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tennisbum79
Aug 23rd, 2011, 04:42 PM
So much discussion in the Press, at the end, the USO was not impressed and did not budge






3-time champ Serena Williams 28th seed at US Open



The Associated Press
Published: Tuesday, Aug. 23, 2011 - 9:09 am

NEW YORK --

Serena Williams (http://topics.sacbee.com/Serena+Williams/) has been seeded 28th for the U.S. Open, (http://topics.sacbee.com/U.S.+Open/) which is sticking with its policy of following the rankings instead of taking into account players' past performances.

Williams leads active women with 13 Grand Slam titles, (http://topics.sacbee.com/Grand+Slam+titles/) including three at Flushing Meadows. She recently won consecutive hard-court tuneup tournaments at Stanford and Toronto.


A former No. 1, the American is ranked 29th this week. That's up from 175th in July, a few weeks after she returned to the tour following nearly a year off because of a series of health problems.


Top-ranked Caroline Wozniacki (http://topics.sacbee.com/Caroline+Wozniacki/) is seeded No. 1, followed by Vera Zvonareva. (http://topics.sacbee.com/Vera+Zvonareva/) Two-time reigning U.S. Open champion Kim Clijsters, who is ranked No. 3, will miss the tournament with a stomach muscle injury.







Source: http://www.sacbee.com/2011/08/23/3855754/3-time-champ-serena-williams-28th.html



Complete list




2011 US Open Women’s Singles Seeds






1. Caroline Wozniacki, Denmark
2. Vera Zvonareva, Russia
3. Maria Sharapova, Russia
4. Victoria Azarenka, Belarus


5. Petra Kvitova, Czech Republic
6. Na Li, China
7. Francesca Schiavone, Italy
8. Marion Bartoli, France

9. Samantha Stosur, Australia
10. Andrea Petkovic, Germany
11. Jelena Jankovic, Serbia
12. Agnieszka Radwanska, Poland
13. Shuai Peng, China
14. Dominika Cibulkova, Slovakia
15. Svetlana Kuznetsova, Russia
16. Ana Ivanovic, Serbia

17. Anastasia Pavlyuchenkova, Russia
18. Roberta Vinci, Italy
19. Julia Goerges, Germany
20. Yanina Wickmayer, Belgium
21. Daniela Hantuchova, Slovakia
22. Sabine Lisicki, Germany
23. Shahar Peer, Israel
24. Nadia Petrova, Russia

25. Maria Kirilenko, Russia
26. Flavia Pennetta, Italy
27. Lucie Safarova, Czech Republic
28. Serena Williams, United States
29. Jarmila Gajdosova, Australia
30. Anabel Medina Garrigues, Spain
31. Kaia Kanepi, Estonia
32. Maria Jose Martinez Sanchez, Spain

Source: http://www.usopen.org/en_US/news/articles/2011-08-23/201108231314119095999.html

ElusiveChanteuse
Aug 23rd, 2011, 04:44 PM
:yawn:

@little levity
Aug 23rd, 2011, 04:45 PM
USO finalist seedings from 2000-2010

2010: 2 def 7

2009: WC def 9

2008: 4 def 2

2007: 1 def 4

2006: 3 def 2

2005: 4 def 12

2004: 9 def 6

2003: 2 def 1

2002: 1 def 2

2001: 4 def 10

2000: 3 def 2

So the chances of a player seeded outside the top 10 winning is REMOTE.

jefrilibra
Aug 23rd, 2011, 04:48 PM
When did Serena say that? Or is this one of your own statements again?

tennisbum79
Aug 23rd, 2011, 04:49 PM
USO finalist seedings from 2000-2010

2010: 2 def 7

2009: WC def 9

2008: 4 def 2

2007: 1 def 4

2006: 3 def 2

2005: 4 def 12

2004: 9 def 6

2003: 2 def 1

2002: 1 def 2

2001: 4 def 10

2000: 3 def 2

So the chances of a player seeded outside the top 10 winning is REMOTE.

Yes, but Serena has defied conventional wisdom before.

Do you have similar stats for AO(Serena) and Wimbledon(Venus)?

tennisfan5
Aug 23rd, 2011, 04:49 PM
she's got a seeding, so she avoids a seed for the first 2 rounds. then she'll beat whichever top 8 seed she plays and take their spot. big whoop.

DOUBLEFIST
Aug 23rd, 2011, 04:50 PM
:bounce: I hope it makes her good and angry! :devil:

Batches beware!!!!

DOUBLEFIST
Aug 23rd, 2011, 04:52 PM
USO finalist seedings from 2000-2010

2010: 2 def 7

2009: WC def 9

2008: 4 def 2

2007: 1 def 4

2006: 3 def 2

2005: 4 def 12

2004: 9 def 6

2003: 2 def 1

2002: 1 def 2

2001: 4 def 10

2000: 3 def 2

So the chances of a player seeded outside the top 10 winning is REMOTE.

Noobs... :facepalm:

Serenita
Aug 23rd, 2011, 04:53 PM
:bounce: I hope it makes her good and angry! :devil:

Batches beware!!!!
http://blog.vh1.com/files/2008/06/sm_ny_knife.gif

Annie.
Aug 23rd, 2011, 04:55 PM
USO finalist seedings from 2000-2010

2010: 2 def 7

2009: WC def 9

2008: 4 def 2

2007: 1 def 4

2006: 3 def 2

2005: 4 def 12

2004: 9 def 6

2003: 2 def 1

2002: 1 def 2

2001: 4 def 10

2000: 3 def 2

So the chances of a player seeded outside the top 10 winning is REMOTE.

You think this applies to Serena??

http://i55.tinypic.com/ae8ll2.gif

@little levity
Aug 23rd, 2011, 04:56 PM
Yes, but Serena has defied conventional wisdom before.

Do you have similar stats for AO(Serena) and Wimbledon(Venus)?

Those tournaments don't matter. Besides, Serena never said the seeding didn't matter at them.

But, if you look closely, they do matter, It's all there in Red and Blue and Green and Dark Grey and Orange and Pink and I'm a bit colour blind, is that Purple?

Rollo
Aug 23rd, 2011, 04:57 PM
So the chances of a player seeded outside the top 10 winning is REMOTE.

Remote is an apt word for Caroline Wozniacki winning this year's US Open. While there is no guarentee that Serena will win I should say her odds are better than remote.:)

-Sonic-
Aug 23rd, 2011, 04:59 PM
Serena is the favourite... thats all anyone needs to know.

Other people's past rankings will not affect Serena's performance at the USO.

@little levity
Aug 23rd, 2011, 05:03 PM
Remote is an apt word for Caroline Wozniacki winning this year's US Open. While there is no guarentee that Serena will win I should say her odds are better than remote.:)

Ah come on, don't turn it into a Wozniacki bash-fest. I must be one of those rare souls, who's not a fanboy wishing her to do well. :)

Serena? Yep, for me, she's one of the favourites. I'm just posting the stats (they like stats on here):)

tennisbum79
Aug 23rd, 2011, 05:03 PM
Those tournaments don't matter. Besides, Serena never said the seeding didn't matter at them.

