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misty1
Aug 24th, 2011, 12:24 PM
This inaugeral event is falling apart and becoming a joke pretty quickly

if i were the organisers i would pray that one of rezai, lisicki or cibulkova win the tournament to at least have a decent champion

babsi
Aug 24th, 2011, 12:35 PM
To start with I wouldn't hold an event in Texas in August. And to make matters worse the week before the US Open. It had disaster written all over before it even started.

In an ideal world I would put it inbetween Indian Wells and Miami in March.

SVK
Aug 24th, 2011, 12:37 PM
Like it would be the first MM to have lower ranked winner...:silly:

Patrick345
Aug 24th, 2011, 12:44 PM
To start with I wouldn't hold an event in Texas in August. And to make matters worse the week before the US Open. It had disaster written all over before it even started.

In an ideal world I would put it inbetween Indian Wells and Miami in March.

Exactly. Given the circumstances it actually had a pretty good field, although that might also be a result of being the first event. Now that the players know the weather first hand, they might not play next time. :lol:

Bottom half looks pretty strong for a 220K. Cibulkova/Lisicki alone is better than anything Fez or Memphis had to offer.

BlueTrees
Aug 24th, 2011, 12:51 PM
I totally agree. The tournament should be cancelled immediately

pwayne
Aug 24th, 2011, 12:58 PM
Exactly. Given the circumstances it actually had a pretty good field, although that might also be a result of being the first event. Now that the players know the weather first hand, they might not play next time. :lol:

Bottom half looks pretty strong for a 220K. Cibulkova/Lisicki alone is better than anything Fez or Memphis had to offer.

Agreed. Winner of that matchup provided if Cibulkova win today should win the tournament on Saturday.

Shvedbarilescu
Aug 24th, 2011, 01:30 PM
I don't think there is a problem with the draw at all. As others have said under the circumstances and concidering it is a $220,000 International the field actually compares favourably with alot of other similar events. My concern is that I suspect it probably isn't the best preparation for the US Open and I would not be in the least surprised to see the finalists here, whoever they may be, go out in the 1st round of the US Open next week. 5 matches in Texas in August is pretty sure to take a lot out of a player.

Aravanecaravan
Aug 24th, 2011, 01:48 PM
I thought it would be held at a bigger facility, but was shocked when I saw the video feed. I'm really amazed that that top quality venues like Amelia Island and Ponte Vedra got dumped for "ITF Plus"es like this. All they did is haul a few directors' chairs and a couple of bleachers to the sidelines of one of the courts and call it "center court". I would have thought the "Big D" could have done better for the ladies, in all honesty.

moodin0931
Aug 24th, 2011, 03:05 PM
Oudin FTW!! :happy:

Juju Nostalgique
Aug 24th, 2011, 03:14 PM
Bush Open? :spit:

colt13
Aug 24th, 2011, 04:45 PM
It is not falling apart. I am a bit jealous, as I am in Phoenix and would love to have a warm weather event with a field this good the week before a slam. I think the long term future will deal with how the field does at the open, with the fact that they are playing in weather hotter than NY might acclimate them, or leave them whipped. I'm curious to see which is which.

Aravanecaravan
Aug 24th, 2011, 05:31 PM
It is not falling apart. I am a bit jealous, as I am in Phoenix and would love to have a warm weather event with a field this good the week before a slam. I think the long term future will deal with how the field does at the open, with the fact that they are playing in weather hotter than NY might acclimate them, or leave them whipped. I'm curious to see which is which.

It's almost entirely dependent on the player. Historically, if you look at extreme hot weather events, when they have been played, there are players from certain regions that, almost without exception, wither from the heat, and others that seem to be relatively unaffected. Conditioning has something to do with it, surely, but I'm beginning to think there is a lot more to it than that. There has to be some genetics involved, too.

The Russians, for example, almost without fail, no matter what shape they are in and how much conditioning they undergo, absolutely wilt in the heat. I can't really think of one that I would call a great warm weather player.

On the other hand, Aravane, with her Persian bloodlines, doesn't seem too bothered by it. She actually seems to play better when it's hotter.

I don't think the Dallas event is "falling apart"--the WTA is much too unpredictable these days to characterize a run of upsets in any one event as that, especially the week before a major--but I'll stand by what I said before. It's a po-dunk little event stuck in the middle of the US Open series that gives the women's tour a bad name. Dallas isn't a bad location to have a tennis tournament, but Dallas in August is dumb, and Dallas in August at what amounts to little more than a high school facility is a real slap in the face to an organization of pro athletes like the WTA.

pav
Aug 24th, 2011, 05:53 PM
Now some of you want a tournament where only the "suitable players" win, that measure up to your standards :lol: Mind you this goes on endlessly about the slams, so why not at MMs?

MaruSharapova
Aug 24th, 2011, 06:02 PM
It's almost entirely dependent on the player. Historically, if you look at extreme hot weather events, when they have been played, there are players from certain regions that, almost without exception, wither from the heat, and others that seem to be relatively unaffected. Conditioning has something to do with it, surely, but I'm beginning to think there is a lot more to it than that. There has to be some genetics involved, too.

