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TheBoiledEgg
Aug 18th, 2011, 04:51 PM
@alfsunde (http://twitter.com/#!/alfsunde) Alf Sunde
Caroline and Piotr have split ways, Piotr will no longer be Caroline's main coach. Caroline wanting to become more agressive.

GoofyDuck
Aug 18th, 2011, 04:52 PM
:headshot:

drama has started. :oh:

Pump-it-UP
Aug 18th, 2011, 04:52 PM
YES :devil:

Fantasy Hero
Aug 18th, 2011, 04:52 PM
for real :unsure:

spiceboy
Aug 18th, 2011, 04:52 PM
Meanwhile @ facebook...

http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/277020_172557269480815_3226674_q.jpg (http://www.facebook.com/sven.groeneveld)


Sven Groeneveld (http://www.facebook.com/sven.groeneveld)
when you fall down you must get up. Caroline was back on court at 8 am this morning for a 2 hour session. Back to the Basics. now heading over to Andy Murray's Match.



:oh:

John.
Aug 18th, 2011, 04:52 PM
:oh:

Not a wise decision right before a major though :weirdo: Gonna be interesting to see what she does at USO

Kworb
Aug 18th, 2011, 04:53 PM
And that's the end of Woz. Oh well, she tried.

flareon
Aug 18th, 2011, 04:53 PM
finally caro I now have some respect for you!

Hurley
Aug 18th, 2011, 04:53 PM
What a good idea, right before a Slam. Ask Hingis how that goes... :oh:

Vika & Fish
Aug 18th, 2011, 04:53 PM
:headshot:

drama has started. :oh:

:D:wavey:
http://lh5.ggpht.com/-Xvx81HjqjNA/SwBGHPikKVI/AAAAAAAAJhQ/2yCn3jVgz3s/azarenka32.jpg

Fantasy Hero
Aug 18th, 2011, 04:56 PM
And that's the end of Woz. Oh well, she tried.

she tried and has been world n°1 for a whole year almost :wavey:

DefyingGravity
Aug 18th, 2011, 04:57 PM
http://i41.tinypic.com/t4uru8.jpg

Shut the front door.

Betcha Piotr got the hell up on out of there:

http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/2101/catz.gif

Dodoboy.
Aug 18th, 2011, 04:58 PM
http://multimedia.ekstrabladet.dk/archive/00676/Britain_Wimbledon_T_676356m.jpg

To the left.

Great decision, about 7 months too late though!

Gregorio87
Aug 18th, 2011, 04:58 PM
No more Piotr :bigclap::yeah:
On short term it will be definitely bad for Woz but if she wants to win a slam one day she really needed this.

Sylvester
Aug 18th, 2011, 05:01 PM
I've always believed that it was Piotr who wanted her to be more aggressive and she was refusing to do so. I mean, look at their discussion yesterday and how Piotr was really mad that she was in full Lobniacki mode...

Mistress of Evil
Aug 18th, 2011, 05:01 PM
:eek: never say never, I guess :lol: Good luck to Karolina :D Daddy Piotr will be missed :awww:

Serenita
Aug 18th, 2011, 05:02 PM
Woz willing to fight! hope this doesn't affect their relationship to much.

Kim's_fan_4ever
Aug 18th, 2011, 05:02 PM
After all the crap he told her yesterday, I'm hardly surprised. Follows Aga's steps. It's all for the better :D Bye Piotr.

C. Drone
Aug 18th, 2011, 05:03 PM
#rorythehomewrecker


Good. Following her polish BFFs steps. :oh:
and considering how she felt apart this summer, you cant say this would hurt her USO chances. :lol:

delicatecutter
Aug 18th, 2011, 05:03 PM
It just keeps getting better and better!! :cheer:

Andiyan
Aug 18th, 2011, 05:04 PM
Scandalous!!!!!!! :bolt:

Vika & Fish
Aug 18th, 2011, 05:04 PM
Tiger Woods has just announced he's her new coach

Mikey.
Aug 18th, 2011, 05:05 PM
:spit:

Jimmie48
Aug 18th, 2011, 05:05 PM
Wow, major news!!

I didn't expect her to make this decision until things get even worse.... I´m proud of her for proving me wrong.

Yesterday's "coaching" really showed that it was the end of the road, it wasn't a fruitful relationship anymore.

I´m excited about the long term results of this, there may be a few bleak months ahead though...changing your style involves a lot of risk and hard work.

Vee Williams
Aug 18th, 2011, 05:06 PM
A good decision. I don't think timing is that bad. She hasn't been in good form the last few months, hasn't won a match in North America this summer... so, how can it get worse?

simonsaystennis
Aug 18th, 2011, 05:07 PM
I think this is a great decision. Hope Caroline can improve with a new voice. I've seen her hit more aggresively in practice, and if she can get that to translate to matches, she may just achieve that grand slam she is desperately hungry for. Best of luck Caroline!

hingis-seles
Aug 18th, 2011, 05:08 PM
Oh my. She's going to flame out at the US Open.

wildemu
Aug 18th, 2011, 05:08 PM
this is a terrible decision. I could understand if she was losing the whole year, but two first round losses and this happens?

Piotr probably didn't approve of the relationship and she told him to buzz off.

Only downhill from here.

doni1212
Aug 18th, 2011, 05:10 PM
After all the crap he told her yesterday, I'm hardly surprised. Follows Aga's steps. It's all for the better :D Bye Piotr.

That's probably why she was comfortable doing it. She just saw her BFF do it and have success. This might sound crazy but I'm sure that was a huge factor. "She did it so why can't I?"

Mary Cherry.
Aug 18th, 2011, 05:11 PM
http://multimedia.ekstrabladet.dk/archive/00676/Britain_Wimbledon_T_676356m.jpg

To the left.

Great decision, about 7 months too late though!

For once I agree with you.


I hope she hires a proper coach now, this Adidas team won't get her anywhere.

hablo
Aug 18th, 2011, 05:11 PM
After all the crap he told her yesterday, I'm hardly surprised. Follows Aga's steps. It's all for the better :D Bye Piotr.

What was he saying?

I'm curious to see what kind of game Wozniacki will have now that she wants to play a more aggressive style? :eek::banana:

joão.
Aug 18th, 2011, 05:11 PM
:help:

Jimmie48
Aug 18th, 2011, 05:11 PM
this is a terrible decision. I could understand if she was losing the whole year, but two first round losses and this happens?

Piotr probably didn't approve of the relationship and she told him to buzz off.

Only downhill from here.

According to the Danish media she made this decision right after losing in Wimbledon, so before she met Rory. I think the timing is right, she may lose a lot of points now but it will give her plenty of match time to work with to get in shape for 2012.

One can only applaude her courage. Sacking your coach that has brought you up through the ranks must be a very hard decision, if it's your father it must be a hundred times worse. But it will be the best for everybody in the long run, it's obvious that Piotr's expertise could only carry her this far.

Lucemferre
Aug 18th, 2011, 05:12 PM
What was he saying?

I'm curious to see what kind of game Wozniacki will have now that she wants to play a more aggressive style? :eek::banana:

Watch her sydney 2009 match vs Serena.

pedropt
Aug 18th, 2011, 05:13 PM
What did he say yesterday? :speakles:

I'll miss those monologues :oh:

Jimmie48
Aug 18th, 2011, 05:15 PM
What did he say yesterday? :speakles:

I'll miss those monologues :oh:

He went on a rant saying how she plays like a Junior, threatening to leave the court etc. She tried to silence him but he went on, he wasn't even trying to be helpful.

Miracle Worker
Aug 18th, 2011, 05:15 PM
No longer talks in Polish?

tennisfan5
Aug 18th, 2011, 05:15 PM
Maybe she should share JJ's coach and he can teach them both to "play to win, not play to push!"

Ian Aberdon
Aug 18th, 2011, 05:15 PM
Rory, now's your chance...:devil:

Noctis
Aug 18th, 2011, 05:17 PM
Finally she sees the problem

DefyingGravity
Aug 18th, 2011, 05:17 PM
Rory, now's your chance...:devil:

http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/8757/85583150.gif

I'm praying that she won't bang that bloody teenage looking hobbit.

Sombrerero loco
Aug 18th, 2011, 05:20 PM
nice decission caro ;)

pwayne
Aug 18th, 2011, 05:21 PM
According to the Danish media she made this decision right after losing in Wimbledon, so before she met Rory. I think the timing is right, she may lose a lot of points now but it will give her plenty of match time to work with to get in shape for 2012.

One can only applaude her courage. Sacking your coach that has brought you up through the ranks must be a very hard decision, if it's your father it must be a hundred times worse. But it will be the best for everybody in the long run, it's obvious that Piotr's expertise could only carry her this far.

Remember, the dad did not show up in Bastad which is in line with the Danish media report.

Jimmie48
Aug 18th, 2011, 05:21 PM
I'm praying that she won't bang that bloody teenage looking hobbit.

Yeah, I think it is safe to assume that this ship has already sailed...

Serenita
Aug 18th, 2011, 05:22 PM
He went on a rant saying how she plays like a Junior, threatening to leave the court etc. She tried to silence him but he went on, he wasn't even trying to be helpful.
Really!?
Some tennis parents are just :silly: Good for her trying to change her game. :hug:

iPatty
Aug 18th, 2011, 05:23 PM
Karolina can't be aggressive unless she completely revamps her strokes. Her technique is just so bad.

Adrian.
Aug 18th, 2011, 05:25 PM
Oh Caro :facepalm::oh:

BlueTrees
Aug 18th, 2011, 05:25 PM
She just realised she needs to be more aggressive :spit: :scratch:

Serenita
Aug 18th, 2011, 05:25 PM
Karolina can't be aggressive unless she completely revamps her strokes. Her technique is just so bad.
Well her BH isn't that bad, she needs work on her FH, and change her mindset.. which will be much harder to do then change her hf stroke.

Bonfire
Aug 18th, 2011, 05:29 PM
Wow!:eek: wasn't expecting to wake up to this news.
Good luck Caroline! After looking lackadaisical in past few matches...this change makes me feel that she does still care about her career! Not an easy decision to make when it's your father I would imagine.
This is gonna make the rest of her season even more interesting to tune into. The cool thing is that Caro has such a large amount of points that she can afford to mess around with her game even at this time of season without it ruining her ranking too badly.

