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Rollo
Aug 17th, 2011, 06:01 PM
As far as I'm concerned the does Wozniacki deserve to be #1 debate is over.
Stick a fork in her. She's done as #1, both in the minds of players, the press, and anyone on the board rather than rabid Caro fans.


My question to the number crunchers is this: when will she be put out of her misery and statistically drop to #2?

P.S. For the 100th time Caro-drop off the tour for 3 months and retool your game:)

ElusiveChanteuse
Aug 17th, 2011, 06:05 PM
Next year after IW-Miami I guess. Depends which other players can step up to take it. Not sure Bepa will do it since she's also not playing good atm, Kim will definitely have no chance since she'll be defending tons of points from now on. Na and Kvitova will need to be more consistent to take it. So far Sharapova may be the one to regain the #1 as long as she doesn't do too bad than she is now.

pov
Aug 17th, 2011, 06:06 PM
As far as I'm concerned the does Wozniacki deserve to be #1 debate is over.
Stick a fork in her. She's done as #1, both in the minds of players, the press, and anyone on the board rather than rabid Caro fans.

The very simple thing you don't seem to get is that "deserves" and "in the minds of" have nothing to do with being #1. It's amazing though entertaining that there are still people who raise the same old idiocy. I mean of course Wozniacki isn't the best player on tour, I doubt that anyone ever thought she was. However right now she is #1 -deal with it!

atominside
Aug 17th, 2011, 06:07 PM
Vera :tears:

theFutureisNow
Aug 17th, 2011, 06:07 PM
Almost definitely by the end of the year.

Kvitova, Sharapova, Li and Azarenka are nearly tied with her in the race. It would be very hard for them to pass her after the US Open, but possible.

You could see this coming before now. I've been predicting Caro wouldn't finish as the year end #1 for months now.

madmax
Aug 17th, 2011, 06:08 PM
It's pretty obvious that her BFF Azarenka is already licking her chops and getting ready to become YE Nr.1...if I had to make a guess it's probably gonna happen during the Asian swing

Spring Pools
Aug 17th, 2011, 06:11 PM
Well, she just lost 899 points here.
She's defending 470 points at new haven as well.
900 points at USO.
So there's a possibility that she'll lose the number one ranking after the USO if Vera can do well.

Jorn
Aug 17th, 2011, 06:17 PM
Caro needs about 600 points from New Haven and US Open to stay at No. 1 ithink... or Vera, Vika to lose early in their tournaments exp, US Open where also Vera defends more than Caro...

dsanders06
Aug 17th, 2011, 06:19 PM
It's pretty obvious that her BFF Azarenka is already licking her chops and getting ready to become YE Nr.1...if I had to make a guess it's probably gonna happen during the Asian swing

Yup. Smart money is on Azarenka making the semis at the US Open, then doing like Wozniacki last year and cleaning up at the Asian events when Serena, Kim, Maria et al have packed up and gone home for the year.

serenaforever
Aug 17th, 2011, 06:21 PM
It's pretty obvious that her BFF Azarenka is already licking her chops and getting ready to become YE Nr.1...if I had to make a guess it's probably gonna happen during the Asian swing

God help us.

Apoleb
Aug 17th, 2011, 06:24 PM
I'm very worried for Vika. She's very consistent and only loses to top players for the most part, so she has a good chance of taking the #1. It will be disastrous for her, and she really has done nothing to deserve such a beating. She doesn't overplay..just does well consistently.

vozas
Aug 17th, 2011, 06:25 PM
Victoria is most likely finishing the year as #1. She has virtually no points from the US Open and chances are Lobniacki is bombing before the 2nd week at the Open.

Zvonareva isn't making the finals either. I expect her to be gone by the 4th round, running into someone like Venus or Radwanska.

