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Navratil
Aug 18th, 2011, 06:53 AM
The tour definitly got more & more physical in the last years. Is that the reason why nobody can dominate the tour for a long time?

Clijsters struggles again with injuries, Henin re-retired, Sharapova is still struggeling with her serve since the shoulder injury and the Williams sisters have been out of action for pretty much a year.

Is the stress of playing tennis plus extreme workout too much for the girls?? Is the game to physical??



Where are the top players? Why are they injured all the time?

How is it possible that a player like Wozniacki with so many great weaknesses got to the top of the rankings?

Nothing against Wozniacki! She took this chance. But shame on all the top players who lost against Wozniacki!

But in fact: She didn't even beat top players! The only top ten players she beat this year are 30-year-old Schiavone and struggeling Jankovic.

Whenever she met a Top 20 player in decent form - she lost. That's why she won't win a big title. And it's going south from now on btw.

And still: She is the # 1 in the rankings far ahead of Clijsters and Zvonareva.

Why? Because she is playing a full scheduled season!

Well, maybe she is even playing to many tournaments to concentrate on the big ones.

Whatever, it is enough to be at the top of this mess!




The WTA-tour desperetly needs a star like Serena at the top again!

Kvitova & Co are not there yet. And to be honest I don't see many future stars right now other than Kvitova. Noone who could dominate Grand Slam tournaments for years.


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Navratil
Aug 18th, 2011, 06:54 AM
The weird thing is that on the ATP tour the Top 4 (maybe plus Söderling and Del Potro) are as dominate as no generation before although the men's game got more physical too.

duhcity
Aug 18th, 2011, 07:10 AM
The weird thing is that on the ATP tour the Top 4 (maybe plus Söderling and Del Potro) are as dominate as no generation before although the men's game got more physical too.

The reason behind that is that they put tremendous amount of dedication into their fitness. Dieting, workouts, everything is done strictly to bolster them.

Meanwhile, I can't see many of the women logging long hours in the gym, weight training, dieting, etc.
Roger does crazy things like avoiding playing Ping Pong to keep himself from any chance of injury. Yet you have Serena and Kim dancing at weddings every weekend.

Navratil
Aug 18th, 2011, 07:33 AM
The reason behind that is that they put tremendous amount of dedication into their fitness. Dieting, workouts, everything is done strictly to bolster them.

Meanwhile, I can't see many of the women logging long hours in the gym, weight training, dieting, etc.
Roger does crazy things like avoiding playing Ping Pong to keep himself from any chance of injury. Yet you have Serena and Kim dancing at weddings every weekend.

Agree. Most women are not that ambitious that they would sacrifice their whole life to get to the top. They are satisfied with less.

Even Serena and Venus don't have this absolute will like Navratilova, Graf or Seles had.

Navratil
Aug 18th, 2011, 07:39 AM
But in fact: She (Wozniacki) didn't even beat top players! The only top ten players she beat this year are 30-year-old Schiavone and struggeling Jankovic.

Whenever she met a Top 20 player in decent form - she lost. That's why she won't win a big title. And it's going south from now on btw.




That's why I don't consider her as a top player. She took the chance of this big gap on the tour and that is respactable.

But to me a top player is going for it and not waiting for the opponent to miss. A real top player doesn't have a weakness, dominates and is mentally strong when it really matters. Against the top players in the real big matches at the Slams.

The tour desperatly needs the stars! An equivalent to the top 4 on the ATP: Djokovic-Nadal-Federer-Murray!

ivanban
Aug 18th, 2011, 08:41 AM
On contrary, if they want equal payment it should be as physical as mens competition :shrug:

borrowedheaven
Aug 18th, 2011, 12:04 PM
It also depends on their playing style. Kim demands very much of her body, so injuries will always be there. Serena's injury was just bad luck.
And it's not that different on the ATP tour: Del Potro was out for a year, Nadal is very often injured ...

MB.
Aug 18th, 2011, 12:11 PM
The reason behind that is that they put tremendous amount of dedication into their fitness. Dieting, workouts, everything is done strictly to bolster them.

Meanwhile, I can't see many of the women logging long hours in the gym, weight training, dieting, etc.
Roger does crazy things like avoiding playing Ping Pong to keep himself from any chance of injury. Yet you have Serena and Kim dancing at weddings every weekend.

Petko seems to be doing this.

Vika & Fish
Aug 18th, 2011, 12:11 PM
Is the game to physical? you asked

the answer, no

Navratil
Aug 18th, 2011, 01:19 PM
Is the game to physical? you asked

the answer, no

Watching old matches when the girls used to play with wooden rackets it was totally different. By far not that physical!!

GoofyDuck
Aug 18th, 2011, 01:29 PM
Is the game to physical? you asked

the answer, no
can you leave this site again.