The Russians, for example, almost without fail, no matter what shape they are in and how much conditioning they undergo, absolutely wilt in the heat. I can't really think of one that I would call a great warm weather player.

On the other hand, Aravane, with her Persian bloodlines, doesn't seem too bothered by it. She actually seems to play better when it's hotter.

I don't think the Dallas event is "falling apart"--the WTA is much too unpredictable these days to characterize a run of upsets in any one event as that, especially the week before a major--but I'll stand by what I said before. It's a po-dunk little event stuck in the middle of the US Open series that gives the women's tour a bad name. Dallas isn't a bad location to have a tennis tournament, but Dallas in August is dumb, and Dallas in August at what amounts to little more than a high school facility is a real slap in the face to an organization of pro athletes like the WTA.

Sharapova does alright in the heat :shrug: but I think the humidity over there might be a bigger factor? I meaan, being so close to the gulf of mexico, it must be pretty humid out there :eek:

timafi
Aug 24th, 2011, 06:20 PM
NOTHING and I mean absofuckinglutely NOTHING good ever comes out of Texas!

faboozadoo15
Aug 24th, 2011, 06:25 PM
Sharapova does alright in the heat :shrug: but I think the humidity over there might be a bigger factor? I meaan, being so close to the gulf of mexico, it must be pretty humid out there :eek:

Cinci and Miami are 2 of the hottest tournaments on tour, and she seems to have little problem with it. It probably comes from all the training in Florida though.

Azarenka is a miserable hot weather player.

pesto
Aug 24th, 2011, 06:37 PM
It had a far better field than I'd have expected, tbh. I don't think it's surprising that an event a week before a slam doesn't follow seedings, especially a new event where players aren't sure what to expect.

I'm very surprised that Baltacha has managed to get past two semi-decent players in those conditions, though, seeing that she's almost ginger, very pale-skinned, Ukrainian by way of Scotland and East Anglia, and dealing with continuous health problems. And a pretty mediocre player to start with.

It will indeed be interesting to see whether players who did okay here fare well in NYC.

ElusiveChanteuse
Aug 24th, 2011, 06:40 PM
The Mother Earth also approves the cancellation of the event.:oh:

Javi.
Aug 24th, 2011, 06:43 PM
Like it would be the first MM to have lower ranked winner...:silly:

This.
Also, many players don't like to compete the week before a Slam. Actually Strasbourg draws are usually worse. :shrug:

faboozadoo15
Aug 24th, 2011, 06:47 PM
This is better than DC/College Park.

Ian Aberdon
Aug 24th, 2011, 07:18 PM
I hope & pray the No.5 seeded player saves this tournament by winning it! ;)

edificio
Aug 24th, 2011, 08:14 PM
I don't see how the slate of players here is terrible. The only bad thing is that it is being held in a miserably hot place in the most miserably hot season. Other than that, even with losses, there are some good players still playing. If the players think playing here messes with their USO prep the solution is simple: don't play here. :shrug:

Also, I agree that the lineup is much better, in terms of ranked players, than DC/College Park. In any case, the tournaments aren't saved just because a well-liked ranked player wins. That's insane. I really can't see how this tournament is becoming a joke either.

Purple_Rain
Aug 24th, 2011, 08:43 PM
What did you expect here? I'm just happy we're lined up for a Domi-Sabine QF and we have streams.

miffedmax
Aug 24th, 2011, 09:06 PM
I'm a little surprised they just did it at the same location as the old USTA tournament (which TOB won when she was 15 or 16, speaking of being a hot weather player). I'm sure it had something to do with the affordability of the venue.

This is an ungodly hot summer, even by Texas standards, and other pro athletes are dealing with it (our baseball and soccer teams). The crowds have been pretty decent, given the heat and the location.

I'm not sure where else you could hold it. SMU or TCU would be good choices, but I suspect they were too expensive. SMU used to host the old Virginia Slims Tournament, and it was pretty nice (and indoors).

T-Bar M, a local tennis club, hosts a men's USTA tournament but couldn't handle the parking and crowds for a final I don't think.

For all the heat and the less than great facility, I think the consensus of those of us who have attended it is that it's been a fun event. I hope the players feel the same way. I guess we'll see next year.

Lena's bangs.

QuietPlease
Aug 25th, 2011, 06:07 AM
3 qualifiers and just 2 seeds in the QFs...

Wojtek
Aug 25th, 2011, 06:14 AM
here is news from Lisicki facebook :eek: :eek:I played yesterday and today at 5:30pm and it felt like playing in an oven!!! We played at 42°C!!! I won both my matches in straight sets and in about an hour.

Mike81
Aug 25th, 2011, 08:22 AM
Now Domi is OUT! Sabine really has to win this now but for herself, I don't care so much about this tournament unless Sabine wins it. As long as she doesn't have one of her 'off days' I believe she will.

*JR*
Aug 25th, 2011, 11:42 AM
I'm not sure where else you could hold it. SMU or TCU would be good choices, but I suspect they were too expensive. SMU used to host the old Virginia Slims Tournament, and it was pretty nice (and indoors).

They should have let Jerry Jones run it, and hold it in Cowboys Stadium. ;)