Fighterpova
Aug 17th, 2011, 06:31 PM
Omg we're going to have another Slamless #1 aren't we? :facepalm:

Vikapower
Aug 17th, 2011, 06:32 PM
Well, yes as others mentioned Vika is the next on the starting blocks for the #1 rank -- I prefer not it was her but it's just so it goes :help: unless in the eventuality she wins a majors thus the US Open. Vera has too much to defend and Kimmie hasn't played enough... Caro could lose her ranking at or a little after the US Open depending how well the girls closest to her does. If Caro loses in the 4th round of US Open she'll be at ~ 8715 points and I don't know her plans for New Haven so it's the supposition she plays and win the event.

Fighterpova
Aug 17th, 2011, 06:32 PM
the WTA is like a latin soap opera...so dramatic and full of twists, yet so cheesy and bad :facepalm:

Just when we though the WTA was getting back to normal :help:

Scola
Aug 17th, 2011, 06:35 PM
Azarenka...Seriously, what shit are you on, guys? :tape: This mug cares even less than Serena or Kim about smaller tournaments.
No way she's gonna finish at number one by the end of the year!!
Funny how she still mentioning as a Slam or now number one contender. She did nothing so far to be that hyped.

Put the money on Zvonareva!:yeah:

edificio
Aug 17th, 2011, 06:38 PM
If Azarenka doesn't win USO AND becomes year-end no. 1 that will just prove that being year-end no. 1 is meaningless for tennis as a whole. Shudder. Nothing against Vika, and she has had some good results this year, but she is not the best player in women's tennis.

Jorn
Aug 17th, 2011, 06:43 PM
Vika retires too much to be YE No. 1, she's weak for unknown reasons...

Jorn
Aug 17th, 2011, 06:47 PM
From TBE's updates: Caro's stays at No. 1 going into US Open, where Vera defends 1300 points. Kim Finale. Caro 900p.

1 Caroline Wozniacki 11/07/1990 DEN 1 9335
2 Vera Zvonareva 07/09/1984 RUS Cincinnati 6550
3 Kim Clijsters 08/06/1983 BEL 6501
4 Vika Azarenka 31/07/1989 BLR Cincinnati 6115
5 Petra Kvitova 08/03/1990 CZE 125 5685
6 Na Li 26/02/1982 CHN 125 5671
7 Maria Sharapova 19/04/1987 RUS 125 5571

Temperenka
Aug 17th, 2011, 06:50 PM
Vika and Maria have the best shot at YE #1 in my opinion. Unless Vika wins the USO, I hope she doesn't get it.

It's funny... Vika's 2011 is almost identical to her 2009. Where she couldn't really break the top 5. I guess that's a sign of how the tour has gotten even worse in the last two years.

vixter
Aug 17th, 2011, 07:00 PM
The very simple thing you don't seem to get is that "deserves" and "in the minds of" have nothing to do with being #1. It's amazing though entertaining that there are still people who raise the same old idiocy. I mean of course Wozniacki isn't the best player on tour, I doubt that anyone ever thought she was. However right now she is #1 -deal with it!

Yes how true and well put. The rankings represent number of points gathered last 52 weeks and does not really rank the players in order of true capacity or whatever. Caroline could very well stay number 1 for a long time thanks to her impressive consistency. I think we should all respect her current successfullness and see how long she can keep it going.

marineblue
Aug 17th, 2011, 07:24 PM
Whatever the haters think it does not change the fact that to be a no.1 you donīt need a slam and having a slam does not necessarily mean being good enough to claim a no.1 spot. Last year I thought Schiavone would make it to no.1 after an impressive win in RG. But she has done F all since then, Na Li, Kvitova has not proven themseves neither. Sharapova,Kuznetsova, Ivanovic all losing to anyone and everyone.
Is there any wonder there are slamless no.1s? Next one will probably be either Vera or Vika.
If they get there I hope they will raise above all the ramblings and enjoy it. Nobody will be all things to all the people so they would be stupid not to take an opportunity if it opens up.

Craig.
Aug 17th, 2011, 07:26 PM
Whatever the haters think it does not change the fact that to be a no.1 you donīt need a slam and having a slam does not necessarily mean being good enough to claim a no.1 spot. Last year I thought Schiavone would make it to no.1 after an impressive win in RG. But she has done F all since then, Na Li, Kvitova has not proven themseves neither. Sharapova,Kuznetsova, Ivanovic all losing to anyone and everyone.
Is there any wonder there are slamless no.1s? Next one will probably be either Vera or Vika.
If they get there I hope they will raise above all the ramblings and enjoy it. Nobody will be all things to all the people so they would be stupid not to take an opportunity if it opens up.

