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Banditoo
Aug 22nd, 2011, 02:46 PM
I wanted to create a thread for Julia Görges and I just want to see how many rounds Julia will pass this year if I make a thread. :lol:

Feel free to talk everything around us favourite Julia in USO'11 in this thread. :)

Julia will be a player who is the 19 seeded.

I wrote like this thread title because everywhere thread title is US Open'11 or something like a this.

Good luck Julia! :cheer:



http://cdn.wn.com/ph/img/97/79/6b995f7ddb5bcd462d63b44ac8c1-grande.jpg

HowardH
Aug 22nd, 2011, 04:07 PM
Well, I hope she does well.

joy division
Aug 23rd, 2011, 05:28 PM
If Julia wins the US Open, I`ll buy Serena`s OPI nail polish, and put it on my nails for one month.:cool:
So, what will you do ?

Skoo
Aug 23rd, 2011, 05:50 PM
:haha: I'll print a big poster with her foot and put in my room :)

Banditoo
Aug 23rd, 2011, 06:09 PM
I'll write a comments in TF only in Julia Görges subforum for a month. :lol:

CillyUltra
Aug 25th, 2011, 05:30 PM
Julia's quarter:

(5) Petra Kvitova v Alexandra Dulgheru
Patricia Mayr-Achleitner v Monica Niculescu
Jill Craybas v Madison Keys
Magdalena Rybarikova v (27) Lucie Safarova

(20) Yanina Wickmayer v Sorana Cirstea
Alla Kudryavtseva v Anastasia Rodionova
Lauren Davis v Angelique Kerber
Qualifer v (12) Agnieszka Radwanska

(13) Shuai Peng v Varvara Lepchenko
Virginie Razzano v Tsvetana Pironkova
Misaki Doi v Laura Pous-Tio
Kristina Barrois v (19) Julia Goerges

(26) Flavia Pennetta v Aravane Rezai
Melanie Oudin v Qualifer
Anastasiya Yakimova v Qualifer
Heather Watson v (3) Maria Sharapova

Tennis Observer
Aug 25th, 2011, 05:31 PM
US Open Draw

R1: Kristina Barrois (GER) vs [19]Julia Goerges (GER)
R2: Winner vs Misaki Doi (JPN) vs Laura Pois Dio (ESP)
R3: possible match up vs [13]Shuai Peng (CHN)

Michael!
Aug 25th, 2011, 05:43 PM
Barrois is more or less Julia´s bitch, 2 matches so far and 2 easy wins, 2nd round against Pous Tio ( on hard!!) or Doi, well that is an easy draw, no doubt about that, couldn´t be much easier, 3rd round has to be possible even if she plays average :shrug:

good luck, she can´t waste that chance here for 3rd round vs Peng :fiery:

18majors
Aug 25th, 2011, 06:00 PM
Beat Peng, Julia.

Vikapower
Aug 25th, 2011, 06:39 PM
Good draw for Julia to make the 4th. rnd. to Maria we'll see what she does about it.

Tennis Observer
Aug 25th, 2011, 08:34 PM
Looking at Julia’s draw, I see the advantages to be a seeded player. Nevertheless, assumption is, that Julia performs like a seed and therefore she had to be in good shape. As Julia didn’t tweet after her loss against Baltacha for a long time and her first sign of life sounds very dry to me (http://twitter.com/#!/juliagoerges/status/106819473830453249), I am a little bit concerned about her well being. For sure, it was a disappointing upset, especially as Julia decided to earn some more money and points (= playing in the heat of Texas, in the shade of DTW airport a 220K tournament) instead of preparing for the US Open at Flushing Meadows practice courts (like Masha does); but other than the consensus might be on this BB, a loss against Elena Balatacha didn’t come out of the blue and is neither “shameful” (look at her three wins over Top 10 players in 2010 & her performance in Wimbledon 2011 against Shuai Peng).

Saying that, IMO it’s much more on Julia’s performance than those of her opponents if she will advance to R3 at US Open the first time in her career:

IMO Kristina Barrois’ (# 89) can be very proud of herself to play her fourth straight Top 100 season (2011 200 points as RU at 220K Estoril with wins against Elena Vesnina & Aliysa Kleybanova on route gave her the boost). She began her US Hard-Court season two weeks ago in P5 Cincinnati (Quali). Although her travelling there starts with a nightmare (http://www.kristinabarrois.com/?p=1909), she has one respectable straight-sets-win against Irina Falconi (# 79) under her belt. Next the Fed-Cup player lost against Kimiko Date-Krumm (# 54) and this week in New Haven Q1 against Carla Suarez Navarro (# 81). Julia won both previous matches in straight sets (http://www.wtatennis.com/headtohead/julia-goerges_2255881_12610/0,,12781~12610~11825,00.html), last one in Copenhagen 2010.

The draw sweetens the US Open either for the 20 years young Misaki Doi (# 106) or 26 years young clay courter Laura Pous Tio (# 75), who lost their only match up last year (http://www.wtatennis.com/headtohead/misaki-doi_2255881_13434/0,,12781~13434~6366,00.html). Misaki’s only notable, but nevertheless respectable result in 2011 is a R2 at Wimbledon (as Qualiflyer), which secured her a spot in this MD. Laura started her US Hard Court season campaign in 621K Quali in New Haven with a loss against Silvia Soler-Espinosa (# 142; 57 in decider). The compatriot advanced after a straight-sets-win against Sally Peers to Q2 at Flushing Meadows.

A possible match up in R3 against [13]Shuai Peng (# 14) looks a favorable draw to (taking into consideration of the other seven possibilities). Other than Julia ShuShu’s bag is filled with great results at US Open series, but she had to drop out in P5 Toronto (against compatriot Na Li) and in P5 Cincinnati (against Jelena Jankovic) due to left hip injury (she also withdraw from 220K Dallas, which was a very smart decision, IMO).

I hope Julia will be able to fill up her tank & will build up confidence and then her US Tour will come to an appealing end.

All the best!

Ayumilover.
Aug 26th, 2011, 12:53 AM
It's a decent draw. Miskai Doi is a young player with a good deal of potential, and if Julia is really sloppy, it might not be good, but 3rd round should be reachable. I don't expect her to beat Shuai, but it would be great if she could. I like both a lot so it's a mixed situation for me, but Julia really should have beaten Bartoli and Cibulkova so it's hard to see her not progress. Given her recent results, I would say she'll lose to Shuai.

Tennis Observer
Aug 26th, 2011, 06:37 AM
Best betting odds winning the Championship (http://www.oddschecker.com/tennis/us-open/womens-us-open/winner) (the lower the number the lesser the payment):


Julia Goerges (http://www.oddschecker.com/bet-basket/2424888266): 150
Shuai Peng (http://www.oddschecker.com/bet-basket/2424888266): 200

Banditoo
Aug 27th, 2011, 06:54 PM
Court 11 11:00 Start Time
1. Women's Singles - 1st Round
Kristina Barrois (GER) v. Julia Goerges (GER)[19]
2. Men's Singles - 1st Round
Michael Yani (USA) v. Bernard Tomic (AUS)
3. Men's Singles - 1st Round
Radek Stepanek (CZE)[23] v. Philipp Kohlschreiber (GER)
4. Women's Singles - 1st Round
Urszula Radwanska (POL) v. Agnieszka Radwanska (POL)[12]

mk27
Aug 27th, 2011, 07:10 PM
That's a show court :)

Ayumilover.
Aug 27th, 2011, 07:41 PM
Play starts Monday, right? And yeah it's a show court! :D

18majors
Aug 27th, 2011, 07:57 PM
Good luck, Julia.

joy division
Aug 28th, 2011, 09:04 AM
Many guys in the fill in the draw stuff can see her going to the 4th round.:scratch:

More realistic is, that she can beat Barrois. But already players like Doi, who plays very calm and solid on good days are predestinated to rattle Julia, in her shape of the last few weeks.

Wishful thinking, but I hope, we can finally watch her on the streams a couple of times in a row next week, we`ll see.

joy division
Aug 28th, 2011, 10:49 AM
And for being a little bit more realistic :
If she can reach the quarterfinals here, I´ll show her how to drive her new Porsche !:drive::rocker:

Skoo
Aug 28th, 2011, 10:55 AM
And for being a little bit more realistic :
If she can reach the quarterfinals here, I´ll show her how to drive her new Porsche !:drive::rocker:

She'll surely try her best after she sees this :lol:

joy division
Aug 28th, 2011, 11:17 AM
She'll surely try her best after she sees this :lol:

Good to have you with me here, although I also doubt that this is a performance-enhancing drug for her.:dog:

Skoo
Aug 28th, 2011, 11:20 AM
Good to have you with me here, although I also doubt that this is a performance-enhancing drug for her.:dog:

Oh, come on, don't have such a low self-esteem :lol:

joy division
Aug 28th, 2011, 11:27 AM
Oh, come on, don't have such a low self-esteem :lol:

That`s not the point, I´m northern German by origin and therefore just realistic.:cool:

Skoo
Aug 28th, 2011, 01:46 PM
That`s not the point, I´m northern German by origin and therefore just realistic.:cool:

It is even better then :lol: After seeing this, she'll put even more into it at USO. She'll be like :hearts:

Skoo
Aug 28th, 2011, 02:04 PM
Yay, she's playing doubles with Petko. At least we'll get some hot pics again :couple:

Vikapower
Aug 28th, 2011, 04:26 PM
Good luck Julia.

18majors
Aug 28th, 2011, 10:29 PM
ESPN3 will live stream Julia's match on Court 11.

18majors
Aug 29th, 2011, 01:15 PM
Good luck Julia.

CillyUltra
Aug 29th, 2011, 03:51 PM
I expect Julia to be back in GS mode. I didn't give a shit about her Dallas performance, as we know her difficulties to apply to small tourneys with hard conditions. She hasn't played before any of these US summer tourneys anyway, except of New Haven 2008. The loss against Zheng was annoying, but you could hardly deny that in her Toronto and Cincy matches her hc game began to work again.

CillyUltra
Aug 29th, 2011, 05:15 PM
Julia defeats Kristina 63 62

Vikapower
Aug 29th, 2011, 05:18 PM
Well done lovely, nice score-line and good start hopefully it carries on further. :worship:

crazillo
Aug 29th, 2011, 05:18 PM
Finally a good and consistent performance

mk27
Aug 29th, 2011, 05:19 PM
Good performance :yeah:

Skoo
Aug 29th, 2011, 05:20 PM
:hearts:

Dispeker
Aug 29th, 2011, 05:22 PM
Solid performance. Just go on like this, Julia.

