understand why humans have to drink it all during their lives:shrug:
Perhaps you were drunk while writing that crap? :eek:

Dominic
Sep 18th, 2011, 02:39 PM
and oh yeah non-human milk is hard to digest for everybody not just those who are lactose intolerant.

I drinl LOADS of milk and eat alot of cheese and don't have any digestion problems whatsoever

Ferg
Sep 18th, 2011, 03:31 PM
I usually have 2 or 3 glasses of it with my dinner every day, and usually drink about a litre of it after I've been out so I hope its good for me :lol:

Sean.
Sep 18th, 2011, 03:59 PM
I drinl LOADS of milk and eat alot of cheese and don't have any digestion problems whatsoever

Not that you know of anyway.

ImaVeggie
Sep 18th, 2011, 05:25 PM
If I drank a glass of milk, I think I'd puke. The notion of drinking a glass of cow breast milk is so weird to me.

Milk is perfectly designed to make a calf gain a lot of weight fast.

Beat
Sep 18th, 2011, 05:30 PM
that is why some new mums choose to switch to formula milk very early because it keeps their kids quieter for longer than breast milk

yeah, formula milk so much healthier for a baby than breast milk. i mean, fuck nature, when nestlé can do much better.

Lennval
Sep 18th, 2011, 07:00 PM
ok. you like milk.

but it increases mucous in the nose and the digestive tract - i promise you, if you give up dairy for a few weeks you'll notice the difference.

and oh yeah non-human milk is hard to digest for everybody not just those who are lactose intolerant. that is why some new mums choose to switch to formula milk very early because it keeps their kids quieter for longer than breast milk; and many people cut out milk when they have a cold so that they can get better faster.

I can see your point but I'm pretty sure you can understand my post's just to claim that people should get clear information and non pretentious one. Overall, milk's an excellent foodstuff. Not only calcium contribution but many more benefits from milk are widely known and demonstrated. I'm fortunate to have received medical, food and nutrition knowledge over past 10 years so that I can have a huge opinion by talking about foodstuffs and nutrition and medical guidelines.

Of course milk's not only recommended but avoided by certain groups such as lactose intolerat people and others. Nobody fights that. It's so obvious. What we're really claiming is that people should avoid reading pretentious webs plus having a critical point to discern between what fake information might is and what is not. This is very very important in my opinion since we all guys and girls may be parents tomorrow and oh, we don't wanna make stupid decisions at all, right?

If you like milk, of course drink it. It's not only a basic foodstuff but also it has more benefits you can imagine. You might don't believe me -you should though bc I know what I'm talking about- but anyway if so, visit your doctor or nutritionist and he/she will feel glad to solve your doubts. They are sooo accostumed to hear stupidities every single day so don't worry they'll be polite :D

By the way Melly FU, I totally agree with you about the milk & cold thing, I already knew that ;)

Vartan
Sep 18th, 2011, 07:07 PM
Greek Yogurt <3

serenaforever
Sep 18th, 2011, 07:21 PM
This article breaks it down very well

:facepalm: Where did you find this gem? :facepalm:

fifty-fifty
Sep 18th, 2011, 09:15 PM
:facepalm: Where did you find this gem? :facepalm:


I posted a link with the article.;)

GoofyDuck
Sep 18th, 2011, 10:05 PM
I think it is time to make a thread about another product

Sammo
Sep 18th, 2011, 10:16 PM
Oh fuck I just saw on the Internet that milk has both blood and pus. Fuck it.


Well that's a bit dramatic but it has both dead white and red globules.

Steadyniacki
Sep 18th, 2011, 10:40 PM
Would commit suicide in a world without milk.

bulava
Sep 19th, 2011, 01:54 PM
Infiniti2001 left this smart comment, complementing with a RED reputation mark:

GTFOOH!! Of course you will know what drunk is considering you are a bloody alcoholic


Thank you very much, but I care less. It's widely known fact that only losers base their talk on assumptions or stoop down to low levels with foul mouths. You go get some Education! :wavey:

McPie
Sep 20th, 2011, 03:57 AM
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King Halep
Sep 20th, 2011, 04:14 AM
Oh fuck I just saw on the Internet that milk has both blood and pus. Fuck it.