But, if you look closely, they do matter, It's all there in Red and Blue and Green and Dark Grey and Orange and Pink and I'm a bit colour blind, is that Purple?
I was not arguing that seeding did not matter.

All I am saying is because they do matter so much, Serena takes stock of that and does the extra work to overcome the adverse effect of the unfavorable seedings.
I think we can agree on that.

Asking for similar stats was not intended to challenge your numbers, but to confirm them and put them against Serena or Venus respective performances at those tournaments when they were seeded outside of the top 10.



At macro level the seeding matter, and that is clearly what you data shows.
At micro level, however, it depend on each players, and that is where my focus is.
The only credible way to measure that is to compare the individual performance in other tournament when seeded outside of 10.

BlueTrees
Aug 23rd, 2011, 05:06 PM
I don't see why it's such a surprise/scandal. Just because she's Serena Williams it doesn't mean she deserves any special treatment. She's seeded where she belongs.

Rest Maria!
Aug 23rd, 2011, 05:11 PM
USO finalist seedings from 2000-2010


So the chances of a player seeded outside the top 10 winning is REMOTE.

This would be true if and only if some random number generator was choosing the winners, but at the end of the day it's two persons coming out on the court and fighting to advance and ultimately win - arbitrary numbers attached to them are meaningless as you can see looking at Woz's track record at majors.

mykarma
Aug 23rd, 2011, 05:13 PM
I don't see why it's such a surprise/scandal. Just because she's Serena Williams it doesn't mean she deserves any special treatment. She's seeded where she belongs.
Yes and the majority of Serena fans would agree. It's her foes that hate it and are cringing in their boots hoping she doesn't meet their fav in the third round.

Serenita
Aug 23rd, 2011, 05:14 PM
Yes and the majority of Serena fans would agree. It's her foes that hate it and are cringing in their boots hoping she doesn't meet their fav in the third round.
:lol:

tennisbum79
Aug 23rd, 2011, 05:16 PM
I don't see why it's such a surprise/scandal. Just because she's Serena Williams it doesn't mean she deserves any special treatment. She's seeded where she belongs.
You missed the point of the thread opening post.

It is not a surprise because the seeding reflect Serena s' ranking.
But given much of the talk this last week on this board, ESPN and Tennis channel and other publications, all hinting ta a higher seeding(MJF even pushed for top 8), there was an expectation that Serena would be bumped up.


It is with backdrop and actual seeding that the thread is trying to convey in the first post and title.

Justin
Aug 23rd, 2011, 05:16 PM
What group of seeds is she slated to meet in the 3d round with the 29th seed? Is it groups of 4 or 8 for the 3d round?: ie, do 1-4 meet 29-32 or does 1-8 meet 25-32?

tennisbum79
Aug 23rd, 2011, 05:18 PM
What group of seeds is she slated to meet in the 3d round with the 29th seed? Is it groups of 4 or 8 for the 3d round?: ie, do 1-4 meet 29-32 or does 1-8 meet 25-32?
Can we know that before the draw?

bertoltbrecht
Aug 23rd, 2011, 05:21 PM
Where did this info come from? I have not found the seeds listed anywhere yet, most notably on the US Open website.

BlueTrees
Aug 23rd, 2011, 05:22 PM
What group of seeds is she slated to meet in the 3d round with the 29th seed? Is it groups of 4 or 8 for the 3d round?: ie, do 1-4 meet 29-32 or does 1-8 meet 25-32?

In the third round

1-8 meet 25-32
9-16 meet 17-24

I think..

In The Zone
Aug 23rd, 2011, 05:24 PM
In the third round

1-8 meet 25-32
9-16 meet 17-24

I think..

Correct.

R32: 1-8 vs. 25-32, 9-16 vs. 17-24.
R16: 1-4 vs. 13-16, 5-8 vs. 9-12.
QF. 1-4 vs. 5-8
SF: 1-2 vs. 3-4.

Serena can still land anywhere in the draw, we just know that she will face a seed 1-8 in the R32.

Shvedbarilescu
Aug 23rd, 2011, 05:25 PM
USO finalist seedings from 2000-2010

2010: 2 def 7

2009: WC def 9

2008: 4 def 2

2007: 1 def 4

2006: 3 def 2

2005: 4 def 12

2004: 9 def 6

2003: 2 def 1

2002: 1 def 2

2001: 4 def 10

2000: 3 def 2

So the chances of a player seeded outside the top 10 winning is REMOTE.

All I can say to that is, following along with your same logic, you still have a better chance of winning the tournament ranked outside the top 10 than you do if you are ranked number 5. If you are ranked number 5 you have no chance of even making the final. :devil:

In The Zone
Aug 23rd, 2011, 05:25 PM
This would be true if and only if some random number generator was choosing the winners, but at the end of the day it's two persons coming out on the court and fighting to advance and ultimately win - arbitrary numbers attached to them are meaningless as you can see looking at Woz's track record at majors.

:lol: @ Serena being remote.

Has Serena ever been seeding 28 or unseeded in a slam? Oh, I think I remember that one slam ......

Aka, far from remote, especially when you win two tune-ups.

Vikapower
Aug 23rd, 2011, 05:30 PM
USO finalist seedings from 2000-2010

[...]

So the chances of a player seeded outside the top 10 winning is REMOTE.

Very interesting, thanks... :hatoff: I expect many people to dismantle your facts though as usual here with stupid statements but whatever. :lol: These #s combined with the fact that US is Rena's worst major puts her chances at clinching the trophy 5 to 10% IMO if not less.

tennisbum79
Aug 23rd, 2011, 05:31 PM
Where did this info come from? I have not found the seeds listed anywhere yet, most notably on the US Open website.
The link is on the first page.

The USO may just be a bit slow.

harloo
Aug 23rd, 2011, 05:31 PM
Serena will just have to take one of the top 8 down in the third round. It will be such a shame though to see either player go early as the women's game is already struggling enough as it is with injuries, lack of rivalries, and quality. May the best woman win.

I want Serena to meet Kvitova in the third round.:lol:

Jane Lane
Aug 23rd, 2011, 05:33 PM
Why is this newsworthy? :yawn: The follow the rankings like they always do.

Serena's still Serena.

tennisbum79
Aug 23rd, 2011, 05:36 PM
Interesting, thanks for the insight... :hatoff: I expect many people to dismantle your facts though as usual here. :lol:
Now, you never dismantle facts, you put other fact in contradictions. and theen the debate moved to reconciliations of both facts existing in the same space.

These are statistics, and as such they predict future behavior based on past behavior.
So it is very hard to argue on a macro level against it.


The only approach an argument against this is at micro level, but the micro level argument must be based on solid evidence, because you are putting an anomaly against a generality.

