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justineheninfan
Aug 22nd, 2011, 10:03 PM
With her recent win Sharapova now takes over #1 in the race ahead of Wozniacki. She is looking very good to end the year #1 for the first time even if she doesnt win the U.S Open and ends the year slamless (which I think she will, as I fully expect Serena to win the Open). Kvitova and Na are too inconsistent to come from behind and pass Maria most likely. Wozniacki is definitely not going to outperform Maria the remainder of the year. Serena simply wont have enough time to get to year end #1 even if she wins every remaining event she enters.

madmax
Aug 22nd, 2011, 10:05 PM
If she does well in New York she will most probably will...but I'm not excluding Azarenka and her steady grinding game yet

Sam.
Aug 22nd, 2011, 10:07 PM
Probably when we see the level of the other "top" players right now :o

justineheninfan
Aug 22nd, 2011, 10:08 PM
Azarenka is over 1000 points back. That is alot of points, more than the value of a top Premier title, and about the difference between a slam champion and slam semifinal. I dont see Azarenka who wont win the U.S Open making that up. Azarenka does play hard every tournament, but so does Maria, and Victoria is more prone to retiring from matches. Azarenka also has trouble beating top players once she meets them in tournaments. Maria has trouble beating Serena, but has a fighting chance vs anyone else.

faboozadoo15
Aug 22nd, 2011, 10:09 PM
Doesn't Wozniacki need to win at least 300 pts per tournament to even add to her total?

Excelscior
Aug 22nd, 2011, 10:10 PM
Wow!

You would actually write a post like this, after that ugly shit fest that Martha put on yesterday with Jankovic? Ohhhhh K.

We'll be sure to frame those words for you after the Open, or at the end of the year, since you have such clairvoyance (especially regarding Na, Kvitova, Wozniaki, Vika, and the rest of the ladies bunch).

Thanks for the boastful Jinx.

Sombrerero loco
Aug 22nd, 2011, 10:11 PM
please wozniacki save us from that...

Simugna Help
Aug 22nd, 2011, 10:14 PM
So a "not real #1" replaced by another player who grinds her way into that spot? Yay.

Miracle Worker
Aug 22nd, 2011, 10:29 PM
C'mon Maria :rocker2:

She won't be worse world leader than Wozniacki. At least she doesn't collect points everywhere.

NeoZod19
Aug 22nd, 2011, 10:30 PM
Maria is having problem beating Azaranka and for sure Serena. I think Serena is in her head!!!!! Maria needs to take it easy and go with the flow with a new plan. She has nothing to loose coz she is loosing playing as is.

Stonerpova
Aug 22nd, 2011, 10:39 PM
Maria is having problem beating Azaranka and for sure Serena. I think Serena is in her head!!!!! Maria needs to take it easy and go with the flow with a new plan. She has nothing to loose coz she is loosing playing as is.

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theFutureisNow
Aug 22nd, 2011, 10:45 PM
Doesn't Wozniacki need to win at least 300 pts per tournament to even add to her total?

Basically yes.

Except for the US Open, Beijing and YEC, Caro must win 280 points to gain a single ranking point.

Maria is the only top ranked player to still have two zeroes.

For this reason Maria has a lot bigger lead over Wozniacki than just the simple numbers seem to indicate.

Wiggly
Aug 22nd, 2011, 10:55 PM
Even if Sharapova gets to #1 without a Slam, the media won't go for the jugular.

Given the choice between her and Azarenka, the WTA would vote on an unanimous vote for Maria.
It doesn't work that way but still.

doomsday
Aug 22nd, 2011, 10:56 PM
http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lcwcetersV1qzgnua.gif

:lol: Serena is in everyone's head but it's definitely true that she is way more in Maria's one. I'm pretty sure it's because of Serena that Maria is going for more on her second serves.

pav
Aug 22nd, 2011, 11:10 PM
I whip in for a break, and shit! Pre hatch chicken counting is rife!

gc-spurs
Aug 22nd, 2011, 11:17 PM
http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lcwcetersV1qzgnua.gif

Mate, this is needed more often.

dragonflies
Aug 22nd, 2011, 11:26 PM
With her recent win Sharapova now takes over #1 in the race ahead of Wozniacki. She is looking very good to end the year #1 for the first time even if she doesnt win the U.S Open and ends the year slamless (which I think she will, as I fully expect Serena to win the Open). Kvitova and Na are too inconsistent to come from behind and pass Maria most likely. Wozniacki is definitely not going to outperform Maria the remainder of the year. Serena simply wont have enough time to get to year end #1 even if she wins every remaining event she enters.




There are still one grandslam which offers 2,000 pts for the winner, Tier1s Bejing and Tokyo with around 900 each, YEC 1,500pts to be played. Also there are other tournaments offering ranking points. That's a lot of points are still available for grabs and it's too early to say anyone has a clear advantage at this point.