I hate azarenka and I know i'm gonna get annoyed by you already. :)

Vika & Fish
Aug 18th, 2011, 01:36 PM
Watching old matches when the girls used to play with wooden rackets it was totally different. By far not that physical!!

yeah i know what you mean, no need to shout at me ;)

the game has totally changed (well to me) there's far more emphasis on first serve, second return, players trying to hit winners DTL on the third stroke of the rally, its too much fits and starts, there just isnt enough matches with good rallies and technically the players aren't good enough. you mention 'wooden rackets' would you imagine them today, trying to play with such small faces on the rackets as they did then

its why they call it Soccer and not Football

SU
Aug 18th, 2011, 01:47 PM
The tour definitly got more & more physical in the last years. Is that the reason why nobody can dominate the tour for a long time?

Clijsters struggles again with injuries, Henin re-retired, Sharapova is still struggeling with her serve since the shoulder injury and the Williams sisters have been out of action for pretty much a year.

Is the stress of playing tennis plus extreme workout too much for the girls?? Is the game to physical??




Where are the top players? Why are they injured all the time?

How is it possible that a player like Wozniacki with so many great weaknesses got to the top of the rankings?

Nothing against Wozniacki! She took this chance. But shame on all the top players who lost against Wozniacki!

But in fact: She didn't even beat top players! The only top ten players she beat this year are 30-year-old Schiavone and struggeling Jankovic.

Whenever she met a Top 20 player in decent form - she lost. That's why she won't win a big title. And it's going south from now on btw.

And still: She is the # 1 in the rankings far ahead of Clijsters and Zvonareva.

Why? Because she is playing a full scheduled season!

Well, maybe she is even playing to many tournaments to concentrate on the big ones.

Whatever, it is enough to be at the top of this mess!




The WTA-tour desperetly needs a star like Serena at the top again!

Kvitova & Co are not there yet. And to be honest I don't see many future stars right now other than Kvitova. Noone who could dominate Grand Slam tournaments for years.


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Is your question about the game being physical or bush Wozniack's abilities to play the game?

Vika & Fish
Aug 18th, 2011, 01:52 PM
can you leave this site again.

I hate azarenka and I know i'm gonna get annoyed by you already. :)

lol what do you mean, AGAIN?

c'mon ya don't hate her.....awwww look at that lovely wee face and cute smile http://imagenesfotos.com/wp-content/2010/04/victoria_azarenka.jpg

Navratil
Aug 18th, 2011, 02:24 PM
Is your question about the game being physical or bush Wozniack's abilities to play the game?

The theory is that the game is to physical, many top players struggled in recent time with injuries and that's why a player like Wozniacki despite all of her weaknesses took the chance to climb at the top of the rankings!

VeeJJ
Aug 18th, 2011, 02:27 PM
No, the girls just don't commit to full time fitness since well they don't play full time. The ATP "Big four" if you will play consistently. ANd the WS and Kim always bitch about their "injries" and never play.

Aravanecaravan
Aug 18th, 2011, 02:32 PM
Women's tennis suffers in public perception because people expect it to compare to the men's game and women simply don't have the strength or stamina to play like that. It may sound sexist, but the truth is sometimes hard.

The best period in women's tennis, IMHO, was when it branded itself with a strong, independepent woman-oriented identity, sponsored by Virginia Slims, had a varied contrast in styles among the players playing the game, and the raquet technology and equipment was not so advanced as to overpower or overstress the players--i.e., they could play week in and week out, develop rivalries, and not have all of these silly withdrawals each week.

If it means dumbing down the technology a bit to keep the players healthy and slowing down the pace of the shots by 5-10% to make the game better, it'd be worth it.

Navratil
Aug 18th, 2011, 02:40 PM
Don't get me wrong: I don't want the old days back! I love to see athletic players playin' a powertful physical game!

But at one point - when pretty much every player starts to struggle with injuries - you wonder if this is a good development.

Navratil
Aug 18th, 2011, 02:42 PM
yeah i know what you mean, no need to shout at me ;)



I'm not shouting! :angel:

I never do ;)

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Honestly!!

Vika & Fish
Aug 18th, 2011, 02:45 PM
Don't get me wrong: I don't want the old days back! I love to see athletic players playin' a powertful physical game!

But at one point - when pretty much every player starts to struggle with injuries - you wonder if this is a good development.

you wont be saying this in years to come

theyve all too much money and spend far too many hours on twitter/facebook/myspace/wtaworld (yes, they do post on here, and im one of them, im not telling you who, but seriously, i do have a injury, im not making excuses)

Oh, and some of the stuff Aravanecaravan posted

Navratil
Aug 18th, 2011, 02:52 PM
That's the differnce between men and women!

Men are more willing to sacrifice everything and give everything for the sport.

And not only in sports. That's probably why there are not so many women on management level. The priorities are different.

Although I gotta to say - as a man - that I appreciate the few women who do have that strength and will!

pov
Aug 18th, 2011, 02:57 PM
Is the stress of playing tennis plus extreme workout too much for the girls?? Is the game to physical??