Well that's a bit dramatic but it has both dead white and red globules.

dont eat anything that comes from animals, none of it is totally clean

serenaforever
Sep 20th, 2011, 05:01 AM
I posted a link with the article.;)

I've never seen more facts in one place. :facepalm: <----sarcasm

serenaforever
Sep 20th, 2011, 05:02 AM
I posted a link with the article.;)

I've never seen more facts in one place. :facepalm: <----sarcasm

Beat
Sep 20th, 2011, 09:02 AM
dont eat anything that comes from animals, none of it is totally clean

what do you mean by "clean"? do you think anything that comes from the ground and from the trees is "totally clean"?

this thread is slowly turning into one of those hilarious TF threads where you can only gasp at the level of stupidity and lack of culture.

oh, and mcpie, i LOVE that song! :hearts:

Rocketta
Sep 20th, 2011, 09:45 AM
yeah, formula milk so much healthier for a baby than breast milk. i mean, fuck nature, when nestlé can do much better.

Let's just forget the pain or the difficulty getting a baby to latch on and just talk about the fact that babies digest breast milk very fast and are hungry again quickly... which is why some mom's choose formula... takes longer for the baby to digest, ie a longer time before you have to feed them again. Sure breast milk is healthier but the difference between breast milk and formula is not that great compared to having to whip your tit out every 2 hours for months. :help:

Beat
Sep 20th, 2011, 10:01 AM

i don't have a problem with women/parents chosing formula milk, it's their own descision. but that poster was implying that it was healthier than breast milk, which is bullshit obviously.
and not every baby is craving for milk "every 2 hours for months".

bulava
Sep 20th, 2011, 01:25 PM
^

As a Pharmaceutical and Healthcare product manufacturer, I completely agree. Well, here's Nestle's view:
http://www.babymilk.nestle.com/Pages/faq.aspx

"Nestlé supports breastfeeding and believes that breast milk is the best start a baby can have in life. All our infant formula products carry out the following message, "Important notice: Breast milk is best for babies. Before you decide to use an infant formula consult your doctor or clinic for advice".

McPie
Sep 20th, 2011, 01:36 PM
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Super Dave
Sep 20th, 2011, 02:42 PM
Chocolate or strawberry milk is okay (Qwik or something), but I can't drink a glass of plain milk.

Sammo
Sep 20th, 2011, 03:03 PM
^

As a Pharmaceutical and Healthcare product manufacturer, I completely agree. Well, here's Nestle's view:
http://www.babymilk.nestle.com/Pages/faq.aspx

"Nestlé supports breastfeeding and believes that breast milk is the best start a baby can have in life. All our infant formula products carry out the following message, "Important notice: Breast milk is best for babies. Before you decide to use an infant formula consult your doctor or clinic for advice".

Breastfeeding is a million times better than infant formulas. I thought everyone knew that now :shrug:

jrollaneres25
Sep 20th, 2011, 05:43 PM
This article breaks it down very well

Wow:worship:

Melly Flew Us
Sep 20th, 2011, 11:28 PM

i don't have a problem with women/parents chosing formula milk, it's their own descision. but that poster was implying that it was healthier than breast milk, which is bullshit obviously.
and not every baby is craving for milk "every 2 hours for months".
oh.

i thought that you were being sarcastic; it didn't occur to me that you were being as dense as some of the fools on this forum because i've seen no evidence of it in your posts in the last few years.

let me make it clear for you:
1.breast is best - as i said in my reason for editing the other post.

2. the point i was making is that non-human milk is hard for everybody to digest not just the lactose intolerant.

3. that is why i mentioned new mums switching to formula AND that some people cut out milk when they have a cold.