The race is just a race, so it's expected to have different leaders at certain points. For now, players that have good shots of being year end # 1 are Maria, Na, Vika, Petra,Caro all have about equal chance to get ahead depending on how they are going to perform, with Vera has an outside chance. It's all depend how the draws at the US Open line up, who have easy/ hard draws to advance. IMO, Na, Maria, Caro looking to do well with their form atm, unless they have killer draws (like having Serena in their sections, or running into a dangerous floating players on their good days).



Regarding the bold part : nothing to be certain that is definitely going to be happened. Also, Serena is an overwhelmed favorite, but it's no guarantee she is going to win.
Against any player, she is a favorite, but against the whole field, = winning the whole thing, she is appeared to be an underdog.

VishaalMaria
Aug 22nd, 2011, 11:54 PM
Good. And I hope she does.

Steven.
Aug 22nd, 2011, 11:59 PM
Good. And I hope she does.

This isn't sarcasm right...

nelsondan
Aug 23rd, 2011, 12:05 AM
Wow!

You would actually write a post like this, after that ugly shit fest that Martha put on yesterday with Jankovic? Ohhhhh K.

.

I thought the shit fest, as you call it, had some value for Maria. She has let weather conditions, espcecially wind, mess her up--always admitting it was the same for both players. She did not let it dictate the result, yesterday.

When her serve is a little off, it tends to get worse, feed on itself, affect other shots, and she is done. She made a lot of errors, but found a way to control it.

Last year a rain delay supposedly did her in, so she probably felt deja vu. She found a way to overcome it.

Maria has some pretty substantial weapons...they are not always 100 percent, but little by little, she is finding ways of not letting her mental attitude cost her matches.

She established that she is very strong, with a lot still left towards the end of a long match.

There are no guarantees for anyone in the U.S. open. There are no guarantees that Maria cannot win it.

VishaalMaria
Aug 23rd, 2011, 12:07 AM
This isn't sarcasm right...

No.

It'd be nice for her and the WTA, for someone to have an attacking game and a good mentality on them (bar her going for that second serve all the time).

And I hope she clobbers Azarenka the next time the meet.

dsanders06
Aug 23rd, 2011, 12:14 AM
Wow!

You would actually write a post like this, after that ugly shit fest that Martha put on yesterday with Jankovic? Ohhhhh K.

We'll be sure to frame those words for you after the Open, or at the end of the year, since you have such clairvoyance (especially regarding Na, Kvitova, Wozniaki, Vika, and the rest of the ladies bunch).

Thanks for the boastful Jinx.

Go AWAY Sluggahjells.

Doubt she'll end the year #1. I keep saying this, but I just don't see her playing at all after the US Open is done... she's already played so many matches this year (for her standards), and any doctor would advise a spoortsperson who's had rotator cuff surgery to not play/practise at all for atleast 2-3 months each year, so as not to put too much stress on the shoulder (which is always going to be fragile). She might be willing to defy medical advice if she's targeting a Slam, but I doubt she'd do it just for Beijing and Tokyo, or that she'd particularly care about ending the year at #1.

Azarenka will probably take the #1 spot by doing 'a Wozniacki' - make the semis at the US Open before doing the Tokyo/Beijing double.

Fighterpova
Aug 23rd, 2011, 12:39 AM
I would prefer Maria to be ranked no.2-4 and not no.@1. It's always a lot of pressure when you're no.1...

Bonfire
Aug 23rd, 2011, 12:42 AM
yes, someone else come and take this extra pressure off Caroline please

Stonerpova
Aug 23rd, 2011, 01:16 AM
No.

It'd be nice for her and the WTA, for someone to have an attacking game and a good mentality on them (bar her going for that second serve all the time).

And I hope she clobbers Azarenka the next time the meet.

I'm liking you more and more :)

Agreed on all counts. It would be nice to see Maria get the #1 ranking the old fashioned way (by winning a major) but if her steady play gets her there than it's really not her fault. I feel like she'd handle the pressure more than the last four or so women to get to #1.

Excelscior
Aug 23rd, 2011, 01:19 AM
I love how people just randomly say (almost by rote) "I don't expect Kvitova to get the year end #1, cause she's too inconsistent".

I try to avoid responding to these sort of things, cause there enough people on TF who say a lot of things, whether they are true, or make sense or not. But I'll take the bait here. OK "Petra's Inconsistent?" So let' see?:

1) Petra leads 2011 in winning percentage.

2) She leads in 2011 $$ earnings.

3) She's 2nd in total titles-with 4 (plus another premier finals appearance).

4) She's third in most wins.

5) She's 3rd in the race for 2011 (was leading up until the weekend).

6) She's won 4 out of 5 finals she's appeared in 2011, and counting.

7) She won her titles in January, February, May, and the end of June 2011, for evenness.

8) And she's done all this by entering only 14 tournaments this year. Just 14!

So I'm not exactly sure what people mean by that ("Inconsistent")? That type of thinking sounds more like a prediction, harping on the past or wishful thinking to me. Can we let the year progress? Lol.