Yes, the poor weak little women can't handle it. :facepalm: Get real will ya - they're athletes. Those who come to the sport expecting it to be all trad girly won't get far. If you look at the ATP you'll see that top players are injured just as much as on the WTA. I mean a year ago Djokovic was known for having health issues. In fact Federer might be the only player who hasn't had any major injury issues - some back stuff at one point. In the NFL, NBA there are many players who miss entire seasons - more than once. It's not ideal but it happens. One thing could be that the WTA needs to emphasize conditioning more and quit with attempting to make it a glamour show.

Oh and since it seems to puzzle you Wozniacki got to be #1 because - prior to this year - she was the most consistent and error-free player on the tour - by far. She played a full schedule and hardly ever lost before QF or SF.

Mightymirza
Aug 18th, 2011, 02:58 PM
The reason behind that is that they put tremendous amount of dedication into their fitness. Dieting, workouts, everything is done strictly to bolster them.

Meanwhile, I can't see many of the women logging long hours in the gym, weight training, dieting, etc.
Roger does crazy things like avoiding playing Ping Pong to keep himself from any chance of injury. Yet you have Serena and Kim dancing at weddings every weekend.

OMG :lol:

But I disagree with the claim.. I am sure most of them put enough effort on an doff the court to be a professional..

SU
Aug 18th, 2011, 03:03 PM
The theory is that the game is to physical, many top players struggled in recent time with injuries and that's why a player like Wozniacki despite all of her weaknesses took the chance to climb at the top of the rankings!

For her generation Wozniack is great, but when you compare her with playes of kim calibre she needs more experience and risk taking skills and do not forget she is a very clever girl.

She new,could not compete with the best in slams and invested on small tournaments to achieve her goal

Navratil
Aug 19th, 2011, 10:23 AM
Oh and since it seems to puzzle you Wozniacki got to be #1 because - prior to this year - she was the most consistent and error-free player on the tour - by far. She played a full schedule and hardly ever lost before QF or SF.

It is consistent for a Top 10 player - not for the world's # 1 - to reach quarters and semis all the time and winning smaller events where no top players play.

Rollo
Aug 19th, 2011, 01:34 PM
Women's tennis (http://www.tennisforum.com/showthread.php?t=442978&page=2#) suffers in public perception because people expect it to compare to the men's game and women simply don't have the strength or stamina to play like that. It may sound sexist, but the truth is sometimes hard.

The best period in women's tennis, IMHO, was when it branded itself with a strong, independepent woman-oriented identity, sponsored by Virginia Slims, had a varied contrast in styles among the players playing the game, and the raquet technology and equipment was not so advanced as to overpower or overstress the players--i.e., they could play week in and week out, develop rivalries, and not have all of these silly withdrawals each week.

If it means dumbing down the technology a bit to keep the players healthy and slowing down the pace of the shots by 5-10% to make the game better, it'd be worth it.
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It shouldn't be shocking to note that women have different bodies then men.
The tour really needs to look at using more body-friendly surfaces such as clay, grass and indoors.

Sam L
Aug 19th, 2011, 03:31 PM
Women's tennis suffers in public perception because people expect it to compare to the men's game and women simply don't have the strength or stamina to play like that. It may sound sexist, but the truth is sometimes hard.

The best period in women's tennis, IMHO, was when it branded itself with a strong, independepent woman-oriented identity, sponsored by Virginia Slims, had a varied contrast in styles among the players playing the game, and the raquet technology and equipment was not so advanced as to overpower or overstress the players--i.e., they could play week in and week out, develop rivalries, and not have all of these silly withdrawals each week.

If it means dumbing down the technology a bit to keep the players healthy and slowing down the pace of the shots by 5-10% to make the game better, it'd be worth it.

Totally agree. I say bring back wood and increase grass and clay tournaments.

Simon Cowell
Aug 19th, 2011, 03:47 PM
I do a couple of hundred press-ups a day but I haven't been to a gym in years. :rolleyes:

Miracle Worker
Aug 19th, 2011, 05:01 PM
It's rather lack of fitness and lack of proper technique.

thrust
Aug 19th, 2011, 05:30 PM
Agree. Most women are not that ambitious that they would sacrifice their whole life to get to the top. They are satisfied with less.

Even Serena and Venus don't have this absolute will like Navratilova, Graf or Seles had.

The game is too physical, especially for the women. Nadal has had many injuries, while other top male players have had their share too. The two hand backhand and sliding on hard courts account for much of the injuries. Of all the very top players, only Federer has been practically injury free. Why? Game style, and movement. He is rarely off balance hitting any shot. I believe the two handed backhand forces players to hit wide shots unnaturally. Also, due to his balance and movement, Roger does not need to overpower his shots. His shots are very effective because he has time to hit his shots naturally with just enough power to make them very effective. Only a Nadal or Nole, playing their best, have a chance of beating Roger at his near best. A very powerful, but limited Delpo, beat Roger playing probably the match of his life. Justine had a game similar to Roger's but, due to her size, did have to overhit more than her main competition in order to be victorious.