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debopero
Aug 23rd, 2011, 05:13 AM
???

Purple_Rain
Aug 23rd, 2011, 05:18 AM
Serena. Novak's retirement at Cincy raises a lot of questions; plus, Federer has a mental edge against him.

Fighterpova
Aug 23rd, 2011, 05:19 AM
Novak obviously. He has a 56-2 record this year and has won basically every tournament he played.
If he was healthy he would have won Cincinnati too.

I have a feeling this is going to be just like in 2009 when Federer and Serena were HUGE favorites to win this,because both have won 2 Slams going into the US Open, but the winners were totally unexpected :angel:

Frontin
Aug 23rd, 2011, 05:19 AM
I say Novak since he is 57-2 for this year.

But Serena has won this title three times so expecting her to win it again.

Fighterpova
Aug 23rd, 2011, 05:20 AM
Serena, easily. Novak's retirement at Cincy raises a lot of questions; plus, Federer has a mental edge against him.

What mental barrier? Djokovic was nder huge pressure in that match because he was supposed to become no.1 and didn't.

Federer is so bad on hard courts these days, he can lose to any ballbasher or anyone who is playing good tennis :sad:

Plus he already lost 3 times to Djokovic on hard courts this year :weirdo:

Besides, both of them retired from Cincy to rest for the USO.

Brad[le]y.
Aug 23rd, 2011, 05:22 AM
Novak: he's already won 2 slams this year along with the ATP #1 ranking :shrug:

Serena's making a name for her self though.

justineheninfan
Aug 23rd, 2011, 05:29 AM
Serena since Djokovic was both injured and fatigued this past weekend making him more vurnerable. Both are heavy favorites and will win the U.S Open though.

Purple_Rain
Aug 23rd, 2011, 05:38 AM
What mental barrier? Djokovic was nder huge pressure in that match because he was supposed to become no.1 and didn't.

Federer is so bad on hard courts these days, he can lose to any ballbasher or anyone who is playing good tennis :sad:

Plus he already lost 3 times to Djokovic on hard courts this year :weirdo:

Besides, both of them retired from Cincy to rest for the USO.

Djokovic still faces huge pressure. Federer does too (eight consecutive years with at least one GS; 29 straight QFs), but he's proven he can handle it in the past. He'll be out for revenge after last year's USO. Plus, he'll have the crowd pulling for him.

Serena's retirement was a strategic tank, whereas Djokovic's was more of a concern. Of course he'll cruise through week 1 at the Open, but will he have enough in the tank in the second week after having played so many matches this summer? His fitness has been a concern in the past. Federer, on the other hand, is fresh and has a game that lends itself to easier victories.

VeeJJ
Aug 23rd, 2011, 05:39 AM
Serena, just because there is no one else who can really take it away from her. Novak on the other hand, he could lose to Federer and no one would be too surprised. If Serena loses to anyone, everyone will be surprised.

TennisArt
Aug 23rd, 2011, 05:45 AM
I say Novak easily

Reptilia
Aug 23rd, 2011, 06:34 AM
Djoko. It's close though

justineheninfan
Aug 23rd, 2011, 06:42 AM
The only one who could possibly have beaten an in form Serena at the Open this year is Clijsters and she isnt even playing. An in form Djokovic can still possibly lose to Federer or Murray who are both playing.

darrinbaker00
Aug 23rd, 2011, 06:42 AM
I voted for Serena. Yes, the Djoker is 57-2, but he still has Nadal and that Swiss guy to deal with. If Serena has been keeping up with her training since she left Cincinnati, I just don't see anyone challenging her.

Reptilia
Aug 23rd, 2011, 06:45 AM
The only one who could possibly have beaten an in form Serena at the Open this year is Clijsters and she isnt even playing. An in form Djokovic can still possibly lose to Federer or Murray who are both playing.

No way would Novak lose to Murray in a slam. :lol:

thegreendestiny
Aug 23rd, 2011, 06:48 AM
HoBAk

Brad[le]y.
Aug 23rd, 2011, 06:48 AM
The only one who could possibly have beaten an in form Serena at the Open this year is Clijsters and she isnt even playing. An in form Djokovic can still possibly lose to Federer or Murray who are both playing.lol no.

AnomyBC
Aug 23rd, 2011, 06:48 AM
Still Djokovic for me. I don't think he's badly injured. He was probably just being cautious with his retirement because he didn't want to screw himself up for the US Open.

And as for Serena, she's definitely the favorite, but nothing happening in women's tennis would surprise me at this point :shrug:

Inger67
Aug 23rd, 2011, 06:55 AM
I would say Serena just because of Novak's shoulder and fatigue problem he had in Cinci. Although I think both will win.

skanky~skanketta
Aug 23rd, 2011, 07:07 AM
Serena. I don't really see anyone beating her. If she loses, it will most likely be early on. For Djoko, I'm certain he'll cruise through, but 2nd week at a slam bring about a players who are inspired. If he faces Tsonga and Tsonga is on song, he could be screwed.

justineheninfan
Aug 23rd, 2011, 07:19 AM
lol no.

