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Purple_Rain
Aug 25th, 2011, 09:54 PM
I'm only listing players with a shot at winning the title.

Petkovic: Zheng R2, Vinci/Begu R3, Li R4, Wozniacki/Hantuchova/Kuznetsova QF, Serena SF
Azarenka: Dulko R2, Serena R3, Ivanovic R4, Jankovic/Schiavone QF
Serena: Jovanovski R1, Azarenka R3, Ivanovic R4, Jankovic/Schiavone QF
Ivanovic: Pervak R1, Cetkovska R2, Peer R3, Serena R4, Jankovic/Schiavone QF
Kvitova: Dulgheru R1, Niculescu R2, Safarova R3, Radwanska R4, Sharapova QF
Bartoli: McHale R2, Kirilenko/Makarova R3, Stosur/Petrova R4, Venus/Lisicki/Zvonareva QF, Sharapova SF
Lisicki: Venus R2, Cibulkova R3, Zvonareva R4, Bartoli QF, Sharapova SF
Zvonareva: K. Bondarenko/Hradecka R2, Medina Garrigues/Morita R3, Lisicki/Venus R4, Bartoli QF, Sharapova SF

Main draw: http://www.usopen.org/en_US/scores/draws/pdf.html#

darrinbaker00
Aug 25th, 2011, 09:55 PM
Who has the toughest US Open draw? In my opinion, it's a 128-way tie. ;)

cowsonice
Aug 25th, 2011, 09:58 PM
BoJo :crying2:

adner
Aug 25th, 2011, 09:58 PM
I'm only listing players with a shot at winning the title.

Petkovic: Zheng R2, Vinci/Begu R3, Li R4, Wozniacki/Hantuchova/Kuznetsova QF, Serena SF
Ivanovic: Pervak R1, Cetkovska R2, Peer R3, Serena R4, Jankovic/Schiavone QF
Lisicki: Venus R2, Cibulkova R3, Zvonareva R4, Bartoli QF, Sharapova SF

Main draw: http://www.usopen.org/en_US/scores/draws/pdf.html#

Oookaay... :help: And you skipped Venus and Maria :lol:

sam.jones
Aug 25th, 2011, 09:59 PM
lisicki for sure, she has the most dangerous unseeded player in round 2

kiriosh.
Aug 25th, 2011, 10:01 PM
Lisicki by far. Venus, Vera, Maria...

Simugna Help
Aug 25th, 2011, 10:02 PM
Oookaay... :help: And you skipped Venus and Maria :lol:

Other than possibility of playing Kvitova, Sharapova has a cupcake draw. I am hoping for a surprise Voskoboeva style loss.

cowsonice
Aug 25th, 2011, 10:02 PM
Lisicki is seeded...#22

Purple_Rain
Aug 25th, 2011, 10:03 PM
Oookaay... :help: And you skipped Venus and Maria :lol:

Venus's draw is fairly easy after Lisicki (9-2 H2H against Bepa, Domi is injured). Maria's draw is a cakewalk -- she six walking byes in her section, and won't face a tough opponent until Kvitty/Aga in the QF.

adner
Aug 25th, 2011, 10:03 PM
Other than possibility of playing Kvitova, Sharapova has a cupcake draw. I am hoping for a surprise Voskoboeva style loss.

Well actually I was referring to the "shot at winning a title" thingy and I think Venus is more of a contender than Lisicki. Not to mention the greats like Petkovic or Ivanovic :tape:


Venus's draw is fairly easy after Lisicki (9-2 H2H against Bepa, Domi is injured). Maria's draw is a cakewalk -- she six walking byes in her section, and won't face a tough opponent until Kvitty/Aga in the QF.
Or maybe I should have used a font size 7 to make it clear? XD

Purple_Rain
Aug 25th, 2011, 10:07 PM
Well actually I was referring to the "shot at winning a title" thingy and I think Venus is more of a contender than Lisicki. Not to mention the greats like Petkovic or Ivanovic :tape:

Lisicki will be favored in their match, though, assuming she wins Dallas or plays okay in the final. Anyway, Venus fans can't complain about their draw because THERE'S NO PIRONKOVA! Not until the semis, anyway. ;)

sam.jones
Aug 25th, 2011, 10:17 PM
Oookaay... :help: And you skipped Venus and Maria :lol:

lisickis and petkos chances are as high as bartolis or kvitovas, I don't see your point. besides serena there is no real other contender, maybe masha:confused:

shoryuken
Aug 25th, 2011, 10:20 PM
Venus's draw is fairly easy after Lisicki (9-2 H2H against Bepa, Domi is injured).

It's 7-1 Those 3 HK matches don't count.

Purple_Rain
Aug 25th, 2011, 10:25 PM
It's 7-1 Those 3 HK matches don't count.