John.
Aug 23rd, 2011, 05:39 PM
Very interesting, thanks... :hatoff: I expect many people to dismantle your facts though as usual here with stupid statements but whatever. :lol: These #s combined with the fact that US is Rena's worst major puts her chances at clinching the trophy 5 to 10% IMO if not less.

:weirdo:

TennisArt
Aug 23rd, 2011, 05:43 PM
Very interesting, thanks... :hatoff: I expect many people to dismantle your facts though as usual here with stupid statements but whatever. :lol: These #s combined with the fact that US is Rena's worst major puts her chances at clinching the trophy 5 to 10% IMO if not less.

The French Open is her worst major. :rolleyes:

maddogz48
Aug 23rd, 2011, 05:46 PM
Now that the seedings issue is over, we can now look forward to the main draw and see a possible Serena and Sharapova third round encounter. :devil: :drool:

A Serena-Woz third round would probably be the final push that would send Woz over the cliff and into a Safina-like future.

It will be devastating for the Top 8 seed that draws Serena as they will already know beforehand which round they will be sent home.

tennisbum79
Aug 23rd, 2011, 05:47 PM
Now that the seedings issue is over, we can now look forward to the main draw and see a possible Serena and Sharapova third round encounter. :devil: :drool:
Yeah.

Always something to look forward to. Isn't it?

Serenita
Aug 23rd, 2011, 05:52 PM
Very interesting, thanks... :hatoff: I expect many people to dismantle your facts though as usual here with stupid statements but whatever. :lol: These #s combined with the fact that US is Rena's worst major puts her chances at clinching the trophy 5 to 10% IMO if not less.
:awww:

Anyway's Serena has shown in the past that she don't need any help from the seeding commission to win slams. Unlike some players who get the easiest draws, but still can't come up with the goods.

shoryuken
Aug 23rd, 2011, 06:06 PM
:awww:

Anyway's Serena has shown in the past that she don't need any help from the seeding commission to win slams. Unlike some players who get the easiest draws, but still can't come up with the goods.

http://oi55.tinypic.com/1iipld.jpg

tennisbum79
Aug 23rd, 2011, 06:06 PM
Here is the complete list from USO website





The USTA announced that world No. 1 Caroline Wozniacki of Denmark has been named the top seed in women’s singles at the 2011 US Open. The 2011 US Open will be played at the USTA Billie Jean King National Tennis Center in Flushing, N.Y., August 29 – September 11. The US Open Women’s Singles Championship is presented by JPMorgan Chase.



Wozniacki, the 2009 US Open runner-up, is the No. 1 seed at the US Open for the second consecutive year and is seeking her first Grand Slam title. She will be followed by No. 2 seed Vera Zvonareva of Russia, who reached the final of both the US Open and Wimbledon last year. 2006 US Open champion Maria Sharapova of Russia is seeded third, followed by No. 4 seed Victoria Azarenka of Belarus. Three-time US Open champion Serena Williams is seededNo. 28.


For 2011, the US Open followed the WTA rankings to determine the women’s singles seeds. This is the tenth consecutive year that the US Open has seeded 32 players in both singles events.
“After careful deliberation regarding Serena Williams’ seeding, we decided to maintain the objective criteria in place to determine the women’s singles seeds at this year’s US Open,” said Jim Curley, US Open Tournament Director and Chief Professional Tournaments Officer, USTA.




Reigning Wimbledon champion Petra Kvitova of the Czech Republicis seeded fifth, and 2011 French Open champion Li Na of China is seeded sixth. 2010 French Open champion Francesca Schiavone of Italy and Marion Bartoli of France are seeded seventh and eighth, respectively.


The singles draws for the 2011 US Open will be revealed live during a one-hour special edition of SportsCenter on ESPN, Thursday, August 25 at 12 PM ET. Defending US Open men’s champion Rafael Nadal will make an appearance from the USTA Billie Jean King National Tennis Center in Flushing, N.Y.



2011 US Open Women’s Singles Seeds


1. Caroline Wozniacki, Denmark
2. Vera Zvonareva, Russia
3. Maria Sharapova, Russia
4. Victoria Azarenka, Belarus
5. Petra Kvitova, Czech Republic
6. Na Li, China
7. Francesca Schiavone, Italy
8. Marion Bartoli, France

9. Samantha Stosur, Australia
10. Andrea Petkovic, Germany
11. Jelena Jankovic, Serbia
12. Agnieszka Radwanska, Poland
13. Shuai Peng, China
14. Dominika Cibulkova, Slovakia
15. Svetlana Kuznetsova, Russia
16. Ana Ivanovic, Serbia

17. Anastasia Pavlyuchenkova, Russia
18. Roberta Vinci, Italy
19. Julia Goerges, Germany
20. Yanina Wickmayer, Belgium
21. Daniela Hantuchova, Slovakia
22. Sabine Lisicki, Germany
23. Shahar Peer, Israel
24. Nadia Petrova, Russia

25. Maria Kirilenko, Russia
26. Flavia Pennetta, Italy
27. Lucie Safarova, Czech Republic
28. Serena Williams, United States
29. Jarmila Gajdosova, Australia
30. Anabel Medina Garrigues, Spain
31. Kaia Kanepi, Estonia
32. Maria Jose Martinez Sanchez, Spain





Source: http://www.usopen.org/en_US/news/articles/2011-08-23/201108231314119095999.html

Tennis Observer
Aug 23rd, 2011, 06:28 PM
But given much of the talk this last week on this board, ESPN and Tennis channel and other publications, all hinting ta a higher seeding(MJF even pushed for top 8), there was an expectation that Serena would be bumped up.
Unfortunately all these persons are not prepared to do a simple search (in her comments during Cincy final Mary Joe Fernandez didn't even know about Masha's seeding and sidecick Pam Shriver was unsure):

From US Open HP: (http://www.usopen.org/en_US/players/seeds.html?promo=subnav)
Men’s and women’s seeds will be based on the August 22 rankings.

Don't take it personal but the thread you started don't offer any news. It just confirms the information to the general public from US Open!

acetoace
Aug 23rd, 2011, 06:29 PM
:awww:

Anyway's Serena has shown in the past that she don't need any help from the seeding commission to win slams. Unlike some players who get the easiest draws, but still can't come up with the goods.


So true.....hehehehe! Did u mean some has been pretender to the throne; a Serena wonna be who had the draw skewed for her FO & WB but still FAIL nevertheless?:rolleyes::lol:

Vikapower
Aug 23rd, 2011, 06:35 PM
:awww:

Anyway's Serena has shown in the past that she don't need any help from the seeding commission to win slams. Unlike some players who get the easiest draws, but still can't come up with the goods.

Obviously but there's a difference between being 25 and 30 something... and at 30 something I doubt your statement makes any sense whatsoever... you should dig out your head from that machine that keeps you in that past you can't seem to forget, she's not the same player anymore.