Djokovic only leads Murray 6-4 in career head to head, and they have only played once in a slam. He was spanking him in their match this past weekend, even if Djokovic was injured. Why would he have no chance.

Anyway like I said I still fully expect both Serena and Djokovic to win the U.S Open.

bandabou
Aug 23rd, 2011, 07:22 AM
Djokovic...men play best 5, thus it's trickier to get knocked out. Serena? one bad day, an opponent catches fire...and boom she could be gone.

Bronx19
Aug 23rd, 2011, 07:25 AM
Serena.

Simply because the WTA is piss weak.

Curtos07
Aug 23rd, 2011, 07:26 AM
Serena. Novak's retirement at Cincy raises a lot of questions; plus, Federer has a mental edge against him.

:lol: The past years results says otherwise.

dragonflies
Aug 23rd, 2011, 07:53 AM
It's a close call. On paper it would be Serena as a stronger favorite because she already won the event 3 times where Djoko has never won there.



On form Djoker has an impressive record this year, and seemed unbeatable, but he is also prone to injury and based on the way it has happened, won't be a surprise if an upset is due. On the men side has more depth and 5 set matches at the Slam would take more toll on his body more comparing to the women's game, considering the number of matches that he already played this year.

Novak has 3 players that leads him in h2h Fed, Nadal, Tsonga and they can beat him if he is not up to the task. Murray and Del Potro can possibly make some surprise. On the women side, none of the others contenders has a positive head to head against Serena.

Besides Serena, the other top players are not playing their best at the moment like Maria, Vika, Na, Petra, Vera, Caro, Venus. All are playing lousy tennis, slumping or sort of injury at the moment.

Anyway, comparison is just for fun and should not be taken seriously. A Serena or Djokovic's upset at the US Open is gonna shake the ground and considered the biggest news.

young_gunner913
Aug 23rd, 2011, 08:01 AM
Serena has shown that she's come back with a determination and focus and when she's working hard, it's going to be tough for whoever she faces. Serena's comeback at the USO is huge on so many different levels and it's time for her to show what the world is waiting to see from her, a fallen champion once again rise to the top of their game. Serena doesn't need to scream and shout that she's the best, if she's confident in herself, everybody will notice.

Fantasy Hero
Aug 23rd, 2011, 08:07 AM
Djoko...we all know how WTA works, it's always the same random mess :haha: i expect some random players on bad slumps to cut big heads and then get trashed on the following round in Dulko style :rocker2:

babuska6
Aug 23rd, 2011, 08:09 AM
Novak. If he is fit and he is able to recover from shoulder injury until US Open, he can acquire US Open title quite easily. Murray might be a strong competitor, but his mental weakness doesn't allow him to play his best when he is playing the most important matches. Federer is out of form and Nadal as well. Mardy Fish is in good form,but I don't suppose he could win in NY.
On the other hand, Serena has harder competition in WTA Tour. Mainly, sometimes she is a bit inconsistent in matches and she is able to have troubles with players we don't suppose, p.e. Zheng,Hradecka or Safarova. Sharapova is also on good shape and she can be the biggest threat for Serena. So I say Novak.

dragonflies
Aug 23rd, 2011, 08:17 AM
Novak. If he is fit and he is able to recover from shoulder injury until US Open, he can acquire US Open title quite easily. Murray might be a strong competitor, but his mental weakness doesn't allow him to play his best when he is playing the most important matches. Federer is out of form and Nadal as well. Mardy Fish is in good form,but I don't suppose he could win in NY.
On the other hand, Serena has harder competition in WTA Tour. Mainly, sometimes she is a bit inconsistent in matches and she is able to have troubles with players we don't suppose, p.e. Zheng,Hradecka or Safarova. Sharapova is also on good shape and she can be the biggest threat for Serena. So I say Novak.



Have you been watching tennis in the past 7 years? Did you also watch the Cinci finals?