Aravanecaravan
Aug 29th, 2011, 05:25 PM
Nice to see Julia playing better! Good serving!

HowardH
Aug 29th, 2011, 05:31 PM
Seemed quite routine. Missed a number of balls when rushing up to short balls and around the net, but it didn't matter much. Barrois always seemed to be struggling with Julia's power and topspin.

Julia's bh dealt with Barrois' low slice very well. By comparison Barrois' bh had issues with Julia's topspin bounce. Barrois' tricky short slice was easier for Julia to predict today because, since she was struggling with the heaviness of Julia's ball, it was a little predictable that she would have difficulty keeping the ball deep. I.e. often Julia was expecting a short ball when Barrois tried that shot.

As I have mentioned before, what's important for Julia is how much she is winning behind her serve. Today she lost only 9 pts when serving, winning 81% of serving pts (89% behind 1st serve, 71% behind 2nd serve).

When she is winning pts when serving (behind both first and second serve), her first serve % is less critical for her. Well, as long as she stays around 50% or at least above 40% 1st serves in (today was 56% which is fine).

Today was quite easy, but in general I say that if Julia wins more than 70% of serving pts, she will almost certainly win. Between 55-65% is a real fight, and below 55% her chance of losing is rather high.

mk27
Aug 29th, 2011, 05:42 PM
Next opponent is Pous Tio, H2H 0:2 :unsure:

Dispeker
Aug 29th, 2011, 05:45 PM
Next opponent is Pous Tio, H2H 0:2 :unsure:

Payback-Time.

Michael!
Aug 29th, 2011, 05:45 PM
Good performance today, Barrois seems to be perfect match-up for Julia :lol:
Next up is Pous-Tio, well, I followed it a bit on scoreboard, was pretty :help:, I hope and expect Julia to win in 2 sets on hard, anything else would be disappointing!

I hope that Julia is more confident now, today was a quite good performance and she doesnt have to play her best tennis anyway to reach 3rd round here, "just" has to stay concentrated, good luck in 2nd round!

Ayumilover.
Aug 29th, 2011, 07:06 PM
I am so annoyed I had to miss this but its great she did well today! I feel like with this scoreline and the sound of how she played, she can beat Shushu?

#kArLoS#
Aug 29th, 2011, 08:30 PM
great start Julia :bounce:

I dont want to get my hopes up but if she keeps this up(big IF,of course) she can go really far...:lick:

but lets beat Pous Tio first,frankly she should do it :shrug:

CillyUltra
Aug 29th, 2011, 08:39 PM
Julia:
won my match against kristina today.was a pretty good and solid match.happy to be in the next round.tmrw just practice...

Ayumilover.
Aug 29th, 2011, 08:58 PM
If Julia looses to Pous-Tio, i think we can agree that, that loss would be her worst loss yet of her career.
luckily, I think we don't have to worry about that :)

CillyUltra
Aug 29th, 2011, 09:09 PM
@vika7: Oh yea I'm such a genius I accidentally took @juliagoerges badge today. Poor girl couldn't go inside after winning her match!#simplystupidme

@Sofia_Arvidsson:
@vika7 Bet u finished all her dollars on the badge to...;)

@vika7: @Sofia_Arvidsson I actually did because I had no idea its hers #beingtotallyhonest

:lol:

Specter
Aug 29th, 2011, 09:32 PM
@vika7:

@Sofia_Arvidsson:


@vika7:

:lol:

Vika is like Phoebe from Friends - just a complete airhead 90% of the time. :haha:

HowardH
Aug 29th, 2011, 09:52 PM
Vika :lol:.

Ayumilover.
Aug 29th, 2011, 10:01 PM
Vika :o
Julia :hug:
at least we know they are friends :lol:

CillyUltra
Aug 29th, 2011, 10:18 PM
Julia:
yeah i was a bit confused when i suddenly saw u with my badge and my very nice pic where nobody can recognize me;)did u find yours?

Vika:
@juliagoerges I did :) I'm very selfish I wanted 2 badges. Just can't get enough :) Mine was in my bag apparently lol
;)

Vikapower
Aug 29th, 2011, 10:42 PM
:lol: Great Vika , love her - I didn't realize that Julia and Pous Tio had some incredible history until now, I really hope Julia sorts this out.

Specter
Aug 29th, 2011, 11:05 PM
:lol: Great Vika , love her - I didn't realize that Julia and Pous Tio had some incredible history until now, I really hope Julia sorts this out.

I wouldn't really call 2 losses incredible. ;)

Vikapower
Aug 29th, 2011, 11:17 PM
I wouldn't really call 2 losses incredible. ;)

:lol: Well me too but the conditions certainly also the place in which these losses were obtained really makes their history kind of incredibly special... :p

It's the first time they're going to play outside of Bad Gastein hopefully Julia asserts her authority. :cool:

Specter
Aug 29th, 2011, 11:22 PM
I'm confident she can keep up the good showing from her 1st match.

mk27
Aug 29th, 2011, 11:31 PM
Pous Tio has won her first match in a GS-MD in her career today, so Julia should really reach the 3rd round.

Specter
Aug 29th, 2011, 11:45 PM
And through retirement anyway. I bet a healthy Misaki would've beaten that choker. :sobbing:

Vikapower
Aug 29th, 2011, 11:47 PM
Pous Tio has won her first match in a GS-MD in her career today, so Julia should really reach the 3rd round.

I just hope but there's always that uncertainty factor with Julia reason I'll stay very careful.

18majors
Aug 30th, 2011, 12:33 AM
Julia is in very good form today, keep it up.

Dispeker
Aug 30th, 2011, 07:23 AM
Julia about her last and coming match against Pous-Tio:

„Da war ich noch total erschossen, außerdem ist Sand ihr Lieblingsbelag. Es wird ganz klar an mir hängen, wie diese Partie ausgeht. Vom Gefühl her spiele ich im Moment das Beste, was ich bisher gespielt habe“.

"At that time [in Bad Gastein] I was dead tired. Also clay is her favourite surface. Clearly the outcome of the match will depend entirely on me. My feeling is that I am currently playing the best tennis I have played so far."


That is the attitude I want to hear.

Skoo
Aug 30th, 2011, 07:37 AM
Julia about her last and coming match against Pous-Tio:

„Da war ich noch total erschossen, außerdem ist Sand ihr Lieblingsbelag. Es wird ganz klar an mir hängen, wie diese Partie ausgeht. Vom Gefühl her spiele ich im Moment das Beste, was ich bisher gespielt habe“.

"At that time [in Bad Gastein] I was dead tired. Also clay is her favourite surface. Clearly the outcome of the match will depend entirely on me. My feeling is that I am currently playing the best tennis I have ever played."

That is the attitude I want to hear.

I don't know if this is good or bad. Maybe that's what she thought every time she lost and maybe this is a reason why? :shrug:

Dispeker
Aug 30th, 2011, 07:48 AM
I don't know if this is good or bad. Maybe that's what she thought every time she lost and maybe this is a reason why? :shrug:

What makes you think that? By the way, Julias statement seems to back up your "fatigue-theory" ;)

Skoo
Aug 30th, 2011, 08:29 AM
What makes you think that? By the way, Julias statement seems to back up your "fatigue-theory" ;)

Underestimating her weaker opponents could explain the lazy attitude against them and the lively attitude against stronger opponents. It is not likely, because she's no Serena or anything close to, but now she said it herself. Nevertheless, it is true, it all depends on her, her game can be one of the best, but understimating your opponent can cause your game not to "click".

My fatigue hypothesis is not really backed up by what she says. From that, we can only know that she was dead tired in Bad Gastein, the rest still remains unclear. Well, except Dallas. That was certainly fatigue. Yesterday, there were 21° C, hopefully it won't be hotter tomorrow and hopefully she won't think the match is over after a break.

Say, how about we all tell her on Twitter to write down her thoughts on the match? :D

Dispeker
Aug 30th, 2011, 09:22 AM
Say, how about we all tell her on Twitter to write down her thoughts on the match? :D

"Dear Julia, we are some freaks who spend a lot of our free time analysing your performances. Now we want to take our studies to a higher level by making a psychoanalytical profile of you. For that, we would like you to write down your thoughts on your latest and upcoming matches. Thanks in advance, hottie!"

Skoo
Aug 30th, 2011, 09:36 AM
"Dear Julia, we are some freaks who spend a lot of our free time analysing your performances. Now we want to take our studies to a higher level by making a psychoanalytical profile of you. For that, we would like you to write down your thoughts on your latest and upcoming matches. Thanks in advance, hottie!"

:lol: Something like that, yes. But we don't want to make a psychological profile, and definitely not a psychoanalytical one, we just want her to win and maybe that helps, since it works so well before an exam (http://www.silccenter.org/publications_pdfs/Test_Anxiety_Science_2011.pdf). We could just write: "What do you think about writing down your thoughts about the upcoming match for yourself?" She might get scared to see a lot of people writing that to her though :lol: But if only one writes, she might not see it.

18majors
Aug 30th, 2011, 04:25 PM
Julia is expected to win her R2 match and she will.

Ayumilover.
Aug 30th, 2011, 08:05 PM
Julia is expected to win her R2 match and she will.

Julia was expected to win so many matches she lost :lol: :o
can't wait for the OP tomorrow! i'm hoping for Grandstand

crazillo
Aug 30th, 2011, 08:16 PM
She has been put on Court 17.

Ayumilover.
Aug 30th, 2011, 08:19 PM
Oh that's not bad. Hoping for the best :yeah: :hearts:

Vikapower
Aug 30th, 2011, 08:21 PM
Court 17 ? Yeah well I just hope it's streamed.

Julia about her last and coming match against Pous-Tio:

„Da war ich noch total erschossen, außerdem ist Sand ihr Lieblingsbelag. Es wird ganz klar an mir hängen, wie diese Partie ausgeht. Vom Gefühl her spiele ich im Moment das Beste, was ich bisher gespielt habe“.

"At that time [in Bad Gastein] I was dead tired. Also clay is her favourite surface. Clearly the outcome of the match will depend entirely on me. My feeling is that I am currently playing the best tennis I have played so far."


That is the attitude I want to hear.

Yep. Exactly - she's right but words needs to transform into action and I really hope she illustrates this with a masterful score-line and no drama.

CillyUltra
Aug 30th, 2011, 08:38 PM
She has been put on Court 17.

The match should be on German ESP. ;)

Specter
Aug 30th, 2011, 08:39 PM
Court 17 ? Yeah well I just hope it's streamed.

Of course it will be streamed. You think they see Julia coming and go "nah, let's turn the cameras off for this one"? :lol:

18majors
Aug 30th, 2011, 11:46 PM
Court 17 ? Yeah well I just hope it's streamed.