The French Open is her worst major. :rolleyes:

:yawn: We all know Serena doesn't give her best in RG, it's a warm up MM event for grass for her if it could be considered as so, that doesn't even count IMO - US is indeed her worst major.

Serenita
Aug 23rd, 2011, 06:35 PM
So true.....hehehehe! Did u mean some has been pretender to the throne; a Serena wonna be who had the draw skewed for her FO & WB but still FAIL nevertheless?:rolleyes::lol:
:oh:

Drake1980
Aug 23rd, 2011, 06:46 PM
I hope Fran doesn't have to play her in third round!

VenusSerenaBlvd.
Aug 23rd, 2011, 06:48 PM
We will see what happens. Serena is still vulnerable the early rounds, but 2nd week Watch Out! Besides, the only players that should be worried are the ones with a real shot at the title. That means anyone in the Top 8 and a couple of other players.

2Black
Aug 23rd, 2011, 06:51 PM
And VENUS WILLIAMS is LOOMING. I can't wait til Thursday's draw :lol:

Volcana
Aug 23rd, 2011, 06:52 PM
So much discussion in the Press, at the end, the USO was not impressed and did not budgeI wrote it before. I'll write it again. The only reason to change Serena's seed was to protect the top eight FROM her. Serena doesn't need her seed changed.

spartanfan
Aug 23rd, 2011, 06:58 PM
What seeded player has had a better summer than Serena? And what seeded player has a winning H2H against Serena? If Serena is healthy, focused and determined, I just don't see anyone currently in the Top 10 that really pose a threat to her. Either the seeds have been having an off summer/season, have injuries that bring into question their readiness for the US Open or have never really posed a threat to Serena at a GS. This Open is Serena's to win or lose.

In The Zone
Aug 23rd, 2011, 06:59 PM
I wrote it before. I'll write it again. The only reason to change Serena's seed was to protect the top eight FROM her. Serena doesn't need her seed changed.

Exactly. And based on ESPN's commentary, they are to blame for this hype about Serena's seeding being changed.

spartanfan
Aug 23rd, 2011, 07:07 PM
I don't think Serena gives a rats fat ass about her seeding. To her it won't matter if she has to beat a top 8 player in the 3rd round or the finals. That said, if they are on opposite sides of the draw, I really see a Serena vs. Sharapova final in the cards. Sharapova's game has gotten a little more consistent, but her biggest weapon still isn't there and if she plays an aggressive returner and consistent baseline she probably won't make it to the finals.

Sund7101
Aug 23rd, 2011, 07:08 PM
It really doesn't matter what Serena is seeded. The fans know it, the players know it, and Serena knows it that she is the player to beat. I'm interested to see who she will clash with first.

Stamp Paid
Aug 23rd, 2011, 07:16 PM
Petra in 3R. Thanks

edificio
Aug 23rd, 2011, 07:33 PM
It really doesn't matter what Serena is seeded. The fans know it, the players know it, and Serena knows it that she is the player to beat. I'm interested to see who she will clash with first.

:yeah:

DefyingGravity
Aug 23rd, 2011, 07:34 PM
The seeding doesn't matter, it's where she's placed. Hell, she made the 4th round after only playing LA and Cincinnati in 2006 and was unseeded and still took out Hantuchova, that year's USO Series winner Ivanovic, and nearly upset Mauresmo.

tennisbum79
Aug 23rd, 2011, 07:47 PM
It really doesn't matter what Serena is seeded. The fans know it, the players know it, and Serena knows it that she is the player to beat. I'm interested to see who she will clash with first.
I can visualize a sudden mood change where excitement ot be the USO is quickly replaced by sense of resignation among players and their family after finding out that Serena is in their quarters.

Expectations changes from "let's see how far" she can go to return trip back after potential date meeting with Serena.
Previous optimistic slogans and pep talks are cut down to enthusiasm and length and replaced with the Olympic motto, "the most important thing is to participate"

Yes Serena has crashed more dreams than she knows

Bijoux0021
Aug 23rd, 2011, 07:59 PM
Exactly. And based on ESPN's commentary, they are to blame for this hype about Serena's seeding being changed.
They just don't want Serena to take out their over-hyped Masha out so early if they meet in the 3rd round.

SAEKeithSerena
Aug 23rd, 2011, 07:59 PM
Serena will be ready, that's all that matters :) Here comes number 14, mark my words.

swim4life227
Aug 23rd, 2011, 08:01 PM
I nearly just :spit: @ some of the delusional comments Vikatard has posted. I honestly feel bad for Vikatard because it's clear he doesn't really mean those comments and really lacks attention and thus trying to get it here :(

Stamp Paid
Aug 23rd, 2011, 08:02 PM
Yes Serena has crashed more dreams than she knowsAnd her biggest victim is right there in your avatar

http://i54.tinypic.com/2s01v6w.jpg

Annie.
Aug 23rd, 2011, 08:04 PM
And her biggest victim is right there in your avatar

http://i54.tinypic.com/2s01v6w.jpg

:crying2:

effedcamel
Aug 23rd, 2011, 08:07 PM
And her biggest victim is right there in your avatar

http://i54.tinypic.com/2s01v6w.jpg

http://www.awesomemyspacecomments.com/1/funny/641.gif

tennisbum79
Aug 23rd, 2011, 08:07 PM
And her biggest victim is right there in your avatar

http://i54.tinypic.com/2s01v6w.jpg
That was a low blow but I will take it standing up straight, clinching my fist and grinding my teeth

maddogz48
Aug 23rd, 2011, 08:34 PM
And her biggest victim is right there in your avatar

http://i54.tinypic.com/2s01v6w.jpg

Ouch. That's harsh.

Venus needs to ensure she is definitely on the other side of the draw, far from Serena because whenever they meet at the US Open I will be supporting Serena all the way.:)

Venus pissed away her shot at a slam this year when she rolled over for Pironkova at Wimbledon.

spartanfan
Aug 23rd, 2011, 08:46 PM
They just don't want Serena to take out their over-hyped Masha out so early if they meet in the 3rd round.
I'd bet good money that Serena and Sharapova are on opposite sides of the draw.

smarties
Aug 23rd, 2011, 08:47 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v338/MundoLopez/tumblr_kvhkvwh5GB1qzf94so1_400.gif

MrSerenaWilliams
Aug 23rd, 2011, 08:47 PM
And her biggest victim is right there in your avatar

http://i54.tinypic.com/2s01v6w.jpg

http://ashrussell.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/13z4eaf.gif

BlameSerena
Aug 23rd, 2011, 08:50 PM
Really not surprised. I hope she decimates the field. :devil:

Bijoux0021
Aug 23rd, 2011, 09:03 PM
I'd bet good money that Serena and Sharapova are on opposite sides of the draw.
I would definitely bet on that too. The USO organizers are going to keep her far away from Serena as possible.