Brad[le]y.
Aug 18th, 2011, 05:31 PM
Karolina can't be aggressive unless she completely revamps her strokes. Her technique is just so bad.Her backhand technique is actually pretty good.

Her FH? :help:

Jimmie48
Aug 18th, 2011, 05:33 PM
Oh Caro :facepalm::oh:

Wait, that's wrong now too? For years you haters have been talking about how she shoul ditch Piotr and now that she does it's still not good enough??

Mr.Sharapova
Aug 18th, 2011, 05:35 PM
:lol:. Good luck to her, cause she's gonna need it :yeah:.

Apoleb
Aug 18th, 2011, 05:36 PM
Karolina can't be aggressive unless she completely revamps her strokes. Her technique is just so bad.

She can be better at constructing points. Her backhand is good, but she can't follow it up with anything. It needs better court positioning.. trying to take the ball earlier, hitting more angles, hitting drive volleys. It's doable. It's about the mindset first and foremost.

Anyway, I thought this was going to happen. I'm surprised that Caroline was courageous to take the decision as early as she has. It's obvious their relationship is that of authority and his pressure is taking his toll on her. She probably got some advice fron Agniezka with her same issue with Daddy Radwanska. :oh:

Purple_Rain
Aug 18th, 2011, 05:38 PM
Great news for women's tennis. I'm actually going to root for Woz now, in hopes that her successes will inspire/pressure other players to fire Daddy and hire a legitimate coach. Of course, Woz won't get anywhere without retooling her game to be more aggressive.

Break My Rapture
Aug 18th, 2011, 05:38 PM
I actually approve if she took this decision because she wants to change her game, but not if she took this decision because Piotr wasn't A-okay with her Rory relationship. Either way, glad that we won't have to see Piotr's freaky Polish rants anymore.
For once I agree with you.


I hope she hires a proper coach now, this Adidas team won't get her anywhere.
Agreed, though most top-flight coaches are already occupied. And I don't think Rory would appreciate seeing Sergey Demekhine stretching with Caro. :oh:

misty1
Aug 18th, 2011, 05:39 PM
this is a smart move on her part

however the timing couldnt be any worse, i mean right before the US open?

Jorn
Aug 18th, 2011, 05:43 PM
Her dad says it will maybe work, "we will see"

He wanted to work long term, so she wins in 1-2 year a GS... we can see now she makes more Ues in her matches... tried to hit winners...

pokey camp
Aug 18th, 2011, 05:43 PM
That's probably why she was comfortable doing it. She just saw her BFF do it and have success. This might sound crazy but I'm sure that was a huge factor. "She did it so why can't I?"
Nope. Not crazy at all, when Aga finally dumped her dad I remember thinking: "Look out Piotr!" :scared:

They probably did talk with each other about their common problem.

Siderophyre
Aug 18th, 2011, 05:43 PM
She should have grabbed Michael Mortensen when he was available. That would have been a pretty good fit.

Jimmie48
Aug 18th, 2011, 05:43 PM
I actually approve if she took this decision because she wants to change her game, but not if she took this decision because Piotr wasn't A-okay with her Rory relationship.

Agreed, though most top-flight coaches are already occupied. And I don't think Rory would appreciate seeing Sergey Demekhine stretching with Caro. :oh:

Again, this is a moot point, she made the decision before meeting him. And I highly doubt that she would let her feelings influence her decisions in such a major way, even if she was super-duper in love.

Regarding the Adidas team, I don't think she made much use of them. Just a few days ago she was saying how she very rarely got to work with them.

Fantasy Hero
Aug 18th, 2011, 05:44 PM
Wait, that's wrong now too? For years you haters have been talking about how she shoul ditch Piotr and now that she does it's still not good enough??

http://www.gifflix.com/files/451abaad35a8.gif

coulnd't find the one with caro :tape:

ptkten
Aug 18th, 2011, 05:44 PM
Great decision long term for Caroline :yeah:

She may struggle at the U.S. Open but that relationship clearly was taking its toll on her and the change needed to be made.

Break My Rapture
Aug 18th, 2011, 05:45 PM
Karolina can't be aggressive unless she completely revamps her strokes. Her technique is just so bad.
Is that Rory McIlroy in your avatar? :oh:

MB.
Aug 18th, 2011, 05:47 PM
It's working for Aga, let's see what happens with Caroline.

Gilas.
Aug 18th, 2011, 05:47 PM
And I don't think Rory would appreciate seeing Sergey Demekhine stretching with Caro. :oh:

Maybe HE wants in on Sergey :oh:

misty1
Aug 18th, 2011, 05:48 PM
im thinking there's a good chance she could flame out at the US now

Mistress of Evil
Aug 18th, 2011, 05:48 PM
Is that Rory McIlroy in your avatar? :oh:

Please, do not offend Peter Dinklage in this vile manner :rolleyes:

wildemu
Aug 18th, 2011, 05:49 PM
i would love a darren cahill, wozniacki pairing.

But it'll never happen.

Jimmie48
Aug 18th, 2011, 05:49 PM
im thinking there's a good chance she could flame out at the US now

For sure, we shouldn't be expecting immediate results, she has been working with Piotr all her life, it will take some time for her to adjust.

But now that we know that it is part of a process disappointing results will be much easier to stomach :)

Mary Cherry.
Aug 18th, 2011, 05:51 PM
According to the Danish media she made this decision right after losing in Wimbledon, so before she met Rory. I think the timing is right, she may lose a lot of points now but it will give her plenty of match time to work with to get in shape for 2012.

One can only applaude her courage. Sacking your coach that has brought you up through the ranks must be a very hard decision, if it's your father it must be a hundred times worse. But it will be the best for everybody in the long run, it's obvious that Piotr's expertise could only carry her this far.

So the plan was for Piotr to leave after losing at Cincy? Seems strange.

améliemomo
Aug 18th, 2011, 05:51 PM
What was he saying?

I'm curious to see what kind of game Wozniacki will have now that she wants to play a more aggressive style? :eek::banana:

remind me of Jankovic fall. She also wanted to be more "agressive" after reaching world n°1. We saw how it worked:o

I think it is more difficult to turn agressive player when you're naturally defense player. The opposite is more easy imo.

Jimmie48
Aug 18th, 2011, 05:52 PM
So the plan was for Piotr to leave after losing at Cincy? Seems strange.

I´m not sure it is part of the plan that the news is revealed now. According to the Danish media, Piotr is still there because her new coach can't travel with her yet.

One can only imagine how her new coach must have reacted to Piotr's "coaching" at Cincy though... this surely can't be part of the plan at all, I don' think the new coach advised him to act like a d*ck.

Adrian.
Aug 18th, 2011, 05:54 PM
im thinking there's a good chance she could flame out at the US now

http://i941.photobucket.com/albums/ad255/zevavavoom/Petkodance-2.gif

iPatty
Aug 18th, 2011, 05:56 PM
Please, do not offend Peter Dinklage in this vile manner :rolleyes:

I think he was just making a joke, but still. Don't mess with the DINK.

Adrian.
Aug 18th, 2011, 05:56 PM
I´m not sure it is part of the plan that the news is revealed now. According to the Danish media, Piotr is still there because her new coach can't travel with her yet.

One can only imagine how her new coach must have reacted to Piotr's "coaching" at Cincy though... this surely can't be part of the plan at all, I don' think the new coach advised him to act like a d*ck.

he wasn't a dick :shrug::rolleyes:
He just said the truth.
she was playing like a junior and she was playing like an idiot and she was playing moonballs all the time...
someone has to open her eyes, Piotr wanted to, and now he is out :tears:

Wonder who will coach her now? Maybe Papa Radwanski :oh::haha::oh:

kaetchen
Aug 18th, 2011, 05:58 PM
I guess it's a good decision. But we'll see.

dsanders06
Aug 18th, 2011, 05:58 PM
While it's probably the right decision generally speaking, this is an AWFUL time to do it. Like I and other posters said weeks ago, she really needed to take a few weeks after Wimbledon to retool her game and make these sorts of decisions - which is what Radwanska did. But Wozniacki chose to go and play yet another MM in Sweden, and injured herself, meaning she could only practise for a couple of weeks before Toronto which simply isn't enough time to effectively make the sorts of improvements she needed to make - and unfortunately that decision has probably fucked-up the rest of her season.

Jimmie48
Aug 18th, 2011, 05:58 PM
he wasn't a dick :shrug::rolleyes:
He just said the truth.
she was playing like a junior and she was playing like an idiot and she was playing moonballs all the time...
someone has to open her eyes, Piotr wanted to, and now he is out :tears:



She was visibly down on confidence and you really think that kicking her while she's down will do anything good for her in that situation? Don't be a clown...

Adrian.
Aug 18th, 2011, 06:00 PM
She was visibly down on confidence and you really think that kicking her while she's down will do anything good for her in that situation? Don't be a clown...

so what he should have said in this situation? :weirdo:

Our trainer is always honest with us, even if we are down or not and I like it. :shrug: It helps me to get better if someone calls my faults and gets a bit louder...:shrug:

Jimmie48
Aug 18th, 2011, 06:01 PM
While it's probably the right decision generally speaking, this is an AWFUL time to do it. Like I and other posters said weeks ago, she really needed to take a few weeks after Wimbledon to retool her game and make these sorts of decisions - which is what Radwanska did. But Wozniacki chose to go and play yet another MM in Sweden, and injured herself, meaning she could only practise for a couple of weeks before Toronto which simply isn't enough time to effectively make the sorts of improvements she needed to make - and unfortunately that decision has probably fucked-up the rest of her season.

Are you unable to read? She made the decision after Wimbledon, right where you said she should! She's basicly doing everything you asked her to and it is still not enough? This is so incredibly dishonest, makes me sick....

She was obligated to play Bastad due to a contract made a year ago, there was no way to get out of that.

But I guess it's never enough for you...

theFutureisNow
Aug 18th, 2011, 06:04 PM
While it's probably the right decision generally speaking, this is an AWFUL time to do it. Like I and other posters said weeks ago, she really needed to take a few weeks after Wimbledon to retool her game and make these sorts of decisions - which is what Radwanska did. But Wozniacki chose to go and play yet another MM in Sweden, and injured herself, meaning she could only practise for a couple of weeks before Toronto which simply isn't enough time to effectively make the sorts of improvements she needed to make - and unfortunately that decision has probably fucked-up the rest of her season.

Well with her recent results, what does she really have to lose?