Yep. Exactly - she's right but words needs to transform into action and I really hope she illustrates this with a masterful score-line and no drama.

Court 17 is one of the 4 show courts and it's streamed.

Ayumilover.
Aug 31st, 2011, 05:47 AM
^ There are 6 show courts but maybe you are not counting 11 and 13 but anyways, to anyone who doesn't know, 17 is the new court that seats 3,000. Also, I'm not sure if this is just and American thing but you can watch the matches on the 6 show courts live for free with really high def. on the website!

Time for some revenge tomorrow! :cheer:

Tennis Observer
Aug 31st, 2011, 06:21 AM
Julia showed up on Practice Court 5 this afternoon (3.15 pm until 4 pm) and worked hard with her coach Sascha Nensel especially on her FH & BH groundstrokes. She was very concentrated, focused and relaxed.

In the afternoon, Court 17 is completely sun-flooded, but Julia is accustomed to these conditions.

The German channel of Eurosport will cover the match live, program starts at 6 pm local time; Julia’s match, should not begin early than at 7.30 pm local time, as 1st match is a Men’s singles R1 meeting.

Dispeker
Aug 31st, 2011, 06:57 AM
Court 17 ? Yeah well I just hope it's streamed.



Yep. Exactly - she's right but words needs to transform into action and I really hope she illustrates this with a masterful score-line and no drama.

I got the feeling she will fulfill your wish. Also what's encouraging to see is that she seems to be happy and quite relaxed out on court. Just a side note.

Skoo
Aug 31st, 2011, 07:17 AM
Just remember, if she loses it is all your fault because you didn't want to ask her to try that method :lol:

Dispeker
Aug 31st, 2011, 07:34 AM
Just remember, if she loses it is all your fault because you didn't want to ask her to try that method :lol:

Me? I've sent her what I wrote above via twitter;)

Skoo
Aug 31st, 2011, 07:37 AM
Me? I've sent her what I wrote above via twitter;)

:lol: Not only you, all the people who could have done it :) But again, it was not about a psychological profile. Well, she wouldn't have tried it anyway.

Banditoo
Aug 31st, 2011, 07:45 AM
:lol: Not only you, all the people who could have done it :) But again, it was not about a psychological profile. Well, she wouldn't have tried it anyway.

For what are you talking about? :lol:

Dispeker
Aug 31st, 2011, 07:55 AM
:lol: Not only you, all the people who could have done it :) But again, it was not about a psychological profile.Well, she wouldn't have tried it anyway.

:) No, there is no chance she would have wasted a thought on doing this.

Skoo
Aug 31st, 2011, 08:00 AM
For what are you talking about? :lol:

I'm talking about this (http://www.silccenter.org/publications_pdfs/Test_Anxiety_Science_2011.pdf). Dispeker thought I was suggesting we should ask her to tell us her worries about her matches. The idea is, as that study shows, that writing your worries for yourself can make you think less about them during the test (match) and do your thing. The skills involved in a tennis match are different from those involved in an exam, but thinking too much affects both types in the same way.

18majors
Aug 31st, 2011, 02:41 PM
Good luck with your match today, Julia.

CillyUltra
Aug 31st, 2011, 06:48 PM
Julia beats Laura Pous-Tio 63 61 :rocker2:

#kArLoS#
Aug 31st, 2011, 06:51 PM
well done,Jules,she looked good :yeah: :)

now she´s lived up to her seeding.Anything else is a bonus :shrug:.Not saying she will lose to Peng,but I´m not either confident she will win.GL anyway ;)

With this win,this USO becomes her best so far :cheer:

Aravanecaravan
Aug 31st, 2011, 06:55 PM
Two down. Very nice! I see Peng as another Wozniacki. If Julia is off, she'll lose, but if she plays well, she should win. I'd say it's definitely on Jules' racquet.

Auf geht's!

Dispeker
Aug 31st, 2011, 06:56 PM
Oh my god, is this real? I swear I just saw a consistent playing Julia - again! Please wake me up, this can't be real..

Vikapower
Aug 31st, 2011, 06:57 PM
Excellent US Open by Julia so far :hearts: seriously who would have believed it, really incredible - such great form :lol: I'm really happy right now !!! :hearts:

Julia has now made the 3rd. round of all 4 majors this year, I hope for her fourth attempt to go beyond that infamous #3 will happen in the US Open against Peng - that'd be a sacred dash in most people's face on what they criticized as her worst surface. :worship:

joy division
Aug 31st, 2011, 07:04 PM
Very convincing performance from Julia :bounce:!!!
She never let a doubt there, that she will take this, and was in complete control of her opponent and herself.
Nice to see, how she does with the crowd after the match:hearts:

Banditoo
Aug 31st, 2011, 07:06 PM
amazing Julia! Good win. Now peng is big pusher. Please win this.

Nina.
Aug 31st, 2011, 07:14 PM
Nice match from Julia :bounce: good luck against Peng now

Michael!
Aug 31st, 2011, 07:16 PM
Good win, horrible start but after that she played quite good! :)
Wouldn´t say that she played great, Pous Tio was just too weak, no real challenge for Julia!

Her 1st serve was really good again, has much potential there anyway, she tried to be aggressive and made some amazing winners!
Will be interesting against Peng, will depend on Julia again but I fear that the Chinese will be too consistent for Julia, but we´ll see!

3rd round here in NY is already great, especially when you look at her previous results.
She was lucky here with the draw but that doesn´t matter, 160 pts , 4x 3rd round at a slam this year, that is great. :)

Dispeker
Aug 31st, 2011, 07:18 PM
What impressed me the most today was how she stayed calm during longer ralleys. She waited both for chances to strike winners and for Pous-Tio to make UEs herself. And it worked. If she plays like that against Peng, I can't see her losing here. But, I'm already too euphoric now. I just wait and see.

Skoo
Aug 31st, 2011, 07:22 PM
She did hit a lot of UEs, but she saved 2 BPs at 0-2, pulled off some astonishing serves when serving for the set, came back from 0-40 at 4-1 in the second and so on. That's how she wins :) Playing like today will probably get her to her first 4R.

Dispeker
Aug 31st, 2011, 07:26 PM
She did hit a lot of UEs, but she saved 2 BPs at 0-2, pulled off some astonishing serves when serving for the set, came back from 0-40 at 4-1 in the second and so on. That's how she wins :) Playing like today will probably get her to her first 4R.

That was great, wasn't it? :worship: And her FH was really like a whip today - even more than usual ;)

Skoo
Aug 31st, 2011, 07:35 PM
That was great, wasn't it? :worship: And her FH was really like a whip today - even more than usual ;)

Yeah, it sure was. Something like against JJ. She is probably watching TF and read about that method of writing down worries :lol:

FH was indeed awesome and that's how she should play, not being afraid of UEs (in case she is sometimes).

crazillo
Aug 31st, 2011, 08:14 PM
Peng will make her play A LOT of balls. Could be too many long rallies. I'm sure this match will go to distance but I hope for a Julia win.

joy division
Aug 31st, 2011, 08:17 PM
Don`t get too euphoric, guys.
Julia felt pretty early in this match, that she is the wastly superior player on the court, and was not at least of that very confident overall in this match. And, when she`s on, we know what she can do out there.
Let`s see how she performances in the next round. For good, that she has not wasted much energy till now.
Peng is not Pous, this will be a very different match, but again another good experience and chance to grow up on the court.

Dispeker
Aug 31st, 2011, 08:28 PM
Don`t get too euphoric, guys.
Julia felt pretty early in this match, that she is the wastly superior player on the court, and was not at least of that very confident overall in this match. And, when she`s on, we know what she can do out there.
Let`s see how she performances in the next round. For good, that she has not wasted much energy till now.
Peng is not Pous, this will be a very different match, but again another good experience and chance to grow up on the court.

Yeah, but this was something new. You know how often she struggled against weaker opponents. Today you could really see that she wanted to show her opponent who's the boss. Of course, she made some stupid errors again, but we can't expect a perfect performance from her either.
Anyway, you are right, she has yet to prove that she is able to repeat what she has shown today.

Vikapower
Aug 31st, 2011, 09:17 PM
Peng will make her play A LOT of balls. Could be too many long rallies. I'm sure this match will go to distance but I hope for a Julia win.

Well considering Julia's last 3 3rd. round in majors I expect also the match to go the distance... there'll be many long rallies and I hope Julia will play controlled aggression not forcefully go for spectacular winners all the time but to work her opponent around the court with aggressive plays and few UEs...

That's how she beat Caro 2 consecutive points.

Malkmus_
Aug 31st, 2011, 11:22 PM
Good win Julia :cheer: What's her draw like? I've been away at a festival, so I missed the initial announcement.

Ayumilover.
Aug 31st, 2011, 11:40 PM
Julia played great after being down 0-2 early. I am so impressed with her. If she plays this well, she should take out Peng and Sharapova. Ideally, it would be great to see Julia be the Open champion, but I am not sure she is ready. Julia is so much better though than all of the other players, she didn't give up a single winner until the second set of her match which was by a dropshot, and she gave up 0 winners yesterday. Also, not only is her defense great but she served amazing at 5-3 in the first set with 4 big bombs. It was Sabine like serving. Finally, Julia must have the best forehand I have ever seen for her winners are absolutely fantastic when spot on. Unfortunately, she isn't consistent enough yet, but she will get there and be virtually unbeatable. Let me mention that the only two times that Julia has been "out-winnered" this season was against Maria at the Australian Open which was like 39-35 and Ana at Eastbourne which I think was 21-16. Pretty impressive if you ask me

Ayumilover.
Aug 31st, 2011, 11:43 PM
Good win Julia :cheer: What's her draw like? I've been away at a festival, so I missed the initial announcement.

Well you can always look at the website but next round is against Peng and than probably Sharapova unless Panetta pulls an upset. Maria was very poor against heather watson - who was pushing. Shuai will be tough but the match is on Julia's racquet. If she would be so amazing to advance to the quarter-finals, she would likely face Radwanska, but maybe Safarova. Maria will be the toughest but I think she can get by Peng and Radwanska but anyways, it's good to see Julia make the 3rd round of all the majors this year!

Ayumilover.
Aug 31st, 2011, 11:47 PM
She did hit a lot of UEs, but she saved 2 BPs at 0-2, pulled off some astonishing serves when serving for the set, came back from 0-40 at 4-1 in the second and so on. That's how she wins :) Playing like today will probably get her to her first 4R.