If Petra just follows what she's done so far this year, she'll end the year with 6-8 titles. Martha would end the year, for example with 3-4 (especially considering she just won one, and Petra is arguably due).

Petra may not be as consistent as some people want/expect her to be. Who is though (especially compared to Petra's season)? But she's far from inconsistent this year, when she's leading in so many areas (or is within the top 3 in most major categories for 2011). But if you think she is; what does that say about your fave, who's year pales in comparison to hers in so many areas?

As for her post Wimbledon performances? With out even getting into any excuses; if you check the record of most 1st time grand slam winners, the overwhelming majority of them struggle their next several tournaments, and they overwhelmingly don't win their subsequent grand slam. Petra's only played two post Wimbledon tournaments, at that.

And I'm not counting Petra out on the next Major either. I wouldn't be surprised if she won the US Open.

If she plays well early; watch out!! That's her pattern.

PS: I can give many reasons why I think Sharapova won't win the YEC (only 2 titles so far this year, horrible serve, unforced error's, double faults, her last match, 3 yr slam drought, Kvitova, Serena, Azarenka, Wozniaki, need for perfect draw, etc.), but I'll let the year play out to demonstrate that, unlike Sharapova fans.

May the best woman win!!

Inger67
Aug 23rd, 2011, 01:24 AM
:rolleyes:

Note: Not to the poster above, I actually think he's right. But to this thread title and thread in general.

SAISAI-GOAT
Aug 23rd, 2011, 01:38 AM
LOL don't Sharapova fans ever learn to not count their chickens before they hatch :tape:

I still remember them saying Maria looking good to complete her career GS at RG :facepalm:

and then Maria looking good for her 2nd Wimbledon title :facepalm:

and now Maria looking good to end 2011 #1 ... I guess it could happen but it would be the result of alot of easy draws :oh:

spencercarlos
Aug 23rd, 2011, 02:07 AM
Wow!

You would actually write a post like this, after that ugly shit fest that Martha put on yesterday with Jankovic? Ohhhhh K.

We'll be sure to frame those words for you after the Open, or at the end of the year, since you have such clairvoyance (especially regarding Na, Kvitova, Wozniaki, Vika, and the rest of the ladies bunch).

Thanks for the boastful Jinx.
Well JHF is the ultimate TROLL bandwagoneer. Lask week it was Serena's being the GOAT on hardcourts, now this :lol:

Excelscior
Aug 23rd, 2011, 02:22 AM
Well JHF is the ultimate bandwagoneer. Lask week it was Serena's being the GOAT on hardcourts, now this :lol:

Oh. Ok. I see.

Our good friend LTV Tennis (from that epic Monica, Steffi thread), says Justine Henin fan is the same person as Buscemi, and says he/she just likes to start trouble, and debate. Lol.

LTV Tennis said they discovered that at other sites. I don't know. But I did think about that, before I responded (and I kinda noticed what you said to). Lol. :confused: :) :confused:

Thx

justineheninfan
Aug 23rd, 2011, 03:21 AM
Well JHF is the ultimate TROLL bandwagoneer. Lask week it was Serena's being the GOAT on hardcourts, now this :lol:

You are such a retarded moron it is hard to put into words how incredibly stupid and pathetic you are. :lol: I am simply pointing out Maria is looking likely to end the year #1, nothing more. That in no way implies she is anywhere near a healthy Serena in current ability, or is even building her up other than making an observation. Now go back to your rock where you dream of Sabatini as a 30 slam winner.

skanky~skanketta
Aug 23rd, 2011, 03:59 AM
Another slamless #1. These days its a player has to aim for 1 goal. Do they want to be #1, or do they want to win a slam.

justineheninfan
Aug 23rd, 2011, 04:13 AM
Another slamless #1. These days its a player has to aim for 1 goal. Do they want to be #1, or do they want to win a slam.

If Maria doesnt win the U.S Open I consider it a case of the lesser of the recent evils, so am happy in that it is an improvement. Yes it would be another #1 who hasnt won a slam in the last 12 months. Atleast in this case it would be a #1 who has won 3 slams, who has done very well in the last 2 slams (possibly the last 3 if she does well at the Open) and won Premier titles. Definitely an improvement on Wozniacki. Of course it would be nice if Serena could get back there, or someone like Na could win tournaments other than the slams and get it, but the former will have to wait awhile, and the latter might never happen.

Mind you if Maria wins the U.S Open, which I dont think will happen but could if Serena falters somewhere along the line, she would be a fully worthy #1.

On another note it shows the cluelessness of some people that anyone would think I am a Sharapova fan.

Stonerpova
Aug 23rd, 2011, 04:58 AM
I love how people just randomly say (almost by rote) "I don't expect Kvitova to get the year end #1, cause she's too inconsistent".