I don't think she is going to make any big changes until the off-season.

Also, if what people are saying about Piotr in Cincinnati is true, he should be "fired" immediately.

Jimmie48
Aug 18th, 2011, 06:04 PM
so what he should have said in this situation? :weirdo:



He could have pointed it out in a more constructive way, threatening her won't do any good. Plus, you can always mix criticsm with encouragement but there was nothing there..he just stomped on her.. if you think that's a clever thing to do in such a situation than you can't be helped.

Especially since he knows she's in a transition phase right now where errors are much more likely.

Viktymise
Aug 18th, 2011, 06:05 PM
Sven Groeneveld (http://www.facebook.com/sven.groeneveld)
when you fall down you must get up. Caroline was back on court at 8 am this morning for a 2 hour session. Back to the Basics. now heading over to Andy Murray's Match.

Lining up his next project once Failniacki falls into oblivion. What a vulture.

marineblue
Aug 18th, 2011, 06:07 PM
Geez,someone grew a pair :eek::cool:His antics at the last match were probably the last straw. So I take it Sven will be her head coach from now on,right?

dsanders06
Aug 18th, 2011, 06:08 PM
She can be better at constructing points. Her backhand is good, but she can't follow it up with anything. It needs better court positioning.. trying to take the ball earlier, hitting more angles, hitting drive volleys. It's doable. It's about the mindset first and foremost.

Honestly I don't agree with most people when they say her forehand is what she needs to work on. I think she's got it to be about as good as it's ever going to be with her poor technique on that wing. I actually think when she's feeling confident with it, she's able to consistently get a good length on it so it's not easily attackable, and she's also able to generate some decent angles with it, which gives her easy putaways. It's certainly not a huge weapon, but I don't think it's the giant liability that most people think it is, and it's about as good as it's ever going to be without her majorly re-working the technique on that shot (which would probably be suicide at her age).

By contrast, the key for her should be a more aggressive mindset on her backhand. She's actually capable of hitting technically-perfect backhands down-the-line on the rise...but she just doesn't do it anywhere near enough. She needs to go and study videos of Jankovic c.2007/08, who played similarly to Wozniacki in that she was a pure grinder and just defended most of the point, but was able to pull the trigger when she got a short ball and finish the point off with a bh down the line. Plus she needs to get her serve back to where it was last year, when some solid first serves were giving her a few cheap points each game. But those types of improvements need a few weeks of solid practice, where she doesn't feel pressured if it doesn't work a few days in a row because she doesn't have any matches coming up ... but she wasted that window of opportunity after Wimbledon, and she'll probably have to wait until the off-season to get another decent training block to make major changes to her game, by which time her confidence will probably have plunged after goodness knows how many beatings.

dsanders06
Aug 18th, 2011, 06:09 PM
Are you unable to read? She made the decision after Wimbledon, right where you said she should! She's basicly doing everything you asked her to and it is still not enough? This is so incredibly dishonest, makes me sick....

She was obligated to play Bastad due to a contract made a year ago, there was no way to get out of that.

But I guess it's never enough for you...

Then she shouldn't have signed that contract (which presumably involved a lot of $s).

Jimmie48
Aug 18th, 2011, 06:09 PM
So I take it Sven will be her head coach from now on,right?

No, her new coach wasn't in Cincy because he can't travel with her just yet.

Jimmie48
Aug 18th, 2011, 06:11 PM
Then she shouldn't have signed that contract (which presumably involved a lot of $s).

So you blame her for past mistakes now too? She's trying to radically change her approach and you´re still completely unable to give her any kind of credit...unbelivable.

Adrian.
Aug 18th, 2011, 06:14 PM
No, her new coach wasn't in Cincy because he can't travel with her just yet.

She is world number one since one year or so and can't hire a coach who wants to travel with her? :oh::spit:

Kim's_fan_4ever
Aug 18th, 2011, 06:15 PM
What was he saying?

I'm curious to see what kind of game Wozniacki will have now that she wants to play a more aggressive style? :eek::banana:

He started his rant that he's about to leave the court and then went on saying she's playing like a junior, she's playing idiotically and when Caro told him to be quiet (well not literally), he said: WHAT QUIET? And he continued :facepalm: Unfortunetaly ES stopped showing them shortly after.

faboozadoo15
Aug 18th, 2011, 06:16 PM
I've always believed that it was Piotr who wanted her to be more aggressive and she was refusing to do so. I mean, look at their discussion yesterday and how Piotr was really mad that she was in full Lobniacki mode...

Umm, he also used to count her errors on his hands and flash them at her when she was winning easy matches.... I think it shaped her mentality poorly.

Jimmie48
Aug 18th, 2011, 06:16 PM
She is world number one since one year or so and can't hire a coach who wants to travel with her? :oh::spit:

Give it a rest, not even you can be dumb enough to not understand that.

bavaria86
Aug 18th, 2011, 06:16 PM
:rolls::rolls:

Monzanator
Aug 18th, 2011, 06:16 PM
She's only 21. WTA hasn't been saved yet! ;) And I wonder what will everyone say this time next year when she hits 30 winners instead of five :lol:

dsanders06
Aug 18th, 2011, 06:17 PM
So you blame her for past mistakes now too? She's trying to radically change her approach and you´re still completely unable to give her any kind of credit...unbelivable.

Do you have a source that she made this decision after Wimbledon?

And my point is she's probably making the right decisions too late.

DOUBLEFIST
Aug 18th, 2011, 06:17 PM
I hope she can make this change. She could be very fun to watch.

I think it's more mental than anything else. She has to be willing to risk more.

If she's serious about this, she going to have to be very patient with herself and take a few beatings. I think she could be up to the task, but the pressure from those around her who make money off of her results and stature is going to be enormous. She going to have to show real strength of character.

Fantasy Hero
Aug 18th, 2011, 06:20 PM
She is world number one since one year or so and can't hire a coach who wants to travel with her? :oh::spit:

can't is different from doesn't want :rolleyes:
if i break you a leg you can't play tennis but you would love to :yeah:

Vikapower
Aug 18th, 2011, 06:20 PM
Kind of expected, Wozniacki if really she wants to progress needs a real technician but her game has so much flaw anyways.

hurricanejeanne
Aug 18th, 2011, 06:21 PM
It will either work or it won't. :shrug:

But I really can't see her changing her game so drastically and it working. Her forehand isn't flat enough for her to hit through it on a regular basis. She needs to make her backhand a weapon to have a chance at being aggressive by going down the line; cutting off the angles. Otherwise she'll just fall back into being a defensive player.

Jimmie48
Aug 18th, 2011, 06:22 PM
Do you have a source that she made this decision after Wimbledon?

And my point is she's probably making the right decisions too late.

Too late? She's 21!!

The source is Piotr in an interview with Danish Ekstra Bladet

ElusiveChanteuse
Aug 18th, 2011, 06:22 PM
:eek:

Adrian.
Aug 18th, 2011, 06:23 PM
can't is different from doesn't want :rolleyes:
if i break you a leg you can't play tennis but you would love to :yeah:

Give it a rest, not even you can be dumb enough to not understand that.

oh you 2 :facepalm:
I know what you want to say me, but HELLO, it's world number 1, so always should have a plan B :shrug:
And why split up with Piotr when she knows her new coach can't come with her :rolleyes::facepalm:

marineblue
Aug 18th, 2011, 06:24 PM
Umm, he also used to count her errors on his hands and flash them at her when she was winning easy matches.... I think it shaped her mentality poorly.

:eek: Time to get fired!
I think their personal relationship must suck as well. At least her mother looks as a pleasant woman.

dsanders06
Aug 18th, 2011, 06:24 PM
Too late? She's 21!!

But the other players have already smelt blood. And it's unlikely there's going to be many more Slams as wide open as there have been in the last 12 months, now that Serena is back, Maria seems to be getting back to form, and that the Kvitova Generation is settling down.

Jimmie48
Aug 18th, 2011, 06:27 PM
But the other players have already smelt blood. And it's unlikely there's going to be many more Slams as wide open as there have been in the last 12 months, now that Serena is back, Maria seems to be getting back to form, and that the Kvitova Generation is settling down.

That's all speculation on your part. If she manages to improve her game towards being more agressive she won't need to rely on "wide open" slams anymore...

Saying that it is to late for a 21 year-old to make changes to her game is pure nonsense. She has most of her career still ahead of her, even if she loses a full year adapting to these changes it will be worth it.

Fantasy Hero
Aug 18th, 2011, 06:28 PM
oh you 2 :facepalm:
I know what you want to say me, but HELLO, it's world number 1, so always should have a plan B :shrug:
And why split up with Piotr when she knows her new coach can't come with her :rolleyes::facepalm:

just tell me another former world n°1 of the past years who had a plan B?
it's just Serena and Henin :shrug:
see JJ run out of gas and when she couldn't make much with BH she got back to nowhere
Ajde Ana had too instable groundstrokes and one by one they all let her down
Safina :hug: she demanded too much to her body

who's left? :unsure:

oh and just for you to know but in 2011 Caro's A plan was trying to be aggressive
plan B pushing :rolleyes: oh wait, you would never accept that :yeah:

DownInAHole
Aug 18th, 2011, 06:28 PM
Great news for women's tennis. I'm actually going to root for Woz now, in hopes that her successes will inspire/pressure other players to fire Daddy and hire a legitimate coach. Of course, Woz won't get anywhere without retooling her game to be more aggressive.

:wavey: Purple Rain, I heartily approve of your name.

Jimmie48
Aug 18th, 2011, 06:28 PM
I think their personal relationship must suck as well. At least her mother looks as a pleasant woman.

I hope that Patrik will spend more time on tour with her, he seems to be a very nice guy and he has quit his football career not too long ago. She definetely needs all the support she can get right now..

deliverance.
Aug 18th, 2011, 06:29 PM
GOATdecision.