What I really loved was that even when she was down early, she still went for it and it paid off. That shows confidence. Even though she hit a lot of UE, she had even more winners which was great, and the shots she hit today were more superb than usual in my opinion. The ratio wasn't great, but the scoreline was and she can gain even more confidence for knowing that she has played great in four sets and just has dropped 9 games total.

Skoo
Sep 1st, 2011, 08:05 AM
What I really loved was that even when she was down early, she still went for it and it paid off. That shows confidence. Even though she hit a lot of UE, she had even more winners which was great, and the shots she hit today were more superb than usual in my opinion. The ratio wasn't great, but the scoreline was and she can gain even more confidence for knowing that she has played great in four sets and just has dropped 9 games total.

Yes, she showed a lot of confidence and it was expected considering what she said before the match. I was only afraid she might let it slip because of too much confidence and there was a short sign of that at 4-1. Fortunately, she got into Serena mode, producing the best serves when needed :)

I don't know if she did something to her serve, but her latest opponents seem to have big difficulties reading it. Against Baltacha and Barrois she hit two aces on a mediocre second serve because they were going in the opposite dirrection. And Pous-Tio couldn't read it better either. But these are not your greatest players around, so maybe they just don't have good anticipation :shrug:

Her W/UE ratio is not great, but she has rarely won a match with a great one. In any case, it is above one (and she also forced good deal of errors) and that makes her one of the very few players here that can do that in this tournament. Most of them, even if they lose or win, have a lot more UEs than Ws.

Dispeker
Sep 1st, 2011, 08:33 AM
Some stats on how Julia performed during rallies against Pous-Tio.

I only looked at "longer" rallies, which I defined as a rally with a shot sequence greater than 6.

Rallycount: 31

Of that 31 rallies Julia won 20, which equates to 65%.

Those 20 "wins" Julia won by:

FH-Winner: 12 (60%)
BH-Winner: 2 (10%)
BH-FE: 2 (10%)
UE: 4 (20%)

18majors
Sep 1st, 2011, 01:39 PM
Julia is playing well, erasing the bad taste of the US Open Series before the Open.

Tennis Observer
Sep 1st, 2011, 04:40 PM
"Dear Julia, we are some freaks who spend a lot of our free time analysing your performances. Now we want to take our studies to a higher level by making a psychoanalytical profile of you. For that, we would like you to write down your thoughts on your latest and upcoming matches. Thanks in advance, hottie!"
:lol: Something like that, yes. But we don't want to make a psychological profile, and definitely not a psychoanalytical one, we just want her to win and maybe that helps, since it works so well before an exam (http://www.silccenter.org/publications_pdfs/Test_Anxiety_Science_2011.pdf). We could just write: "What do you think about writing down your thoughts about the upcoming match for yourself?" She might get scared to see a lot of people writing that to her though :lol: But if only one writes, she might not see it.
When it comes to “tennis advisers” or “tennis analysts” like it or not: Julia does not care about others opinions.

Julia not only trusts on her coach Sascha Nensel but also tries to implement her ideas into her game. AFAIK the only person who is close to her and interact about “How was your day” topic is her mother (she also sits in her box, when present, while her father places himself in the stands on one of the sidelines).

Other than some assumptions Julia didn’t feel tired after the match against Elena Baltacha in Grapevine, TX at all, Julia indicated she could have played another set too (on the contrary to her opponent who seems to be flat).

Further, after losses, Julia needs some time for herself to regroup and doesn't prefer to interact.

Tennis Observer
Sep 1st, 2011, 04:44 PM
US Open 2011 R2: [19]Julia Goerges def Laura Pous-Tio 63 61

While US Open crowd did not have this match (as most on the women side) on their schedule (court fills up at the end of the match in anticipation of the appearance of the Bryan brothers), it was one pleased to be courtside.

Julia needed some time to prepare (eg painting Wilson's "W" on her racket) before she was ready to join the chair umpire & her opponent for the toss. Laura won and decided to receive.

Julia had a perfect start (300), but missed the opportunity for game point after an UE at the net (volley). She managed to hold to 12* (she won a challenge on her baseline and lectured the linesman to be more accurate) from than she won four games in a row and services the set out. 2nd showed three breaks on her side.

Julia won this match (for her standards) with an on par 1st service (overall 59%) but improved 2nd service (winning 2/3 of her service points) and forceful, well placed groundstrokes, which she played at any time with full pace (IMO this cannot be seen on TV) and at full risk and her variety. It goes without saying that some of those hits were slightly wide and will count as UE. If she is able to cutting these down and improve the execution of her volley’s (I counted four of them as easier mishits) her results will pick up.

US Open R3: [13]Shuai Peng vs [19]Julia Goerges
First Meeting
While the bookies give Shuai the edge (as a matter of curiosity the pay more if she will win the championship than it’s Julia’s), there is a setup in the air. Like a lot Asian players Shuai is a defensive player who takes advantage of errors from their offensive opponents like Julia. Shuai strengths are her stamina & quickness playing the balls very flat & consistence. But if Julia is able to play are groundstrokes at full pace and precise, Shuai will force to higher balls which will feed Julia (for her it’s also an advantage that courts are not as fast as eg Cincinnati).
Good luck!

CillyUltra
Sep 1st, 2011, 08:01 PM
Julia plays the second match on Grandstand not before 12.30 pm tomorrow.

Ayumilover.
Sep 2nd, 2011, 02:49 AM
There is a somewhat heated debate about the next match on GM :lol:
I think we all expected Jules to take out Bartoli at the French and Cibulkova at Wimbledon, but now Jules said it herself, she is the underdog. She feels no pressure. I've got high hopes for this one. If she loses, it won't be too terrible, but again dissapointing. Also, it would be great to see a Maria-Julia 4th round battle.

Dispeker
Sep 2nd, 2011, 06:13 AM
Julia plays the second match on Grandstand not before 12.30 pm tomorrow.

Great. One of the most important matches for Julia this year and I'm gonna miss it.:fiery:

Ayumilover.
Sep 2nd, 2011, 06:22 AM
Great. One of the most important matches for Julia this year and I'm gonna miss it.:fiery:

You know you can watch it online?

Dispeker
Sep 2nd, 2011, 06:31 AM
There is a somewhat heated debate about the next match on GM :lol:
I think we all expected Jules to take out Bartoli at the French and Cibulkova at Wimbledon, but now Jules said it herself, she is the underdog. She feels no pressure. I've got high hopes for this one. If she loses, it won't be too terrible, but again dissapointing. Also, it would be great to see a Maria-Julia 4th round battle.

Agree. Based on Julias performances before the USO it was anything but sure that she would reach the 3rd round here. So a defeat in the next round surely wouldn't be the end of the world. But of course, we all hope she can go one step (or more?) further this time. Apart from that, she simply deserves it.

Dispeker
Sep 2nd, 2011, 06:36 AM
You know you can watch it online?

yes, but I am at a BBQ. No chance to steal away. I'm gonna be trapped:sobbing:

Banditoo
Sep 2nd, 2011, 10:01 AM
Win in doubles: 6-4 6-1. :cheer:

18majors
Sep 2nd, 2011, 02:34 PM
This is the moment we have been waiting for all summer that Julia will shine in a big stage and beat Shuai Peng.

joy division
Sep 2nd, 2011, 03:40 PM
Heard the last interview with her on the radio in German, while working.
Mostly she talked in platitudes, literally said about her opponent, that Peng is one of the best players in the world. Further, more it`s wonderful to have reached the third round at GS again, she´ll try my do her best to get in the fourth round, and so on.
Therein was hidden something like, being the little girl on the big stage, and," don`t expect too much now, what I´ve achieved till now is already good enough.
It`s nice to be humble and some kind of realistic, that`s just the way she is.
But a little bit more confidence wouldn`t be bad.
I suppose, she feels the pressure. I hope, it inspires Julia, instead of paralyzing her today.

Vikapower
Sep 2nd, 2011, 03:57 PM
Overall I just want Julia to give her best and advienne que pourras - I'll be extraordinarily happy if she wins and still proud of her if she loses considering the atrocious US Open series she produced in August, at least, she showed mental fortitude and turned the dynamic around successfully that's already an attribute of a top player. :yeah: I just wished though she gained that other attribute and not let her dynamic fall so often to have to recuperate it in urgency all the time lol please for the future. :lol:

Michael!
Sep 2nd, 2011, 07:43 PM
Peng def. Görges 64 76(1)

well, expected defeat here, Julia had some back pain but that wasn´t the main reason why she lost today IMO!
31 lead in 1st set but as usual she just wasn´t consistent enough, too many UEs and often really cheap errors that´s not enough against a top 20 player like Peng! She fought well but never really had a chance in 2nd set as well.

But we have to be satisfied with her 2 wins here, she was lucky with the draw for sure but also played decent matches but today that wasn´t enough.

Julia has no top 20 level these days, she will have to improve if she want to be a long term top 20 player for sure, we´ll see how her results will be in the upcoming weeks, she could have some better results at some International tournaments but I dont expect much from her in Tokyo and Beijing, just hope that she keeps working hard!

Ayumilover.
Sep 2nd, 2011, 08:10 PM
Yes it was another match for the taking so it's tough to see her lose but unlike against Bartoli or Cibulkova, I don't think we came in thinking this was going to be a win for Julia. Also, Shuai on hard court is a tough task for anyone and she played decent, but not good enough. She is capable of reaching that level but it'll take more time. Her grand slam results have improved at each place every year so we can be hopeful of further improvement for next year.

#kArLoS#
Sep 2nd, 2011, 08:34 PM
Frau Görges too erratic as usual,Peng was much more steadier and so could take advantage of Julia´s UEs.Sucks she lost so easily the TB after all the fight before,saving 4MPs in two service games :sobbing:

well,this year she´s made it to the 3rd round on every slam,which is a huge improvement regarding last year,so we can only hope that she keeps improving :p

Also her back seemed to be hurting and bothering her,hope it´s fine!The last thing I want is another fave of mine injured in her low back :sobbing:

I can´t help but,when looking at the draw,and now that Sharapova is out,that had Julia won,a SF would have been posible.It´s legit to say that? :o

Tennis Observer
Sep 2nd, 2011, 09:26 PM
It will be always a question if Julia missed a huge opportunity as long as her FH is a liability instead of an asset. I like her to approach the net, but I feel miserable as she missed the execution too often. I am positive that all of us who cheer for Julia and want see her also at final stages of huge tournament have to agree that it’s almost impossible for Julia to advance against a solid baseliner like Shuai Peng.

I see it from the bright side: Julia who has a very friendly draw, confirmed her seeding.