I try to avoid responding to these sort of things, cause there enough people on TF who say a lot of things, whether they are true, or make sense or not. Ok Inconsistent? So let' see:

Petra leads 2011 in winning percentage,

She leads in 2011 $$ earnings,

She's 2nd in total titles-with 4 (plus another premier finals appearance),

She's third in most wins, 3rd in the race for 2011 (was leading up until the weekend),

She's won 4 out of 5 finals she's appeared in 2011, and counting.

She won her titles in January, February, May, and the end of June.

And she's done all this by entering only 14 tournaments this year. So I'm not exactly sure what people mean by that? That type of thinking sounds more like a prediction, harping on the past or wishful thinking to me. Lol.

If Petra just follows what she's been doing this year, she'll end the year with 6-8 titles. Martha would end the year with 3-4 (especially considering she just won one, and Petra is arguably due).

Petra may not be as consistent as some people want/expect her to be. Who is? She's far from inconsistent this year, when she's leading in so many areas (or is within the top 3 in most major categories for 2011).

As far as her post Wimbledon performances? With out even getting into any excuses; if you check the record of most 1st time grand slam winners, the overwhelming majority of them struggle, their next several tournaments, and they overwhelmingly don't win the subsequent grand slam.

And I'm not counting Petra out on the next one. I wouldn't be surprised if she won the US Open. If she plays well early; watch out!

People say she's inconsistent because she sandwiched wins in the Paris Masters and Madrid with early losses in Indian Wells and Miami. She later on wins Wimbledon and then loses early in Toronto and Cincy (both times to Petkovic). She's streaky. She'll have periods of great play followed by periods of lousy play.

Bonfire
Aug 23rd, 2011, 04:59 AM
This is excluding the possibility of Caroline coming up with a great USO and the rest of HC tourneys run, which I believe is still possible despite Woz's past few weeks:shrug:

Frontin
Aug 23rd, 2011, 05:01 AM
Who cares if Maria doesn't win a slam this year and gets to #1.

At least she has 3 in her career.

Wow, can't believe I'm defending Maria Sharapova.

Stamp Paid
Aug 23rd, 2011, 05:02 AM
Would she really be any better than Woz?

HRHoliviasmith
Aug 23rd, 2011, 05:06 AM
please caro, get it together. we would never hear the end of it.

DOUBLEFIST
Aug 23rd, 2011, 06:07 AM
If Maria doesnt win the U.S Open I consider it a case of the lesser of the recent evils, so am happy in that it is an improvement. Yes it would be another #1 who hasnt won a slam in the last 12 months. Atleast in this case it would be a #1 who has won 3 slams, who has done very well in the last 2 slams (possibly the last 3 if she does well at the Open) and won Premier titles. Definitely an improvement on Wozniacki. Of course it would be nice if Serena could get back there, or someone like Na could win tournaments other than the slams and get it, but the former will have to wait awhile, and the latter might never happen.

Mind you if Maria wins the U.S Open, which I dont think will happen but could if Serena falters somewhere along the line, she would be a fully worthy #1.

On another note it shows the cluelessness of some people that anyone would think I am a Sharapova fan.
Agreed. Maria, having won slams in the past, is a far better #1 - more "worthy" of the position than Caro and the rest of the Slamless gang, imho. I think what would send Maria into Lindsay Davenport land, when she was #1 but without a recent slam, is if she CONTINUED without winning a slam while maintaining the #1 rank.

darrinbaker00
Aug 23rd, 2011, 06:13 AM
Another slamless #1. These days its a player has to aim for 1 goal. Do they want to be #1, or do they want to win a slam.

I think that's the problem. They can, and should, aim for both.

perseus2006
Aug 23rd, 2011, 06:50 AM
The #1 Rank is in play from the USO through the YEC. This OP makes Pova's case.

Excelscior makes the case for Petra.

Others can make a case for Woz to hang in there and keep it.

Of course, Vika and LiNa are in the game, too, along with Vera and possible others.

I find this bit of drama exciting! An added spice to the normal tour by tour results. Tour by tour we will watch who stays in the race to #1 and who falls out. The fact that there are multiple contestants means that the WTA is in good shape, in my opinion.

As for the concept that the #1 Ranked player is not valid without having won a Major is just consumate bullshit. The concept was perpetrated on the tennis world by a jealous Serenka a few years ago. She was enraged by not being able to catch #1 Danira Safina through playing tennis and earning points on court. So Serenka and family resorted to name-calling, Serenka claimed to be the "Real #1" and that "Sinowa" was invalid because she hadn't won a Major. It was bullshit then and it's bullshit today. Earn the points, get the rank, no "ifs" no "buts". It's so simple that even Serenka and her family should be able to "get it". Many posters here, too.

justineheninfan
Aug 23rd, 2011, 07:42 AM
Agreed. Maria, having won slams in the past, is a far better #1 - more "worthy" of the position than Caro and the rest of the Slamless gang, imho. I think what would send Maria into Lindsay Davenport land, when she was #1 but without a recent slam, is if she CONTINUED without winning a slam while maintaining the #1 rank.