-NAJ-
Aug 18th, 2011, 06:30 PM
Where is her mom? I didn't see her in players box

Adrian.
Aug 18th, 2011, 06:30 PM
just tell me another former world n°1 of the past years who had a plan B?
it's just Serena and Henin :shrug:
see JJ run out of gas and when she couldn't make much with BH she got back to nowhere
Ajde Ana had too instable groundstrokes and one by one they all let her down
Safina :hug: she demanded too much to her body

who's left? :unsure:

oh and just for you to know but in 2011 Caro's A plan was trying to be aggressive
plan B pushing :rolleyes: oh wait, you would never accept that :yeah:

With plan B I meant someone who coaches her since wimbledon, if she wants to split up with Piotr and her other coach can't go with her :shrug:
I mean, she should have enough money to find someone good, who would travel with her for at least 2-3 months, or so long when the new coach will be able to go with her :shrug:
Wasn't talking about her game style though :shrug:

Potato
Aug 18th, 2011, 06:31 PM
A total revamp of the forehand is needed if she wants to be more aggressive.

debby
Aug 18th, 2011, 06:31 PM
Wow that's great ! I thought that she was refusing to do some changes in her own game, to wonder why she was not a grand slam champion yet... that's also why i disliked Caro... big champions have worked their ass to win a Slam, they never thought "Ok I will wait to have a bit of luck and I will win a Slam :D :D" , they were assed to work harder and to think about their own game. That's why I thought Caro was not a champion.
But she proves me wrong, she sacked her father whom she was very close to. :eek: I hope she will be okay.
I hope as well that she will be able to bring some little changes in her game, because she needs it to win a Slam, and it would be nice to see another young player steeping it up, because well at the moment, we have only Kvitova :unsure:

GoofyDuck
Aug 18th, 2011, 06:32 PM
That's all speculation on your part. If she manages to improve her game towards being more agressive she won't need to rely on "wide open" slams anymore...

Saying that it is to late for a 21 year-old to make changes to her game is pure nonsense. She has most of her career still ahead of her, even if she loses a full year adapting to these changes it will be worth it.

Are you her representative or something? You have 5 posts per page in this thread ... :confused:

Jimmie48
Aug 18th, 2011, 06:33 PM
Are you her representative or something? You have 5 posts per page in this thread ... :confused:

So? :confused:

Fantasy Hero
Aug 18th, 2011, 06:34 PM
With plan B I meant someone who coaches her since wimbledon, if she wants to split up with Piotr and her other coach can't go with her :shrug:
I mean, she should have enough money to find someone good, who would travel with her for at least 2-3 months, or so long when the new coach will be able to go with her :shrug:
Wasn't talking about her game style though :shrug:

I think that if you decide to leave your coach in the middle of the season is not easy to find a good coach who can free himself all of a sudden :shrug:
she indeed decided to do that after wimbledon together with dad, but waited untill now to break up and get this new coach :shrug:
that's much better than some random firing/hiring thing that other big names did in the past :shrug:

Adrian.
Aug 18th, 2011, 06:34 PM
Are you her representative or something? You have 5 posts per page in this thread ... :confused:

:oh::spit::oh:

debby
Aug 18th, 2011, 06:34 PM
That's all speculation on your part. If she manages to improve her game towards being more agressive she won't need to rely on "wide open" slams anymore...

Saying that it is to late for a 21 year-old to make changes to her game is pure nonsense. She has most of her career still ahead of her, even if she loses a full year adapting to these changes it will be worth it.

Justine Henin was a "pusher" (well she was not :lol: , but she lacked of power in 2002 if you compare that Henin with Henin afterwards) yet she managed to change her game at 20 yo... and won her first Slam at 21.
She said that Caro has everything to become a champion, because she knows how to hit the ball and to disrupte her oppopnent's rhythm. I would rather believe Justine than tennisforum :shrug: her pushing was really annoying but let's face it, she knows the basics of tennis even though she needs to work on her volleys...

doni1212
Aug 18th, 2011, 06:35 PM
remind me of Jankovic fall. She also wanted to be more "agressive" after reaching world n°1. We saw how it worked:o

I think it is more difficult to turn agressive player when you're naturally defense player. The opposite is more easy imo.

Jank was my first thought as well. I expect similar results here too.

Adrian.
Aug 18th, 2011, 06:35 PM
I think that if you decide to leave your coach in the middle of the season is not easy to find a good coach who can free himself all of a sudden :shrug:
she indeed decided to do that after wimbledon together with dad, but waited untill now to break up and get this new coach :shrug:
that's much better than some random firing/hiring thing that other big names did in the past :shrug:

see at her results after Wimbledon...:oh:

debby
Aug 18th, 2011, 06:36 PM
With plan B I meant someone who coaches her since wimbledon, if she wants to split up with Piotr and her other coach can't go with her :shrug:
I mean, she should have enough money to find someone good, who would travel with her for at least 2-3 months, or so long when the new coach will be able to go with her :shrug:
Wasn't talking about her game style though :shrug:

Money doesn't make everything, what if she wants to be someone she likes and she gets along well with ? :tape:

Hurley
Aug 18th, 2011, 06:37 PM
Justine Henin was a "pusher" (well she was not :lol: , but she lacked of power in 2002 if you compare that Henin with Henin afterwards) yet she managed to change her game at 20 yo... and won her first Slam at 21.

Justine improved her fitness, her mental strength, and possibly her serve. The fundamentals of her groundstrokes did not change (I'm including her volleys) and that's where Wozniacki is a fail. Do you know how hard it would be for her -- hell, ANYONE -- to completely revamp technique on a groundstroke? That's a HUGE ask.

Fantasy Hero
Aug 18th, 2011, 06:38 PM
see at her results after Wimbledon...:oh:

:facepalm: i think that out of all people on this forum a Domachovska fan shouldn't talk about slumps :rolleyes:

Adrian.
Aug 18th, 2011, 06:38 PM
Money doesn't make everything, what if she wants to be someone she likes and she gets along well with ? :tape:

But if I had to chose between my dad, with whom I split up and someone totally new, for some months, I would def. take the new one :shrug:
It surely was a strange atmosphere for her to work with her dad altough she didn't want to no longer :shrug:
Makes no sense for me, but well..

Adrian.
Aug 18th, 2011, 06:40 PM
:facepalm: i think that out of all people on this forum a Domachovska fan shouldn't talk about slumps :rolleyes:

:haha:
What has Domachowska to do with a slump?
she is 39-12 this year, better look what Sucketta is doing atm :oh:

and we are talking about number 1 and not someone outside top 100 :rolleyes:

Fantasy Hero
Aug 18th, 2011, 06:41 PM
But if I had to chose between my dad, with whom I split up and someone totally new, for some months, I would def. take the new one :shrug:
It surely was a strange atmosphere for her to work with her dad altough she didn't want to no longer :shrug:
Makes no sense for me, but well..

so you didn't get anything of my post :facepalm:
sorry for my english once again as you seem to never understand what i say...

maybe she didn't want a random coach, but she wanted one so she had to wait for him to be free :scratch:
so even if she decided to fire her dad in June she still hadn't done that before today...maybe :p

Jimmie48
Aug 18th, 2011, 06:42 PM
But if I had to chose between my dad, with whom I split up and someone totally new, for some months, I would def. take the new one :shrug:
It surely was a strange atmosphere for her to work with her dad altough she didn't want to no longer :shrug:
Makes no sense for me, but well..

They´re still father and daughter, they have to find a new way to deal with it each other when it comes to tennis. It would of course be much easier to sack a normal coach, this is a complicated situation.

It needs time, it's a fundamental change and everyone involved will need some time to adjust.

Fantasy Hero
Aug 18th, 2011, 06:43 PM
:haha:
What has Domachowska to do with a slump?
she is 39-12 this year, better look what Sucketta is doing atm :oh:

and we are talking about number 1 and not someone outside top 100 :rolleyes:

i do always make the same mistake...i overrate your intelligence :facepalm:
i give up...you won :rolleyes: enjoy that belief she will disappear soon :wavey:

Adrian.
Aug 18th, 2011, 06:44 PM
so you didn't get anything of my post :facepalm:
sorry for my english once again as you seem to never understand what i say...

maybe she didn't want a random coach, but she wanted one so she had to wait for him to be free :scratch:
so even if she decided to fire her dad in June she still hadn't done that before today...maybe :p

but both knew about that since June!
So, you think the atmosphere between them was good since then? :unsure:
I wouldn't like to work with someone together, I decided to fire for some reason :shrug:

Then I would prefer to work alone or take the help of the adidas team :shrug:

Curcubeu
Aug 18th, 2011, 06:45 PM
Not surprised at all. as I said, the atmosphere during the "on-court coaching" was very tense and frozen. But that she will dump him so fast is quite surprising to me! :worship:

Poor Caro, there certainly was a huge argument between her and her dad after the match yesterday. :hug:

I hope the situation won't influence their private relationship that much, but on the other hand, losing influence on Caro is probably one of the biggest concerns of Piotr... :o

Adrian.
Aug 18th, 2011, 06:46 PM
i do always make the same mistake...i overrate your intelligence :facepalm:
i give up...you won :rolleyes: enjoy that belief she will disappear soon :wavey:

it would be better for you, because someone in a slump, is for example Peer or Shvedova and surely not Marta :wavey:

KoOlMaNsEaN
Aug 18th, 2011, 06:47 PM
I guess Caro has finally listened to her critics and has decided that if she is to win that GS she needs to be more aggressive.
I'm not convinced her father was the problem though, being aggressive is a mental approach and almost has to be instinctive. On a neutral ball do u just loop it back or hit it for a winner down the line, the decisions is a split second one and it has to be your instinct to want to hit the winner.
It will take some time that's for sure, I'll be interested to hear who her new coach is now.

Londoner
Aug 18th, 2011, 06:49 PM
You can't make a silk purse out of flannel.

Fantasy Hero
Aug 18th, 2011, 06:49 PM
it would be better for you, because someone in a slump, is for example Peer or Shvedova and surely not Marta :wavey:

because Marta has never been on a slump :facepalm:
really i overrate your IQ

Adrian.
Aug 18th, 2011, 06:51 PM
because Marta has never been on a slump :facepalm:
really i overrate your IQ

bad argument :)
EVERYONE has been on a slump in his/her career :cheer:

debby
Aug 18th, 2011, 06:51 PM
Justine improved her fitness, her mental strength, and possibly her serve. The fundamentals of her groundstrokes did not change (I'm including her volleys) and that's where Wozniacki is a fail. Do you know how hard it would be for her -- hell, ANYONE -- to completely revamp technique on a groundstroke? That's a HUGE ask.

serve is a fundamental of her groundstrokes.
She revamped her forehand as well.