ZODIAC
Aug 23rd, 2011, 09:13 PM
USO finalist seedings from 2000-2010

2010: 2 def 7

2009: WC def 9

2008: 4 def 2

2007: 1 def 4

2006: 3 def 2

2005: 4 def 12

2004: 9 def 6

2003: 2 def 1

2002: 1 def 2

2001: 4 def 10

2000: 3 def 2

So the chances of a player seeded outside the top 10 winning is REMOTE.Serena is no ordinary player and her season started in June and the Open will be like her Australian Open..she will be playing to win.

hingis-seles
Aug 23rd, 2011, 09:15 PM
#1 vs #28 please.

starin
Aug 23rd, 2011, 09:26 PM
And her biggest victim is right there in your avatar

http://i54.tinypic.com/2s01v6w.jpg

:hysteric:

SoBizarre
Aug 23rd, 2011, 09:35 PM
Why are people saying it doesn't matter that Serena is not seeded higher? It can potentially mean one or two matches much heavier than what she would play at early stages as a top seed. It's not like she has unlimited strength, you know how very ill she was not so long time ago. It will have negative impact on her performance at later stages, no doubt about it. Might be a difference between winning and losing semi or final.

But of course if she wins, she will ridicule the whole WTA field. :lol:

tennnisfannn
Aug 23rd, 2011, 09:40 PM
USO finalist seedings from 2000-2010

2010: 2 def 7

2009: WC def 9

2008: 4 def 2

2007: 1 def 4

2006: 3 def 2

2005: 4 def 12

2004: 9 def 6

2003: 2 def 1

2002: 1 def 2

2001: 4 def 10

2000: 3 def 2

So the chances of a player seeded outside the top 10 winning is REMOTE.

Yet WC defeating no.9 seed in 2009 was not!:lol:

ZODIAC
Aug 23rd, 2011, 09:42 PM
Why are people saying it doesn't matter that Serena is not seeded higher? It can potentially mean one or two matches much heavier than what she would play at early stages as a top seed. It's not like she has unlimited strength, you know how very ill she was not so long time ago. It will have negative impact on her performance at later stages, no doubt about it. Might be a difference between winning and losing semi or final.

But of course if she wins, she will ridicule the whole WTA field. :lol:she will have a day off between matches:rolleyes:

spartanfan
Aug 23rd, 2011, 09:46 PM
Why are people saying it doesn't matter that Serena is not seeded higher? It can potentially mean one or two matches much heavier than what she would play at early stages as a top seed. It's not like she has unlimited strength, you know how very ill she was not so long time ago. It will have negative impact on her performance at later stages, no doubt about it. Might be a difference between winning and losing semi or final.

But of course if she wins, she will ridicule the whole WTA field. :lol:
So who would you say in the top 10 has been playing the best since Wimbledon? And who would you say would pose the greatest challenge to Serena in the 3 or 4th round?

SoBizarre
Aug 23rd, 2011, 10:10 PM
So who would you say in the top 10 has been playing the best since Wimbledon? And who would you say would pose the greatest challenge to Serena in the 3 or 4th round?

C'mon, anybody from top 10 might suddenly become a tough opponent for her. At least tougher than other, lower ranked players. No need to make such a Superwoman out of Serena. She is great, but not invincible. NOBODY ever was.

Annie.
Aug 23rd, 2011, 10:12 PM
From ESPN article:

Chris Evert, an 18-time major champion, thought the tournament erred by not lifting Williams' seeding.

"It hurts the field, is what it does. It really doesn't hurt Serena as much as it hurts the other players. One of the top seeds will get her in the third round," said Evert, who will call U.S. Open matches for ESPN2. "I think they could have made a much better judgment call."

Christ Evert has spoken. Serena remains unbothered.

spencercarlos
Aug 23rd, 2011, 10:15 PM
Petra in 3R. Thanks
Or Caro.. That would be EPIC!!

Although Petra would be a great choice, to be restoring order starting from the last recent Slam Champion..

edificio
Aug 23rd, 2011, 10:20 PM
Why are people saying it doesn't matter that Serena is not seeded higher? It can potentially mean one or two matches much heavier than what she would play at early stages as a top seed. It's not like she has unlimited strength, you know how very ill she was not so long time ago. It will have negative impact on her performance at later stages, no doubt about it. Might be a difference between winning and losing semi or final.

But of course if she wins, she will ridicule the whole WTA field. :lol:

She has to beat the player across the net, no matter who it is. It may not be as much fun for the viewer not to see--e.g., Serena vs Woz or Woz vs Venus or Serena vs Maria in the final--;)but it doesn't make much difference to the top-notch players whether they play the no. 1, 2, or 3 earlier or later. Maybe it does to some. I don't know. But Serena, I'm pretty sure, doesn't care. She just wanted to have a seed. She's already done the unseeded player wins the championship thing. :tape:

LightWarrior
Aug 23rd, 2011, 10:30 PM
From ESPN article:

Chris Evert, an 18-time major champion, thought the tournament erred by not lifting Williams' seeding.

"It hurts the field, is what it does. It really doesn't hurt Serena as much as it hurts the other players. One of the top seeds will get her in the third round," said Evert, who will call U.S. Open matches for ESPN2. "I think they could have made a much better judgment call."

Christ Evert has spoken. Serena remains unbothered.

She's spot-on. Guess who's conservative now, Wimbledon or the USO ?

Bayo
Aug 23rd, 2011, 10:46 PM
Petra in 3R. Thanks

Yes lawd.

Diesel
Aug 23rd, 2011, 10:53 PM
And her biggest victim is right there in your avatar

http://i54.tinypic.com/2s01v6w.jpg

I can't breathe :rolls:

After hearing about Pat Summitt, I needed this.

mauresmofan
Aug 23rd, 2011, 11:07 PM
It won't matter unless she draws Venus early then and ONLY then will her expected victory be in any sort of doubt

edificio
Aug 23rd, 2011, 11:10 PM
It won't matter unless she draws Venus early then and ONLY then will her expected victory be in any sort of doubt

Yeah, that would be a bummer, and I kind of agree with you.

Excelscior
Aug 23rd, 2011, 11:13 PM
It won't matter unless she draws Venus early then and ONLY then will her expected victory be in any sort of doubt

Are you serious/kidding?

Venus!? :confused: :help: :confused:

amc987
Aug 23rd, 2011, 11:17 PM
I never understood why the Slams other than Wimbledon were so stubborn about using only the rankings to determine seeds. Isn't the point of seedings to achieve a balanced draw and not to aggrandize the accomplishments of players who haven't been injured and have therefore played for an entire season? Based on the way Serena has played this summer and her history at the US Open, she should be a top 16 seed at minimum. I actually would move her up to #8, especially because Clijsters is out and Serena's higher seeding wouldn't be displacing a reigning GS champ. Does anyone believe she's less of a threat to win the tournament than Bartoli or Stosur or Petkovic or Radwanska?!? Sigh.