Good assessment. Davenport didnt take nearly as much heat while being #1 having not won a slam for a long time as the recent truly slamless #1s. I think Maria would fall into the same category in peoples minds.

bandabou
Aug 23rd, 2011, 07:49 AM
The #1 Rank is in play from the USO through the YEC. This OP makes Pova's case.

Excelscior makes the case for Petra.

Others can make a case for Woz to hang in there and keep it.

Of course, Vika and LiNa are in the game, too, along with Vera and possible others.

I find this bit of drama exciting! An added spice to the normal tour by tour results. Tour by tour we will watch who stays in the race to #1 and who falls out. The fact that there are multiple contestants means that the WTA is in good shape, in my opinion.

As for the concept that the #1 Ranked player is not valid without having won a Major is just consumate bullshit. The concept was perpetrated on the tennis world by a jealous Serenka a few years ago. She was enraged by not being able to catch #1 Danira Safina through playing tennis and earning points on court. So Serenka and family resorted to name-calling, Serenka claimed to be the "Real #1" and that "Sinowa" was invalid because she hadn't won a Major. It was bullshit then and it's bullshit today. Earn the points, get the rank, no "ifs" no "buts". It's so simple that even Serenka and her family should be able to "get it". Many posters here, too.

:spit: You really think that Serena's jealous and of Dinara Safina of all people?! OMG! :facepalm: :rolls:

justineheninfan
Aug 23rd, 2011, 08:24 AM
The problem for Safina is not just that she didnt win a major but she was so badly destroyed in major matches by Serena, Venus, and even Kuznetsova. Getting only 3 games off Serena in the Australian Open final looked very bad for the soon to be #1 but could be forgiven to a degree. The biggest mocking of her #1 ranking came after the French and Wimbledon. First her big choke in the French final with Kuznetsova where she fell apart so badly in a match many expected her to win that she even cried out "why am I such a chicken" and broke down in tears during the final. Then the Wimbledon semis, yes her worst surface, but still got only 1 game off Venus in the semis. It was hard to take her seriously as a #1 after that.

QuietPlease
Aug 23rd, 2011, 09:06 AM
Basically yes.

Except for the US Open, Beijing and YEC, Caro must win 280 points to gain a single ranking point.

Maria is the only top ranked player to still have two zeroes.

For this reason Maria has a lot bigger lead over Wozniacki than just the simple numbers seem to indicate.

On the other hand I'd be surprised if Maria turns up in more than 3 tournaments the rest of the year...

Mistress of Evil
Aug 23rd, 2011, 09:19 AM
Another slamless #1. These days its a player has to aim for 1 goal. Do they want to be #1, or do they want to win a slam.

:spit:

To say that Maria is aiming for the top spot and its her priority is ridiculous. :lol: I mean, her schedule is so not packed, she plays the most important tourneys only. :shrug: Its just that this year she got deep in almost all of them and built up some consistency which resulted in her current ranking/race position.

tejmeglekvár
Aug 23rd, 2011, 09:40 AM
:spit: You really think that Serena's jealous and of Dinara Safina of all people?! OMG! :facepalm: :rolls:

Jealous probably not the right word. Seeing the comments Serena had that time, her ego was pretty much hurted. And considering she beat Dinara not so long before, only reason left was the #1 thingy.

QuietPlease
Aug 23rd, 2011, 09:40 AM
This is the current top 7, counting their top 13 results only (leaving room for USO, Beijing & YEC):

(13th best in brackets)

1 Maria 5985 (0)
2 Caro 5775 (280)
3 Petra 5286 (1)
4 Li Na 5141 (1)
5 Vika 4896 (1)
6 Marion 3990 (125)
7 Vera 3930 (125)

As mentioned this rank includes top 13 only, so all 7 has equal chances of adding points in the 3 remaning mandatory events.
Obviously Maria, Petra, Li Na and Vika each has a better chance to add to their total at another tournament as well (i.e. Tokyo) should they choose to play such an event.

thegreendestiny
Aug 23rd, 2011, 10:21 AM
I'm hoping Vika will reach the USO Semi and win YEC so she'll end the year as another slamless No.l then collapse by next year. :oh:

bandabou
Aug 23rd, 2011, 10:56 AM
Jealous probably not the right word. Seeing the comments Serena had that time, her ego was pretty much hurted. And considering she beat Dinara not so long before, only reason left was the #1 thingy.

Nah man..she was holding 2 majors at the time and a couple of weeks later was holding 3 of the 4 majors, sooo...:shrug:

tejmeglekvár
Aug 23rd, 2011, 11:19 AM
Nah man..she was holding 2 majors at the time and a couple of weeks later was holding 3 of the 4 majors, sooo...:shrug:

so... she was pissed because somebody else was called #1. Its bullshit to think she doesn't care when she has chance to top the rankings. :lol:
whatever this is offtopic here.