Raiden
Aug 23rd, 2011, 08:27 AM
The only one who could possibly have beaten an in form Serena at the Open this year is Clijsters and she isnt even playing. An in form Djokovic can still possibly lose to Federer or Murray who are both playing.Haha! No he won't lose

- Fed is too old now and
- Murray at his best in slams = still a mug


So it looks like Djoker is gonna have it easier than Serena on his way to USO victory at the moment ... except unless some other guy has recovered-enough from his longstanding injury and is ready to pounce and whoop Djoker's and everybody else's ass


https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-wsSKOHYPXyM/Tf4SB_L27XI/AAAAAAAADpo/a2iQRHPrGpg/s200/delpo.jpg

Sombrerero loco
Aug 23rd, 2011, 08:39 AM
nole, as he won everything he played this year

QuietPlease
Aug 23rd, 2011, 08:50 AM
Serena. Seems red hot and she's won it 3 times before.
Novak never won it, plus his Cincy retirement is disurbing news.

doooma6816
Aug 23rd, 2011, 09:03 AM
Serena should win this...of course she can lose to someone but she hasn't got serious opponent now. Masha plays club level tennis when she faces her...no Kim or Justine. Maybe Venus, but it'll be miracle.
Novak can lose to Federer(if he cares like at RG)...or Nadal will show up with great form out of nowhere.

Kworb
Aug 23rd, 2011, 09:05 AM
Serena definitely. I think Federer is still the favorite for the US Open.

Fighterpova
Aug 23rd, 2011, 10:51 AM
Try asking this on MTF and the poll will look a whole lot different :oh:

Fighterpova
Aug 23rd, 2011, 10:52 AM
Federer of course the favorite even though he keeps losing convincingly to ballbashers and mugs on hard courts :rolleyes:

winlaw
Aug 23rd, 2011, 10:54 AM
Serena, while I can't see Novak not winning he still has more threats than Serena. If Serena didn't win I'd be shocked.

Julian.
Aug 23rd, 2011, 12:51 PM
Novak Djokovic :bowdown:

BlueTrees
Aug 23rd, 2011, 01:50 PM
No.1vak :)

tennisbum79
Aug 23rd, 2011, 02:12 PM
Very close.

Novak
Before these past 2 weeks, I would have voted for Novak w/o hesitation, but now I am not sure.
Apparently he had shoulder problem, and it seems like he had trouble breathing.
Can he overcome that in a week and be 100% when the USO start?
Probably, but I am skeptical.

Serena
As for Serena, I still have questions about her East-West (lateral) movement and sudden start out of the gate.
I know she did not have to do much of this in her last 2 tournaments, but the few chances she got to do it, I was not impressed.
I know, the new Serena is playing a more efficient tennis energy wise, she has intittuted an energy conservation program in her game, but as a fan of her, I am having trouble adjusting to that.
My fear is, she might get surprised by a scrub by the time she starts raising her level, she might be playing catch-up.
Of course, based on these past 2 weeks, one can say this fear is unfounded.
But fans have irrational fears regarding their fave, and I am one of them.


NO VOTE at this moment.
I will re-evaluate both after 2 rounds at the USO, and vote then.

@little levity
Aug 23rd, 2011, 02:24 PM
According to the bookies: Serena

Kworb
Aug 23rd, 2011, 02:26 PM
Federer of course the favorite even though he keeps losing convincingly to ballbashers and mugs on hard courts :rolleyes:
He's only been beaten twice at the US Open the past seven years, both in extremely close five set matches. :shrug: It is his best Slam. And Slam Roger is not the same as M1000 Roger.

tripwires
Aug 23rd, 2011, 02:28 PM
Federer of course the favorite even though he keeps losing convincingly to ballbashers and mugs on hard courts :rolleyes:

16 Grand Slams including 5 US Opens. :shrug:

For the record, Roger didn't retire in Cincy (he never retires); he unfortunately lost to Tomas Berdych.

Linguae^
Aug 23rd, 2011, 02:30 PM
As much as I'm a big fan of Novak, I must say Serena. I can't see who can seriously endanger her. :confused:

tennisbum79
Aug 23rd, 2011, 02:32 PM
16 Grand Slams including 5 US Opens. :shrug:

For the record, Roger didn't retire in Cincy (he never retires); he unfortunately lost to Tomas Berdych.
Federer also lost to Tsonga before that.


There was a time when Federer only lost to a select few of players , Nalbadian, Gaudio, Nadal.
Now, anyone has a chance against him.

tripwires
Aug 23rd, 2011, 02:38 PM
Federer also lost to Tsonga before that.


There was a time when Federer only lost to a select few of players , Nalbadian, Gaudio, Nadal.
Now, anyone has a chance against him.

Unfortunately, I know Rog lost to Tsonga before that. :lol:

He's also 30, so...

Not saying I agree he's the favourite; just saying that anyone would be justified thinking that he's the favourite considering his record, etc.

tennisbum79
Aug 23rd, 2011, 02:43 PM
Unfortunately, I know Rog lost to Tsonga before that. :lol:

He's also 30, so...

Not saying I agree he's the favourite; just saying that anyone would be justified thinking that he's the favourite considering his record, etc.
OK Then I would disagree with that "anyone".