One loss to Voskoboeva and suddenly Maria's losing to anyone and everyone? :hysteric:

dsanders06
Aug 17th, 2011, 07:29 PM
One loss to Voskoboeva and suddenly Maria's losing to anyone and everyone? :hysteric:

I think Marineblue was one of the people along with Veerror and AcesHigh claiming a few weeks ago that Venus was a bigger threat at the US Open than Maria, so let them grab any scrap they can :lol:

Break My Rapture
Aug 17th, 2011, 07:32 PM
I want her stay #1 TBH. Let the real deal players from Generation Suck peak for the Slams while Wozniacki cleans up the meaningless WTA events.

Mikey.
Aug 17th, 2011, 07:35 PM
I actually think Na has a really good shot, as long as she doesn't slip into another slump.

marineblue
Aug 17th, 2011, 07:36 PM
I think Marineblue was one of the people along with Veerror and AcesHigh claiming a few weeks ago that Venus was a bigger threat at the US Open than Maria, so let them grab any scrap they can :lol:

:confused:Er, no!!!! I donīt think that words Venus and threat go together very well nowadays.

madmax
Aug 17th, 2011, 07:37 PM
I think Marineblue was one of the people along with Veerror and AcesHigh claiming a few weeks ago that Venus was a bigger threat at the US Open than Maria, so let them grab any scrap they can :lol:

:lol:
And knowing that Maria doesn't even play enough to be ranked very high shows how much she's underrated here...I reckon she's still leading all players by the points earned per tournament this year - so much for losing to everyone and everywhere:lol:

Brad[le]y.
Aug 17th, 2011, 07:38 PM
Azarenka...Seriously, what shit are you on, guys? :tape: This mug cares even less than Serena or Kim about smaller tournaments.
No way she's gonna finish at number one by the end of the year!!
Funny how she still mentioning as a Slam or now number one contender. She did nothing so far to be that hyped.

Put the money on Zvonareva!:yeah:

What? She has more points to defend than anyone coming at the US open :shrug:

1400 at the US Open
630 now

Potato
Aug 17th, 2011, 07:38 PM
After Tokyo and Beijing there should be a definite opening for Vika/Na/Petra to take it.

I do not see Caroline defending her final in Istanbul either.

Break My Rapture
Aug 17th, 2011, 07:40 PM
After Tokyo and Beijing there should be a definite opening for Vika/Na/Petra to take it.

I do not see Caroline defending her final in Istanbul either.
Good point, I don't see her doing it either. Indoor hardcourt means the slaughtering of Wozniacki. Kvitova will probably roast everyone there.

Serena y Monica
Aug 17th, 2011, 07:56 PM
Does it really matter who takes # 1 next. Not one of them...Maria included will be considered the "best" player unless it's Kim Serena or a consistent Kvitova.

Excelscior
Aug 17th, 2011, 07:57 PM
Whatever the haters think it does not change the fact that to be a no.1 you donīt need a slam and having a slam does not necessarily mean being good enough to claim a no.1 spot. Last year I thought Schiavone would make it to no.1 after an impressive win in RG. But she has done F all since then, Na Li, Kvitova has not proven themseves neither. Sharapova,Kuznetsova, Ivanovic all losing to anyone and everyone.
Is there any wonder there are slamless no.1s? Next one will probably be either Vera or Vika.
If they get there I hope they will raise above all the ramblings and enjoy it. Nobody will be all things to all the people so they would be stupid not to take an opportunity if it opens up.

So one tournament after Wimbledon (when she hadn't played for 5 weeks), and Kvitova hasn't proven anything, huh?

I'd say that's wishful thinking on your part. Wow!

What does that say about Wozniaki, then?

She's lost in her last 4 matches (Kvitova, at least won Wimbledon before that, and keeps rising up the rankings; while Woz loses points, and her 4 matches in a row).