On the bright side, now Serena could meet Wozniacki in the 3rd round. That match would answer some questions about the ranking system if Serena beats Woz in 2 comfortable sets. I'm hoping that this happens, and that Azarenka, Sharapova, Li, Kvitova, etc. don't get the bad end of this seeding arrangement instead.

Fuzzylogic
Aug 23rd, 2011, 11:24 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/tennis/blog/busted_racquet/post/Crazy-U-S-Open-favorite-Serena-Williams-seeded?urn=ten-wp2637

^He certainly seems to be taking this very serious. A lot of people are probably more upset over this than Serena herself. It's the other players that should be scared and angry.

ICHUSE2
Aug 23rd, 2011, 11:26 PM
She's spot-on. Guess who's conservative now, Wimbledon or the USO ?


;) Good One!!!!!

ICHUSE2
Aug 23rd, 2011, 11:36 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/tennis/blog/busted_racquet/post/Crazy-U-S-Open-favorite-Serena-Williams-seeded?urn=ten-wp2637

^He certainly seems to be taking this very serious. A lot of people are probably more upset over this than Serena herself. It's the other players that should be scared and angry.

Gee Wiz :fiery: He is Maaaaaaaaad about it!

debopero
Aug 23rd, 2011, 11:48 PM
They made the right choice, the USTA. You can't bend the rules and the history of the US Open -- and the game -- for one incident of ranking misnomer.

Tennis Observer
Aug 24th, 2011, 12:00 AM
To sum it up, USTA’s decision (http://www.usopen.org/en_US/news/articles/2011-08-23/201108231314119095999.html) “to maintain the objective criteria in place to determine the women’s singles seeds at this year’s US Open” is a judgment call. But Chrissie’s assumption (http://www.tennis.com/articles/templates/news.aspx?articleid=13811&zoneid=25) (““It hurts the field, is what it does. It really doesn’t hurt Serena as much as it hurts the other players”) its way to broad for my taste!

Let’s face it:

Regardless of the # of the seed, in the first two rounds every seeded play will meet an unseeded player.
For the health of the argument let’s assume that there are no # 1-8 upsets in R1&R2 and Serena will advance into R3. As there is a huge amount of money on the line, for the sake of the tournament it’s important that there is no mach up between [28]Serena Williams and [3]Maria Sharapova.I second spartanfan ( http://www.tennisforum.com/showpost.php?p=20109445&postcount=64) that Serena & Masha are on opposite sides of the draw.
If so it’s more likely that Serena will kick out one of the other Top 8 seats and will take her spot. As a result from R4 onwards Championship favorite Serena will still be seeded # 28 but will path through the major as the Top 8 seed she kicked out.
USTA decision to maintain the objective criteria will most likely hurt one Top 8 seed other than Masha. If USTA had promoted Serena to Top 8 seed, [8]Marion Bartoli would kicked out of #5 to #8 segment, [12] Agnieszka Radwanska out of #9 to #12 segment, [16]Ana Ivanovic out of #13 to #16 segment and [24]Nadia Petrova out of # 17 to #24 segment.
Taking into account players’ past performances instead of following the rankings as suggested by the mainstream makes a draw not more balanced if this as a one way street. If USTA had upgraded [28]Serena Williams, it has to be questioned eg if [1]Miss Sunshine should be downgraded or [31]Kaia Kanepi not be seeded.

To conclude, I support USTA’s decision and call it a very wise one.

tennisbum79
Aug 24th, 2011, 01:01 AM
They made the right choice, the USTA. You can't bend the rules and the history of the US Open -- and the game -- for one incident of ranking misnomer.
So are you against it when Wimbledon does it?
As it was argued , the rule are there to help achieve an objective, if that objective is not met by current circumstances and the the tournament director has the discretion to make a correction, why not use that discretion.

Personally, as a fan of Serena, I have no objection to decision, I am just responding to your notion that rules are are set in stones.

debopero
Aug 24th, 2011, 01:07 AM
So are you against it when Wimbledon does it?
As it was argued , the rule are there to help achieve an objective, if that objective is not met by current circumstances and the the tournament director has the discretion to make a correction, why not use that discretion.

Personally, as a fan of Serena, I have no objection to decision, I am just responding to your notion that rules are are set in stones.

It wouldn't be an exception at Wimbledon because they do that at Wimbledon every year!

ZODIAC
Aug 24th, 2011, 01:18 AM
I dont think Serena was hoping for a change in ranking,she worked hard to get a seeding and just like she worked hard to win two trophys this summer she will apply the same ethic to the USA Open.She fully knows the machinations of the USTA and will be extra careful at Flushing Meadows.I think they will try to provoke her by putting her on the outer courts,its going to be a war of attrition at the Open....Rena will weather the humiliating storm..its going to be a storm alright.

bertoltbrecht
Aug 24th, 2011, 01:18 AM
I'd bet good money that Serena and Sharapova are on opposite sides of the draw.

And I would bet with you. In addition, I would bet that Serena and Venus are drawn to meet in the early rounds. Trust, the powers that be DO NOT want Serena Williams to win their precious US Open title. But you know what, no matter what they throw at her, Serena will come out on top!

tennisbum79
Aug 24th, 2011, 01:22 AM
It wouldn't be an exception at Wimbledon because they do that at Wimbledon every year!
If USO does not do it and they have he discretion, it is a choice or did not see a need to do it.

No one is suggesting they should do it every year like Wimbledon, what is being argued is that the USO should do it when necessary, using their discretion.
Not to break the rules, but use the discretion at their disposal.

And in the estimation of who argued for special seeding, it was necessary this year.


It is not like there are calls every year to ask for special seeding.

bertoltbrecht
Aug 24th, 2011, 01:23 AM
I can almost guarantee that Serena will face either Bartoli or Zvonareva in the 3rd round. Why do I think that? Because they are the two that have beaten Serena in her comeback. Its also a no-brainer that Pironkova will be somewhere in Venus' half as well.

debopero
Aug 24th, 2011, 02:09 AM
If USO does not do it and they have he discretion, it is a choice or did not see a need to do it.

No one is suggesting they should do it every year like Wimbledon, what is being argued is that the USO should do it when necessary, using their discretion.
Not to break the rules, but use the discretion at their disposal.

And in the estimation of who argued for special seeding, it was necessary this year.


It is not like there are calls every year to ask for special seeding.

When is the last time that the USO used their discretion to bump a player up over 20 ranking positions? I don't think that it's ever happened, so to do that now for Serena would not seem objective.

tennisbum79
Aug 24th, 2011, 02:16 AM
When is the last time that the USO used their discretion to bump a player up over 20 ranking positions?
I don't know, but could it be because it has not been necessary?

Besides, I don't think everyone was necessarily arguing to put her in top 8.
As far as I know, only MJF explicitly mentioned top 8.


The just wanted a little higher seed, high teens or low 20's.

debopero
Aug 24th, 2011, 02:30 AM
I don't know, but could it be because it has not been necessary?

Besides, I don't think everyone was necessarily arguing to put her in top 8.
As far as I know, only MJF explicitly mentioned top 8.