Wozniacki already managed to get to #1 with a solid but no more serve and a poor forehand :shrug:

debby
Aug 18th, 2011, 06:52 PM
it is easier not to be in slump if you are playing only small tournaments :lol:

Bonfire
Aug 18th, 2011, 06:53 PM
I guess Caro has finally listened to her critics and has decided that if she is to win that GS she needs to be more aggressive.
I'm not convinced her father was the problem though, being aggressive is a mental approach and almost has to be instinctive. On a neutral ball do u just loop it back or hit it for a winner down the line, the decisions is a split second one and it has to be your instinct to want to hit the winner.
It will take some time that's for sure, I'll be interested to hear who her new coach is now.


Me too! At risk of sounding delusional...I'm hoping it's Navratilova:worship:
Now that would be a welcomed "BOMBSHELL" thread!

Jimmie48
Aug 18th, 2011, 06:55 PM
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Me too! At risk of sounding delusional...I'm hoping it's Navratilova:worship:
Now that would be a welcomed "BOMBSHELL" thread!

It's a possibility, she has been linked to her in the past, even though Navratilova apparantly demanded a huge salary.

I know it's not that important of a factor but I would love if it's actually someone she has to speak English with so we can listen in on the on-court coaching.

But it's probably a Danish coach so we switch from Polish to Danish :lol:

GoofyDuck
Aug 18th, 2011, 06:56 PM
because Marta has never been on a slump :facepalm:
really i overrate your IQ

bad argument :)
EVERYONE has been on a slump in his/her career :cheer:

I know you 2 are actually very fond of each other :)

Bingain
Aug 18th, 2011, 07:00 PM
I hope this will be a good change, a great change. :bigclap:

I guess Caro has finally listened to her critics and has decided that if she is to win that GS she needs to be more aggressive.
I'm not convinced her father was the problem though, being aggressive is a mental approach and almost has to be instinctive. On a neutral ball do u just loop it back or hit it for a winner down the line, the decisions is a split second one and it has to be your instinct to want to hit the winner.
It will take some time that's for sure, I'll be interested to hear who her new coach is now.

Not critics. I guess people often overate themselves and underrate the players. Most of the time they know their problems, they know what to improve. But knowing is one thing; being able to execute it is another. That's what separates pros who makes millions to us talkers.

Obviously she needs to take that potentially risky step, for good or for worse. Let's see. I'm interested as well.

ETA: Someone mentioned Aga and I agree that Aga could be an inspiration, a positive inspiration. Wish both gals success.

Apoleb
Aug 18th, 2011, 07:01 PM
Justine improved her fitness, her mental strength, and possibly her serve. The fundamentals of her groundstrokes did not change (I'm including her volleys) and that's where Wozniacki is a fail. Do you know how hard it would be for her -- hell, ANYONE -- to completely revamp technique on a groundstroke? That's a HUGE ask.

Justine's 2007 forehand - a GOAT shot - looked nothing like the 2000-2002 loopy mess it was. Even quite different from the 2003 forehand, where she could hit it very flat but not with the same top spin and variation she built in 2007. And by 2010, she change it even more - hitting it with no backswing whatsoever. It was not a smart move, but when it was on, it was scary good. So yes, Justine totally changed the fundamentals of her forehand, from a loopy mess into a brilliant shot in 2007.

But then I'd agree that the likelihood of Woz pulling this is extremely small. Justine is the exception. No one else has played with her technique as much as she did and improved as she has well in her 20s. This needs incredible courage, commitment, determination and talent.. and I don't think "Caro" has any of them. :tape:

marineblue
Aug 18th, 2011, 07:02 PM
it is easier not to be in slump if you are playing only small tournaments :lol:

You mean 100K ITF tournies like the Kvitty GOAT?:tape:

Soliloque
Aug 18th, 2011, 07:02 PM
I know you 2 are actually very fond of each other :)

You've missed some episodes then.

Bonfire
Aug 18th, 2011, 07:03 PM
It's a possibility, she has been linked to her in the past, even though Navratilova apparantly demanded a huge salary.

I know it's not that important of a factor but I would love if it's actually someone she has to speak English with so we can listen in on the on-court coaching.

But it's probably a Danish coach so we switch from Polish to Danish :lol:

True! I watch all of Caro's matches and not once could understand anything that was being said by Piotr which can be frustrating as a fan cuz you don't know if what he is saying is genius or hurtful to Caro.

Adrian.
Aug 18th, 2011, 07:04 PM
True! I watch all of Caro's matches and not once could understand anything that was being said by Piotr which can be frustrating as a fan cuz you don't know if what he is saying is genius or hurtful to Caro.

I understood it, so Piotr was ok :cheer:

timafi
Aug 18th, 2011, 07:05 PM
Rory strikes again! :facepalm: :tape:

debby
Aug 18th, 2011, 07:11 PM
Vika OFF :hysteric: :tears: (too late for that thing if you are reading me :p )

marineblue
Aug 18th, 2011, 07:12 PM
So has many others, you know like real no.4, real no.7... It still shines on her resume together with inconsistent results at those "small tournaments" as you like to call them. :lol:

carling
Aug 18th, 2011, 07:19 PM
Good for Caroline! I totally disagree with those concerned about the timing of the coaching change. Yes, the US Open begins in less than two weeks, but so what? Caroline needs to stop the rot NOW or she has no chance there anyway.

This is a huge step forward and I am proud of Caroline for making what I'm sure was a very difficult decision. After all, he is her father.

Lunaris
Aug 18th, 2011, 07:29 PM
I don't think it's a good move. Wozniatski should have continued to play like a moonballer, because that's what she does best/is how she is used to play. That style might not win her any major (who knows), but it surely would earn her a lot of money and a great living.
Any major change in her game is going to be very difficult to get used to for her. In her age she is already a complete player and will have troubles to learn to play differently. She is done imo.

Fuzzylogic
Aug 18th, 2011, 07:43 PM
Good luck to her, it's a huge risk to try an alter any part of your game once you're a full fledged pro, but at least she wants to try and that's a good thing. I don't know If it'll really work or make a GS winning difference, but it'd be fun watching her try.


She's only 21. WTA hasn't been saved yet! ;) And I wonder what will everyone say this time next year when she hits 30 winners instead of five :lol:

I really don't see the change being that drastic.

gc-spurs
Aug 18th, 2011, 07:43 PM
Good move Woznirory!

She might suck at USO cause of it, but its gonna be good for her in the long run.

The Reff
Aug 18th, 2011, 07:46 PM
So the plan was for Piotr to leave after losing at Cincy? Seems strange.

Maybe the plan was for Piotr to leave when they found a suitable coach?

dsanders06
Aug 18th, 2011, 07:47 PM
Justine's 2007 forehand - a GOAT shot - looked nothing like the 2000-2002 loopy mess it was. Even quite different from the 2003 forehand, where she could hit it very flat but not with the same top spin and variation she built in 2007. And by 2010, she change it even more - hitting it with no backswing whatsoever. It was not a smart move, but when it was on, it was scary good. So yes, Justine totally changed the fundamentals of her forehand, from a loopy mess into a brilliant shot in 2007.

But Justine didn't change the fundamentals of her technique. She made relatively minor adjustments and changed her mindset on the shot, but the grip in particular always stayed pretty much the same I think. Whereas Wozniacki, if she was to revamp her forehand into a shot which had as much explosiveness as Justine's forehand, would need to completely change her grip, which is pretty much impossible for a 21-year-old to do, unless they were to take a full season off or something. On the forehand specifically, it's just too late for Caroline - because of her grip and fundamental technique, there's just a pretty low ceiling of potential for her on that shot.

Debby, there's some truth in what you're saying, but the fact is Caroline's fundamentals (timing, feel and athleticism) are nowhere near as strong as Justine's. While she's not as talentless as some people on here claim, Wozniacki was ALWAYS going to need a lot of stars to align for her to win a Slam, because there's just too many players who on their day are better than her, and always will be no matter how much she tinkers with her game. The consensus on here late last year was that if Woz was going to get a Slam, she really needed to get one this year with Serena out and Woz's peers still not ready... and it looks like she's not going to do it, and these changes are coming too late.

Apoleb
Aug 18th, 2011, 07:50 PM
But Justine didn't change the fundamentals of her technique. She made relatively minor adjustments and changed her mindset on the shot, but the grip in particular always stayed pretty much the same I think. Whereas Wozniacki, if she was to revamp her forehand into a shot which had as much explosiveness as Justine's forehand, would need to completely change her grip, which is pretty much impossible for a 21-year-old to do, unless they were to take a full season off or something. On the forehand specifically, it's just too late for Caroline - because of her grip and fundamental technique, there's just a pretty low ceiling of potential for her on that shot.

Debby, there's some truth in what you're saying, but the fact is Caroline's fundamentals (timing, feel and athleticism) are nowhere near as strong as Justine's. While she's not as talentless as some people on here claim, Wozniacki was ALWAYS going to need a lot of stars to align for her to win a Slam, because there's just too many players who on their day are better than her, and always will be no matter how much she tinkers with her game. The consensus on here late last year was that if Woz was going to get a Slam, she really needed to get one this year with Serena out and Woz's peers still not ready... and it looks like she's not going to do it, and these changes are coming too late.

She totally changed the swing. A LOT. It was shortened tremendously cause it was huge even after she won the first slam. She also started to take the ball much earlier. And by 2010 there was almost no back swing at all. Watch clips and it looks almost like a different shot. If that's not the "fundamentals of the stroke" what is? Those changes are not "relatively minor" by any stretch.

Vincey!
Aug 18th, 2011, 07:52 PM
Am I the only one who thinks that it's not gonna work out well :shrug:

NA-GOAT
Aug 18th, 2011, 07:55 PM
so who is her coach now ??? Sven ???

Sammo
Aug 18th, 2011, 08:04 PM
She's gonna win the US Open :eek: No I don't think so but I definately think it's better for her, she's not like Martina Hingis whose boundaries with her mother were incredible

dsanders06
Aug 18th, 2011, 08:12 PM
She totally changed the swing. A LOT. It was shortened tremendously cause it was huge even after she won the first slam. She also started to take the ball much earlier. And by 2010 there was almost no back swing at all. Watch clips and it looks almost like a different shot. If that's not the "fundamentals of the stroke" what is? Those changes are not "relatively minor" by any stretch.

Grip.

Mary Cherry.
Aug 18th, 2011, 08:30 PM
Maybe the plan was for Piotr to leave when they found a suitable coach?

Wouldn't they have announced who the new coach was at the same time?