4. may i suggest you take a moment to read this post before replying again.

yeah, formula milk so much healthier for a baby than breast milk. i mean, fuck nature, when nestlé can do much better.

ok. you like milk.

but it increases mucous in the nose and the digestive tract - i promise you, if you give up dairy for a few weeks you'll notice the difference.

and oh yeah non-human milk is hard to digest for everybody not just those who are lactose intolerant. that is why some new mums choose to switch to formula milk very early because it keeps their kids quieter for longer than breast milk; and many people cut out milk when they have a cold so that they can get better faster.

Melly Flew Us
Sep 20th, 2011, 11:32 PM
^

As a Pharmaceutical and Healthcare product manufacturer, I completely agree. Well, here's Nestle's view:
http://www.babymilk.nestle.com/Pages/faq.aspx

"Nestlé supports breastfeeding and believes that breast milk is the best start a baby can have in life. All our infant formula products carry out the following message, "Important notice: Breast milk is best for babies. Before you decide to use an infant formula consult your doctor or clinic for advice".

same for you.

let me make it clear for you:
1.breast is best - as i said in my reason for editing the other post.

2. the point i was making is that non-human milk is hard for everybody to digest not just the lactose intolerant.

3. that is why i mentioned new mums switching to formula AND that some people cut out milk when they have a cold.

4. may i suggest you take a moment to read this post before replying again.

yeah, formula milk so much healthier for a baby than breast milk. i mean, fuck nature, when nestlé can do much better.

ok. you like milk.

but it increases mucous in the nose and the digestive tract - i promise you, if you give up dairy for a few weeks you'll notice the difference.

and oh yeah non-human milk is hard to digest for everybody not just those who are lactose intolerant. that is why some new mums choose to switch to formula milk very early because it keeps their kids quieter for longer than breast milk; and many people cut out milk when they have a cold so that they can get better faster.

Rocketta
Sep 21st, 2011, 07:42 AM

i don't have a problem with women/parents chosing formula milk, it's their own descision. but that poster was implying that it was healthier than breast milk, which is bullshit obviously.
and not every baby is craving for milk "every 2 hours for months".

for the first two months feedings average between 1 1/2 and 3 hours between feedings and that's from when a feeding starts....and sometimes feedings are 30-45 minutes and then in the beginning you have to sometimes pump in between feeding if the baby didn't nurse on both breasts. That is not a viable option for everyone especially when the baby does not latch on properly. A lot of times the doctor puts babies on formula because they are not getting enough milk when breastfeeding and the only way to know that is through the weight of your baby. So yes breast milk is more healthy unless you are starving your child because you're not producing enough milk or they don't have a strong enough suck... then if you continue to breast feed them you are starving them..

Anyway, I'll go with my pediatrician and she says/said there is not that much of a difference between formula and breast milk to justify not using formula when you can't whip out your tit every 2 hours.

Beat
Sep 21st, 2011, 08:10 AM
et me make it clear for you:

okay, point taken. and yes, i have misinterpreted your post. my apologies.

rocketta, you don't have to lecture me, i have a child myself, i know how it works. and i can only repeat: it's not always like that. anyway: if the baby does not latch on properly, of course anyone would switch to formula milk. but if the feeding part is no problem, how do parents decide upon formula milk when they haven't even tried out breast feeding? nobody ever said having a baby was easy, quiet and simple. and sometimes these young mothers/fathers give me the impression that having a baby is part of their masterplan for life, so they have to have one, just like the latest gucci bag, but they don't want any trouble.

i'd also like to add that this is of course also a socio-political question, because it depends upon how long the maternity leave (sp?) lasts. here in switzerland the law stipulates a minimum of 16 weeks. but i'm sure there are countries with less, then breastfeeding doesn't make much sense; as soon as mother and baby have found a rhythm, the mother has to go to work again ...

am i in the middle of an ideological discussion about MILK or am i dreaming?? :lol:

Rocketta
Sep 21st, 2011, 08:49 AM
okay, point taken. and yes, i have misinterpreted your post. my apologies.