Dispeker
Sep 2nd, 2011, 10:40 PM
Maybe we just have to be satisfied with what Julia said throughout the year: Not instant success but gradual improvement is the main goal for her. Remember, it was just this year Julia had her breakthrough. This girl is just 22, and she reached the 3rd round at every slam this year - how many players did achieve that? 8, 9? She was not even seeded at the AO.. She will get better and she will deliver the results, we just have to be more patient. I know it's hard to accept that - given the potential she has - but I'm afraid we just have to live with the fact that it will take time.

CillyUltra
Sep 2nd, 2011, 11:17 PM
Julia:Lost a tough one to peng today.fought as much as i could.unfortunately it wasnt enough today.she deserved to win.made less error than i did! But you guys were amazing out there.thx for the huge and great support.i loved it out there and still some germans won.great job:)! Having treatment now for my back...

Tennis Observer
Sep 3rd, 2011, 12:52 AM
I see it always as a decent approach, if supporters are patient, Dispeker, and stick to the goals their idol wants to achieve. Julia played two brilliant tournaments this year (Championship Stuttgart & SF Madrid) and delivered respectable results at all four GS. Whatever she might achieve in her final five (Seoul, Tokyo, Beijing, Linz, Luxembourg) she will top her # 40 2010 season end ranking for sure.

All those who are not satisfied with the quality of Julia’s play, her improvements and her mental strengths should have a look about her earlier movement, her variety of her game and her game plans. It’s a lot on the line & Julia is very ambitious, I would also say obsessive about her profession. There is no sign she will slow down as she believes in a step by step approach. And Julia also expects a flawless approach not only from her entourage but also from everybody who is involved (chair umpire, lines persons, ballkids, spectators) she might get hot headed if it does not run they way she likes it. Tennis is an individual sport.

BTW: If I didn’t miscounted, Caroline Wozniacki, Maria Sharapova, Victoria Azarenka, Vera Zvonareva, Petra Kvitova, Francesca Schiavone, Andrea Petkovic, Shuai Peng, Julia Goerges & Svetlana Kuznetsova are those ten players who advanced at least to R3 at every GS in 2011. But who cares about this stat?

Ayumilover.
Sep 3rd, 2011, 05:05 AM
BTW: If I didn’t miscounted, Caroline Wozniacki, Maria Sharapova, Victoria Azarenka, Vera Zvonareva, Petra Kvitova, Francesca Schiavone, Andrea Petkovic, Shuai Peng, Julia Goerges & Svetlana Kuznetsova are those ten players who advanced at least to R3 at every GS in 2011. But who cares about this stat?

It was posted on her facebook page actually, but it's 9 since Kvitova lost 1st round here.

It's good to see that Jules is upbeat about her performance, and the match. We still got doubles with Andrea to look forward to also!

joy division
Sep 3rd, 2011, 07:29 AM
I see it always as a decent approach, if supporters are patient, Dispeker, and stick to the goals their idol wants to achieve. Julia played two brilliant tournaments this year (Championship Stuttgart & SF Madrid) and delivered respectable results at all four GS. Whatever she might achieve in her final five (Seoul, Tokyo, Beijing, Linz, Luxembourg) she will top her # 40 2010 season end ranking for sure.

All those who are not satisfied with the quality of Julia’s play, her improvements and her mental strengths should have a look about her earlier movement, her variety of her game and her game plans. It’s a lot on the line & Julia is very ambitious, I would also say obsessive about her profession. There is no sign she will slow down as she believes in a step by step approach. And Julia also expects a flawless approach not only from her entourage but also from everybody who is involved (chair umpire, lines persons, ballkids, spectators) she might get hot headed if it does not run they way she likes it. Tennis is an individual sport.

BTW: If I didn’t miscounted, Caroline Wozniacki, Maria Sharapova, Victoria Azarenka, Vera Zvonareva, Petra Kvitova, Francesca Schiavone, Andrea Petkovic, Shuai Peng, Julia Goerges & Svetlana Kuznetsova are those ten players who advanced at least to R3 at every GS in 2011. But who cares about this stat?

I agree with your resume.
For all of us here is nothing left as to stay patient, and to believe, that she will improve on this stage over the years.
Viewing from the outside, her problem can be reduced to the single fact, that Julia isn`t able to play three good points in a row in competitive match against stronger opponents, although she actually has the skills to do so.
It`s pretty understandable, that some of us here can`t hide their disappointment sometimes after the matches, imo, that does not imply, that he`s not a real fan, therefore.
The main point is placed somewhere between her ears, and as the extended discussion here shows, this area is a vague place.
Julia is a prime example, for the fact, that the performance of a player, regardless his talents, mainly depends on some kind of cognitive abilities and mental balance.
The "special mix" of her physical and mental attitudes makes it very exciting for me to see, how she will develope over the next years.

Skoo
Sep 3rd, 2011, 09:25 AM
"Having treatment now for my back..."

She was always saying she receives treatment. It was for her back then. So it wasn't fatigue after all, or maybe they're connected.

Julia is a prime example, for the fact, that the performance of a player, regardless his talents, mainly depends on some kind of cognitive abilities and mental balance.
The "special mix" of her physical and mental attitudes makes it very exciting for me to see, how she will develope over the next years.

IDK, I think her, let's call it cognitive status, is not very bad at the moment :) There are still some problems, but I don't think they are the reason why she loses so much. In the last match, there were a lot of bad decisions, mostly hitting the ball where Peng was after opening up the rest of the court (I will watch the match again to see how many of her UEs followed after this inability to close the point). You can see that in every match. She really needs to get rid of this. If you look at Serena, she never does that. You can see Julia also has a long preparation for the shot and you expect that she will hit where there's a lot of space, but she often manages to surprise you :) (if I didn't make myself clear, I'm talking about shots like this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHUz7yhQP4Q#t=01m34s) and this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHUz7yhQP4Q#t=07m09s); in both cases, I think a CC would have closed the point)

Also, at times she really didn't wait for the right shot and made a lot of UEs like that.

But I think the match would have been hers, as many other matches, if not for that lower back pain. As soon as her problems get worse, her second serve becomes useless and she starts either making DFs or just producing very weak second serves that can be attacked easily. I read that the kick serve is not recommended when having problems of the lower back and this could be an explanation for why she can't serve well for longer periods of time (39% points won on the second serve in the last match compared to 55% against Pous-Tio and 71% against Barrois). Also, every shot with a lot of topspin can be damaging and there's no wonder she missed that much yesterday. Furthermore, clay is the most favorable surface for this problem and HC the most damaging and this could explain why she was able to have that streak on clay.

I hope she will get better and that she won't be another one of those players that can't fullfil their potential because of physical problems.

Skoo
Sep 3rd, 2011, 02:39 PM
I guess she is convinced that even with an injury she should be good enough to win a match like this. I'm sure Petko's recent performance against Jie played a big part in that kind of thinking.

Indeed, you must be right, but she wasn't necessary inspired by Petko, because it was the same story at Dallas.

And she actually had a good chance to win both, but definitely not in a TB.

Vikapower
Sep 3rd, 2011, 03:23 PM
I agree with your resume.
For all of us here is nothing left as to stay patient, and to believe, that she will improve on this stage over the years.
Viewing from the outside, her problem can be reduced to the single fact, that Julia isn`t able to play three good points in a row in competitive match against stronger opponents, although she actually has the skills to do so.
It`s pretty understandable, that some of us here can`t hide their disappointment sometimes after the matches, imo, that does not imply, that he`s not a real fan, therefore.
The main point is placed somewhere between her ears, and as the extended discussion here shows, this area is a vague place.
Julia is a prime example, for the fact, that the performance of a player, regardless his talents, mainly depends on some kind of cognitive abilities and mental balance.
The "special mix" of her physical and mental attitudes makes it very exciting for me to see, how she will develope over the next years.

I wouldn't say stronger opponents, I would say opponents who forces her to play in a category of tennis where 1 or 2 shots aren't enough to end the points -- against Caroline Wozniacki she showed she had the abilities to do so there's absolutely no reasons why she wouldn't be able to repeat that...

Peng is a player that doesn't give you much and who forces you to really construct, to play controlled aggression and this is probably that level of tennis Julia hasn't reached yet and will certainly reach one day.

Just like in all Julia's 3rd. rounds this year it's amazing how she was always the one producing all the game on court but one thing that is common to all these 3 matches is her lack of control, I did a quick operation on her aggressive margin and she has 6 (-16.67%) (Peng has double with 16) in fact, Peng won more aggressive shots than Julia did 12.00% to Julia's 4.00% and Julia was striking all the winners, true comedy :lol: etc... etc... so once again you can only say that the much better player one that day deservedly won.

It's clear that Julia's next axis of progression to get through these 3rd. rounds and even breakthrough other big tournaments is control, control, control... either she needs to find a way to hit as many winners with much less UEs or either she attempts for less more winners but better construction etc... it might be less spectacular but much more efficient.

18majors
Sep 3rd, 2011, 04:06 PM
It wasn't the best US Open and US Open Series. Turn the page and move on Julia.

joy division
Sep 3rd, 2011, 04:07 PM
I wouldn't say stronger opponents, I would say opponents who forces her to play in a category of tennis where 1 or 2 shots aren't enough to end the points -- against Caroline Wozniacki she showed she had the abilities to do so there's absolutely no reasons why she wouldn't be able to repeat that...

Peng is a player that doesn't give you much and who forces you to really construct, to play controlled aggression and this is probably that level of tennis Julia hasn't reached yet and will certainly reach one day.

Just like in all Julia's 3rd. rounds this year it's amazing how she was always the one producing all the game on court but one thing that is common to all these 3 matches is her lack of control, I did a quick operation on her aggressive margin and she has 6 (-16.67%) (Peng has double with 16) in fact, Peng won more aggressive shots than Julia did 12.00% to Julia's 4.00% and Julia was striking all the winners, true comedy :lol: etc... etc... so once again you can only say that the much better player one that day deservedly won.

It's clear that Julia's next axis of progression to get through these 3rd. rounds and even breakthrough other big tournaments is control, control, control... either she needs to find a way to hit as many winners with much less UEs or either she attempts for less more winners but better construction etc... it might be less spectacular but much more efficient.

Sorry, you got me wrong here. Actually I meant it the same way, as you said it.

CillyUltra
Sep 3rd, 2011, 09:36 PM
Julia's doubles match with Petko is underway and live-streamed.

HowardH
Sep 3rd, 2011, 11:06 PM
Liked that celebration after winning the second set. :lol:

HowardH
Sep 4th, 2011, 05:04 AM
They lost 6-4 in the third. They have pretty good chemistry as a team I must say, however.

Skoo
Sep 4th, 2011, 08:50 AM
They lost 6-4 in the third. They have pretty good chemistry as a team I must say, however.