Then why are they listed?

http://tennis.matchstat.com/index.php?ControllerName=Compare&Name_Player1=Vera+Zvonareva&Id_Player1=-431&SHOW=S+H+O+W&Name_Player2=Venus+Williams&Id_Player2=-151

Is there a better site for searching H2H?

atominside
Aug 25th, 2011, 10:28 PM
Then why are they listed?

http://tennis.matchstat.com/index.php?ControllerName=Compare&Name_Player1=Vera+Zvonareva&Id_Player1=-431&SHOW=S+H+O+W&Name_Player2=Venus+Williams&Id_Player2=-151

Is there a better site for searching H2H?

ever heard of the wta website?:confused:

Jose.
Aug 25th, 2011, 10:28 PM
Azarenka. :hug:

Besides Serena and everyone she probably will face Gisela "the GS giant killer" Dulko on R2.

VishaalMaria
Aug 25th, 2011, 10:28 PM
Then why are they listed?

http://tennis.matchstat.com/index.php?ControllerName=Compare&Name_Player1=Vera+Zvonareva&Id_Player1=-431&SHOW=S+H+O+W&Name_Player2=Venus+Williams&Id_Player2=-151

Is there a better site for searching H2H?

wtatour.com ?

I thought thats where you'd get all the offical head to heads?

new-york
Aug 25th, 2011, 10:29 PM
Then why are they listed?

http://tennis.matchstat.com/index.php?ControllerName=Compare&Name_Player1=Vera+Zvonareva&Id_Player1=-431&SHOW=S+H+O+W&Name_Player2=Venus+Williams&Id_Player2=-151

Is there a better site for searching H2H?

The official one.

tejmeglekvár
Aug 25th, 2011, 10:30 PM
:hysteric:
VIP as option? Why not Junkovic then? or Oudin? :facepalm:

LightWarrior
Aug 25th, 2011, 10:35 PM
Serena has a tough draw, she has to up with Azarenka, Ivanovic and Jankovic.

Linguae^
Aug 25th, 2011, 10:36 PM
Serena Williams, but she doesn't care.

Purple_Rain
Aug 25th, 2011, 10:36 PM
ever heard of the wta website?:confused:

Their H2H page is quite unfriendly. It won't let me search until I've clicked on a player's name after typing the first few letters (which usually takes 3-4 seconds).... Well, at least it's more accurate.

:hysteric:
VIP as option? Why not Junkovic then? or Oudin? :facepalm:

VIP has tough first- and second-round opponents. And she could meet Serena in R4. Jankovic's draw is painfully easy until Serena. Pavlyuchenkova, Schiavone, and MJMS are the three seeds in her section. Oudin isn't a contender, but yeah, she's got a tough one.

Bayo
Aug 25th, 2011, 10:37 PM
Well Vika is clearly the highest seed to get shafted.

danieln1
Aug 25th, 2011, 10:38 PM
Azarenka obviously: Serena, then Ivanovic. :happy:

Brena
Aug 25th, 2011, 10:41 PM
JJ. Her draw is full of professional tennis players and stuff! :o

tejmeglekvár
Aug 25th, 2011, 10:44 PM
I'm only listing players with a shot at
you made VIP as a poll option and wrote this...



VIP has tough first- and second-round opponents. And she could meet Serena in R4. Jankovic's draw is painfully easy until Serena. Pavlyuchenkova, Schiavone, and MJMS are the three seeds in her section. Oudin isn't a contender, but yeah, she's got a tough one.

and then trying to "explain it".
I shouldn't even care the rest... Petko or Lisicki same lame options, while Radwanska or Sharapova nowhere? :lol:

This poll is garbage. Reflects your opinion, your garbage.

Purple_Rain
Aug 25th, 2011, 10:49 PM
you made VIP as a poll option and wrote this...



and then trying to "explain it".
I shouldn't even care the rest... Petko or Lisicki same lame options, while Radwanska or Sharapova nowhere? :lol:

This poll is garbage. Reflects your opinion, your garbage.

You seriously think Sharapova has a tough draw? :weirdo:

I just scanned the draw and selected the top players I felt had tough draws. In retrospect, I should have included Venus, but there's no way to edit polls. Ana is a bit of a stretch, but she has all the weapons to contend for a title. Any player with a strong serve -- inconsistent ball toss or not -- and experience as a GS champ and world #1 has a chance to win a(nother) Slam.

I think some people are undervaluing the difficulty of second-round matches. At that point in the tournament, the eventual QF/SF/Finalists probably haven't found their best tennis yet. They're more vulnerable, especially against confident opponents like Zheng and Cetkovska.