~8000pts should be enough for year end #1 place. Maria needs USO SF to get close to that, rest needs more. But bit early, USO draw will tell lot. (who gets Serena in 3rd round...)

bandabou
Aug 23rd, 2011, 11:41 AM
so... she was pissed because somebody else was called #1. Its bullshit to think she doesn't care when she has chance to top the rankings. :lol:
whatever this is offtopic here.

~8000pts should be enough for year end #1 place. Maria needs USO SF to get close to that, rest needs more. But bit early, USO draw will tell lot. (who gets Serena in 3rd round...)

History has shown many times: the no.1 ranked player doesn't automatically mean that player is the BEST player.

And that was the thing that started the whole discussion...EVERYBODY knew that Serena was the best player of the world, yet the rankings told another story. No biggie.

Maria Croft
Aug 23rd, 2011, 01:52 PM
I honestly don't care about the rankings, but I have to admit the thought of being the year end number 1 player is something special.
So to even be in the mix after the start of this year, and most of last year is amazing.

Ryan
Aug 23rd, 2011, 03:26 PM
That would be sweet for Maria! I hope she can pull it off, really. She's been very consistent lately, won two big titles, and solid GS results. I hope she can keep it up in New York (maybe even win), and play a smart fall schedule. Even if she doesn't get a Slam this year, YE #1 would be a great accomplishment.

faboozadoo15
Aug 23rd, 2011, 04:57 PM
It would be pretty incredible for her psyche and attitude to end the year #1 after all she's been through. That's why I'm rooting for it.

Excelscior
Aug 23rd, 2011, 05:05 PM
People say she's inconsistent because she sandwiched wins in the Paris Masters and Madrid with early losses in Indian Wells and Miami. She later on wins Wimbledon and then loses early in Toronto and Cincy (both times to Petkovic). She's streaky. She'll have periods of great play followed by periods of lousy play.

Yeah. But that still doesn't translate. She couldn't of lost that much, or for too long, cause she only has only 8-10 losses and 44 wins (depending on who's counting). A whole lot of "good" players have lost a bunch more, and won a lot less than her. Everybody loses. So what!?

What does that say about other players with much more losses, and much less wins? I'm sure they got knocked out early to. Petra just does it in blocks. If anything, that makes her more predictable (you know when she's going to do it, and she does it in blocks), unlike other players who get knocked out unexpectedly. If everyone competed week in week out, the way you're implying Petra should, they would have 10000 points like Wozniaki (almost does). But they don't! They're not even close. And if she lost that much, she'd have 15-20 losses, like everybody else. She doesn't.

Good try/points. But that's still not convincing enough to me. I could see that being offered as a Counter Point (and a decently legitimate one). But that totally ignored everything I wrote (like her 4 tournament wins, and finals spaced out through out the year).

As I said in my original post, she may not be as consistent as some of her detractors/other player fans want her to be, but she's not nearly as inconsistent as they want you believe/wish for either. She wins. Just look at her record, wins, winning %, titles, $$ earned, Grand Slams entries, etc. It's all good.

PS: What recent Tennis player, did well in their next few tournaments, after winning their first Grand Slam (or even won the next one)? Not many (including a lot of all time greats)!

But I do expect her to do well in this Upcoming US Open. Watch and see.

QuietPlease
Aug 23rd, 2011, 07:13 PM
This is the current top 7, counting their top 13 results only (leaving room for USO, Beijing & YEC):

(13th best in brackets)

1 Maria 5985 (0)
2 Caro 5775 (280)
3 Petra 5286 (1)
4 Li Na 5141 (1)
5 Vika 4896 (1)
6 Marion 3990 (125)
7 Vera 3930 (125)

As mentioned this rank includes top 13 only, so all 7 has equal chances of adding points in the 3 remaning mandatory events.
Obviously Maria, Petra, Li Na and Vika each has a better chance to add to their total at another tournament as well (i.e. Tokyo) should they choose to play such an event.


Vika got a 0 pointer for withdrawing Cincy, so she has:

5 Vika 4895 (120)

One point less doesn't mean much, but it makes it more difficult for her to score extra points outside the last 3 mandatories. (i.e. a good Tokyo result will replace the 120 points)

goldlion
Aug 24th, 2011, 12:43 AM
Vika then needs to do better than SF

NeoZod19
Aug 24th, 2011, 04:18 AM
I'd love to say 100% yes but since her serves have let her down many times everything is up in the air, it's a wait and see thing at this point.

QuietPlease
Aug 25th, 2011, 09:42 PM
Tough draw for Vika. Looks like she will have to beat Serena in the 3rd round of USO if she wants to stay in the running for year-end #1.

The top 4 in the race might face off in the QFs. Caro vs Li and Maria vs Petra. So one things sure, maximum two of the top 4 can reach the semis.

Top half of the draw looks loaded with Caro, Li, Vika and Serena!