Yeah, and Petko uses every chance to touch her, hug her, kiss her, and now she said "I love you!". This makes you forget about the disappointments :lol:

joy division
Sep 4th, 2011, 09:27 AM
Yeah, and Petko uses every chance to touch her, hug her, kiss her, and now she said "I love you!". This makes you forget about the disappointments :lol:

So I would not believe, that you`d do anything else, if you were at Petko`s place.:lol:

Skoo
Sep 4th, 2011, 10:36 AM
So I would not believe, that you`d do anything else, if you were at Petko`s place.:lol:

Of course :lol: I think it's more sad that they lost in doubles. There's much more to see than in Julia's singles matches :lol:

Dispeker
Sep 4th, 2011, 02:30 PM
There has been a lot of talk in the last couple of weeks about the reasons why Julias game is so inconsistent. One point that often came up in this discussion was the claim that Julia doesn't have a "middle game": She wouldn't be able to keep the ball in play, she would just play a kind of "hit-or-miss" tennis, and so on. Since this is a crucial issue I thought it would be important to take a closer look at it. A rather easy but significant way to verify or falsify that claim is to examine Julias performance during longer rallies. I already did that for her match against Pous-Tio (see some posts above). In that match Julia won 20 of 31 longer rallies or 65% of it. I don't want to further comment on that, for I haven't found any reference values that would allow a better assessment of that number. However, 65% doesn't seem to be that low.


Now I examined Julias match against Peng and again I took a look at Julias performance during longer rallies (a longer rally (LR) I defined as a rally with a shot sequence greater than 6). Here are the observations:


Ralleycount: 32

Of that 32 rallies Julia won 14 or 44% of it. However, it's more interesting when you look at the 2 sets separately:


1st set: of 9 rallies Julia won 5 or 56% of it.

Those rallies she won by:

UEs: 3 (60%)
FH-Winner: 0
BH-Winner: 1 (20%)
FH-FE: 1 (20%)
BH-FE: 0

2nd set: of 23 rallies Julia won 9 or 39% of it.

Those rallies she won by:

UEs: 2 (22%)
FH-Winner: 4 (45%)
BH-Winner: 1 (11%)
FH-FE: 0
BH-FE: 2 (22%)

The numbers for the second set include the tie-break. Here alone 3 longer rallies were played of which Julia couldn't win a single one. So if we leave the tiebreak out we count 20 rallies of which Julia won 9 or 45% of it. That means if we look at the whole match bar the tie-break Julia won 48% of the longer rallies.

Given that Peng is known for being able to keep balls in play over a long time, the fact that she was just able to win 56% of all longer rallies seems to me quite astonishing. Or to put it the other way round: Julia did extremely well in that respect - given that she is supposed to be a stupid ballbasher ;) In the first set she won even more LR than Peng. An interesting fact is also here that Julia won more of her LR by UEs (36%) and not by FH-Winners (29%), her "main weapon".

Another point I wanted to know was how many of the LR that she lost throughout the match, she lost by UEs. Again it's more interesting to look at 2 sets separately:

1st set:

As shown above Julia lost 4 LR out of 9 or 44%. Only 1 she lost by an UE (25%).

2nd set:

Here Julia lost 14 of 23 LRs. Of that 14 LRs however, she lost 13 by UEs or 93%. The picture only gets slightly better if you leave out the tie-break: of 11 lost LRs she lost 10 by UEs or 91%.

As I didn't see the match I can't tell why that ratio of UEs "exploded" in the 2nd set. But one can imagine that if she had kept that ratio at a slightly lower level, she probably would have won an equal number of LRs as Peng. But dispite that relatively high ratio of UEs in LRs especially in the 2nd set, they weren't decisive for the outcome of the match.

To sum it up: Julia apparently developed some kind of a "middle game", she is able to keep the ball in play over a longer period of time and she can also win a decent number of those longer rallies- and that's the important thing, isn't it? ;)As regards the match against Peng it's rather clear that the lost LRs weren't decisive for the outcome of the match. Julia made the most mistakes in other situations.

burn
Sep 4th, 2011, 02:58 PM
:sad:

Vikapower
Sep 4th, 2011, 04:22 PM
[...]

Given that Peng is known for being able to keep balls in play over a long time, (1) the fact that she was just able to win 56% of all longer rallies seems to me quite astonishing. Or to put it the other way round: Julia did extremely well in that respect - (2) given that she is supposed to be a stupid ballbasher ;) In the first set she won even more LR than Peng. An interesting fact is also here that Julia won more of her LR by UEs (36%) and not by FH-Winners (29%), her "main weapon".

[...]

As I didn't see the match I can't tell why that ratio of UEs "exploded" in the 2nd set. But one can imagine that if she had kept that ratio at a slightly lower level, she probably would have won an equal number of LRs as Peng. But dispite that relatively high ratio of UEs in LRs especially in the 2nd set, they weren't decisive for the outcome of the match.

(3) To sum it up: Julia apparently developed some kind of a "middle game", she is able to keep the ball in play over a longer period of time and she can also win a decent number of those longer rallies- and that's the important thing, isn't it? ;)As regards the match against Peng it's rather clear that the lost LRs weren't decisive for the outcome of the match. Julia made the most mistakes in other situations.

Interesting. I didn't want to water down your post so much... :lol: I don't know where you took the data from IBM PointStream ?

(1) Well it's not that astonishing considering Peng's style of play - Peng forces you to play long rallies if you can't support then she forces you to go for winners thus plenty more UEs... :lol: Julia is aggressive but she's nonetheless thoughtful unless a player like Mirjana Lucic, you see.

With the new slowed down courts, this year's US Open isn't the players who hits the most winners that wins contrary to grass for example - typically Julia, it's the player who plays the most solid game throughout the 2 weeks that will hold the trophy...

If you watch many of the top seeds that fell this year, like Maria Sharapova a vast majority including Julia weren't able to play solid tennis enough thus back to the drawing board... basically this is the challenge that slower surfaces offers.

(2) What ? :lol: Julia is not supposed to be a stupid ball-basher... as I've said many times a good % of Julia's misses IMO are due to technical issues (placement, balance, swing etc...) - Julia plays a big game but unfortunately she isn't a fluent with her physique in comparison to a player like Petra Kvitova so more often than not it can result into lols. Julia is aggressive but she's thoughtful, she's not like Mirjana Lucic as much the as haterz try to have other people believe. :lol:

(3) Well it's clear Julia CAN keep longer rallies but her mindset isn't programmed to play in that sort of game - she's a 3-4 shot max. type player...

18majors
Sep 4th, 2011, 04:28 PM
Have a good autums season Julia.

joy division
Sep 4th, 2011, 04:34 PM
There has been a lot of talk in the last couple of weeks about the reasons why Julias game is so inconsistent. One point that often came up in this discussion was the claim that Julia doesn't have a "middle game": She wouldn't be able to keep the ball in play, she would just play a kind of "hit-or-miss" tennis, and so on. Since this is a crucial issue I thought it would be important to take a closer look at it. A rather easy but significant way to verify or falsify that claim is to examine Julias performance during longer rallies. I already did that for her match against Pous-Tio (see some posts above). In that match Julia won 20 of 31 longer rallies or 65% of it. I don't want to further comment on that, for I haven't found any reference values that would allow a better assessment of that number. However, 65% doesn't seem to be that low.


Now I examined Julias match against Peng and again I took a look at Julias performance during longer rallies (a longer rally (LR) I defined as a rally with a shot sequence greater than 6). Here are the observations:


Ralleycount: 32

Of that 32 rallies Julia won 14 or 44% of it. However, it's more interesting when you look at the 2 sets separately:


1st set: of 9 rallies Julia won 5 or 56% of it.

Those rallies she won by:

UEs: 3 (60%)
FH-Winner: 0
BH-Winner: 1 (20%)
FH-FE: 1 (20%)
BH-FE: 0

2nd set: of 23 rallies Julia won 9 or 39% of it.

Those rallies she won by:

UEs: 2 (22%)
FH-Winner: 4 (45%)
BH-Winner: 1 (11%)
FH-FE: 0
BH-FE: 2 (22%)

The numbers for the second set include the tie-break. Here alone 3 longer rallies were played of which Julia couldn't win a single one. So if we leave the tiebreak out we count 20 rallies of which Julia won 9 or 45% of it. That means if we look at the whole match bar the tie-break Julia won 48% of the longer rallies.

Given that Peng is known for being able to keep balls in play over a long time, the fact that she was just able to win 56% of all longer rallies seems to me quite astonishing. Or to put it the other way round: Julia did extremely well in that respect - given that she is supposed to be a stupid ballbasher ;) In the first set she won even more LR than Peng. An interesting fact is also here that Julia won more of her LR by UEs (36%) and not by FH-Winners (29%), her "main weapon".

Another point I wanted to know was how many of the LR that she lost throughout the match, she lost by UEs. Again it's more interesting to look at 2 sets separately:

1st set:

As shown above Julia lost 4 LR out of 9 or 44%. Only 1 she lost by an UE (25%).

2nd set:

Here Julia lost 14 of 23 LRs. Of that 14 LRs however, she lost 13 by UEs or 93%. The picture only gets slightly better if you leave out the tie-break: of 11 lost LRs she lost 10 by UEs or 91%.

As I didn't see the match I can't tell why that ratio of UEs "exploded" in the 2nd set. But one can imagine that if she had kept that ratio at a slightly lower level, she probably would have won an equal number of LRs as Peng. But dispite that relatively high ratio of UEs in LRs especially in the 2nd set, they weren't decisive for the outcome of the match.

To sum it up: Julia apparently developed some kind of a "middle game", she is able to keep the ball in play over a longer period of time and she can also win a decent number of those longer rallies- and that's the important thing, isn't it? ;)As regards the match against Peng it's rather clear that the lost LRs weren't decisive for the outcome of the match. Julia made the most mistakes in other situations.

Dear Dispeker, I really appreciate your research on this case, but the result is in a way like the german saying, "the science has detected, that margarine contains fat".
The question is, why she can`t develope this middle game, and what would help her, to do so.

Dispeker
Sep 4th, 2011, 05:07 PM
Interesting. I didn't want to water down your post so much... :lol: I don't know where you took the data from IBM PointStream ?

That's nice;). And yes, it's from pointstream. Excellent resource imo.

(1) Well it's not that astonishing considering Peng's style of play - Peng forces you to play long rallies if you can't support then she forces you to go for winners thus plenty more UEs... :lol: Julia is aggressive but she's nonetheless thoughtful unless a player like Mirjana Lucic, you see.