The just wanted a little higher seed, high teens or low 20's.

That's a good point; they could have moved her up into the top 24 seeds. But then most people would complain that they didn't move her up far enough. I think that the USTA did the right thing by just kind of staying out of it and being "objective."

shoparound
Aug 24th, 2011, 02:33 AM
Well... the USTA gave Serena Alves and Shino, so there was really no chance they would do her any favors.

With that said I'd also LOVE to see her play Sharapova early. However the USTA will not give Serena that favor either.. :(

Gdsimmons
Aug 24th, 2011, 03:25 AM
I dont think anyone expected Serena to be bumped up. Even Serena. Im good with 28. Sucks for whoever gets her in R3

AnomyBC
Aug 24th, 2011, 04:31 AM
USO finalist seedings from 2000-2010

2010: 2 def 7

2009: WC def 9

2008: 4 def 2

2007: 1 def 4

2006: 3 def 2

2005: 4 def 12

2004: 9 def 6

2003: 2 def 1

2002: 1 def 2

2001: 4 def 10

2000: 3 def 2

So the chances of a player seeded outside the top 10 winning is REMOTE.

But it just happened in 2009? :confused:

Bijoux0021
Aug 24th, 2011, 05:56 AM
And I would bet with you. In addition, I would bet that Serena and Venus are drawn to meet in the early rounds. Trust, the powers that be DO NOT want Serena Williams to win their precious US Open title. But you know what, no matter what they throw at her, Serena will come out on top!

I can almost guarantee that Serena will face either Bartoli or Zvonareva in the 3rd round. Why do I think that? Because they are the two that have beaten Serena in her comeback. Its also a no-brainer that Pironkova will be somewhere in Venus' half as well.
I agree 100%.

Caesar1844
Aug 24th, 2011, 06:31 AM
So the chances of a player seeded outside the top 10 winning is REMOTE.
Seems like you don't really understand the word "chance".

The reason seeds outside the top 10 don't usually win Slams is because usually all the players with the ability, pedigree and form are ranked high enough to receive a seed. Serena's situation is more than a little unusual in the sense that her current ranking is far more reflective of how much tennis she has played in the last 12 months, rather than her true playing level right now in comparison to the other players on Tour. Thus, history is not exactly instructive.

It's true that a lower seed/no seed makes the tournament slightly more difficult in that you have to face better players earlier and more often. But it's not a massive factor. Who is capable of and likely to beat whom in a 1v1 match is far more important, and from that perspective Serena looks very, very good.

bandabou
Aug 24th, 2011, 07:00 AM
:lol: It's like what they said in Batman Begins..."It's not for saving you, it's for saving THEM". :lol:

Well, Serena...you know what you gotta do. Come ready to play and then we'll see how it goes.

SoBizarre
Aug 24th, 2011, 07:07 AM
Well, Serena...you know what you gotta do

http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/7333/theendt.jpg

bandabou
Aug 24th, 2011, 07:14 AM
Ah come on, don't turn it into a Wozniacki bash-fest. I must be one of those rare souls, who's not a fanboy wishing her to do well. :)

Serena? Yep, for me, she's one of the favourites. I'm just posting the stats (they like stats on here):)

no, no..don't cry now. It's what you get and deserve for saying that Serena's chances are remote. :rolleyes:

bandabou
Aug 24th, 2011, 07:15 AM
http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/7333/theendt.jpg

;)

bandabou
Aug 24th, 2011, 07:17 AM
I don't see why it's such a surprise/scandal. Just because she's Serena Williams it doesn't mean she deserves any special treatment. She's seeded where she belongs.

:secret: Don't come crying when she sends whoever your favorite crashing in round 3 or earlier. :devil:

Bijoux0021
Aug 24th, 2011, 07:44 AM
Well... the USTA gave Serena Alves and Shino, so there was really no chance they would do her any favors.

With that said I'd also LOVE to see her play Sharapova early. However the USTA will not give Serena that favor either.. :(
Exactly!

Caesar1844
Aug 24th, 2011, 08:29 AM
Incidentally, when's the last time a Slam seeded players not according to the rankings?

I seem to recall Wimbledon used to adjust the seedings based on players' grasscourt results, but that was a long time ago. I'm pretty sure it was before the Slams went from 16 to 32 seeds, so we're talking '90s.

Misty
Aug 24th, 2011, 09:00 AM
Serena's gonna hit the record "The lowest seeded GS-winner":oh:

mauresmofan
Aug 24th, 2011, 09:27 AM
Are you serious/kidding?

Venus!? :confused: :help: :confused:

I'm talking first or second round and even then Serena has a a 70-75% chance of winning it. Nobody has beaten Serena as many times as Venus and nobody knows Serena's game as much as Venus. That and the US Open has been a very good tournament for Venus and she doesn't just lose to anyone there, only the cream of the crop. With Kim out there's really nobody around who Serena will lose to on current form. I fully expect her to win the tournament and the only shadow of a doubt is that of unseeded big sis Venus LOOMING!

mac47
Aug 24th, 2011, 10:33 AM
USO finalist seedings from 2000-2010

2010: 2 def 7

...

So the chances of a player seeded outside the top 10 winning is REMOTE.


That's like saying that Azarenka has a 95% wining percentage against players ranked between 50-100, so she was the overwhelming favorite when facing Serena a few weeks ago. She wasn't, and everyone knew it.

HippityHop
Aug 24th, 2011, 12:25 PM
Well, I just hope that the toe is OK. ;)

spartanfan
Aug 24th, 2011, 01:08 PM
I can almost guarantee that Serena will face either Bartoli or Zvonareva in the 3rd round. Why do I think that? Because they are the two that have beaten Serena in her comeback. Its also a no-brainer that Pironkova will be somewhere in Venus' half as well.
Agree with you 100%

Tennis Observer
Aug 24th, 2011, 02:51 PM
[...] I don't think everyone was necessarily arguing to put her in top 8.
As far as I know, only MJF explicitly mentioned top 8.
Here are heads up from The USTA is spineless if Serena isn’t a top seed at the U.S. Open (http://sports.yahoo.com/tennis/blog/busted_racquet/post/The-USTA-is-spineless-if-Serena-isn-8217-t-a-to;_ylt=AgknGfgx4Clx7KYXIpmzAmM4v7YF?urn=ten-wp2616) [Chris Chase is a writer for Yahoo! Sports Shutdown Corner (NFL), Busted Racquet (tennis) and Fourth-Place Medal (Olympics). Also a part-time touring drummer with The Beach Boys]:
"Here are five possible scenarios for what the USTA could do with Serena's seeding:


Move Serena into Kim Clijsters' vacated No. 3 seed: This is the easiest, most logical way to solve the problem. Kim Clijsters isn't playing in the U.S. Open and won't be using her No. 3 seed.
Move Serena to a No. 2 seed based on her protected No. 1 ranking:Kamakshi Tandon (http://espn.go.com/tennis/story/_/id/6869034/tennis-where-serena-williams-seeded-flushing) first floated this idea on ESPN.com
Make Serena a No. 8 seed: Moving Serena up to No. 8 is a suggestion Chris Fowler and Darren Cahill came up with Sunday during the Western & Southern Open final and it's reasonable. This would mean Serena wouldn't play a top-seven seed until the quarterfinals, at the earliest. It's the most reasonable adjustment the USTA is likely to make.
Keep her at No. 28 or move her anywhere between No. 9 and No. 27: The former move is cowardly and the latter would be cowardly window dressing".