Bayo
Aug 25th, 2011, 10:57 PM
I don't think Maria's draw is such a cakewalk either. Flavia has sucked this summer but she could hit her stride. And she's proven she can challenge Maria on this surface.

And for some reason I've penciled Safarova into the quarters. :tape:

Temperenka
Aug 25th, 2011, 11:00 PM
Victoria.

NYC must hate her... every year it's either a bad draw here or some freak accident.

I love New York, but damn.. no love for Vika.

Serena's seed should have been bumped up. Two of the top five contenders playing in Round 3 is crap.

Sombrerero loco
Aug 25th, 2011, 11:00 PM
radwanska =(

tejmeglekvár
Aug 25th, 2011, 11:06 PM
You seriously think Sharapova has a tough draw? :weirdo:

I just scanned the draw and selected the top players I felt had tough draws. In retrospect, I should have included Venus, but there's no way to edit polls. Ana is a bit of a stretch, but she has all the weapons to contend for a title. Any player with a strong serve -- inconsistent ball toss or not -- and experience as a GS champ and world #1 has a chance to win a(nother) Slam.

I think some people are undervaluing the difficulty of second-round matches. At that point in the tournament, the eventual QF/SF/Finalists probably haven't found their best tennis yet. They're more vulnerable, especially against confident opponents like Zheng and Cetkovska.

because Petko has a tough draw? ":wierdo:"
but that wasnt my point, you're not even close :lol:

There is no logic in the poll option... "I felt" wow, thank you that explain a lot.
Ivanovic is in because she is former GS champ? Then why no Kuznetsova? I dont think any draw is cakewalk for her nowadays.
this is just a mess.

Purple_Rain
Aug 25th, 2011, 11:13 PM
because Petko has a tough draw? ":wierdo:"
but that wasnt my point, you're not even close :lol:

There is no logic in the poll option... "I felt" wow, thank you that explain a lot.
Ivanovic is in because she is former GS champ? Then why no Kuznetsova? I dont think any draw is cakewalk for her nowadays.
this is just a mess.

Petko plays Zheng in Round 2. Did you see Zheng's match against Serena? Playing her is like playing a #15 seed. Li in R4 is quite difficult as well. And if Wozniacki makes it to the QF, I imagine the Dane will be much more confident and aggressive against Andrea. Plus, she's the better pusher of the two. Then there's Serena -- being in her half alone makes your task difficult.

What logic do you want? I wasn't going to calculate draw difficulty using some complex formula. That would probably produce an even greater abomination. :lol:

Kuznetsova's game has been awful this summer. At least Ana showed some promise in the USO series. Plus, Sveta's draw isn't that tough, even for her.

tejmeglekvár
Aug 25th, 2011, 11:21 PM
^^ so Zheng has one notable match in the past 6 months she already a tough draw. Na and Woz cant find court with GPS but though draw. VIP losing left and right, but shows promising form...
I just cant.

Purple_Rain
Aug 25th, 2011, 11:30 PM
^^ so Zheng has one notable match in the past 6 months she already a tough draw. Na and Woz cant find court with GPS but though draw. VIP losing left and right, but shows promising form...
I just cant.

One notable match and many other solid matches that flew under the radar. She had to play qualies several times and fought through them. She's had a lot of match practice but she's not fatigued. She may not be consistent throughout the year, but she's a threat right now.

Perhaps I should have just listed the top eight seeds, Serena, and "other." Being subjective obviously doesn't get you far around here. :rolleyes:

kman
Aug 26th, 2011, 12:09 AM
Then why are they listed?

http://tennis.matchstat.com/index.php?ControllerName=Compare&Name_Player1=Vera+Zvonareva&Id_Player1=-431&SHOW=S+H+O+W&Name_Player2=Venus+Williams&Id_Player2=-151

Is there a better site for searching H2H?

wtatour.com

justineheninfan
Aug 26th, 2011, 12:26 AM
Venus has the toughest draw.

VishaalMaria
Aug 26th, 2011, 01:07 AM
Venus has the toughest draw.

How does she have the toughest draw?

Jajaloo
Aug 26th, 2011, 02:24 AM
Ivanovic, obviously.

justineheninfan
Aug 26th, 2011, 02:25 AM
How does she have the toughest draw?

She plays someone who can beat her in virtually every round (or hypothetical round).

justineheninfan
Aug 26th, 2011, 02:28 AM
Victoria.

NYC must hate her... every year it's either a bad draw here or some freak accident.

I love New York, but damn.. no love for Vika.

Serena's seed should have been bumped up. Two of the top five contenders playing in Round 3 is crap.

Azarenka is toast. After watching their match in Canada, no way Azarenka is beating Serena in a slam right now.