rocketta, you don't have to lecture me, i have a child myself, i know how it works. and i can only repeat: it's not always like that. anyway: if the baby does not latch on properly, of course anyone would switch to formula milk. but if the feeding part is no problem, how do parents decide upon formula milk when they haven't even tried out breast feeding? nobody ever said having a baby was easy, quiet and simple. and sometimes these young mothers/fathers give me the impression that having a baby is part of their masterplan for life, so they have to have one, just like the latest gucci bag, but they don't want any trouble.

i'd also like to add that this is of course also a socio-political question, because it depends upon how long the maternity leave (sp?) lasts. here in switzerland the law stipulates a minimum of 16 weeks. but i'm sure there are countries with less, then breastfeeding doesn't make much sense; as soon as mother and baby have found a rhythm, the mother has to go to work again ...

am i in the middle of an ideological discussion about MILK or am i dreaming?? :lol:

Sorry, your post came across to me as breastfeeding is easy and everyone can do it. Just pointing out that sometimes its an extremely difficult process. You are right if you don't have the time off of work it's virtually impossible to do. I think it depends on where you work in the US or how long you can go without pay but maternity leave is usually between 6 to 8 weeks or if you have a good employer then 12 weeks.

There are so many different factors in whether you can breastfeed or not. Breast feeding is the best possible solution if all goes right and everything lines up... but unfortunately it doesn't work like that and the health benefits of breastfeeding is not a 'million times better' as someone put than formula.

I also need to point out that not only breastfed babies have trouble thriving(gaining weight), my own daughter had this problem on formula but that's because she wanted to eat a little, many times a day and couldn't gain weight fast enough... so I would have to let her cry, cry, cry until she was very hungry so she would eat more and gain more weight and not burn it all off.

Oh I forgot to answer your question as to why some mother's would chose formula over breastfeeding when there are no feeding problems.... I personally think breastfeeding is a lot more work than formula. There is a lot of stress associated with breastfeeding, ie getting it right, making sure your milk doesn't dry up, eating the right food to stimulate milk production, eating something that makes it's way into the food. Also, we haven't talked about the fact that a lot of medication makes it's way into breast milk. Sometimes you have to make the decision between breastfeeding and taking your bi-polar medicine... I think the baby would prefer a less crazy mother as opposed to being breastfed. Some women don't want to give up alcohol, selfish yes but they don't. Some can't handle the fact that while they are breastfeeding they really can't be too far from their babies and worry about needing a break. Like I said, the stress of it all is what shocked me.

There are so many factors in this modern day and age. I know when I was discussing this with my doctor, they ask you questions to make sure you're not experiencing post partum and I remember telling her trying to nurse was stressful (and painful after a c-section) and she told me, "Try to breastfeed but if it doesn't work don't let it stress you out and just continue to give formula....". There are so many things you can only know until you experience it... :eek:

Anyway, back to cow's milk.... If you like it... drink it. If you don't then don't.... :shrug:

I drink it occasionally but I only drink organic because I don't trust what they are giving cows these days.... I just wish my daughter drank cow's milk... that soy crap is expensive. :(

Beat
Sep 21st, 2011, 10:54 AM
Sorry, your post came across to me as breastfeeding is easy and everyone can do it. Just pointing out that sometimes its an extremely difficult process.

then i haven't chosen my words very well, because that's definitely not what i wanted. i'm fully aware that it can be difficult and frustrating - and also painful!

i also didn't want to sound like one of those holier-than-thou-only-a-baby-that-gets-breatfed-for-24-months-is-a-healthy-baby-preachers. i hope i didn't sound like that, i hate that shit.

i just wanted to speak about my impression that more and more parents choose a caesarean section and formula milk not out of necessity, but out of convenience. the paris hilton approach, if you will.

I think it depends on where you work in the US or how long you can go without pay but maternity leave is usually between 6 to 8 weeks or if you have a good employer then 12 weeks.

6 to 8 weeks is way too short IMO. i remember that this was about the time we three needed to get to know each other and each other's rhythms etc.

bulava
Sep 21st, 2011, 11:23 AM
same for you.

let me make it clear for you:
1.breast is best - as i said in my reason for editing the other post.
2. the point i was making is that non-human milk is hard for everybody to digest not just the lactose intolerant.