SAISAI-GOAT
Sep 3rd, 2011, 02:19 AM
LOL don't Sharapova fans ever learn to not count their chickens before they hatch :tape:

I still remember them saying Maria looking good to complete her career GS at RG :facepalm:

and then Maria looking good for her 2nd Wimbledon title :facepalm:

and now Maria looking good to end 2011 #1 ... I guess it could happen but it would be the result of alot of easy draws :oh:

just have to bump this :p

what did I say about Sharapova fans counting their eggs before they hatch :facepalm:

I guess she can still finish 2011 #1 if she gets cakewalks in Tokyo and Beijing :tape:

Wiggly
Sep 3rd, 2011, 02:26 AM
Wozniacki is still defending two Titles and a YEC finale but she has a huge lead.

JCTennisFan
Sep 3rd, 2011, 02:33 AM
its just unfortunate that she wont have a slam during this season. But on the bright side, I believe Maria is getting more consistent with her groundstrokes. She used to be awful in long rally exchanges, but she has been getting progressively better in that respect. She also threw a few reasonably paced 2nd serves in during the US open, which atleast shows she is trying to be more reasonable. As it stands her stubborness actually is hurting her in close matches, and I thankfully believe she is beginning to realize it. Doesnt matter if your average 2nd serve is 15 mph faster than your opponent if you DF during crucial moments.

Mina Vagante
Sep 3rd, 2011, 03:10 AM
Maria year end number one :tape:

SAISAI-GOAT
Sep 3rd, 2011, 04:01 AM
Wozniacki is still defending two Titles and a YEC finale but she has a huge lead.

Woz will probably finish #1 :dance:

Vee Williams
Sep 3rd, 2011, 05:04 AM
I don't think Sharapova is a more deserving number 1. The criticism in the past has been that one needs to somehow earn the spot and I don't feel that she has been consistent enough to deserve it

justineheninfan
Sep 3rd, 2011, 07:24 AM
Some people in this thread referring to me as a Sharapova fan is hilarious and a proof of the cluelessness of some individuals. This thread was hardly far fetched, and even now probably isnt unless Wozniacki has a stellar U.S Open result (unlikely). Sharapova was leading a slumping Wozniacki in the race, and looked likely to do better at the U.S Open and the remainder of the year than Wozniacki. Others like Kvitova and Na were 1000 points back and struggling terribly. While the surprisingly poor U.S Open result of Maria makes the year end #1 far from a safe bet now, she still has quite a good shot at it. It is quite possible, arguably likely, that she outperforms Wozniacki in the remaining tournaments, and unless Wozniacki has a stellar U.S Open (with Serena in her half the best she can even hope for is the semis) she will be in striking distance still.

As for the worthy #1 there is only one worthy #1 and she wont end the year ranked there since she missed over half the year with injury so forget that argument going anywhere. The one other player who could be a worthy #1 amongst the current sad crop has missed most of the year with own injuries. If Sharapova isnt a worthy #1, Wozniacki certainly isnt either, and really nobody in the current top 10 is, but one of them is going to have to get it.

doomsday
Sep 3rd, 2011, 07:43 AM
just have to bump this :p

what did I say about Sharapova fans counting their eggs before they hatch :facepalm:

I guess she can still finish 2011 #1 if she gets cakewalks in Tokyo and Beijing :tape:

And where did you see Sharapova fans doing this, Justineheninfan is not a Sharapova fan I know your eyes are slanted but come on.

WozTakesAll
Sep 3rd, 2011, 08:16 AM
If Sharapova isnt a worthy #1, Wozniacki certainly isnt either, and really nobody in the current top 10 is, but one of them is going to have to get it.

I never understood this concept of being worthy? Why use a subjective criteria for evaluating something that is already evaluated by an objective criteria (the rankings)? Its like people cannot accept the reality and substitute it with their own reality in which they are gods and can decide who is worthy of something and who is not.

Who ever is ranked number 1 is number 1. End of discussion. Forever.

justineheninfan
Sep 3rd, 2011, 09:22 AM
I never understood this concept of being worthy? Why use a subjective criteria for evaluating something that is already evaluated by an objective criteria (the rankings)? Its like people cannot accept the reality and substitute it with their own reality in which they are gods and can decide who is worthy of something and who is not.

Who ever is ranked number 1 is number 1. End of discussion. Forever.

Being worthy would constitute probably winning atleast 1 slam, and certainly not constitute a streak of losing to players outside the top 20 in slams. To put it in simple terms though, everyone knows who the best player in the World currently is. That player is definitely NOT either Sharapova or Wozniacki.

I was not the one who brought up the worthy remark. Someone else was. All I am saying is if Sharapova is an unworthy #1, Wozniacki is even less of one, and the real #1 cant be ranked there until atleast after Australia next year. So those comments pertaining to Sharapova, considering who is currently ranked #1, are pointless.

bandabou
Sep 3rd, 2011, 09:50 AM
ooppss...how can Maria to do so well on clay and grass, then can't get to the second week at any of the HC majors?! :eek:

thegreendestiny
Sep 3rd, 2011, 11:17 AM
She didn't deserve to be N. 1 on the race.

doomsday
Sep 3rd, 2011, 11:20 AM
ooppss...how can Maria to do so well on clay and grass, then can't get to the second week at any of the HC majors?! :eek:

I'm pretty sure she reached OZ second week this year but whatever. Maria needs to work on that serve and she has still 3 tournaments to fix it so wait and see.