S/he could be justified in thinking Federer might be a favorite if his slump has just started; but it has been going one for almost a year now.
His confidence has been shaken, even when you hear him talk now, he is not the same guy: That mixture of cockiness and gentlemanly demeanor has gone now

Adrian.
Aug 23rd, 2011, 02:45 PM
Novak for sure ;)

tripwires
Aug 23rd, 2011, 03:00 PM
OK Then I would disagree with that "anyone".

S/he could be justified in thinking Federer might be a favorite if his slump has just started; but it has been going one for almost a year now.
His confidence has been shaken, even when you hear him talk now, he is not the same guy: That mixture of cockiness and gentlemanly demeanor has gone now

I think, and I say this as one of his loyal and dedicated fans, that he's in the beginning stages of his decline. At the same time, how do you count out a guy who's won 16 grand slams and almost won a 6th consecutive US Open? I don't know, I think you only count him out after he hangs up his racquet. So I don't blame people for thinking he's the favourite. I definitely hope they're right. :)

Lord Choc Ice
Aug 23rd, 2011, 03:21 PM
Serena. :)

A week out from the open Djoker has a shoulder injury :mad:.

darrinbaker00
Aug 23rd, 2011, 03:29 PM
Federer also lost to Tsonga before that.


There was a time when Federer only lost to a select few of players , Nalbadian, Gaudio, Nadal.
Now, anyone has a chance against him.

Anyone can be beaten at any time. Please don't delude yourself into thinking otherwise.

tennisbum79
Aug 23rd, 2011, 03:38 PM
Anyone can be beaten at any time. Please don't delude yourself into thinking otherwise.
That is such a generic and blend statement!

From your premise, this thread has no reason to exist.


The thread is intended for posters to use their best judgement and assessment and quantify chances of players at winning.
To go through that exercise, you have to think that the player picked to win has lower probability of losing than then one not picked, to stay close to your language.
Or the player picker has higher probably of winning than the player not picked, my preferred way of putting it

Cp6uja
Aug 23rd, 2011, 03:42 PM
2.25 Novak Djokovic
2.38 Serena Williams
I agree with You. Close call with just slice advantage in Novak's favor.

Chrissie-fan
Aug 23rd, 2011, 03:45 PM
I think, and I say this as one of his loyal and dedicated fans, that he's in the beginning stages of his decline. At the same time, how do you count out a guy who's won 16 grand slams and almost won a 6th consecutive US Open? I don't know, I think you only count him out after he hangs up his racquet. So I don't blame people for thinking he's the favourite. I definitely hope they're right. :)
He's in decline, but there are days when he's still close to his best. It's a matter of if he'll have one of those days when he's scheduled to play the other contenders and whether he'll at that point will still be in the tournament.

dsanders06
Aug 23rd, 2011, 03:50 PM
On paper, Nole is clearly MUCH further ahead of the men's field than Serena is ahead of the women's.

With that said, I really see Roger taking the title - he's shown before that he's the only male player who can come into a Slam in poor form and suddenly pull his best tennis out of the bag (e.g. the USO in 2008). Novak's injury probably isn't serious, but he seems emotionally exhausted from his season, and I could definitely see Roger beating him, seeing as he beat him on clay (which should be Novak's best surface in that match-up) this year. Rafa will probably lose to someone like Fish, Tsonga or Del Potro in the 4th round/Quarters. And Murray...LOL.

MB.
Aug 23rd, 2011, 04:23 PM
Nole and I can't believe that people even think it's close.

Excelscior
Aug 23rd, 2011, 04:25 PM
It would be priceless, and only fitting if neither one of these two won the US Open, after this decadent post/proclamation (I know it wasn't a prediction).

Lol. Stay tuned.

I think Nole was a virtual lock, before he got tired/sore, and lost to Murray (that's why Serena dropped out the other day, rather than play Stosur and/or continue like Nole. But for some reason she received less criticism than he did, though he took the loss on the court, and she didn't) on the weekend. He also lost some of his aura, and sense of inevitability with the media, after his loss.

Now, I would still have to say his chances are better than Serena's (especially if we don't know if she can win 7 matches in a row at this point, form and health wise, after she got tired in Cincy, post P. Embolism), based on form, and their overall years.

Though Nole has more people that could beat him (Rafa, Roger, Murray, possibly Berdych, Monfis, Fish, Gulbis?), compared to Serena's (2-4 players, unless she's on bad form), I would still give him the edge, based on his year, form and health/condition, over Serena.

We'll see though (from both of them, and their overall health and possible fitness or lingering injuries)?

Its' all a crap shoot!

Wert.
Aug 23rd, 2011, 04:38 PM
Serena cause Novak is injured.

serenafan08
Aug 23rd, 2011, 04:47 PM
I would say Novak. The season he's had is just off the charts. Looks like his body is finally starting to catch up to him. Serena is without question the favorite on the women's side...but we all know it's how the draw falls. Seeding won't be an issue for her; she see it as having to win 7 matches, doesn't matter who she plays.