3. that is why i mentioned new mums switching to formula AND that some people cut out milk when they have a cold.

4. may i suggest you take a moment to read this post before replying again.
I understand what you were trying to say, but I was responding to Beat.

Never mind. Now, I would suggest you to take a note of my first post on this thread :)
This question is not specific. Mostly, it is good for various reasons.
So, I didn't drag sensitive Breast milk perspective into this abstract deliberation. Had this thread was into specifics then I would've dived deep with pros/cons on Milk consumption in various sexes as well as in age groups. Hope I'm understood. Having said that, it made be sad after reading a few insensitive comments against very basic and vital to the human life.

Bottom Line: By looking at majority (people), drinking Milk brings good results so it's *good* for humans :wavey:

Steadyniacki
Sep 21st, 2011, 11:47 AM
How can have anyone have respect for Nestle, after their dumping scandals in Africa. Just pathetic :o

bulava
Sep 21st, 2011, 11:57 AM
There are so many different factors in whether you can breastfeed or not. Breast feeding is the best possible solution if all goes right and everything lines up... but unfortunately it doesn't work like that and the health benefits of breastfeeding is not a 'million times better' as someone put than formula.
I agree with your first sentence because I saw a lot of cases touching this subject from Inside Out (section of my manufacturing focused in Pediatric Drugs and Syrups). But none have tried to emphasize on this most important fact:

Initial Breast feeding helps in boosting the Immune System in an Infant

Immune System won't be fully developed until 2 years so that's the reason why Doctors recommend on Breastfeeding. It all starts from the initial days, (Colostrum), which is home to natural antibodies which fight against diseases in that infant age. No point in going further into details, but no one can deny this single fact :)


....why some mother's would chose formula over breastfeeding when there are no feeding problems....

Again I agree that there are some valid reasons why they chose Formula milk. But, one of the most obnoxious reasons I ever saw in my hospital is some Mothers often citing their figure as an excuse to deny the infants their basic right. This is not forgivable, IMO :)

Rocketta
Sep 21st, 2011, 06:20 PM
Again I agree that there are some valid reasons why they chose Formula milk. But, one of the most obnoxious reasons I ever saw in my hospital is some Mothers often citing their figure as an excuse to deny the infants their basic right. This is not forgivable, IMO :)

well that would be the craziest of them all considering breastfeeding burns a lot of calories and women are able to get back to pre-baby weight more quickly if they breastfeed. :confused: Also, gravity is going to take hold no matter what they do. :lol:

Rocketta
Sep 21st, 2011, 06:30 PM
then i haven't chosen my words very well, because that's definitely not what i wanted. i'm fully aware that it can be difficult and frustrating - and also painful!

i also didn't want to sound like one of those holier-than-thou-only-a-baby-that-gets-breatfed-for-24-months-is-a-healthy-baby-preachers. i hope i didn't sound like that, i hate that shit.

no I don't think you sounded holier than thou.. :lol: Actually, I just assumed you were the standard profile of the average user of this site, ie teenage boy but I only based that on your wrong assumption of what Melly said.


i just wanted to speak about my impression that more and more parents choose a caesarean section and formula milk not out of necessity, but out of convenience. the paris hilton approach, if you will.Yeah that is not a good look. I certainly wouldn't have had a c-section if it wasn't necessary, that shit was super duper painful. :facepalm:



6 to 8 weeks is way too short IMO. i remember that this was about the time we three needed to get to know each other and each other's rhythms etc.yeah it's not enough time especially if you had surgery. I mean you need 6 weeks to not be exhausted every waking moment of the day. I hate that in the hospital no one told me to sleep and leave the baby in the nursery because once you get home you won't get a chance too but I was trying to nurse. Also no one tells you that it's going to be harder to nurse if your baby is born pre-mature because your milk may not be in yet.... Thank goodness I have no plans to do that again... :lol: :o :help:

McPie
Sep 22nd, 2011, 03:51 AM
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