SymphonyX
Aug 26th, 2011, 02:35 AM
Oookaay... :help: And you skipped Venus and Maria :lol:

He even skipped Serena! OMFG.

On another note, the top half of the draw is a bloody minefield. At least Serena is getting Woz-woz... that is if pushmaster can even get that far.

AnomyBC
Aug 26th, 2011, 02:38 AM
Azarenka and Lisicki both have nightmare draws :eek:

AnomyBC
Aug 26th, 2011, 02:39 AM
He even skipped Serena! OMFG.

No he didn't. She's one of the options :)

SymphonyX
Aug 26th, 2011, 02:46 AM
Oookaay... :help: And you skipped Venus and Maria :lol:

No he didn't. She's one of the options :)

Oh. Didn't notice it. I was used to seeing "S. Williams" and "[1]" to "[9]" beside it.

skanky~skanketta
Aug 26th, 2011, 03:26 AM
Azarenka. I see a third round exit IF she gets past Gisela!

Patrick345
Aug 26th, 2011, 03:28 AM
What? Vika has Dulko in round two. All the drama about Serena in R3 for nothing. :hysteric::hysteric:

AcesHigh
Aug 26th, 2011, 03:37 AM
Azarenka fans always complaining about her draw as if that's the reason she can't win

And are Ivanovic and Lisicki supposed to be contenders?

Sund7101
Aug 26th, 2011, 03:42 AM
Wish I could have seen Victoria's face when the draw came out. :lol:

Tennis Observer
Aug 26th, 2011, 07:54 AM
IMO an easy to answer question:

As [28]Venus Williams will "face top players early in the women’s draw and prevent better players from getting to the later rounds — where they should be competing": [4]Victoria Azarenka.

Source (http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2011/08/25/liguori-us-open-seeding-controversy-for-the-williams-sisters/)

longtin23
Aug 26th, 2011, 08:01 AM
So lucky that NaNa didn't get the toughest draw. Maybe Lisicki, but she is #22 only, cann't blame anyone because of her lower ranking...

InsideOut.
Aug 26th, 2011, 09:37 AM
Whoever your fave is.

Seriously, Azarenka, Lisicki, Ivanovic, in that order, among those that you listed.

Beat
Aug 26th, 2011, 10:06 AM
I'm only listing players with a shot at winning the title.

haha, good one.
you really don't come across as being very bright.

anyway, since serena williams is the favourite, the answer is obviously azarenka. she will not reach round 4.

Yoncé
Aug 26th, 2011, 10:18 AM
Serena's draw is so easy! Vika in R3 will be her toughest...Ana probably wont make R4 and I don't get all the fuss over BoJo...she is nearly 20 and doesn't look like she is really promising to be anything out of the ordinary.

LUVMIRZA
Aug 26th, 2011, 01:02 PM
What? Vika has Dulko in round two. All the drama about Serena in R3 for nothing. :hysteric::hysteric:

:spit::sobbing:

Blackycat
Aug 26th, 2011, 01:10 PM
Sabine and Vika had the toughest draw=。=

CWTennis
Aug 26th, 2011, 03:44 PM
Vika :sad::hug:

Vikapower
Aug 26th, 2011, 05:47 PM
Maria has the most difficult draw of the up-coming tournament - (unless Petra for the 1/4) her opponents are very unpredictable they can come on court and fire all cylinders and definitively trash her brilliance in the most inglorious manner for her, she is THE player to beat.

If Radwanska finds her 2007 form which apparently she has found during the US Open series Maria would go down to her in no doubts and it would take an insurmountable effort from Maria's greatness book to get passed such an incredible talent as the Polish who is known to have some Swiss ATP descent in her blood... how in the world does Maria stop a player like Radwanska at her absolute best on Pro Decoturf she wasn't even abled the first time ?

Flavia Pennetta is 30, perhaps but she's the worst person a top player wants to face from that age group - she really has game, plenty of game so much game that it didn't allow her to shine between the elites so much her talent was prominent - the slightest she finds the sparkle that made her one of the most talented players of the WTA in the mix of Serena, Venus, Clijsters etc... Maria is in trouble, deep trouble (...) and Maria isn't as talented as Caro to hit the italian prodigy off the court in a maestrian ~35 winners and ~7 UEs like in Doha.

And Wickmayer ? People underestimate that player so much, she took 2 games to Petra on grass which is the maximum a player of her category could take to the Czech on the specified surface, it's an exploit, if she gets past Petra this time do you really believe she'll give Maria a break ? :crazy: If she took 2 games to the reigning Venus Rosewater dish champion, she can definitively take 3 to Maria and put her in some personal crisis which could result in her losing confidence from the side effects of that supplementary game lost thus losing to her next opponent thus losing the promised F and tournament to her. :weirdo:

People really do not know what they're talking about.