Jimmie48
Aug 18th, 2011, 08:35 PM
Wouldn't they have announced who the new coach was at the same time?

They won't reveal the coach just yet. Add to the fact that he's not able to travel with her yet it strongly suggest that he is still involved with another party as of now.

Kasey
Aug 18th, 2011, 08:37 PM
I think it was a good decision:) We'll se in New York how she handles with it, hopefully she'll be more confident, but I won't be surprised with another 3 or 4R loss.

The Reff
Aug 18th, 2011, 08:39 PM
They won't reveal the coach just yet. Add to the fact that he's not able to travel with her yet it strongly suggest that he is still involved with another party as of now.

A poach coach :p

LCS
Aug 18th, 2011, 08:40 PM
Maybe a fresh view will help her. Good move.

smarties
Aug 18th, 2011, 08:42 PM
But Justine didn't change the fundamentals of her technique. She made relatively minor adjustments and changed her mindset on the shot, but the grip in particular always stayed pretty much the same I think. Whereas Wozniacki, if she was to revamp her forehand into a shot which had as much explosiveness as Justine's forehand, would need to completely change her grip, which is pretty much impossible for a 21-year-old to do, unless they were to take a full season off or something. On the forehand specifically, it's just too late for Caroline - because of her grip and fundamental technique, there's just a pretty low ceiling of potential for her on that shot.

Debby, there's some truth in what you're saying, but the fact is Caroline's fundamentals (timing, feel and athleticism) are nowhere near as strong as Justine's. While she's not as talentless as some people on here claim, Wozniacki was ALWAYS going to need a lot of stars to align for her to win a Slam, because there's just too many players who on their day are better than her, and always will be no matter how much she tinkers with her game. The consensus on here late last year was that if Woz was going to get a Slam, she really needed to get one this year with Serena out and Woz's peers still not ready... and it looks like she's not going to do it, and these changes are coming too late.

It takes a special talent to make such huge changes (What about the number of times she tweaked her serve :eek:) and stay at the top. Henin was that kind of a player, Pushniacki isn't...

new-york
Aug 18th, 2011, 08:45 PM
Oh my. She's going to flame out at the US Open.

With or without him, she doesn't look like she'll do anything at the USO, but at least, she'll feel some relief.

That will help. Gonna be interesting.

BluSthil
Aug 18th, 2011, 09:26 PM
Maybe the best thing that ever happened for one's career that is quickly slipping away !!!

Fighterpova
Aug 18th, 2011, 09:31 PM
She fired her father :spit:

She wants to save her career by getting a new coach..I bet it will work out fine :o
Stupid Woz, why can't she just stay in a slump?

goldenlox
Aug 18th, 2011, 09:35 PM
I've seen Petrova go thru a lot of coaches, her style of play didnt change much.

Lets see how this goes. She's #1 for the last 9 months, I dont think her game needs to be deconstructed and rebuilt.

I'm interested to see who is the new coach & what adjustments are being made.

ZODIAC
Aug 18th, 2011, 09:36 PM
she should keep her father close and introduce a different hitting partner who can help her for sparring.I dont think a new coach is going to do much...I wish her all the best because she is a nice young lady from agood family but seems to be listening to the media.I hope she continues to work with her father because he has her best interests at heart...

edificio
Aug 18th, 2011, 09:40 PM
It's a good move, even though the timing isn't perfect.

propi
Aug 18th, 2011, 09:43 PM
Vamos Caro :yeah:
May this change bring you lot of success :banana:

-NAJ-
Aug 18th, 2011, 09:44 PM
new coach is Robert Radwanski :oh:

edificio
Aug 18th, 2011, 09:46 PM
new coach is Robert Radwanski :oh:

He can get together with Yuri, Damir, and Piotr and create a fired tennis fathers club.

Miracle Worker
Aug 18th, 2011, 09:51 PM
new coach is Robert Radwanski :oh:

Robert can go to Wozniacki and Piotr to Radwanska.

Wozniacki needs some technique and thinking lessons and Radwanska some fitness lessons.

Cinek
Aug 18th, 2011, 09:52 PM
http://i1.kwejk.pl/site_media/obrazki/52103-house.gif

madmax
Aug 18th, 2011, 09:54 PM
Is Rory gonna coach her ass now?:oh:

-NAJ-
Aug 18th, 2011, 09:54 PM
Wozniacki, father end coaching relationship

World No. 1 Caroline Wozniacki and her father, Piotr, have ended their coaching relationship, Ekstra Bladet reports. The father and daughter apparently discussed her moving in another direction after Dominika Cibulkova upset Wozniacki at Wimbledon. The Wozniackis are said to have hired a new private coach to travel with Caroline, but he/she has yet to come on board, so Piotr went with Caroline to Toronto and Cincinnati.

Wozniacki fell in the opening round of both tournament, to Roberta Vinci in Toronto and to Christina McHale in Cincinnati.
Piotr was heard yelling at the slumping Caroline when he came on court during her loss to McHale.


The identity of the new coach is so far unknown but is said to be a former touring pro. Wozniacki has also worked with adidas Player Development coach Sven Groenefeld. Piotr Wozniacki, a former soccer player in Denmark, is said to have encouraged his daughter to try someone else out. Wozniacki, who has yet to win a Grad Slam, has been criticized for playing too defensively.

"We've heard from morning to night how Caroline should play," Piotr told the newspaper. "So now she tries something else. It is intended that she should be a very aggressive player. But as you can see, she cannot win matches right now, because she does not know how she should play. But whatever, I'm Caroline's father, and I will always support her."

edificio
Aug 18th, 2011, 09:57 PM
Wozniacki, father end coaching relationship

World No. 1 Caroline Wozniacki and her father, Piotr, have ended their coaching relationship, Ekstra Bladet reports. The father and daughter apparently discussed her moving in another direction after Dominika Cibulkova upset Wozniacki at Wimbledon. The Wozniackis are said to have hired a new private coach to travel with Caroline, but he/she has yet to come on board, so Piotr went with Caroline to Toronto and Cincinnati.

Wozniacki fell in the opening round of both tournament, to Roberta Vinci in Toronto and to Christina McHale in Cincinnati.
Piotr was heard yelling at the slumping Caroline when he came on court during her loss to McHale.


The identity of the new coach is so far unknown but is said to be a former touring pro. Wozniacki has also worked with adidas Player Development coach Sven Groenefeld. Piotr Wozniacki, a former soccer player in Denmark, is said to have encouraged his daughter to try someone else out. Wozniacki, who has yet to win a Grad Slam, has been criticized for playing too defensively.

"We've heard from morning to night how Caroline should play," Piotr told the newspaper. "So now she tries something else. It is intended that she should be a very aggressive player. But as you can see, she cannot win matches right now, because she does not know how she should play. But whatever, I'm Caroline's father, and I will always support her."

Maybe he should shut up. That might help. :rolleyes:

Break My Rapture
Aug 18th, 2011, 10:00 PM
Wouldn't be surprised if Mats Wilander is her new coach. :lol: He's always way up in her ass during Mats Point and his other show. Or perhaps one of those retired Swedes? :confused:

2moretogo
Aug 18th, 2011, 10:00 PM
Someone tweeted during Caro's match yesterday that even Caroline's dad doesn't like her. Guess there was more to that than meets the eye.

Also interesting that Justin Gimblestob commented yesterday after Piotr moved away from Rory (sat infront of him or something) that it wasn't a good sign for their interpersonal relationship.

Guess not!

Sombrerero loco
Aug 18th, 2011, 10:02 PM
demekhine & the woz, hottest pair ever

2moretogo
Aug 18th, 2011, 10:04 PM
According to the Danish media she made this decision right after losing in Wimbledon, so before she met Rory. I think the timing is right, she may lose a lot of points now but it will give her plenty of match time to work with to get in shape for 2012.

One can only applaude her courage. Sacking your coach that has brought you up through the ranks must be a very hard decision, if it's your father it must be a hundred times worse. But it will be the best for everybody in the long run, it's obvious that Piotr's expertise could only carry her this far.

You're fucking kidding right? She's only known Rory for the summer and he's following her to US cities? This is either very manufactured or extremely rushed (could be both).

Patrick345
Aug 18th, 2011, 10:10 PM
You're fucking kidding right? She's only known Rory for the summer and he's following her to US cities? This is either very manufactured or extremely rushed (could be both).

He´s filthy rich and his right wrist is hurt. Sounds like a smart play. :devil:

Jimmie48
Aug 18th, 2011, 10:20 PM
You're fucking kidding right? She's only known Rory for the summer and he's following her to US cities? This is either very manufactured or extremely rushed (could be both).

She met him at a boxing fight in Hamburg 1-2 days before Bastad, after Wimbledon. They´re not exactly getting married yet so I don't really see how it is rushed..they know each other for almost two months, why is it odd that he comes to see her play?

Eugh.... I can't believe I´m actually defending that little shit...

KarlyM*
Aug 18th, 2011, 10:23 PM
I think this is a good decision, but I wonder how much a coaching change could really help her.

Bingain
Aug 18th, 2011, 10:31 PM
He´s filthy rich and his right wrist is hurt. Sounds like a smart play. :devil:

Smart play, possibly (actually most likely :devil:)

Filthy rich is not a factor. According to Forbes, Caro was the 2nd highest paid female athlete for the past year and made $12.5m. Forbes also listed the top 50 earning athletes (men & women.) Sharapova was the only chick on that list with $24.2m. The #50 guy was Michael Redd (basketball player) who made $18.8m. Rory was not on the list, so he couldn't have made much more than the Woz.

Highest-Paid Female Athletes 2011 – Forbes (http://www.therichest.org/sports/forbes-highest-paid-female-athletes/)
The World’s Highest-Paid Athletes 2011 - Forbes (http://blogs.forbes.com/kurtbadenhausen/2011/05/31/the-worlds-highest-paid-athletes/)

Jimmie48
Aug 18th, 2011, 10:32 PM
I think we can agree on the fact that she neither picked him because of money or his looks, it has to be something else.

BikezAreForever!
Aug 18th, 2011, 10:34 PM
Surprised about timing. It almost look like someone hitting a panic button. Hopefully her game will benefit from it. It would be shame to lose another top player when WTA lost so many of them lately. :o

Rest Maria!
Aug 18th, 2011, 10:37 PM
When you start regressing from being the most consistent player on the tour to the point where anyone from Top 100 can beat you on any day, changing the coach is probably the most obvious thing to do, family or not. One has to wonder how could Wozniacki collapse this much?