Yes, but Peng won only 56% of long rallies. I thought she would be far more efficient.

With the new slowed down courts, this year's US Open isn't the players who hits the most winners that wins contrary to grass for example - typically Julia, it's the player who plays the most solid game throughout the 2 weeks that will hold the trophy...

Well, I agree. Did I say something else?

(2) What ? :lol: Julia is not supposed to be a stupid ball-basher... as I've said many times a good % of Julia's misses IMO are due to technical issues (placement, balance, swing etc...) - Julia plays a big game but unfortunately she isn't a fluent with her physique in comparison to a player like Petra Kvitova so more often than not it can result into lols. Julia is aggressive but she's thoughtful, she's not like Mirjana Lucic as much the as haterz try to have other people believe. :lol:

That was a deliberate exaggeration, did u miss the smiley? Cliché, if you want. My point was that a lot of people think she hasn't a game plan, but only wents for her shots at the very first opportunity. A claim which I wanted to falsify.


(3) Well it's clear Julia CAN keep longer rallies but her mindset isn't programmed to play in that sort of game - she's a 3-4 shot max. type player...

The numbers at least of the last 2 games seem to tell a different story..

Dispeker
Sep 4th, 2011, 05:15 PM
Dear Dispeker, I really appreciate your research on this case, but the result is in a way like the german saying, "the science has detected, that margarine contains fat".
The question is, why she can`t develope this middle game, and what would help her, to do so.

Actually, my point was the opposite: She has a middle game, maybe not that perfected yet, but still.

joy division
Sep 4th, 2011, 06:19 PM
Actually, my point was the opposite: She has a middle game, maybe not that perfected yet, but still.

Sorry, I was flying over your post, so I stupidly drew an early conclusion. My fault:rolleyes:

But Imo it`s questionable to give too much to these statistics.
They are helpful to resume a match in some ways, but special details of the course of a match, which are very important, can not be seen.
Let`s take such a special situation in the end of the second set, when she defended some match points to 6-6, and the match actually was on the rocks.
At that moment, she was not able to transport this momentum as a kind of stimulation for the following tie-break.
In the contrary, it seemed to exhaust her, she missed 3 or 4 shots in a row, and the game finally was over. She had no middle game or any other game at all in this special situation, and therefore she lost the match.
She possibly was handycaped by her back overall in this match, but I doubt, that this was the main reason, for her loss.
We have here the fatigue theorie of Skoo, and some other ideas.
Imo this fatigue, that mentally and physically appears in the above described situation is just a symptom, of a deeper context here.

crazillo
Sep 4th, 2011, 07:30 PM
I also think you need to look at the things she does wrong over and over again, and not generalize too much from just one match. She has improved on many things, most notably her BH.

Skoo
Sep 4th, 2011, 07:40 PM
As I didn't see the match I can't tell why that ratio of UEs "exploded" in the 2nd set.

As regards the match against Peng it's rather clear that the lost LRs weren't decisive for the outcome of the match. Julia made the most mistakes in other situations.

Altough they were indeed many more in the second set, the collapse began at 2-1 in the first. She won that game from deuce and she began her next service game at 3-2 with a DF and ended it with a cheap error after a well constructed point. In the second set she called the trainer, had some massage and some painkillers and actually had a chance to win. Peng deserves all credit for doing her thing, serving well, not allowing any BP, and Julia deserves all appreciation for fighting despite her obvious suffering.

Besides the usual stupid errors, she started bashing at times, which can be understood (or, as Vikapower said, maybe she just can't have patience for a longer rally; actually Julia herself said that, but it wasn't quite the case recently). She was not moving very well and she had to close the points faster. She was struggling a lot with her serve and there was no chance for her to win the TB. I expected 2-3 points. It was worse...

There were also a few bad decisions and, as you can see in an earlier post of mine, I thought there were more of them and that they were more important, but after seeing (most of) the match again, I changed my mind.

Last but not least, I would say a good deal of misfortune was involved. If you look at the final at Stuttgart, there were quite a few balls that caught the line or were however very close to the line. In the last match there were quite a few balls that didn't go very wide or long, just 1-2 cm.

In many respects, the match was similar to the one at Dallas. I suspect she was having the same problem there as she was always stretching her back and had the same belief she can win in those circumstances.


At that moment, she was not able to transport this momentum as a kind of stimulation for the following tie-break.
In the contrary, it seemed to exhaust her, she missed 3 or 4 shots in a row, and the game finally was over.

There was actually no momentum, just some desperate fight with her inability and somewhat an euphoric state (if you watched later Haase vs Murray, you could see something very similar). As I said, there was no way she was going to win the TB. Her only chance would have been a gift from Peng on her service games or in the TB.


She possibly was handycaped by her back overall in this match, but I doubt, that this was the main reason, for her loss.
We have here the fatigue theorie of Skoo, and some other ideas.
Imo this fatigue, that mentally and physically appears in the above described situation is just a symptom, of a deeper context here.

Not possibly, definitely. You could see how she was breathing, how she was not moving, how she had some pain grimaces, was stretching her back, etc. Also, having so many UEs is not typical for her. The last time she probably had so many UEs was at Dallas (where, again, she probably had the same problem). The last match I know she had more UEs was against Caro at Copehangen (over 60). She keeps her UEs pretty low nowadays and she loses either by making them in key moments or being too passive.

Concerning fatigue... I have to reframe my thoughts somewhat. She is always receiving treatment for her back, she dropped out of Rome because of that (after many matches), she had the same problem in the final at Luxembourg (after many matches) and again last week. There probably is some fatigue involved, and you're prone to injuries when getting tired, but if so, they are both caused by not-so-good fitness and the pains must be more responsible for some of her losses. And some other things, like the cold she had at RG and the dental surgery before Bad Gastein. She's so vulnerable :) But considering her positive thinking and fighting spirit, we might hope she knows something we don't know and she might get rid of those problems soon. Some kind of training program or something :shrug:

Vikapower
Sep 4th, 2011, 09:01 PM
Besides the usual stupid errors, she started bashing at times, which can be understood (or, as Vikapower said, maybe she just can't have patience for a longer rally; actually Julia herself said that, but it wasn't quite the case recently). She was not moving very well and she had to close the points faster. She was struggling a lot with her serve and there was no chance for her to win the TB. I expected 2-3 points. It was worse...

Julia's mindset isn't organized to play more than a certain amount of shots - her % of losing a long rally really diminishes in time the more strokes [...]

In Stuttgart, Julia was very patient in the 2-3 first shots after her opponent's serve to prepare for her winners overall - now on HCs I don't know why suddenly she was trying to just T-off everything since the 2nd. or 3rd. stroke and she had very little success doing so...

That match against Peng nonetheless is difficult to judge since she wasn't obviously 100%... maybe with the pressure of being diminished forced her to press a little bit more.

Vikapower
Sep 4th, 2011, 09:09 PM
BTW I fell on this video on Youtube :lol: - there's are strong chance the poster is talking about the beauty because technically this young lady reminds me more Victoria Azarenkan than Julia... :lol: and since the video is making an emphasis on her FH this could really be confusing.

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I even operated a comparison between her and Julia and Vika with captions from my videos tsss, tsss, not Julia. :lol:

joy division
Sep 4th, 2011, 09:20 PM
Altough they were indeed many more in the second set, the collapse began at 2-1 in the first. She won that game from deuce and she began her next service game at 3-2 with a DF and ended it with a cheap error after a well constructed point. In the second set she called the trainer, had some massage and some painkillers and actually had a chance to win. Peng deserves all credit for doing her thing, serving well, not allowing any BP, and Julia deserves all appreciation for fighting despite her obvious suffering.

Besides the usual stupid errors, she started bashing at times, which can be understood (or, as Vikapower said, maybe she just can't have patience for a longer rally; actually Julia herself said that, but it wasn't quite the case recently). She was not moving very well and she had to close the points faster. She was struggling a lot with her serve and there was no chance for her to win the TB. I expected 2-3 points. It was worse...

There were also a few bad decisions and, as you can see in an earlier post of mine, I thought there were more of them and that they were more important, but after seeing (most of) the match again, I changed my mind.

Last but not least, I would say a good deal of misfortune was involved. If you look at the final at Stuttgart, there were quite a few balls that caught the line or were however very close to the line. In the last match there were quite a few balls that didn't go very wide or long, just 1-2 cm.

In many respects, the match was similar to the one at Dallas. I suspect she was having the same problem there as she was always stretching her back and had the same belief she can win in those circumstances.




There was actually no momentum, just some desperate fight with her inability and somewhat an euphoric state (if you watched later Haase vs Murray, you could see something very similar). As I said, there was no way she was going to win the TB. Her only chance would have been a gift from Peng on her service games or in the TB.




Not possibly, definitely. You could see how she was breathing, how she was not moving, how she had some pain grimaces, was stretching her back, etc. Also, having so many UEs is not typical for her. The last time she probably had so many UEs was at Dallas (where, again, she probably had the same problem). The last match I know she had more UEs was against Caro at Copehangen (over 60). She keeps her UEs pretty low nowadays and she loses either by making them in key moments or being too passive.

Concerning fatigue... I have to reframe my thoughts somewhat. She is always receiving treatment for her back, she dropped out of Rome because of that (after many matches), she had the same problem in the final at Luxembourg (after many matches) and again last week. There probably is some fatigue involved, and you're prone to injuries when getting tired, but if so, they are both caused by not-so-good fitness and the pains must be more responsible for some of her losses. And some other things, like the cold she had at RG and the dental surgery before Bad Gastein. She's so vulnerable :) But considering her positive thinking and fighting spirit, we might hope she knows something we don't know and she might get rid of those problems soon. Some kind of training program or something :shrug:

I have to admit, your argueing is pretty plausible, towards the last two games against Peng.
In the German interview after the match, she explicitly mentioned, that her back injury, affected her in some movements, but was not the main reason for her loss.
I`m not sure, whether she was serious there or not.
She said word by word a little bit stammering, that she had too many unforced errors in her game. She tried to play the angles to get her on the move, but couldn`t get this managed enough. And so she lost it -4 and -6.
However, I completely agree with your state, that she is vulnerable.
It can be some kind of spleen, but she uses handkerchiefs in nearly every match.
Her lower back problems interrelate with her wrong body posture in the upper body. She tends to hyperkyphosis. I fear, she will sooner or later get problems with her shoulder joints, too.
I don`t know, whether her constitution stands up to the physical charges of this sport, over many years.
Btw, from that point of view, she is build more like a swimmer or something.
She definitely has to take care of her body. She needs a better body posture and special training to avoid more serious damage, here.

Tennis Observer
Sep 4th, 2011, 09:38 PM
@ Dispeker: While I applaud for your efforts to break down IBM’s point score and I second this short line (“LRs weren't decisive for the outcome of the match") , allow me to direct you to Julia’s post match interview (http://de.eurosport.yahoo.com/video/02092011/73/goerges-fehler.html) (on Eurosport in German): She said that she moved below par & made too many errors. If I had to sum up the reasons for her loss in tweet-length, I would say: Because Julia’s movement was too slow she was too late at some (big) points and produced too many errors.

And if I have to break down the match, I would hold to these basics:

Julia was break up (31) at early stage of opening set because she varied the pace.
Later in the set her FH transformed from an asset to a liability because she was late and fired to often wide.
After Shuai rebreaked and hold (*56), Julia had to follow her to stay in the set. IMO Shuai’s execution of last set point was a flawless winner, but Julia’s service brought her under pressure to save two set points (on third he Chinese missed her opportunity).
In 2nd set Julia couldn’t confirm her early break (11*).
Later, she increased the risk but I don’t remember any return game she had an opportunity to break.
Maybe the TB would be contested, if Julia would have executed two net-approaches properly (but you know: If wishes were horses, beggars would ride).

To sum it up: Shuai’s win was uncontested.

@ Skoo: As I have to agree to disagree on most of these similar assumptions you get your hands on over and over again, I am unsure about your basics. To follow your pass, may I ask you six short questions:

Did Julia lost her SF in Madrid (5th match after a week-long break) against Victoria Azarenka because she was flat (from her tweet on 5/07/11: “battery was empty”) or due to low back injury? If for the latter: Why didn’t she retire?
Does Julia’s low back injury hinder her in getting fitter every day to get used to play five tough matches every week (her tweet from Rome on 5/08/11)?
Why did WTA not mention Julia’s appearance in 618K Brussels on Monday, May 9th (http://www.wtatennis.com/SEWTATour-Archive/Archive/Notes&Netcords/2011/may9.pdf) (from her tweet on 5/12/11: Unfortunately I had to pull out of Brussels as well. My back is better but still feeling a bit pain)?
If Julia keeps her UE pretty low nowadays, why did she lose eg. against Melanie Oudin at PM Key Biscayne, Laura Pos-Tio at 220K Bad Gastein & Maria Kirilenko at 718K Stanford?
If Julia felt the pain from dental surgery at 220K Bad Gastein and from her back at US Open, why is she able to play not only Doubles the next day but has also so much fun?
I see a misfit if someone has a fighting spirit on the one hand but is too passive on the other hand. Would you be so kind and elaborate?

joy division
Sep 4th, 2011, 09:51 PM
So a lot of action on Julia`s forum again.
As I can see, she has at any time more viewers, than the other German girls.
That`s interesting.

Dispeker
Sep 4th, 2011, 09:54 PM
I also think you need to look at the things she does wrong over and over again, and not generalize too much from just one match. She has improved on many things, most notably her BH.

Of course, and you are absolutely right here. To get a significant result you would have to analyze a lot of matches. So what I wrote above actually doesn't prove anything and I'm aware of that. This was not more than an indication of how Julia performed during those rallies. But I found it already interesting to shed some light on that certain aspect of her game. I know there is plenty of more to it.

Sorry, I was flying over your post, so I stupidly drew an early conclusion. My fault:rolleyes:

But Imo it`s questionable to give too much to these statistics.
They are helpful to resume a match in some ways, but special details of the course of a match, which are very important, can not be seen.
Let`s take such a special situation in the end of the second set, when she defended some match points to 6-6, and the match actually was on the rocks.
At that moment, she was not able to transport this momentum as a kind of stimulation for the following tie-break.
In the contrary, it seemed to exhaust her, she missed 3 or 4 shots in a row, and the game finally was over. She had no middle game or any other game at all in this special situation, and therefore she lost the match.
She possibly was handycaped by her back overall in this match, but I doubt, that this was the main reason, for her loss.
We have here the fatigue theorie of Skoo, and some other ideas.
Imo this fatigue, that mentally and physically appears in the above described situation is just a symptom, of a deeper context here.

Yes, I completely agree with you as well. As I wrote above I just wanted to concentrate on one single aspect of her game. Well, at least I got a discussion started again :)

Dispeker
Sep 4th, 2011, 10:14 PM
Altough they were indeed many more in the second set, the collapse began at 2-1 in the first. She won that game from deuce and she began her next service game at 3-2 with a DF and ended it with a cheap error after a well constructed point. In the second set she called the trainer, had some massage and some painkillers and actually had a chance to win. Peng deserves all credit for doing her thing, serving well, not allowing any BP, and Julia deserves all appreciation for fighting despite her obvious suffering.

Besides the usual stupid errors, she started bashing at times, which can be understood (or, as Vikapower said, maybe she just can't have patience for a longer rally; actually Julia herself said that,but it wasn't quite the case recently). She was not moving very well and she had to close the points faster. She was struggling a lot with her serve and there was no chance for her to win the TB. I expected 2-3 points. It was worse...

I got the feeling that she improved significantly in that area in the last couple of weeks - could be wrong here, of course. However, this was also a reason for me to take a closer look at it.

Apart from that, thanks for the interesting insights.

lupojohn
Sep 4th, 2011, 10:14 PM
Yeah, and Petko uses every chance to touch her, hug her, kiss her, and now she said "I love you!". This makes you forget about the disappointments :lol:

Well, what do you expect? Normally, I don't say this kind of thing, but Julia's such a hottie even Petko can't resist.

Dispeker
Sep 4th, 2011, 10:37 PM
@ Dispeker: While I applaud for your efforts to break down IBM’s point score and I second this short line (“LRs weren't decisive for the outcome of the match") , allow me to direct you to Julia’s post match interview (http://de.eurosport.yahoo.com/video/02092011/73/goerges-fehler.html) (on Eurosport in German): She said that she moved below par & made too many errors. If I had to sum up the reasons for her loss in tweet-length, I would say: Because Julia’s movement was too slow she was too late at some (big) points and produced too many errors.

And if I have to break down the match, I would hold to these basics:

Julia was break up (31) at early stage of opening set because she varied the pace.
Later in the set her FH transformed from an asset to a liability because she was late and fired to often wide.
After Shuai rebreaked and hold (*56), Julia had to follow her to stay in the set. IMO Shuai’s execution of last set point was a flawless winner, but Julia’s service brought her under pressure to save two set points (on third he Chinese missed her opportunity).
In 2nd set Julia couldn’t confirm her early break (11*).
Later, she increased the risk but I don’t remember any return game she had an opportunity to break.
Maybe the TB would be contested, if Julia would have executed two net-approaches properly (but you know: If wishes were horses, beggars would ride).

To sum it up: Shuai’s win was uncontested.

Thanks to you too for these insights. I got a better impression now of how the match developed.

I watched that video once again and was finally able to concentrate only on her words and not on her look. And yes, what she said is indeed mirrored by the numbers for the 2nd set. That explains a lot.

Skoo
Sep 5th, 2011, 12:24 AM
BTW I fell on this video on Youtube :lol: - there's are strong chance the poster is talking about the beauty because technically this young lady reminds me more Victoria Azarenkan than Julia... :lol: and since the video is making an emphasis on her FH this could really be confusing.

I saw that too some time ago. Got confused also :)


In the German interview after the match, she explicitly mentioned, that her back injury, affected her in some movements, but was not the main reason for her loss.
I`m not sure, whether she was serious there or not.
She said word by word a little bit stammering, that she had too many unforced errors in her game. She tried to play the angles to get her on the move, but couldn`t get this managed enough.

As Specter pointed out, most likely she was serious, in the sense that she thought she can win with those problems too. And she is right. Just needed a little bit more luck and help. There are a lot of injured players that manage to win :)


@ Skoo: As I have to agree to disagree on most of these similar assumptions you get your hands on over and over again, I am unsure about your basics. To follow your pass, may I ask you six short questions:

Did Julia lost her SF in Madrid (5th match after a week-long break) against Victoria Azarenka because she was flat (from her tweet on 5/07/11: “battery was empty”) or due to low back injury? If for the latter: Why didn’t she retire?
Does Julia’s low back injury hinder her in getting fitter every day to get used to play five tough matches every week (her tweet from Rome on 5/08/11)?
Why did WTA not mention Julia’s appearance in 618K Brussels on Monday, May 9th (http://www.wtatennis.com/SEWTATour-Archive/Archive/Notes&Netcords/2011/may9.pdf) (from her tweet on 5/12/11: Unfortunately I had to pull out of Brussels as well. My back is better but still feeling a bit pain)?
If Julia keeps her UE pretty low nowadays, why did she lose eg. against Melanie Oudin at PM Key Biscayne, Laura Pos-Tio at 220K Bad Gastein & Maria Kirilenko at 718K Stanford?
If Julia felt the pain from dental surgery at 220K Bad Gastein and from her back at US Open, why is she able to play not only Doubles the next day but has also so much fun?
I see a misfit if someone has a fighting spirit on the one hand but is too passive on the other hand. Would you be so kind and elaborate?


I could be wrong, of course, so I'm glad you disagree :) Now for answers:

1,2,3. Fatigue and lower back pain can be related and can both be caused by poor fitness. Against Vika, she might have felt tired, but she did continue to play because she thought she can win. Probably there was also a bit of pain which could be ignored for the moment, but the timing of the strokes suffered from it. I don't quite understand questions 2 and 3, but I'll just say that from what she said on Twitter it is pretty clear that she didn't participate in those tournaments because of the back pain. She needs to get fitter, she improved a lot, she can rally more, but it's still not enough, as it is obvious her back keeps causing her problems, especially on HCs.

4. IDK how many UEs she had against Oudin, Pous-Tio and Kiri. What I was trying to say is that she doesn't have such a big number of them like she did in the last match. Look at the matches from the last three majors, for example. She lost the last match because of too many UEs, but that wasn't the case at RG and Wimby.

5. I don't think she felt pain, but fatigue. She actually said that after the match and before the match against Pous-Tio at USO. She recovered for the doubles (or maybe it was just easier to win) and you get help there anyway. Having fun might also help, it boosts up your energy, unlike the singles situation where you feel more pressure.

6. You can have a fighting spirit, but you can relax at times, especially if you're not in the best condition. The fighting spirit reffers to the fact that she doesn't give up until the end no matter how hard it is. But I don't think she was passive for a moment at USO. I was reffering more to other matches, like those at RG, Wimby and Cincy.


So a lot of action on Julia`s forum again.
As I can see, she has at any time more viewers, than the other German girls.
That`s interesting.

Well, I would say she could be better than the other German girls :)