I guess as this stage (and by your criteria), that makes her an unworthy player (period), as well as #1!? :confused: :lol: :lol: :confused:

Lol.

Let's just see what happens with Caro, # 1, and all the players? It should be an interesting ride.

faboozadoo15
Aug 17th, 2011, 07:59 PM
Would love to see Maria end the Year #1 by doing hardly anything spectacular. She hasn't ended a year #1 yet.

Of course I'd love to see her win the US Open or something to make it happen.

2moretogo
Aug 17th, 2011, 08:00 PM
She's so far ahead. Caro is interesting to me. Just when you think she'll slide, she wins like 3 tourneys in a row. Unfortunately for those behind her, they don't/can't/won't play and win week after week. Caro did until this slump.

Brad[le]y.
Aug 17th, 2011, 08:00 PM
Caro needs to take the rest of the year off and get her shit together :hug:

Mistress of Evil
Aug 17th, 2011, 08:07 PM
Karolina will be back to the winning ways sooner or later :shrug: She is like a cockroach, she will regroup :yeah: and will several Slams :hearts:

Jorn
Aug 17th, 2011, 08:15 PM
Vera just can't be No. 1 after US Open, but Masha, Vika, Li and Kvitova can overtake Caroline and be No. 1... But they (one) needs a US Open win for No. 1.

fouc
Aug 17th, 2011, 08:18 PM
why do ppl keep saying she lost 4 matches in a row? :confused:

hurricanejeanne
Aug 17th, 2011, 08:19 PM
Of the girls who could become the severe threat to Caro's number one ranking, Vika is defending the most points from the US Open to the end of the year. Na, Petra (and Maria) are all defending close to diddly squat.
Vika's never done terribly well at the Open either. Na and Petra should do well there. Maria's always a wildcard these days. Realistically, I can't see any of them snatching Caro's wig unless one of them wins the Open and puts together a dominate Asian/Indoor swing.

Patrick345
Aug 17th, 2011, 08:19 PM
why do ppl keep saying she lost 4 matches in a row? :confused:

Donīt know, I count five.

Cibulkova
Cornet (eight games, letīs be honest that counts as a loss)
Arvidsson
Vinci
McHale

dsanders06
Aug 17th, 2011, 08:22 PM
I would actually die laughing if we somehow end up with Kim backing up into the #1 spot despite barely playing, purely because the other contenders for #1 suck/don't care enough. :lol:

Patrick345
Aug 17th, 2011, 08:23 PM
Of the girls who could become the severe threat to Caro's number one ranking, Vika is defending the most points from the US Open to the end of the year. Na, Petra (and Maria) are all defending close to diddly squat.
Vika's never done terribly well at the Open either. Na and Petra should do well there. Maria's always a wildcard these days. Realistically, I can't see any of them snatching Caro's wig unless one of them wins the Open and puts together a dominate Asian/Indoor swing.

All that matters is the race. Whoever has the best fall between Wozniacki, Azarenka, Sharapova, Kvitova and Na Li will finish the year at #1.

theFutureisNow
Aug 17th, 2011, 08:48 PM
I would actually die laughing if we somehow end up with Kim backing up into the #1 spot despite barely playing, purely because the other contenders for #1 suck/don't care enough. :lol:

Kim has zero chance to make year end #1.

At the rate she is going she might not even make the top 10.

vozas
Aug 17th, 2011, 09:05 PM
Maria should play Tokyo and Beijing after the USO, and then call it a season until the YEC. She has a good chance of ending the year as #1 if she keeps her shit together at the Open. By the way, she has the best average points per tournament out of all the girls on tour. The WTA is a mess at this point. If there's anyone who deserves the year end #1 despite all the woes, it's Maria.

Vulturepova
Aug 17th, 2011, 09:07 PM
I say wait until after the US Open. If Vika, Kvitova, Maria or Na win there they could probably take the year-end number one ranking.

Nobody knows what will happen. One of the players currently in the top ten (except Kim) could go on a role for the rest of the year and the argument becomes pointless.