Ryan
Aug 18th, 2011, 10:38 PM
Seems a little....frantic? But I think it can't hurt to TRY something different. Obviously she can't change her game overnight, but maybe even a different outlook will help her in New York? I'm cautiously optimistic.

MB.
Aug 18th, 2011, 10:50 PM
Why is everyone critizing her more now? I feel like many of her "haters" pointed out to the fact that her father sucked at a coach--well, now he's not anymore, so you should be happy about that.

Yes, she's having trouble adjusting, but this could be the start of something new, a better, stronger player once Caroline transitions more into becoming more aggressive on court.

AcesHigh
Aug 18th, 2011, 10:58 PM
Good move. She needs a real coach and I'm sure theres a lot of qualified people more than willing to help her make the next jump.

2moretogo
Aug 18th, 2011, 11:08 PM
I think we can agree on the fact that she neither picked him because of money or his looks, it has to be something else.

Publicity perhaps? It happens alot. I became suspicious after twittergate. But I aint knocking her if she's having a bit of fun.

Smitten
Aug 18th, 2011, 11:12 PM
What is she planning to do to become more aggressive? Karolina is not able to take the ball early with direction changes off the FH, she can't volley, and she can't return aggressive off her FH wing.

The only thing she could do is stop spinning in innocuous first serves randomly and drive her BH more especially on return. She doesn't even have a base to build an aggressive game on.

Jimmie48
Aug 18th, 2011, 11:13 PM
She has been agressive in the past, it have only been flukes but it worked out pretty well while it lasted. She just needs to find the confidence to stick to it when things get tough...

Lunaris
Aug 18th, 2011, 11:18 PM
Looks like she listens to media and actually cares what people say about her game. And it bothers her obviously. I am somewhat sorry for her, this pressure must be overwhelming for such a young girl and she doesn't seem ready to deal with it. She should continue to play like she always did and not care about any so called tennis experts, but that is harder than it may seem.

Smitten
Aug 18th, 2011, 11:18 PM
I don't even rate her dropping over 30 winners on someone with the resistance of Pennetta off the ground.

brickhousesupporter
Aug 18th, 2011, 11:21 PM
Good luck with this decision Caro. Hope it works out for you.

BTW, why is their no Bombshell in the title, if ever a bombshell was needed, this is it.

AcesHigh
Aug 19th, 2011, 12:13 AM
Looks like she listens to media and actually cares what people say about her game. And it bothers her obviously. I am somewhat sorry for her, this pressure must be overwhelming for such a young girl and she doesn't seem ready to deal with it. She should continue to play like she always did and not care about any so called tennis experts, but that is harder than it may seem.

I think she's probably been listening to greats who have played the game and have all been saying the same. She needs something more to take her game to the next level. If she wants to just stay consistent and win titles, she should stay the course. However, her goal seems to be to win slams.

As far as her father goes.. if she cared so much about the media, she would have dumped him a while ago. I think this is more about Aga's influence, her recent ineffectiveness... and the blow-up the other day.

sammy01
Aug 19th, 2011, 12:27 AM
This is such a mess and looks so desperate. we all know caro's dad is a complete tool and this just proves it.

the proper way to have dealt with this is brought in someone, added them to the team, have her dad still on board even if he takes a complete backseat. then it doesn't look so desperate to get her game going again, and you don't have this mess of a fallout.

even though i dislike caro, i hope she finds someone to help her in the right direction, to get her figuring things out on court herself and to help her schedule towards doing well at the slams.

Six Feet Under
Aug 19th, 2011, 12:28 AM
:spit:

AcesHigh
Aug 19th, 2011, 12:55 AM
the proper way to have dealt with this is brought in someone, added them to the team, have her dad still on board even if he takes a complete backseat.

I usually agree with you.. but I disagree 100%. Can you imagine Piotr taking a back seat?? And it's not just his words that affect her. He is her father and his presence alone seems to have an effect on her. He needs to be out of her coaching circle and to keep his mouth shut before, during and after matches. I'd even ask him to not come to matches for a while. He's just too much.

Pops Maellard
Aug 19th, 2011, 01:12 AM
:eek: This can only be good for Caro. Maybe she'll find a coach that can teach her how to hit a forehand, volleys and proper slice. :cheer:

Blu€
Aug 19th, 2011, 01:19 AM
I dunno about this :unsure: I liked old Caro. Soon to say I just hope she brings back the 1 digit UE count!

dsanders06
Aug 19th, 2011, 01:20 AM
Why were people thinking that she already had a new coach enlisted? According to Matt Cronin, her management have said she's still looking for a coach...

bobbynorwich
Aug 19th, 2011, 01:21 AM
I saw the match in Cincy ---where she lost to qualifier McHale and after which she fired her father as a coach --- and observed the following:

* her Dad was showing some strongly negative body language whenever Caroline lost a point, and she did not look happy about that.
* her new boyfriend, star golfer Rory McElroy, was in the players' box (as in Wimbledon where she did badly) near her Dad and he was intensely involved in the match as well. She seemed to look more at Rory than her Dad.

Only a guess, but I wonder if Dad stated that Rory wasn't helping and she --- as a young woman in love --- disagreed. She is 21 after all, time to 'fly the coop.'

Reptilia
Aug 19th, 2011, 01:26 AM
Great decision! :cheer:

She may bomb out at the open, but she is prob thinking longterm.

sammy01
Aug 19th, 2011, 01:30 AM
I usually agree with you.. but I disagree 100%. Can you imagine Piotr taking a back seat?? And it's not just his words that affect her. He is her father and his presence alone seems to have an effect on her. He needs to be out of her coaching circle and to keep his mouth shut before, during and after matches. I'd even ask him to not come to matches for a while. He's just too much.

i don't know. he seems a driving force behind her though ad without him she may not be as focussed. or at least gradually he could have only come to less and less tournaments and only the big ones. like yuri did with maria when the rooney lookalike guy was taking over.

Jimmie48
Aug 19th, 2011, 01:31 AM
Why were people thinking that she already had a new coach enlisted? According to Matt Cronin, her management have said she's still looking for a coach...

The Danish media reports that there's a new coach already, he's just not ready to travel with her yet and the name won't be revealed yet. That hints at the conclusion that the new coach is still under contract with somebody else... and maybe her camp has switched to this kind of statement to avoid confusion and guessing games.

BepaMaria
Aug 19th, 2011, 02:01 AM
Smart decision from the pusher:yeah:. Her dad was always going to be a liability in her game and for these two months, it has clearly shown. A new coach would probably help her to change her game and be more aggressive, but I still doubt her chances to win slams:shrug:

homogenius
Aug 19th, 2011, 02:23 AM
oh noes.poor Piotr :awww:

wildemu
Aug 19th, 2011, 02:33 AM
oh noes.poor Piotr :awww:

i know it wasn't your intention, but this cracked me up.

TheBoiledEgg
Aug 19th, 2011, 02:36 AM
Good luck with this decision Caro. Hope it works out for you.

BTW, why is their no Bombshell in the title, if ever a bombshell was needed, this is it.

kinda forgot :p it was that much of a bombshell

PLP
Aug 19th, 2011, 02:40 AM
Wozniacki, father end coaching relationship

World No. 1 Caroline Wozniacki and her father, Piotr, have ended their coaching relationship, Ekstra Bladet reports. The father and daughter apparently discussed her moving in another direction after Dominika Cibulkova upset Wozniacki at Wimbledon. The Wozniackis are said to have hired a new private coach to travel with Caroline, but he/she has yet to come on board, so Piotr went with Caroline to Toronto and Cincinnati.

Wozniacki fell in the opening round of both tournament, to Roberta Vinci in Toronto and to Christina McHale in Cincinnati.
Piotr was heard yelling at the slumping Caroline when he came on court during her loss to McHale.


The identity of the new coach is so far unknown but is said to be a former touring pro. Wozniacki has also worked with adidas Player Development coach Sven Groenefeld. Piotr Wozniacki, a former soccer player in Denmark, is said to have encouraged his daughter to try someone else out. Wozniacki, who has yet to win a Grad Slam, has been criticized for playing too defensively.

"We've heard from morning to night how Caroline should play," Piotr told the newspaper. "So now she tries something else. It is intended that she should be a very aggressive player. But as you can see, she cannot win matches right now, because she does not know how she should play. But whatever, I'm Caroline's father, and I will always support her."

I am glad Piotr is supporting this, I actually feel for him. He wants his daughter to win so badly and he can't help her anymore it seems. Hope they hired someone great.
GL in NY Caro!!

coolalah
Aug 19th, 2011, 03:19 AM
I saw the match in Cincy ---where she lost to qualifier McHale and after which she fired her father as a coach --- and observed the following:

* her Dad was showing some strongly negative body language whenever Caroline lost a point, and she did not look happy about that.
* her new boyfriend, star golfer Rory McElroy, was in the players' box (as in Wimbledon where she did badly) near her Dad and he was intensely involved in the match as well. She seemed to look more at Rory than her Dad.

Only a guess, but I wonder if Dad stated that Rory wasn't helping and she --- as a young woman in love --- disagreed. She is 21 after all, time to 'fly the coop.'

Awwww.

Rome
Aug 19th, 2011, 03:21 AM
The thing with caro she plays scaried tennis She can hit with pace,power but choose not to hit the ball. If she can get in to the mind set you have hit the ball she will be ok. I seen her do it when she has nothing to lose when she played the Number one player in the world which was Serena at the time. I know i sound like a brokeing record but that match in 09 Showed me she could do it. But like i said when she is the clear fav she plays scaried tennis when down. Instead of saying im going to hit my way out of this.

kaktusino
Aug 19th, 2011, 03:34 AM
I don't think it's a good move. Wozniatski should have continued to play like a moonballer, because that's what she does best/is how she is used to play. That style might not win her any major (who knows), but it surely would earn her a lot of money and a great living.
Any major change in her game is going to be very difficult to get used to for her. In her age she is already a complete player and will have troubles to learn to play differently. She is done imo.