Should USO Give Serena A Top 8 SEED (http://www.tennisforum.com/showthread.php?t=442972) (thread opened by NA-GOAT):
[...]if I were the USTA, I would adjust Serena's SEED and move her to #8 ... then we have Caro, Vera, Kim, Vika, Na, Maria, Petra and Serena as the top 8 ... these 8 have proven that they are the favorites for Grand Slam titles :shrug:

and also I would move Venus to #32 :angel: instead of LOOMING

:shrug:

The just wanted a little higher seed, high teens or low 20's.
As a seeding between # 17-24 indicates a R3 match between a # 9-16 seed and Chris Chase labeled this "cowardly window dressing", may I ask you for some refences about this suggestion?

Ferg
Aug 24th, 2011, 03:07 PM
Marion is gonna draw her. I just know it.

Juju Nostalgique
Aug 24th, 2011, 03:15 PM
3rd round:

(1)
(28)

:drool:

madlove
Aug 24th, 2011, 03:40 PM
Serena has won GS as an unseeded player.
No big deal for her.

mykarma
Aug 24th, 2011, 04:14 PM
http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/7333/theendt.jpg

Well, I just hope that the toe is OK. ;)
I don't know, this morning on television that said Serena tore up the dance floor at Kim's wedding. :lol:

mykarma
Aug 24th, 2011, 04:20 PM
Here are heads up from The USTA is spineless if Serena isn’t a top seed at the U.S. Open (http://sports.yahoo.com/tennis/blog/busted_racquet/post/The-USTA-is-spineless-if-Serena-isn-8217-t-a-to;_ylt=AgknGfgx4Clx7KYXIpmzAmM4v7YF?urn=ten-wp2616) [Chris Chase is a writer for Yahoo! Sports Shutdown Corner (NFL), Busted Racquet (tennis) and Fourth-Place Medal (Olympics). Also a part-time touring drummer with The Beach Boys]:


Should USO Give Serena A Top 8 SEED (http://www.tennisforum.com/showthread.php?t=442972) (thread opened by NA-GOAT):



As a seeding between # 17-24 indicates a R3 match between a # 9-16 seed and Chris Chase labeled this "cowardly window dressing", may I ask you for some refences about this suggestion?
This is the part of the article that I liked.


That's utter and complete nonsense. Fine, it's the rules. The arbitrary rules based on an arbitrary rankings system. An arbitrary rankings system, I might add, that says Caroline Wozniacki (one win in three tournaments since Wimbledon) is the best player in the world. An arbitrary rankings system that most people bash every other week of the year. Extenuating circumstances sometimes arise and this qualifies. The No. 1 player in the world takes off 11 months with an injury, falls in the rankings, comes back, wins two straight tournaments on hard courts and enters the year's final Grand Slam as the prohibitive favorite. But, yeah, let's keep her as a No. 28 seed because there's no precedent for it and because it'd be unfair to seeds who have played mediocre tennis all year as compared to dominant tennis for a month. That makes sense.

garson
Sep 8th, 2011, 09:34 AM
You missed the point of the thread opening post.

It is not a surprise because the seeding reflect Serena s' ranking.
But given much of the talk this last week on this board, ESPN and Tennis channel and other publications, all hinting ta a higher seeding(MJF even pushed for top 8), there was an expectation that Serena would be bumped up.


It is with backdrop and actual seeding that the thread is trying to convey in the first post and title.


I would be curious. Does anyone know who decides on seedings or who's behind it? The WTA? The USO organizers?

G

CaroFanForever
Sep 8th, 2011, 09:55 AM
Seeding or no seeding, Caro should be considered the favourite. Serena hasn't perform that well in US Open for the last few years but Caro has improved by leaps and bounds. Caro will prove to the world here why she is the #1 seed. She deserves it.

ghost world
Sep 8th, 2011, 10:24 AM
Um, Serena won in '08, made it to a SF in '09, and missed it in '10 due to injury.

What are you talking about?

tennnisfannn
Sep 8th, 2011, 11:05 AM
Vika might still be in the draw!

Human Nature
Sep 8th, 2011, 11:16 AM
Seeding or no seeding, Caro should be considered the favourite. Serena hasn't perform that well in US Open for the last few years but Caro has improved by leaps and bounds. Caro will prove to the world here why she is the #1 seed. She deserves it.


:help::help:

LightWarrior
Sep 8th, 2011, 11:50 AM
Seeding or no seeding, Caro should be considered the favourite. Serena hasn't perform that well in US Open for the last few years but Caro has improved by leaps and bounds. Caro will prove to the world here why she is the #1 seed. She deserves it.

You shouldn't have signed in here. You dishonesty is stupid and boring.

Bijoux0021
Sep 8th, 2011, 11:53 AM
You shouldn't have signed in here. You dishonesty is stupid and boring.
This.

Melly Flew Us
Sep 8th, 2011, 04:45 PM
Seems like you don't really understand the word "chance".

The reason seeds outside the top 10 don't usually win Slams is because usually all the players with the ability, pedigree and form are ranked high enough to receive a seed. Serena's situation is more than a little unusual in the sense that her current ranking is far more reflective of how much tennis she has played in the last 12 months, rather than her true playing level right now in comparison to the other players on Tour. Thus, history is not exactly instructive.

It's true that a lower seed/no seed makes the tournament slightly more difficult in that you have to face better players earlier and more often. But it's not a massive factor. Who is capable of and likely to beat whom in a 1v1 match is far more important, and from that perspective Serena looks very, very good.

Caesar1844 you did a good job schooling that poster :)

garson
Sep 12th, 2011, 05:53 AM
USO finalist seedings from 2000-2010

2010: 2 def 7

2009: WC def 9

2008: 4 def 2

2007: 1 def 4

2006: 3 def 2

2005: 4 def 12

2004: 9 def 6

2003: 2 def 1

2002: 1 def 2

2001: 4 def 10

2000: 3 def 2

So the chances of a player seeded outside the top 10 winning is REMOTE.


When I watched how monstrous Serena had been at this year's US Open (2011):help::fiery::eek::rolleyes:, I figure things are getting predictable when she defeated Caroline Wozniacki;). I don't hate Serena, but there is part of her that I despise:tape:.

It's time to add to the list:
9 def 28.

Congrats to Sam Stosur:bounce::). The higher seed prevails somehow.

G.