Inger67
Sep 3rd, 2011, 11:26 AM
OMG SHE IS LOOKING SO GOOD!!! :hearts: ;)

Inger67
Sep 3rd, 2011, 11:28 AM
I'm pretty sure she reached OZ second week this year but whatever. Maria needs to work on that serve and she has still 3 tournaments to fix it so wait and see.

I mean yeah she reached the 4r, I've been told that technically isn't the second week at majors but I've always thought it was. Regardless, for her to be 4R and 3R at HC slams, a surface that would seemingly play to her strengths is just ridiculous.

doomsday
Sep 3rd, 2011, 11:31 AM
I mean yeah she reached the 4r, I've been told that technically isn't the second week at majors but I've always thought it was. Regardless, for her to be 4R and 3R at HC slams, a surface that would seemingly play to her strengths is just ridiculous.

:lol: what the hell do you want? When she reached FO SF and Wibly finals you're talking about fluke and luck and when she loses early you say it's ridiculous, no matter how she performs you will always have sth negative to say and her results are still far better than Venus' ones.

backhandsmash
Sep 3rd, 2011, 12:11 PM
:lol: what the hell do you want? When she reached FO SF and Wibly finals you're talking about fluke and luck and when she loses early you say it's ridiculous, no matter how she performs you will always have sth negative to say and her results are still far better than Venus' ones.

I know how you feel. ;)

RenaSlam.
Sep 3rd, 2011, 12:15 PM
:wavey:

WozTakesAll
Sep 3rd, 2011, 12:22 PM
Being worthy would constitute probably winning atleast 1 slam, and certainly not constitute a streak of losing to players outside the top 20 in slams. To put it in simple terms though, everyone knows who the best player in the World currently is. That player is definitely NOT either Sharapova or Wozniacki.

I was not the one who brought up the worthy remark. Someone else was. All I am saying is if Sharapova is an unworthy #1, Wozniacki is even less of one, and the real #1 cant be ranked there until atleast after Australia next year. So those comments pertaining to Sharapova, considering who is currently ranked #1, are pointless.

It was not a stab at you, but at EVERYONE who thinks they can choose who is worthy and who is not. They live in a dream world far from reality.

it-girl
Sep 3rd, 2011, 12:32 PM
:lol: what the hell do you want? When she reached FO SF and Wibly finals you're talking about fluke and luck and when she loses early you say it's ridiculous, no matter how she performs you will always have sth negative to say and her results are still far better than Venus' ones.Has she won 7 slams yet? Or the career titles Venus has? NO. Why are you bringing Venus up in this thread anyway? Especially considering recent information.

Sally83
Sep 3rd, 2011, 12:35 PM
There's not a deserved number 1 at the moment. Noone is dominant.

bandabou
Sep 3rd, 2011, 02:17 PM
I'm pretty sure she reached OZ second week this year but whatever. Maria needs to work on that serve and she has still 3 tournaments to fix it so wait and see.

Now 4r is cause to go all :bounce: :bounce: for Mashafans? How the mighty have fallen.

doomsday
Sep 3rd, 2011, 02:26 PM
Now 4r is cause to go all :bounce: :bounce: for Mashafans? How the mighty have fallen.

Of course not, especially when there is finals at W next to it. Just saying that you were wrong.:)

Juju Nostalgique
Sep 3rd, 2011, 03:38 PM
:spit:

Mr.Sharapova
Sep 3rd, 2011, 03:43 PM
:spit:, at some people here who think that Maria fans and Maria herself cares about the ranking :angel:.

terjw
Sep 3rd, 2011, 03:52 PM
Being worthy would constitute probably winning atleast 1 slam, and certainly not constitute a streak of losing to players outside the top 20 in slams. To put it in simple terms though, everyone knows who the best player in the World currently is. That player is definitely NOT either Sharapova or Wozniacki.

I was not the one who brought up the worthy remark. Someone else was. All I am saying is if Sharapova is an unworthy #1, Wozniacki is even less of one, and the real #1 cant be ranked there until atleast after Australia next year. So those comments pertaining to Sharapova, considering who is currently ranked #1, are pointless.

Utter drivel. We have a ranking system and that's what the thread is about. Being worthy of #1 is about being #1 and winning all year and if you are #1 - you are worthy of it because no-one else was able to win more.

Introducing extra criteria midway through the year like winning a slam is rather like saying to be a worthy #1 long distance runner - you must also have to win a 100 meters as well.

What people like you don't get is that there are 2 senses of being the best. Being the best in a tournament where bookies odds really tell you who that is. And being the best over a whole year where the rankings tell you that. And both are equally impressive just as the #1 sprinter and the #1 long distance runner are.