This.

gc-spurs
Aug 19th, 2011, 04:02 AM
Smart play, possibly (actually most likely :devil:)

Filthy rich is not a factor. According to Forbes, Caro was the 2nd highest paid female athlete for the past year and made $12.5m. Forbes also listed the top 50 earning athletes (men & women.) Sharapova was the only chick on that list with $24.2m. The #50 guy was Michael Redd (basketball player) who made $18.8m. Rory was not on the list, so he couldn't have made much more than the Woz.

Highest-Paid Female Athletes 2011 – Forbes (http://www.therichest.org/sports/forbes-highest-paid-female-athletes/)
The World’s Highest-Paid Athletes 2011 - Forbes (http://blogs.forbes.com/kurtbadenhausen/2011/05/31/the-worlds-highest-paid-athletes/)

Those lists were probably made before Rory's big win though. But yeah I'd say Caro is definitely richer. She has far more titles than him and has fared better in the majors. Look for that to change though with his breakthrough win. Even if he's fug, Tiger-less golf is so lame that he's gonna nab some endorsements. And golf is such a rich man's sport.

On to Woz, this may do nothing to re-create her game, but again a different perspective would surely help.

perseus2006
Aug 19th, 2011, 04:33 AM
By being "more aggressive" I cannot believe that Woz plans to grow 30 cm and become a First Strike Big Babe High Risk Ball Striker like Pova! She simply doesn't need to do that: she is quick around the court, anticipates extremely well and is almost always in a position to strike the ball.

By "more aggressive" I think she wants to often strike the ball with the intention to win the point rather than just put it back in play. In every match I have seen her play, there have been a dozen or more points in which she had the opportunity to strike for a winner but didn't; she just put the ball in play.

I think she can do this thing, slowly, maybe starting with a more offensive mind set just on the BH. She can study her own vids to get an idea of game situations where she could be more offensive minded. Of course, constant work on the serve: make it more than just a way to start the rally.

She can do this with hard work, practice and incredible concentration during matches.

wildemu
Aug 19th, 2011, 04:35 AM
those quotes from piotr do not sound like ringing endorsements to me, in fact he sounds exasperated. The "but whatever" kind of confirms that for me.

Bonfire
Aug 19th, 2011, 05:35 AM
By being "more aggressive" I cannot believe that Woz plans to grow 30 cm and become a First Strike Big Babe High Risk Ball Striker like Pova! She simply doesn't need to do that: she is quick around the court, anticipates extremely well and is almost always in a position to strike the ball.

By "more aggressive" I think she wants to often strike the ball with the intention to win the point rather than just put it back in play. In every match I have seen her play, there have been a dozen or more points in which she had the opportunity to strike for a winner but didn't; she just put the ball in play.

I think she can do this thing, slowly, maybe starting with a more offensive mind set just on the BH. She can study her own vids to get an idea of game situations where she could be more offensive minded. Of course, constant work on the serve: make it more than just a way to start the rally.

She can do this with hard work, practice and incredible concentration during matches.

Perfect Post:clap2:

Pops Maellard
Aug 19th, 2011, 05:41 AM
I dunno about this :unsure: I liked old Caro.

Masochist.

young_gunner913
Aug 19th, 2011, 05:55 AM
Good for her. But now who is she gonna call out every few games?

Brad[le]y.
Aug 19th, 2011, 06:05 AM
ROFL at BepaMaria using Kworb's 'saviours of the WTA' mantra :happy:

bandabou
Aug 19th, 2011, 06:12 AM
Hmmmm.....a coaching change, huh?! It won't matter if the attitude doesn't change.

She doesn't have to turn into a full-mode attack player like the WS, Sharapova, et al on their glory days. She just has to learn to STEP it up on the key moments.

Maria rocks
Aug 19th, 2011, 09:01 AM
Thats GREAT news for Caroline. She should have done this ages ago but no matter at least she has finally taken the initiative.

Richie's
Aug 19th, 2011, 09:05 AM
Jealous of BFF Lady Aga?? :lol:

JAS_
Aug 19th, 2011, 09:23 AM
OMG what a moron. Say goodbye to your career right now.
They succumbed to the pressure of 'critics' but really just haters.
The idea is and always was the same: the same with JJ, Safina, Woz.
To get them to tinker with their game and thus destabilize them.
But how many people in history of this sport have successfully changed their playing style?
Even Lendl, one of the all time greats tried to do it to win Wimbly, and failed.
Just look at what happened with Ana (who is trying to be less of a ballbasher, JJ who is trying to be more aggressive, Safina with her change of Krajan).
Or Justine after the comeback - so many examples.
And really, once the doubt is inserted, you can stick a fork in them. Because now, they want to change the game the they have built for years and is now automatic to them to something that isn't natural, isn't automatic. But the real problem is the lack of measure in this attempted change. So, they go too much in the other direction: like JJ trying to be aggressive and ends up being an UE machine, or Ana trying not to ballbash and turn into a pusher.
Then they realize they are overdoing it, so they start thinking about it - should I play this, should I play that, because they have no feel of the other style. So now they lose the flow that comes with instinctual playing and that's pretty much it.

Ana fans sometimes joke that Woz is mimicking Ana, but seriously gurl, this is too much (and too stupid).

freeandlonely
Aug 19th, 2011, 09:26 AM
Great decision.
Look at the big picture, timing is not important at all.
She would not have won coming USO anyway, and she isn't losing No.1 soon, so what the hell?

gdmirou
Aug 19th, 2011, 09:26 AM
By being "more aggressive" I cannot believe that Woz plans to grow 30 cm and become a First Strike Big Babe High Risk Ball Striker like Pova! She simply doesn't need to do that: she is quick around the court, anticipates extremely well and is almost always in a position to strike the ball.

By "more aggressive" I think she wants to often strike the ball with the intention to win the point rather than just put it back in play. In every match I have seen her play, there have been a dozen or more points in which she had the opportunity to strike for a winner but didn't; she just put the ball in play.

I think she can do this thing, slowly, maybe starting with a more offensive mind set just on the BH. She can study her own vids to get an idea of game situations where she could be more offensive minded. Of course, constant work on the serve: make it more than just a way to start the rally.

She can do this with hard work, practice and incredible concentration during matches.

Exactly. :)

Lachy
Aug 19th, 2011, 10:12 AM
Good to hear Caro ;)

Navratil
Aug 19th, 2011, 10:16 AM
Martina Hingis dropped her mum once as a coach for a couple of weeks and drew Dokic in Wimbledon in the first round. She lost 0:6 2:6.

I'd love to see Wozniacki vs Dokic at the US-Open first round :D

young_gunner913
Aug 19th, 2011, 10:24 AM
Martina Hingis dropped her mum once as a coach for a couple of weeks and drew Dokic in Wimbledon in the first round. She lost 0:6 2:6.

I'd love to see Wozniacki vs Dokic at the US-Open first round :D

Woz may be playing bad at the moment but she's not playing that bad.

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l9g0l2b04K1qzbn8no1_250.gif

justine schnyder
Aug 19th, 2011, 10:34 AM
Oh dear.
now she wants to become more aggressive? where was this idea few months/years ago?

Juju Nostalgique
Aug 19th, 2011, 10:54 AM
:rolls: :oh: :rolls:

Fall, cometh, fall! :woohoo:

ZODIAC
Aug 19th, 2011, 11:25 AM
Caro looks so disinterested with tennis and needs a break.I think a break from tennis after the Open is importnt.

brickhousesupporter
Aug 19th, 2011, 12:10 PM
I hope Caro understands that being a more aggresive player has its risks.....she will become more injury prone, she will have to consume more energy when playing aggressive....this will mean she has to play less tournaments so she does not burn out. Justine tried that, and she was retired a year later.

Jose-Luis
Aug 19th, 2011, 12:39 PM
She needs a break and not a new coach, playing every week and losing won't help.

Italian power
Aug 19th, 2011, 01:12 PM
I think that GOATmila must do the same :rolleyes:

debby
Aug 19th, 2011, 01:25 PM
OMG what a moron. Say goodbye to your career right now.
They succumbed to the pressure of 'critics' but really just haters.
The idea is and always was the same: the same with JJ, Safina, Woz.
To get them to tinker with their game and thus destabilize them.
But how many people in history of this sport have successfully changed their playing style?
Even Lendl, one of the all time greats tried to do it to win Wimbly, and failed.
Just look at what happened with Ana (who is trying to be less of a ballbasher, JJ who is trying to be more aggressive, Safina with her change of Krajan).
Or Justine after the comeback - so many examples.
And really, once the doubt is inserted, you can stick a fork in them. Because now, they want to change the game the they have built for years and is now automatic to them to something that isn't natural, isn't automatic. But the real problem is the lack of measure in this attempted change. So, they go too much in the other direction: like JJ trying to be aggressive and ends up being an UE machine, or Ana trying not to ballbash and turn into a pusher.
Then they realize they are overdoing it, so they start thinking about it - should I play this, should I play that, because they have no feel of the other style. So now they lose the flow that comes with instinctual playing and that's pretty much it.

Ana fans sometimes joke that Woz is mimicking Ana, but seriously gurl, this is too much (and too stupid).

you are so clueless :tape:
Justine was almost 30 when she tried to change her game for the nth time especially :tape:
Ana is a journeywoman, she doesn't have that much of talent
Safina got injured :weirdo:
Jankovic lost her speed on the court, but she got tired of tennis as well... plus she is back with Ricardo so maybe she will be better...

Halepsova
Aug 19th, 2011, 02:13 PM
:woohoo:

Halepsova
Aug 19th, 2011, 02:18 PM
Looks like it's not a bad split anyway. :yeah:

In The Zone
Aug 19th, 2011, 02:48 PM
It's written on the wall: Serena vs. Wozniacki 3R at USO. :drool:

GoofyDuck
Aug 19th, 2011, 02:50 PM
It's written on the wall: Serena vs. Wozniacki 3R at USO. :drool:

Oh comon, Serena doesn't need that BYE.

give it to JJ :devil:

Albireo
Aug 19th, 2011, 03:57 PM
She should have grabbed Michael Mortensen when he was available. That would have been a pretty good fit.

They should track down Carlos Kirmayr, wherever the hell he is.

Jimmie48
Aug 19th, 2011, 03:58 PM
It is actually very likely that it is Mortensen..would explain why they can't reveal the name yet.

Simon Cowell
Aug 19th, 2011, 03:59 PM
I met someone the other night who's 21 years old, and she hasn't worked a day since he left college because she's pursuing a dream she'll never, ever realize: She thinks she's a great player. Actually, she's crap. :rolleyes: