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Smitten
Aug 16th, 2011, 08:51 PM
I have called Serena and Lucie all sorts of names since 5-4 in the second set. :lol:

Elwin.
Aug 16th, 2011, 08:51 PM
Sarin :lol: What a mess

Antoshka
Aug 16th, 2011, 08:51 PM
Serena :lol: :rolls:

faboozadoo15
Aug 16th, 2011, 08:52 PM
Props to Serena to show up and win, but that was really painful to watch.

Kim's_fan_4ever
Aug 16th, 2011, 08:52 PM
WTF Serena :haha: She was lucky it didn't go to the third, the last two points :sobbing:
Way to mispronounce Hradecka's name, British commentators :lol:

serenaforever
Aug 16th, 2011, 08:52 PM
Whew. :unsure:

Well she got through eventually. Nice match, Serena. :yeah:

Lucemferre
Aug 16th, 2011, 08:52 PM
HradeckaGOAT was amazing in the second set but that mistake at 5-5 in the tie-break:help:

RVD
Aug 16th, 2011, 08:52 PM
Low-keyRena showed up today.
Unimpressive and way too lackadaisical throughout.
But a win is a win.
Serena’s new low-key style makes her difficult to read. But in this match, she didn’t or couldn’t, turn it up today when she needed to.
Hradecka has a nice serve.
Me thinks the previous toruneys have possibly caught up to Serena.

misty1
Aug 16th, 2011, 08:52 PM
lucie:hug:

3rd player this week already to fight back from a massive deficit in the 2nd set only to lose the tiebreaker in the end

1jackson2001
Aug 16th, 2011, 08:52 PM
This is why Serena can inexplicably lose...she can definitely play like a mug at times. Very hot in some matches, and then complete suckage in others. She's fortunate that Lucie is a "mug" herself.

MrSerenaWilliams
Aug 16th, 2011, 08:52 PM
http://blog.vh1.com/files//2010/05/enjoy.gif

you were up 5-1 tramp :rolleyes:

At least you got though :o

ElusiveChanteuse
Aug 16th, 2011, 08:53 PM
LMAO @ this match. At first it seemed like Serena would cruise to win but Lucie suddenly decided to play like a top 10 player and up her level and pushed Serena to the tiebreak. So close but it had to end with a df.:haha:
Serena :hug:

toby345
Aug 16th, 2011, 08:53 PM
Either Rena is reaaaaally tired or this was a tank try, or both :lol:

Serendy Willick
Aug 16th, 2011, 08:53 PM
Someone needs to beat kim hoedashians azz

Dodoboy.
Aug 16th, 2011, 08:53 PM
Oh God, we just wanted to get out of there.

Please go easy on yourself Serena! Back to CalmRena PLEASE!

Stosur will be, interesting. She played OK till 5-1 actually.

fouc
Aug 16th, 2011, 08:53 PM
Serena looks dead :unsure:

maddogz48
Aug 16th, 2011, 08:53 PM
Serena looks and sounds very tired and uninterested in Cincinnati.

She did not even want to hit the autographed tennis balls into the crowd at the end of the match.

Stosur may get a win over her in round 2.

Jane Lane
Aug 16th, 2011, 08:53 PM
Other Lucie :hug: She was GOAT at times. But the miss at 5-5*; I saw the DF coming :tape:

tennisbum79
Aug 16th, 2011, 08:54 PM
I have called Serena and Lucie all sorts of names since 4-4 in the second set. :lol:
You are not alone, mines were focused on Serena

doni1212
Aug 16th, 2011, 08:54 PM
Fucking hilarious. Part of the reason why I love her so much. Your fave could neva!

Annie.
Aug 16th, 2011, 08:54 PM
Serena :facepalm:

Girl, if you don't want to play then withdraw.

Smitten
Aug 16th, 2011, 08:54 PM
http://blog.vh1.com/files//2010/05/enjoy.gif

you were up 5-1 tramp :rolleyes:

At least you got though :o

:lol: You don't even know what I was doing when that lead slowly went away.

VishaalMaria
Aug 16th, 2011, 08:54 PM
I don't know what was wrong with Serena to be honest.

But she did NOT seem impressed or happy when the guy asked her to sign some balls for the crowd.

If she's ill then she needs to withdraw. If she's physically tired then she needs to withdraw.

I don't want her losing to someone like Stosur or Na Li. IMHO, she's had enough matches and should focus on resting up for the US Open. Playing these many matches in such a short period after 12 months out isn't beneficial to be honest.

Libertango
Aug 16th, 2011, 08:54 PM
I like Lucie's serve.

friendsita
Aug 16th, 2011, 08:54 PM
Sarin isn't happy... I'm not happy. Why is she playing?
Still it was a win...
http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lp4ouiywKV1qcxh43o1_250.gif

BartoLiNa
Aug 16th, 2011, 08:54 PM
Lackluster performance from Ree. Get some rest girl :hug:

Lucie gave a good performance in the second set and hit 31 winners throughout the match, but the consistency just wasn't there. Good effort :worship:

tennisfan5
Aug 16th, 2011, 08:54 PM
Either Rena is reaaaaally tired or this was a tank try, or both :lol:

probably both. Think she might lose to Sam next round and rest up for the Open

MBM
Aug 16th, 2011, 08:54 PM
That was painful to watch. She won't last a match with Sam in ANY form with that kind of lethargy

TheHangover
Aug 16th, 2011, 08:55 PM
df facing a match point :facepalm: that's no good

iPatty
Aug 16th, 2011, 08:55 PM
This is tennis.

http://i54.tinypic.com/f080og.gif

PLP
Aug 16th, 2011, 08:55 PM
Good win for Serena. She had to be tired/jet-lagged...nice to pull it out in 2. It was obvious in the last few games that she wanted to get off the court. Does she have a day off tomorrow?

Hradecka played pretty well in the 2nd (painful on MP though :tape:).

spartanfan
Aug 16th, 2011, 08:55 PM
She has to be dead tired after her Canadian win last week. Hope she's ready for Sam again in the next round. I would hate to see Sam get in a win over a tired Serena.

nevetssllim
Aug 16th, 2011, 08:55 PM
Serena :lol: She couldn't even be assed to sign the camera properly. :haha: Hradecka was hitting the ball like a demon in the second set but Serena really should have closed it out 35 minutes ago. :o

British Eurosport commentators. :rolleyes: They really butchered Hradecka's name. :hug:

friendsita
Aug 16th, 2011, 08:55 PM
Serena :facepalm:

Girl, if you don't want to play then withdraw.

THIS.

tennisbum79
Aug 16th, 2011, 08:55 PM
Oh God, we just wanted to get out of there.

Please go easy on yourself Serena! Back to CalmRena PLEASE!

Stosur will be, interesting. She played OK till 5-1 actually.
She will give Stosur the satisfaction of having turning it around so quickly.

Smitten
Aug 16th, 2011, 08:56 PM
This is tennis.

http://i54.tinypic.com/f080og.gif

Why are all your faves inactived, retired, or bad?

danieln1
Aug 16th, 2011, 08:56 PM
Tankrena Fail.

serenafan08
Aug 16th, 2011, 08:56 PM
Well at least she got through it. Does this pretty much ensure that she won the US Open Series?

Serenita
Aug 16th, 2011, 08:56 PM
Someone needs to beat kim hoedashians azz
Why what does she has to do with this??

cowmoonski
Aug 16th, 2011, 08:56 PM
Serena :D !

Mahon_Lorcan
Aug 16th, 2011, 08:57 PM
poor Hradecka...she played so good, but she lost...Unfair...

Jane Lane
Aug 16th, 2011, 08:57 PM
Why what does she has to do with this??

She's getting married on the 20th in CA. Rena wants to go.

ElusiveChanteuse
Aug 16th, 2011, 08:57 PM
Well at least she got through it. Does this pretty much ensure that she won the US Open Series?

I thought she needs at least quarterfinals to gain points?

borrowedheaven
Aug 16th, 2011, 08:57 PM
A win is a win. Let's hope Sam makes it a good match now.

volta
Aug 16th, 2011, 08:58 PM
Sarin :o

At least you did it in 2

HRHoliviasmith
Aug 16th, 2011, 08:58 PM
a win is a win I guess.

just proud of myself that I stayed awake through that.

tennisbum79
Aug 16th, 2011, 08:58 PM
Tankrena Fail.
Indeed.

Like she did not want to be there

Lulu.
Aug 16th, 2011, 08:58 PM
Good job Serena. Good luck in the next round. :)

serenaforever
Aug 16th, 2011, 08:58 PM
Good win for Serena. She had to be tired/jet-lagged...nice to pull it out in 2. It was obvious in the last few games that she wanted to get off the court. Does she have a day off tomorrow?

Hradecka played pretty well in the 2nd (painful on MP though :tape:).

No.

The Witch-king
Aug 16th, 2011, 08:59 PM
Low-keyRena showed up today.
Unimpressive and way too lackadaisical throughout.
But a win is a win.
Serena’s new low-key style makes her difficult to read. But in this match, she didn’t or couldn’t, turn it up today when she needed to.
Hradecka has a nice serve.
Me thinks the previous toruneys have possibly caught up to Serena.

This! It's a bit unnerving at times.

QuietPlease
Aug 16th, 2011, 08:59 PM
Up 5-1 and a double break in the 2nd. In the end Serena seemed so tired.
It's like Serena wanted to give that tiebreak to Lucie, but she just couldn't take it...

pedropt
Aug 16th, 2011, 08:59 PM
That was entertaining :spit:

Serena is probably tired. But she knows she can beat anyone if she cares enough, so no need to worry.

Stamp Paid
Aug 16th, 2011, 09:00 PM
I don't know what was wrong with Serena to be honest.

But she did NOT seem impressed or happy when the guy asked her to sign some balls for the crowd.

If she's ill then she needs to withdraw. If she's physically tired then she needs to withdraw.

I don't want her losing to someone like Stosur or Na Li. IMHO, she's had enough matches and should focus on resting up for the US Open. Playing these many matches in such a short period after 12 months out isn't beneficial to be honest.She tired and doesnt wanna be in Cincy. And I dont blame her.

She'll be losing to Stosur in the next round.

tennisbum79
Aug 16th, 2011, 09:01 PM
A win is a win. Let's hope Sam makes it a good match now.
I am sure Same will be there.
The big question, will Serena be there with body and mind, or her body be there but her mind in California preparing for Kim K. wedding.

This was ptiful

Mixal
Aug 16th, 2011, 09:02 PM
Good to see some fight instead of all the choking, despite Serena being far from her best. I'll forget the last two points :angel:

Serena should withdraw and get some rest. She deserved it.

BlameSerena
Aug 16th, 2011, 09:02 PM
Didn't see the first set.

In the early part of the second she was hitting the return beautifully and it seemed like she had perfect timing on the bh.

At 5-2 she had a loose, careless service game. Hradecka played a little better, but Serena's level completely dropped. She was looking tired and ready to go home. I think it was a total lapse of concentration.

CrybabyRena did her best to stop GOATRena :lol:.

2Black
Aug 16th, 2011, 09:03 PM
Can't wait to watch this match tonight :lol:

Chim
Aug 16th, 2011, 09:03 PM
OMG...that was so close. It a shame that Lucie lost it to her DF:sad: But very high quality performance from Lucie. She should be proud of herself:bounce:

Serena should have skipped this tournament. She looked so exhausted. Ok Sam...you might have a chance to win Serena this time :hearts:

ZODIAC
Aug 16th, 2011, 09:04 PM
Serena looks so exhausted I dont mind her tanking if she can....not worth it.

Noctis
Aug 16th, 2011, 09:05 PM
Sam can play 10% Sarin and win and make it feel better for herself.

Serena y Monica
Aug 16th, 2011, 09:06 PM
How do you guys know Serena wants to go to Hodasian's wedding...Personally I think it might have been the heat. I really hope she pulls through and respects this event. For once she has crowds actively pulling for her...I'd hope she respect the tournament and the fans enough to give it her all. She's got a week to rest and get ready for the US Open.

tennisbum79
Aug 16th, 2011, 09:06 PM
She tired and doesnt wanna be in Cincy. And I dont blame her.

She'll be losing to Stosur in the next round.
So why does not she just withdraw?

Serena is a big star, she is in front of her home crowd, she had built a great deal of support these past year with the American public because of the hard times she went through.

I am sure these fans wanted her to be a little more excited and give them something to cheer about.

I am glad she won but..

BlameSerena
Aug 16th, 2011, 09:06 PM
Tennis Channel is taking all day to get to Serena's interview.

edificio
Aug 16th, 2011, 09:06 PM
Good win for Serena. She had to be tired/jet-lagged...nice to pull it out in 2. It was obvious in the last few games that she wanted to get off the court. Does she have a day off tomorrow?

Hradecka played pretty well in the 2nd (painful on MP though :tape:).

Doubt you can get jetlagged when traveling in the same time zone. The flight from Toronto to Cinci is very short. She's just tired from playing and winning last week's tournament.

Serena was lackluster, but when she failed to serve out the match, we got to see some more exciting play from Lucie.

Ultimately, Serena won. No way was she trying to tank, as her "team" (as Pam put it) wanted her to win at least a round for the sake of getting seeded at USO.

dragonflies
Aug 16th, 2011, 09:07 PM
This is such a weird match. Serena was a mess at the end.

At first it looked like a routine win for Serena despites she didn't play light out as with some top players. The second set should have been 6/1 or 6/2, then Serena started to be a mess. She looked unwell, tired and miserable. The game to close out the match at 4-5 on Lucie serve was a comedy and painful to watch. Serena looked like she didn't want to be out there, but stupid enough not to capture on a game that Lucie served poorly, didn't move her feet despite Lucie gave the match to her on a silver platter.

Serena, if you feel sick and want to get off the court, it's better to finish her when the oppotunities arrived. After 5-5, Lucie started to play very well, and Serena up her level a bit, but was only good enough to send it to a tiebreak. Lucie killed herself by a double fault at the end. Had she not double faulted, Serena is gonna lose the match based on how she looked out there, unwell, miserable, half heart play. I will not be surprised if Serena lose her next match or pull out of the event.

Mistress of Evil
Aug 16th, 2011, 09:07 PM
Please, give a WALKOVER, tomorrow :( Renochka was in drama queen mode :hearts: and kinda mean during the interview/not throwing the balls in the audience :oh: I get why, but still if so she shouldn't have gone there in the first place.

BlameSerena
Aug 16th, 2011, 09:07 PM
So why does not she just withdraw?

Serena is a big star, she is in front of her home crowd, she had built a great deal of support these past year with the American public because of the hard times she went through.

I am sure these fans wanted her to be a little more excited and give them something to cheer about.

I am glad she won but..

She can't be on 10 100% of the time though. She gave the effort and won.
ETA: She won't withdraw b/c she said the game plan was to win a couple of matches in Cincy to make sure she has a seeding if I'm not mistaken.

ZODIAC
Aug 16th, 2011, 09:08 PM
OMG...that was so close. It a shame that Lucie lost it to her DF:sad: But very high quality performance from Lucie. She should be proud of herself:bounce:

Serena should have skipped this tournament. She looked so exhausted. Ok Sam...you might have a chance to win Serena this time :hearts:
I know:sad:she should just take a tank if its possible.:tape:
Lucie tried thats what all these players are doing...trying:tape:and lose after giving their best effort.Serena has beaten these girls including their coaches.:lol:

edificio
Aug 16th, 2011, 09:09 PM
So why does not she just withdraw?

Serena is a big star, she is in front of her home crowd, she had built a great deal of support these past year with the American public because of the hard times she went through.

I am sure these fans wanted her to be a little more excited and give them something to cheer about.

I am glad she won but..

I heard people cheering for her. Crowd seemed pleased. :shrug:

You are being a worrywart. :)

tennisbum79
Aug 16th, 2011, 09:11 PM
How do you guys know Serena wants to go to Hodasian's wedding...Personally I think it might have been the heat. I really hope she pulls through and respects this event. For once she has crowds actively pulling for her...I'd hope she respect the tournament and the fans enough to give it her all. She's got a week to rest and get ready for the US Open.

Exactly my thoughts

pla
Aug 16th, 2011, 09:12 PM
What was that at the end from Serena? :lol: Anyway, very good fight against herself at the end.

Kasey
Aug 16th, 2011, 09:15 PM
Sarin, not the way I expected you to get through:o
It's still a win though;)Pretty tired after the match, hopefully she'll be able to raise up her level against Stosur.

Ntosake
Aug 16th, 2011, 09:16 PM
Congrats Serena. Glad you won but maybe you should have skipped Cincy. You looked exhausted after the match.

Nice effort in the end, Lucie.

dragonflies
Aug 16th, 2011, 09:18 PM
Doubt you can get jetlagged when traveling in the same time zone. The flight from Toronto to Cinci is very short. She's just tired from playing and winning last week's tournament.

Serena was lackluster, but when she failed to serve out the match, we got to see some more exciting play from Lucie.

Ultimately, Serena won. No way was she trying to tank, as her "team" (as Pam put it) wanted her to win at least a round for the sake of getting seeded at USO.






Serena was not tanking, but someone must be blinded not to see her feeling unwell out there and not performming at the end. She looked like she got sick,about to cry, bent over and wandering around not moving her feet at the end. Based on how she looked, Serena is definitely gonna lose had the match sent to the 3 set. Don't know what happened to her, but if she is gonna play like this, she is not gonna go far in the tournament.



About getting seeded for the US open, it's silly to think Serena needs to be a lower seed like in 24-32 range. Most of the seeded players, including the higher ranked top players are either not playing well, or are Serena's bitches, so as long as Serena is healthy, she is gonna beat that seed and take over that seed's place to advance further in the Slam. Again, if Serena is healthy, being seeded or not is not a matter to her.

RVD
Aug 16th, 2011, 09:18 PM
Uninspired performance and unimpressive play from Serena.
This is why she should have pulled out of Cincinnati.
Far too many matches too close to her return.
This is when & how old injuries become aggravated or new one happen.

tennisbum79
Aug 16th, 2011, 09:18 PM
Tennis Channel is taking all day to get to Serena's interview.
I have been watiting since they announce she would be in the studio "next"


They have not given an update, it has been at least 20 minutes

darrinbaker00
Aug 16th, 2011, 09:22 PM
She tired and doesnt wanna be in Cincy. And I dont blame her.

She'll be losing to Stosur in the next round.

If Serena didn't want to be there, she wouldn't be there, and IF she loses to Stosur in the next round, it'll be because Stosur plays better ball than she does, not because she's tired.

Bounty Hunter
Aug 16th, 2011, 09:23 PM
Serena :help: I'm so glad I didn't have to sit through a 3rd set....:lol:


Hope you feel better and play well against Sam tomorrow... I'm sure Sam is looking for a re-match...

tennisbum79
Aug 16th, 2011, 09:23 PM
Uninspired performance and unimpressive play from Serena.
This is why she should have pulled out of Cincinnati.
Far too many matches too close to her return.
This is when & how old injuries become aggravated or new one happen.
I agree with you.

I felt this way before the final last week, but when I saw her energized after the match, I thought she could keep going.


She probably feels she should have withdrawn rather have this kind of performance inf front of her home crowd.

nadlinds
Aug 16th, 2011, 09:26 PM
Got the win Serena :)

But you looked very tired :help:

sweetpeas
Aug 16th, 2011, 09:27 PM
Its so nice to talk shit about Serena ,when some of your sitting on your ass, Gosh,she's there!!I don't see her tanking tomorrow,rather Sam wining because Sam healthy right now! How many went against Serena in a poll about Serena withdrawn from this event? !4wks straight (Serena your fabulous.:wavey::kiss::bounce::wavey:)Serena is worn out no doubt.

Rolling-Thunder
Aug 16th, 2011, 09:28 PM
Obviously, Serena was tired. It was painful to watch from 5-1 in the second set. Yet I am sure she's just plan tired. That's to be expected. That she showed up and played is surprising.

rucolo
Aug 16th, 2011, 09:34 PM
Serena should have closed it out at 6-3 5-2 :o But at least she won :lol:

Horrible footwork/movement. Serena seems very tired. No energy left after Toronto :sad:

Maybe Serena should have skipped Cincinnati. A loss to Stosur in R2 would not surprise me :p

In The Zone
Aug 16th, 2011, 09:36 PM
Now will Serena give a walkover or will she show up to lose to Stosur?

darrinbaker00
Aug 16th, 2011, 09:37 PM
Now will Serena give a walkover or will she show up to lose to Stosur?

Serena will show up, and Serena will win.

Craig.
Aug 16th, 2011, 09:38 PM
I don't even know what to say :lol:

TSequoia01
Aug 16th, 2011, 09:38 PM
Serena was just preparing us all that very shortly she is going home. Actressrena was upfront and in Cincinnati. lol

tennisbum79
Aug 16th, 2011, 09:38 PM
Now will Serena give a walkover or will she show up to lose to Stosur?
I'd rather she gives a walkover than give an encore performance of what we saw today.

2moretogo
Aug 16th, 2011, 09:40 PM
Serena will show up, and Serena will win.

Yup. :worship:

JuicyJoeGuidice
Aug 16th, 2011, 09:41 PM
serena loves attending hollywoodand wedding events more than she loves tennis, she is going to fake an injury to attend this fake joke of a wedding of kim kardashian and her goofy, tired looking, toupee on his head boyfriend.

BluSthil
Aug 16th, 2011, 09:42 PM
I was simply shocked by the results !!!

Bijoux0021
Aug 16th, 2011, 09:43 PM
I'd rather she gives a walkover than give an encore performance of what we saw today.
This.

tennisbum79
Aug 16th, 2011, 09:48 PM
Serena Williams survives late wobble to advance in Cincinnati






http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/54640000/jpg/_54640275_54640269.jpg

Williams is currently ranked 31 in the world Serena Williams held off a late fightback from Lucie Hradecka to win her first-round match at the Western & Southern Open in Cincinnati.
The American, who made it back-to-back tournament wins when she won the Rogers Cup (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/tennis/14524379.stm) on Sunday, battled to a 6-3 7-6 (7-5) win in one hour 39 minutes.


The 13-time Grand Slam champion is currently ranked 31 in the world as she continues her comeback from injury.
Britain's Andy Murray faces David Nalbandian (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/tennis/14531104.stm) in his opener on Wednesday.


Unseeded Williams flew through the first set, winning 89% of her first serve points and breaking the Czech once to take the set 6-3.
That form continued in the second set as the American went a double break up to serve for the set at 5-2.
But Hradecka rallied and broke back twice to level the set before forcing a tie-break.



With the score level at 5-5 in the tie-break, Williams secured the mini-break before serving out to set up a repeat of Sunday's Rogers Cup final against Samantha Stosur.
French Open champion Li Na won her first match since the first round of Wimbledon when she beat Lucie Safarova 6-3 6-4 to reach the third round.
The Chinese, who lost in the first round in Toronto last week, looked in better form in Cincinnati and will face Williams next if the American beats Stosur.
Elsewhere, unseeded Flavia Pennetta upset 12th seed Anastasia Pavlyuchenkova 2-6 6-3 6-3 to set up a tie with Daniela Hantuchova.


Serbia's Jelena Jankovic, the 13th seed, eased through her first encounter with a 6-0 6-3 win over Czech Iveta Benesova to set up a meeting with 15th seed Jie Zheng.



In the men's draw, 15th seed Jo-Wilfried Tsonga showed no signs of the arm injury which forced him to retire during his semi-final with Novak Djokovic (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/tennis/14519689.stm) last weekend in Montreal as he eased into the second round with a 6-3 6-4 win over Marin Cilic.



Unseeded Andrey Golubev of Kazakhstan shocked 16th seed Stanislas Wawrinka 3-6 6-4 6-1, while former ATP World Tour finals champion Nikolay Davydenko beat Ukrainian Sergiy Stakhovsky 6-2 7-6 (7-5) to set up a meeting with Mardy Fish.






Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/tennis/14552207.stm

dragonflies
Aug 16th, 2011, 09:59 PM
Serena was just preparing us all that very shortly she is going home. Actressrena was upfront and in Cincinnati. lol




Yeah, Serena is obviously tired and it's understandable after playing an intense schedule with many matches in a short period of time. Her health is probably not fully recovered from the embolism too. On another hand, Serena was not shy to show all her tireness, exhausting, miserable out there for everyone to see in a dramatic way. ;). So now she has a good excuse to withdraw/ lose in the tournament and fly to LA for the celebrites " get around" :lol:

Serena y Monica
Aug 16th, 2011, 10:34 PM
I don't get why some of you think this is funny. She committed to play unless she is truly hurt she should play. She played in Cali was off a week and played Toronto. If she wanted to go to that joke of a wedding then she should not have committed to Cincy...just that simple. She's there now she should give it her all there are fans kids and adults who have splurged to to see her play...I hope she respects that and doesn't give a walk over or a tank.

Laura_VeeFan
Aug 16th, 2011, 10:41 PM
She got distracted by Kim Kardashians wedding probably :lol:

A win is a win though...

Huntress55
Aug 16th, 2011, 10:42 PM
Wow that got a little close for comfort in the second set, but happy she pulled it out in two.

Not happy that is has to be Serena vs Sam again but whatever, just hope for a good match :)

dsanders06
Aug 16th, 2011, 10:43 PM
First time I've watched Serena since her first match in Toronto. She was striking the ball very well when in position, but her footwork was ATROCIOUS, even worse than her normal standards. Notice how she hasn't played a single great defender in her whole US Open Series run sofar ... but that could change if she plays Na Li on Thursday. I highly doubt Stosur will beat her.

I'm going to actually give Serena more credit than her fans, and say this was just a bad day at the office. Because if she really is so diabolically unfit that she's tired after just six matches in Toronto, then her fans had better start worrying about her chances at the US Open, where if she's going to win the title she'll have to play 13 matches in 14 days (assuming she plays doubles too).

Galsen
Aug 16th, 2011, 10:48 PM
First time I've watched Serena since her first match in Toronto. She was striking the ball very well when in position, but her footwork was ATROCIOUS, even worse than her normal standards. Notice how she hasn't played a single great defender in her whole US Open Series run sofar ... but that could change if she plays Na Li on Thursday. I highly doubt Stosur will beat her.

I'm going to actually give Serena more credit than her fans, and say this was just a bad day at the office. Because if she really is so diabolically unfit that she's tired after just six matches in Toronto, then her fans had better start worrying about her chances at the US Open, where if she's going to win the title she'll have to play 13 matches in 14 days (assuming she plays doubles too).

don't even think that Serena and Venus will play doubles this year.

dsanders06
Aug 16th, 2011, 10:52 PM
don't even think that Serena and Venus will play doubles this year.

Even if she doesn't, it still doesn't bode well if she's getting tired from just six matches, all but one of which were straight sets. But I'll assume she isn't THAT unfit, and that she was just playing badly and that her fans were desperate to put a positive spin on it.

Galsen
Aug 16th, 2011, 10:58 PM
Even if she doesn't, it still doesn't bode well if she's getting tired from just six matches, all but one of which were straight sets. But I'll assume she isn't THAT unfit, and that she was just playing badly and that her fans were desperate to put a positive spin on it.

6 matches in 6 days when you come back is a lot.
@ USO , she'll have 7 matches in 13 days so I don't think it will be a problem.
She seemed tired against Lucie last week too but she won at the end.

HippityHop
Aug 16th, 2011, 11:03 PM
I don't know what was wrong with Serena to be honest.

But she did NOT seem impressed or happy when the guy asked her to sign some balls for the crowd.

If she's ill then she needs to withdraw. If she's physically tired then she needs to withdraw.

I don't want her losing to someone like Stosur or Na Li. IMHO, she's had enough matches and should focus on resting up for the US Open. Playing these many matches in such a short period after 12 months out isn't beneficial to be honest.

Agreed. And now she's guaranteed a seed at the open. Plus she got a little extra spending money. :tape: This tournament is not important enough for her to burn herself out.

Serenita
Aug 16th, 2011, 11:12 PM
A win is a win i guess. :shrug:

BuTtErFrEnA
Aug 16th, 2011, 11:22 PM
6 matches in 6 days when you come back is a lot.
@ USO , she'll have 7 matches in 13 days so I don't think it will be a problem.
She seemed tired against Lucie last week too but she won at the end.

why are you bothering with him :lol:

faboozadoo15
Aug 16th, 2011, 11:26 PM
I think there's some overreacting going on here. She can't bring it hard every day, and she won in straight sets. It wasn't pretty or fun to watch, but she got it done.

I really don't think she'll tank, but if she does, could she pretty please do it to Sharapova (if even she makes it that far)? :lol:

mdterp01
Aug 16th, 2011, 11:38 PM
Wow...just watched the match on the ESPN3 replay and Serena was so lethargic and indifferent. I can't believe after being up 5-1 and 0-30 on Hradecka's serve that it got to a freaking tiebreak. If this Serena shows up tomorrow tha Sam is going to steamroll her. Don't get it twisted though...even a loss today would've meant NOTHING going into the US Open. She will still be the favorite and she will bring it. This seems like a classic tank setup.

Galsen
Aug 16th, 2011, 11:47 PM
why are you bothering with him :lol:

lol you're right Kimmie.
I'll send you a cake very soon to celebrate your bday:hearts:

dragonflies
Aug 16th, 2011, 11:47 PM
First time I've watched Serena since her first match in Toronto. She was striking the ball very well when in position, but her footwork was ATROCIOUS, even worse than her normal standards. Notice how she hasn't played a single great defender in her whole US Open Series run sofar ... but that could change if she plays Na Li on Thursday. I highly doubt Stosur will beat her.

I'm going to actually give Serena more credit than her fans, and say this was just a bad day at the office. Because if she really is so diabolically unfit that she's tired after just six matches in Toronto, then her fans had better start worrying about her chances at the US Open, where if she's going to win the title she'll have to play 13 matches in 14 days (assuming she plays doubles too).



Double is not that hard on the body like when players playing single, espcially when they only have to cover half of the court , don't have to run that much like in single and don't have to hit every single shot. Double is actually seen as a good practice section in Slams to prepare for single matches. for players ( and a mean to earn money for lower ranked players who usually lose early in Slams). Some players only started to pull out of doubles when after they played deep in the tournament after some hard fought 3 set matches in single.


For Serena, she won both single and double at the Slams so many times, so the hardship for playing both has been fine to her. This time might be a different approach though as she gets older, " passed her peak", fragile body as a result of the illness sideline.

silverwhite
Aug 17th, 2011, 12:49 AM
Even if she doesn't, it still doesn't bode well if she's getting tired from just six matches, all but one of which were straight sets. But I'll assume she isn't THAT unfit, and that she was just playing badly and that her fans were desperate to put a positive spin on it.

Get your facts right :lol:

Diesel
Aug 17th, 2011, 12:58 AM
A win is a win i guess. :shrug:

And we move on :yeah:

azinna
Aug 17th, 2011, 01:17 AM
Serena needs to eb careful here. Lazy days can become a habit.

....

BlameSerena
Aug 17th, 2011, 01:21 AM
I don't get why some of you think this is funny. She committed to play unless she is truly hurt she should play. She played in Cali was off a week and played Toronto. If she wanted to go to that joke of a wedding then she should not have committed to Cincy...just that simple. She's there now she should give it her all there are fans kids and adults who have splurged to to see her play...I hope she respects that and doesn't give a walk over or a tank.

But we don't know what her "all" is at this point. Right now she may just not be up to the task. People who pay to see sporting events have to understand that they may not always get to see that player/team at their ultimate best. It's the chance you take when you purchase a ticket...unfortunately.

winone23
Aug 17th, 2011, 01:33 AM
Well done Serena!

SAEKeithSerena
Aug 17th, 2011, 01:41 AM
omg serena is SO tired, you can tell. withdraw next match and rest up! you've been great this summer Serena!

RVD
Aug 17th, 2011, 01:50 AM
I don't get why some of you think this is funny. She committed to play unless she is truly hurt she should play. She played in Cali was off a week and played Toronto. If she wanted to go to that joke of a wedding then she should not have committed to Cincy...just that simple. She's there now she should give it her all there are fans kids and adults who have splurged to to see her play...I hope she respects that and doesn't give a walk over or a tank.Sometimes a player just isn't aware of how much their bodies will hold up (after such a long injury lay-off) until they 'test the waters'. And Serena has done that by playing these last couple of tourneys without a break.
I'm sorry, but the reality is that the human body can only take so much after such a health ordeal. I'm sure that the fans will understand, IF they care about her, beyond the price of a ticket.

why are you bothering with him :lol:Great question.
Initially, i was going to :facepalm: his post, then thought, "Why bother?"
Dude craps all over Serena, then comes in here and tries to get us to believe that he's
giving her the benefit of the doubt when she is obviously burnt out. http://deephousepage.com/smilies/jpshakehead.gif

dsanders06
Aug 17th, 2011, 01:54 AM
Great question.
Initially, i was going to :facepalm: his post, then thought, "Why bother?"
Dude craps all over Serena, then comes in here and tries to get us to believe that he's
giving her the benefit of the doubt when she is obviously burnt out. http://deephousepage.com/smilies/jpshakehead.gif

If she really is "burnt out" after just six matches, then she's going to have a hard time winning seven matches in New York against better opposition. That was my point.

Pump-it-UP
Aug 17th, 2011, 01:57 AM
If she really is "burnt out" after just six matches, then she's going to have a hard time winning seven matches in New York against better opposition. That was my point.

7 matches in 8 days in 2 different countries is far more strenuous than 7 in 13 at one tournament. Are you seriously trying to argue otherwise? :unsure:

dsanders06
Aug 17th, 2011, 01:59 AM
7 matches in 8 days in 2 different countries is far more strenuous than 7 in 13 at one tournament. Are you seriously trying to argue otherwise? :unsure:

At a Slam, where the mental and physical pressures are greater (see the disparity between Wozniacki's results at Slams and non-Slams). She even had a day's rest before today too.

RVD
Aug 17th, 2011, 02:07 AM
If she really is "burnt out" after just six matches, then she's going to have a hard time winning seven matches in New York against better opposition. That was my point.That said, and again, taking into account that she's notched phenomenal results already after a year long injury lay-off, I too wish that she was a tireless machine and could play non-stop, peak, tennis. As a fan, who wouldn't wish for such a thing of their fave player.
Unfortunately, reality is, and can be, sobering.

RenaSlam.
Aug 17th, 2011, 02:23 AM
Couldn't tell if she was purposely attempting to tank or not :scared: hahah

young_gunner913
Aug 17th, 2011, 02:32 AM
This is exactly why I wasn't here for Cinci. :rolleyes:

darrinbaker00
Aug 17th, 2011, 02:33 AM
Couldn't tell if she was purposely attempting to tank or not :scared: hahah

Tanking a match means losing it on purpose. Serena won her match today. Therefore, Serena did not tank.

Diesel
Aug 17th, 2011, 03:08 AM
That said, and again, taking into account that she's notched phenomenal results already after a year long injury lay-off, I too wish that she was an a tireless machine and could play none-stop, peak, tennis. As a fan, who wouldn't wish for such a thing of their fave player.
Unfortunately, reality is, and can be, sobering.

You = logical

Williamsfan4ever
Aug 17th, 2011, 03:08 AM
I was at this match.... Serena did not play bad. Lucid elevated her game. I get tired of hearing crap about hoe bad a top player has played when a match is tight. Lucie has a Damn good serve. Also Serena did not look tired. I watched her practice she was working on just rolling the ball deep. Exactly what she worked on in the match. Serena is only gonna play tough when she needs too. She isn't trying to waste energy.

Drake1980
Aug 17th, 2011, 03:09 AM
:lol:

tennisbum79
Aug 17th, 2011, 03:52 AM
Serena-Stosur at 2:30PM tomorrow

Which Serena will show up?

harloo
Aug 17th, 2011, 03:55 AM
No.

I really wish Serena would just go home and get some rest before the Open. Going to Cincy was a bad idea. She looked so tired and disinterested. It's not that serious.

bandabou
Aug 17th, 2011, 04:25 AM
That backhand to make it 5-5 in the TB?! :hearts: Is why she's a champ.

Justin SW
Aug 17th, 2011, 04:31 AM
Good win for Serena. She had to be tired/jet-lagged...nice to pull it out in 2. It was obvious in the last few games that she wanted to get off the court. Does she have a day off tomorrow?

Hradecka played pretty well in the 2nd (painful on MP though :tape:).

Jet lagged...really?! Ok Canada isn't in Europe. It's a 1h30 flight from Toronto to Cincinnati.

EDIT: AND same time zone

RVD
Aug 17th, 2011, 04:48 AM
You = logical:wavey:

bandabou
Aug 17th, 2011, 06:13 AM
She was cruising..then missed a couple of bp's, then got tight at the end...and well..:lol:

Navratil
Aug 17th, 2011, 06:43 AM
Serena's attitude is horrible sometimes. She looks bored and not focused on the match. Maybe it was good for her that it got that close in the end of the 2nd.

She should take her opponents more serious. Even a big baby with weird technique :D

ZODIAC
Aug 17th, 2011, 06:53 AM
Serena-Stosur at 2:30PM tomorrow

Which Serena will show up?why are they making her play in this heat:fiery:and pova gets evening matches when its nice and cool.:help:she should concoct an injury or illness why play when she looks so exhausted and looked like she was about to faint.:sad:

bandabou
Aug 17th, 2011, 07:16 AM
Nah, it's good for her..needs to get some match-toughness, playing in difficult conditions..so she's ready for anything at the Open.

ElusiveChanteuse
Aug 17th, 2011, 07:28 AM
Serena's attitude is horrible sometimes. She looks bored and not focused on the match. Maybe it was good for her that it got that close in the end of the 2nd.

She should take her opponents more serious. Even a big baby with weird technique :D

Yeah I also kind of disappointed by her attitude. She knew she's already tired but she almost acted like she's going to break down on the court when she lost her chances to serve out for the match. But the funny thing is when she played the shots, she looked so calm and steady until the point was over, she just acted like she's going to collapse in a second.:haha: Great acting I should say from Serena.:oh:

LightsOut!
Aug 17th, 2011, 07:35 AM
Sarin :)

MrSerenaWilliams
Aug 17th, 2011, 07:45 AM
At a Slam, where the mental and physical pressures are greater (see the disparity between Wozniacki's results at Slams and non-Slams). She even had a day's rest before today too.


Wait, wait...did you REALLY just try to compare Serena and WOZNIACKI?!

http://i52.tinypic.com/24yahcn.gif

deliverance.
Aug 17th, 2011, 07:58 AM
Lucie :sad:
But good match :)

LUVMIRZA
Aug 17th, 2011, 07:58 AM
Lucie:hug:

John.
Aug 17th, 2011, 08:27 AM
A win is a win. I'm sure she'll pick it up against Stosur

bandabou
Aug 17th, 2011, 08:50 AM
If she really is "burnt out" after just six matches, then she's going to have a hard time winning seven matches in New York against better opposition. That was my point.

Why won't just go awayyyy already?! Jeez man! :rolleyes:
She hasn't played for a year, is coming back from a serious long condition...and now she's playing her 3rd week in a row. Of course, her body is gonna feel a bit tired.

And what better opisition? :lol: Everybody was there at Toronto no? And she's beaten the whole Wimbledon SF, except for Petra already. But we'll see how it goes.

Patrick345
Aug 17th, 2011, 09:22 AM
One of the greatest, without a doubt, but that is an example of why she is not the greatest. What an horrible attitude. She is already planning her exit from Cincy and it reflects in the odds against Stosur. Everybody expects her to tank the match. If Hradecka hadn´t made such a mess at the start of the match, Serena would have gone out willingly yesterday.

bandabou
Aug 17th, 2011, 10:02 AM
First time I've watched Serena since her first match in Toronto. She was striking the ball very well when in position, but her footwork was ATROCIOUS, even worse than her normal standards. Notice how she hasn't played a single great defender in her whole US Open Series run sofar ... but that could change if she plays Na Li on Thursday. I highly doubt Stosur will beat her.

I'm going to actually give Serena more credit than her fans, and say this was just a bad day at the office. Because if she really is so diabolically unfit that she's tired after just six matches in Toronto, then her fans had better start worrying about her chances at the US Open, where if she's going to win the title she'll have to play 13 matches in 14 days (assuming she plays doubles too).

:lol: And let me guess who's the favorite? Maria " I lose to the first person who can serve and make me move" Sharapova?! :rolls:

bandabou
Aug 17th, 2011, 10:25 AM
One of the greatest, without a doubt, but that is an example of why she is not the greatest. What an horrible attitude. She is already planning her exit from Cincy and it reflects in the odds against Stosur. Everybody expects her to tank the match. If Hradecka hadn´t made such a mess at the start of the match, Serena would have gone out willingly yesterday.

If she converts one of those many many mp's at 5-2, wouldn't be even having much discussions..but shows that even Serena gets tight sometimes.

doomsday
Aug 17th, 2011, 10:32 AM
:lol: And let me guess who's the favorite? Maria " I lose to the first person who can serve and make me move" Sharapova?! :rolls:

Bandabou give him a break he was just stating the obvious, no need to attack Maria:o

BlameSerena
Aug 17th, 2011, 11:46 AM
I was at this match.... Serena did not play bad. Lucid elevated her game. I get tired of hearing crap about hoe bad a top player has played when a match is tight. Lucie has a Damn good serve. Also Serena did not look tired. I watched her practice she was working on just rolling the ball deep. Exactly what she worked on in the match. Serena is only gonna play tough when she needs too. She isn't trying to waste energy.

Nice to have the perspective of someone who was actually there. Thanks.

LightWarrior
Aug 17th, 2011, 12:10 PM
Serena-Stosur at 2:30PM tomorrow

Which Serena will show up?

Very unlikely.

"Nothing against Cincinnati or Toronto or the Stanfords that I played, but this is all preparation. Everyone is preparing for the US Open, so I have to be smart and make sure it's not too much," Williams said.
http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/17082011/58/serena-keeps-run-cincy.html

bandabou
Aug 17th, 2011, 12:37 PM
Bandabou give him a break he was just stating the obvious, no need to attack Maria:o

It's THINKING that you're stating the obvious, that gets one in trouble more often than not. ;)

BuTtErFrEnA
Aug 17th, 2011, 12:43 PM
Bandabou give him a break he was just stating the obvious, no need to attack Maria:o

what was the obvious he stated?? serena is playing basically the same opponents she can and probably will face at the uso, so there's no "better opposition" to face...and there she gets days off in between, while now she has to play all rounds while she would usually get a bye...


she was off for almost a whole year...of course WINNING all your matches and still practising during the down moments will take more out of her than if she were still at the same fitness she was when she left in 2010 :lol:

6 matches in 6 days (all won), does not = 7 matches in 14 days :weirdo:

longtin23
Aug 17th, 2011, 12:50 PM
Can someone tell me what happened??

DefyingGravity
Aug 17th, 2011, 12:53 PM
You have no idea how hearing this match on the grounds and seeing the score in person just makes you want to vomit. Serena seemed like she just took the gas pedal off too soon in this one. And it was sad to see her have to sit down after the match. That lung capacity got tested today.

bandabou
Aug 17th, 2011, 01:17 PM
what was the obvious he stated?? serena is playing basically the same opponents she can and probably will face at the uso, so there's no "better opposition" to face...and there she gets days off in between, while now she has to play all rounds while she would usually get a bye...


she was off for almost a whole year...of course WINNING all your matches and still practising during the down moments will take more out of her than if she were still at the same fitness she was when she left in 2010 :lol:

6 matches in 6 days (all won), does not = 7 matches in 14 days :weirdo:

Thank you...mannn, sometimes people just don't think. :lol:

HippityHop
Aug 17th, 2011, 01:34 PM
Tanking a match means losing it on purpose. Serena won her match today. Therefore, Serena did not tank.

Stop making sense. It's not allowed in here. Especially when talking about Serena.:mad:

HippityHop
Aug 17th, 2011, 01:38 PM
Wait, wait...did you REALLY just try to compare Serena and WOZNIACKI?!

http://i52.tinypic.com/24yahcn.gif

I was like WTF? at that too. :lol:

tennisbum79
Aug 17th, 2011, 01:51 PM
Serena's attitude is horrible sometimes. She looks bored and not focused on the match. Maybe it was good for her that it got that close in the end of the 2nd.

She should take her opponents more serious. Even a big baby with weird technique :D
I am also concerned that, although Serena does not not intend it, fans and tournament organizers might interpret her attitude as lack of respect for the tournament.

Since the USO incident, Serena has built a great deal of goodwill and support among the American public, a support which has not always been there for a variety of reasons.
I would hate for her to lose that in her first return to USO since that incident.


I hope no sports writers and commentators takes this and hits Serena over the head with it.
The way she plays today will go a long way, win or lose, will go a long way to determine what happen next.
I am just glad Mary Carillo was not around, she would inflame the passion of the viewers by her usual sniping at Serena.

BlameSerena
Aug 17th, 2011, 02:21 PM
I am also concerned that, although Serena does not not intend it, fans and tournament organizers might interpret her attitude as lack of respect for the tournament.

Since the USO incident, Serena has built a great deal of goodwill and support among the American public, a support which has not always been there for a variety of reasons.
I would hate for her to lose that in her first return to USO since that incident.


I hope no sports writers and commentators takes this and hits Serena over the head with it.
The way she plays today will go a long way, win or lose, will go a long way to determine what happen next.
I am just glad Mary Carillo was not around, she would inflame the passion of the viewers by her usual sniping at Serena.

That could happen, but I think if that is the reaction the American fans have then screw them. She is playing better than anyone right now, certainly better than any American player. Serena has given her all since she's been back. She's been playing at a decent level and winning. What more can American fans want? Personally, I thought she did well to make it to the QF in Toronto, then she surprised me and went all the way. She should be commended, not condemned. So, yesterday she may have had a bad day finishing and concentrating but she finished and won. I really just think she should be appreciated no matter what her showing is here in Cincy.

harloo
Aug 17th, 2011, 02:26 PM
I am also concerned that, although Serena does not not intend it, fans and tournament organizers might interpret her attitude as lack of respect for the tournament.

Since the USO incident, Serena has built a great deal of goodwill and support among the American public, a support which has not always been there for a variety of reasons.
I would hate for her to lose that in her first return to USO since that incident.


I hope no sports writers and commentators takes this and hits Serena over the head with it.
The way she plays today will go a long way, win or lose, will go a long way to determine what happen next.
I am just glad Mary Carillo was not around, she would inflame the passion of the viewers by her usual sniping at Serena.

Sports writers and commentators still take hits at Serena regardless of her brilliant comeback and attitude adjustment since the return. She has remained drama free on court since the 2009 US Open incident and yet ESPN will surely spin it during the US Open this year repeatedly. If having an attitude during one funky match is grounds for losing some imaginary "good will" the gesture is pretentious anyways.

Diesel
Aug 17th, 2011, 02:34 PM
When the past US darlings have been Capriati and Roddick, the last thing Serena should do is worry about what some writer or US fan thinks.

Serena y Monica
Aug 17th, 2011, 03:05 PM
You have no idea how hearing this match on the grounds and seeing the score in person just makes you want to vomit. Serena seemed like she just took the gas pedal off too soon in this one. And it was sad to see her have to sit down after the match. That lung capacity got tested today.


What....?

BuTtErFrEnA
Aug 17th, 2011, 03:08 PM
I am also concerned that, although Serena does not not intend it, fans and tournament organizers might interpret her attitude as lack of respect for the tournament.

Since the USO incident, Serena has built a great deal of goodwill and support among the American public, a support which has not always been there for a variety of reasons.
I would hate for her to lose that in her first return to USO since that incident.


I hope no sports writers and commentators takes this and hits Serena over the head with it.
The way she plays today will go a long way, win or lose, will go a long way to determine what happen next.
I am just glad Mary Carillo was not around, she would inflame the passion of the viewers by her usual sniping at Serena.


then the love was never genuine, if having a bad match and a sucker attitude makes them see it as a lack of respect...she's better off without that

Serena y Monica
Aug 17th, 2011, 03:20 PM
But we don't know what her "all" is at this point. Right now she may just not be up to the task. People who pay to see sporting events have to understand that they may not always get to see that player/team at their ultimate best. It's the chance you take when you purchase a ticket...unfortunately.


A loss is not a tank. I was primarily addressing those in her fandom who seems to think it would be fine for her just to half ass it so she can attend a wedding. She already made a commitment and it's to the fans at Cincy. Oh and yeah we can guess that if she losses today after her camp has been talking about wanting at least a 1st round win and then turns up at the "infamous" wedding she half assed it.

She finally has a positive story line. She has fans actively pulling for her to win and it's because she says her 1st commitment is now to tennis. Now would be a good time to make true her words.

Serena y Monica
Aug 17th, 2011, 03:31 PM
Sometimes a player just isn't aware of how much their bodies will hold up (after such a long injury lay-off) until they 'test the waters'. And Serena has done that by playing these last couple of tourneys without a break.
I'm sorry, but the reality is that the human body can only take so much after such a health ordeal. I'm sure that the fans will understand, IF they care about her, beyond the price of a ticket.

Great question.
Initially, i was going to :facepalm: his post, then thought, "Why bother?"
Dude craps all over Serena, then comes in here and tries to get us to believe that he's
giving her the benefit of the doubt when she is obviously burnt out. http://deephousepage.com/smilies/jpshakehead.gif


Serena has been training a few months now. I think she knows the limitations of her body at this point (if there are any in regard to her lungs).

Trying to turn this into an issue of caring about her is silly. This is a matter of simply meeting your commitments. If she steps on the court and gives it her all...and looses...fine. But it she tanks as some in her fandom are suggesting then it's not fine...cause the price of a ticket to lend her their support is significant to some of her fans...and she should value and respect that.

Serena y Monica
Aug 17th, 2011, 03:46 PM
Very unlikely.

"Nothing against Cincinnati or Toronto or the Stanfords that I played, but this is all preparation. Everyone is preparing for the US Open, so I have to be smart and make sure it's not too much," Williams said.
http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/17082011/58/serena-keeps-run-cincy.html



Therein lies the problem with Serena's attitude for me. I agree with her that these events are prep...BUT she made the commitment. If she had any reservations then the better and more honarable part of valor would be to have never commited. Play a week and decide win loose or draw...off a week. But don't play and win then decide I'm out. It sucked when Sampras did it and it will suck if she does it.

MrSerenaWilliams
Aug 17th, 2011, 03:57 PM
Therein lies the problem with Serena's attitude for me. I agree with her that these events are prep...BUT she made the commitment. If she had any reservations then the better and more honarable part of valor would be to have never commited. Play a week and decide win loose or draw...off a week. But don't play and win then decide I'm out. It sucked when Sampras did it and it will suck if she does it.


But how is she supposed to know AHEAD of time how much preparation she needs?

What if she didn't win Stanford/Toronto? Would you rather she have a late withdrawal from Cincy instead?

BlameSerena
Aug 17th, 2011, 04:00 PM
A loss is not a tank. I was primarily addressing those in her fandom who seems to think it would be fine for her just to half ass it so she can attend a wedding. She already made a commitment and it's to the fans at Cincy. Oh and yeah we can guess that if she losses today after her camp has been talking about wanting at least a 1st round win and then turns up at the "infamous" wedding she half assed it.

She finally has a positive story line. She has fans actively pulling for her to win and it's because she says her 1st commitment is now to tennis. Now would be a good time to make true her words.

Well we agree on that. But who determines what is a loss versus a tank? Just because she would show up at a wedding that would make this loss (IF she does lose to Stosur) a tank? Kim K is one of her best friends, why wouldn't she go if she's free? No one knows what Serena is truly capable of now considering her health problems of late. Methinks, Serena is also figuring out her limitations and testing her body to see how far she can go. What one person looks at as a tank, someone else sees as a loss. Only Serena knows what she's doing. We can only speculate.

Serena y Monica
Aug 17th, 2011, 06:13 PM
Well we agree on that. But who determines what is a loss versus a tank? Just because she would show up at a wedding that would make this loss (IF she does lose to Stosur) a tank? Kim K is one of her best friends, why wouldn't she go if she's free? No one knows what Serena is truly capable of now considering her health problems of late. Methinks, Serena is also figuring out her limitations and testing her body to see how far she can go. What one person looks at as a tank, someone else sees as a loss. Only Serena knows what she's doing. We can only speculate.


The only purpose of this forum is speculation. It amazes me how willing we are to accept lack of character. Everytime Serena opens her mouth she's giving thanks to her God "Jehova" yet her "God" is all about close associations and letting her life choices reflect his glory...and yet she seems to have no personal integrity. The very fact that a woman who is infamous because she released a sex tape of herself is a close associations speaks volumes about Serena. It's the reason why though I'm a fan of her tennis I'm not a big fan of the person as she presents herself. Just speculating here but she seems to be totally lacking in self awareness. It's all about taking with no sense of greater obligation. I don't do the fairy tale that is religion but since she claims she does one would think she would realize that unlike most of the fans, who think it's ok if she does it ,she should in fact care about the tour that has enriched her life. She should care about the fans and their perception of her.

I realize we are all incomplete and we are each trying to make it in the best way we know how and I respect that...but I won't pretend I don't see that she is basically a primary narcissist who plays tennis extremely well...hell it's likely why she is so good.

mykarma
Aug 17th, 2011, 06:23 PM
Serena has been training a few months now. I think she knows the limitations of her body at this point (if there are any in regard to her lungs).

Trying to turn this into an issue of caring about her is silly. This is a matter of simply meeting your commitments. If she steps on the court and gives it her all...and looses...fine. But it she tanks as some in her fandom are suggesting then it's not fine...cause the price of a ticket to lend her their support is significant to some of her fans...and she should value and respect that.
As a healthcare professional I disagree with that statement. She won't really know until she's challenged. She probably thinks she's ready but only time will tell.

Serena y Monica
Aug 17th, 2011, 06:32 PM
But how is she supposed to know AHEAD of time how much preparation she needs?

What if she didn't win Stanford/Toronto? Would you rather she have a late withdrawal from Cincy instead?

I think I answered that in the post you quoted. Then she tries to get a wildcard into New Haven or she goes into the Open with the prep she has. Simply put it is not okay to use people for your needs with little or no regard for them. If you transfer this type of behavior into the real world it's called anti social behavior. It's what sociopaths do. If we are responsible people we teach our children about choices and personal integrity.

I don't for one minute believe Serena is injured, my opinion, I think she decided that she has gotten what she wants from the tour...for now...and fuck the fans and organizer of this event. I would rather she realized that A. She made a commitment therefore...B. She is obligated to meet it even if it is no longer expedient.

This type of behavior is par for the course with Serena...so if she's had a epiphany that allegedly put things in perspective then that means thinking outside her own selfish wants. So out of respect to the fans if she's unsure...DON'T COMMIT.

BlameSerena
Aug 17th, 2011, 06:38 PM
The only purpose of this forum is speculation. It amazes me how willing we are to accept lack of character. Everytime Serena opens her mouth she's giving thanks to her God "Jehova" yet her "God" is all about close associations and letting her life choices reflect his glory...and yet she seems to have no personal integrity. The very fact that a woman who is infamous because she released a sex tape of herself is a close associations speaks volumes about Serena. It's the reason why though I'm a fan of her tennis I'm not a big fan of the person as she presents herself. Just speculating here but she seems to be totally lacking in self awareness. It's all about taking with no sense of greater obligation. I don't do the fairy tale that is religion but since she claims she does one would think she would realize that unlike most of the fans, who think it's ok if she does it ,she should in fact care about the tour that has enriched her life. She should care about the fans and their perception of her.

I realize we are all incomplete and we are each trying to make it in the best way we know how and I respect that...but I won't pretend I don't see that she is basically a primary narcissist who plays tennis extremely well...hell it's likely why she is so good.
I'm not a Kim K fan either and have voiced this, but Serena knows Kim K as a person far more than we will ever. Maybe people shouldn't be so judgmental. I would hardly say Serena has no personal integrity. Wow, that's just completely an overreaction. Do you realize what she has been through? Do you realize she has made a successful return and has put on a great display of tennis? What more can she possibly do? Should she choose her friends based on who her fans approve of or don't? That's all too silly for me. Serena and her camp basically set us up for this in Toronto. No surprises here.

I do think Serena cares about her fans. I don't think pulling out of a tournament suggests that she doesn't. She's one of few players who will respond to fans (at least before the stalker incident) on Twitter. She has written blogs expressing her gratitude to her fans on multiple occasions. I don't know what else she can do...call us up personally and let us know she gives a crap what we think?

edificio
Aug 17th, 2011, 06:40 PM
When the past US darlings have been Capriati and Roddick, the last thing Serena should do is worry about what some writer or US fan thinks.

Hear, hear! :yeah:

Except, at least, Roddick could be funny in press conferences.

Lucemferre
Aug 17th, 2011, 06:43 PM
:yawn: 99% of tennis players will disappoint you if you get to know them in real life.She is not your lover, enjoy her tennis and shut up.

Serena y Monica
Aug 17th, 2011, 07:02 PM
I'm not a Kim K fan either and have voiced this, but Serena knows Kim K as a person far more than we will ever. Maybe people shouldn't be so judgmental. I would hardly say Serena has no personal integrity. Wow, that's just completely an overreaction. Do you realize what she has been through? Do you realize she has made a successful return and has put on a great display of tennis? What more can she possibly do? Should she choose her friends based on who her fans approve of or don't? That's all too silly for me. Serena and her camp basically set us up for this in Toronto. No surprises here.

I do think Serena cares about her fans. I don't think pulling out of a tournament suggests that she doesn't. She's one of few players who will respond to fans (at least before the stalker incident) on Twitter. She has written blogs expressing her gratitude to her fans on multiple occasions. I don't know what else she can do...call us up personally and let us know she gives a crap what we think?

Kim's character rarely crosses my mind...but since Serena claims to have such a strong belief in God (I don't) then it should cross hers. After all she is a Jehova's Witness and a major tenant of her faith is not associating with people who don't reflect God's glory. Yes she and her camp did set this up in Toronto...but are you suggesting that because she told people in advance that she would fuck them...that therein makes the fucking ok?

Look I'm not religious or naive. I fully realize that people will do whatever it is they can get away with esp. if they are self absorbed. I also realize that we teach people how we want to be treated...I just hope that some in her fandom realize this. Realizing and accepting people for who they are allows me admire the tennis but I won't pretend not to see the lack of character the hypocrisy and the narcissism that defines Serena..

tennisbum79
Aug 17th, 2011, 07:30 PM
That could happen, but I think if that is the reaction the American fans have then screw them.

She is playing better than anyone right now, certainly better than any American player.
Serena has given her all since she's been back.
She's been playing at a decent level and winning.
What more can American fans want? Personally, I thought she did well to make it to the QF in Toronto,
then she surprised me and went all the way. She should be commended, not condemned.
So, yesterday she may have had a bad day finishing and concentrating but she finished and won.
I really just think she should be appreciated no matter what her showing is here in Cincy.


Sports writers and commentators still take hits at Serena regardless of her brilliant comeback and
attitude adjustment since the return. She has remained drama free on court since the 2009 US Open incident and yet
ESPN will surely spin it during the US Open this year repeatedly.
If having an attitude during one funky match is grounds for losing some imaginary "good will" the gesture is pretentious anyways.

then the love was never genuine, if having a bad match and a sucker attitude makes them see it as a lack of respect...she's better off without that


Here is the deal.
Serena is getting toward the end of her career and seems now to be more mindful of what people think of her.
He is no longer that brash little who could not care less what other think of her. She is now older and is already thinking about her legacy.


I don't if you have noticed, but since Serena come back after going this terrible ordeal, she has more appreciation for her sport as sport, but also a community she call home. a community where she belongs.
That is why, she can't stop talking about much she misses the sport, being on the stage, people clapping when she is introduced, just being able to play again and be with other players.


That is maturity right there, but also a vulnerability of an adult.

Some fans have matured with her are well too aware of her vulnerability and how she might deal with unnecessary blow back; others, still are in the mindset of the other Serena, the one before her illness.
Both still love her equally.

starin
Aug 17th, 2011, 07:40 PM
:yawn: 99% of tennis players will disappoint you if you get to know them in real life.She is not your lover, enjoy her tennis and shut up.

this x ∞

Diesel
Aug 17th, 2011, 07:41 PM
Here is the deal.
Serena is getting toward the end of her career and seems now to be more mindful of what people think of her.
He is no longer that brash little who could not care less what other think of her. She is now older and is already thinking about her legacy.


I don't if you have noticed, but since Serena come back after going this terrible ordeal, she has more appreciation for her sport as sport, but also a community she call home. a community where she belongs.
That is why, she can't stop talking about much she misses the sport, being on the stage, people clapping when she is introduced, just being able to play again and be with other players.


That is maturity right there, but also a vulnerability of an adult.

Some fans have matured with her are too aware of her vulnerability and how she might deal with unnecessary blow back; others, still are still in the mindset of the other Serena, the one before her illness.
Both still love her equally.

Speaking from my own Serena fandom angle, I don't care as much about what writers, other fans, the media, players, etc think of Serena. My own feelings and thoughts are enough. Shouldn't yours be too? If Serena is dissed or if she's appreciated it's either a plus or a minus. I loved the reaction in Toronto, but that fan reaction and the standing O she received from commentators didn't make the tournament for me. Serena did and the good vibes she gives me. My thoughts, feelings on Serena are set and outside forces aren't going to influence me to be 'ashamed' if she says something they deem wrong or if she withdraws and they aren't going to make me feel better about Serena or about being her fan just because they are late in the game in giving her just due since her comeback.

As is the case with such comments now about those who are concerned about Serena's character or what the media will say or think by something in her actions, they are right on board celebrating with all Serena fans when she's holding a trophy, all her vices forgotten then.

But you're right, all kinds of fans adore Serena, in their own way, some with conditions and others without.

Bijoux0021
Aug 17th, 2011, 07:46 PM
:yawn: 99% of tennis players will disappoint you if you get to know them in real life.She is not your lover, enjoy her tennis and shut up.
Very well said. :worship:

Serena y Monica
Aug 17th, 2011, 08:12 PM
Sometimes I just want to scream. Enjoying the tennis doesn't mean you don't recognize and refute the flawed character...the other choice of course is to rationalize and justify.

RVD
Aug 17th, 2011, 08:55 PM
Serena has been training a few months now. I think she knows the limitations of her body at this point (if there are any in regard to her lungs).

Trying to turn this into an issue of caring about her is silly. This is a matter of simply meeting your commitments. If she steps on the court and gives it her all...and looses...fine. But it she tanks as some in her fandom are suggesting then it's not fine...cause the price of a ticket to lend her their support is significant to some of her fans...and she should value and respect that.You assume much. That's regrettable.

Look, no one KNOWS what their limitations are after a lengthy injury time off.
I don't know if it is a lack of Human Biology knowledge, or lack of knowledge in general, but the best thing I can suggest is that you consult with a physician so that you understand Serena's situation/condition.
I'm sorry to say that you sound very young and very inexperienced about the limitations of human body.

Btw, why do you have Serena's name in your avatar, yet know so little about her. :scratch:

Serena y Monica
Aug 17th, 2011, 10:00 PM
You assume much. That's regrettable.

Look, no one KNOWS what their limitations are after a lengthy injury time off.
I don't know if it is a lack of Human Biology knowledge, or lack of knowledge in general, but the best thing I can suggest is that you consult with a physician so that you understand Serena's situation/condition.
I'm sorry to say that you sound very young and very inexperienced about the limitations of human body.

Btw, why do you have Serena's name in your avatar, yet know so little about her. :scratch:


I nor anyone on this board knows about Serena's injury or how affected her lungs are...we only know what Serena has said.

I do however know that she has a pattern of behavior that shows a lack or respect for the tour. I know she's been setting up pulling out of Cincy since last week.
I know that if i'm truly unsure of how much my body could take after training now for some 3-4 months that as someone who is known for pulling out of events I would think of the fans and not myself (for once) and commit with caution as opposed to committing to back to back tournaments in case I loose early in the first but consider the next event and it's fans and expendable to my wants. I know that she like everyone else on tour has some injury or discomfort...but would there be a tour if they all pulled out every time they wanted to do something more than they wanted to meet their obligation. You'll note I'm not argueing that she shouldn't play only when and where she wants...I'm arguing that once she commits to an event...that unless she is physically incapable of taking the court...she should take the court.

I've probably forgotten more about Serena and tennis than you know. But this isn't about tennis...at least not to me...it's about Serena's continued lack of respect for fans and the tour.

VishaalMaria
Aug 17th, 2011, 10:05 PM
I nor anyone on this board knows about Serena's injury or how affected her lungs are...we only know what Serena has said.

I do however know that she has a pattern of behavior that shows a lack or respect for the tour. I know she's been setting up pulling out of Cincy since last week.
I know that if i'm truly unsure of how much my body could take after training now for some 3-4 months that as someone who is known for pulling out of events I would think of the fans and not myself (for once) and commit with caution as opposed to committing to back to back tournaments in case I loose early in the first but consider the next event and it's fans and expendable to my wants. I know that she like everyone else on tour has some injury or discomfort...but would there be a tour if they all pulled out every time they wanted to do something more than they wanted to meet their obligation. You'll note I'm not argueing that she shouldn't play only when and where she wants...I'm arguing that once she commits to an event...that unless she is physically incapable of taking the court...she should take the court.

I've probably forgotten more about Serena and tennis than you know. But this isn't about tennis...at least not to me...it's about Serena's continued lack of respect for fans and the tour.


I don't know why you're not understanding that Serena just couldn't take the court. Whether she wants to cite an aggravated toe, we all know she was tired as hell in her last match. She hasn't played three events like that in a row for a long time. Her withdrawing from Cincinnati is legit. She at least tried and showed up for her first match.

I don't see there being anything wrong with that. Especially if you know that it's just going to make things worse. If you need to rest, you need to rest.

BlameSerena
Aug 17th, 2011, 11:10 PM
Kim's character rarely crosses my mind...but since Serena claims to have such a strong belief in God (I don't) then it should cross hers. After all she is a Jehova's Witness and a major tenant of her faith is not associating with people who don't reflect God's glory. Yes she and her camp did set this up in Toronto...but are you suggesting that because she told people in advance that she would fuck them...that therein makes the fucking ok?

Look I'm not religious or naive. I fully realize that people will do whatever it is they can get away with esp. if they are self absorbed. I also realize that we teach people how we want to be treated...I just hope that some in her fandom realize this. Realizing and accepting people for who they are allows me admire the tennis but I won't pretend not to see the lack of character the hypocrisy and the narcissism that defines Serena..

Well no one is perfect :shrug:. You say Kim's character should cross Serena's mind. It should, but you nor I know the depths of their friendship. For all we know Kim could mean the world to Serena, and if that is the case, Kim's past transgressions may not be enough to end their friendship. I am not a Jehovah's Witness either, but I do believe in God, and one thing that seems to be common in many religions is forgiveness. Perhaps Serena has forgiven Kim, or perhaps Kim has changed. Perhaps Serena isn't squeaky clean and isn't a judgmental bat :shrug:. I'm not willing to call her a hypocrite based on so little information.

The "fucking" may not be "ok," but it was somewhat expected.

You don't have to pretend not to see anything. Serena isn't perfect, but saying she is devoid of integrity and character is a bit much and I completely disagree. She pulls out of one tournament when she's been going out of her way to make an impact this summer. That doesn't bother me. As for being narcissistic, no doubt, Serena has a healthy self-esteem, and a lot of GREATS can be arrogant. They are often surrounded by "YES" people. Serena isn't alone in that department. It's part of what makes her a great champion.

BlameSerena
Aug 17th, 2011, 11:19 PM
Speaking from my own Serena fandom angle, I don't care as much about what writers, other fans, the media, players, etc think of Serena. My own feelings and thoughts are enough. Shouldn't yours be too? If Serena is dissed or if she's appreciated it's either a plus or a minus. I loved the reaction in Toronto, but that fan reaction and the standing O she received from commentators didn't make the tournament for me. Serena did and the good vibes she gives me. My thoughts, feelings on Serena are set and outside forces aren't going to influence me to be 'ashamed' if she says something they deem wrong or if she withdraws and they aren't going to make me feel better about Serena or about being her fan just because they are late in the game in giving her just due since her comeback.

As is the case with such comments now about those who are concerned about Serena's character or what the media will say or think by something in her actions, they are right on board celebrating with all Serena fans when she's holding a trophy, all her vices forgotten then.

But you're right, all kinds of fans adore Serena, in their own way, some with conditions and others without.


Well said, especially the bold.
I don't need other people to like Serena or accept her in order for me to.
And I'm thinking that while Serena may enjoy being accepted by more fans, I seriously doubt she's losing sleep over it if she pushes a wrong button and they're back to not liking her.

RVD
Aug 18th, 2011, 12:53 AM
I nor anyone on this board knows about Serena's injury or how affected her lungs are...we only know what Serena has said.

I do however know that she has a pattern of behavior that shows a lack or respect for the tour. I know she's been setting up pulling out of Cincy since last week.
I know that if i'm truly unsure of how much my body could take after training now for some 3-4 months that as someone who is known for pulling out of events I would think of the fans and not myself (for once) and commit with caution as opposed to committing to back to back tournaments in case I loose early in the first but consider the next event and it's fans and expendable to my wants. I know that she like everyone else on tour has some injury or discomfort...but would there be a tour if they all pulled out every time they wanted to do something more than they wanted to meet their obligation. You'll note I'm not argueing that she shouldn't play only when and where she wants...I'm arguing that once she commits to an event...that unless she is physically incapable of taking the court...she should take the court.

I've probably forgotten more about Serena and tennis than you know. But this isn't about tennis...at least not to me...it's about Serena's continued lack of respect for fans and the tour.I'm glad that you posted all of that because you just proved my point; which is that you don't KNOW anything about Serena.

How can you possibly know what she herself doesn't/didn't?

You are saying that she planned in advance to pull out of Cincy, because she knew in advance that she'd aggravate her foot.
Well that's an amazing talent.

Wow!

Okay, now, how about specifically predicting her next 5 moves.
I mean since you KNOW Serena better than she knows herself, that shouldn't be too difficult, right?Well said, especially the bold.
I don't need other people to like Serena or accept her in order for me to.
And I'm thinking that while Serena may enjoy being accepted by more fans, I seriously doubt she's losing sleep over it if she pushes a wrong button and they're back to not liking her.I agree. That was nicely stated.

The one thing that irks so many about Serena is that she does it HER WAY, and they can't handle it. And apparently, a few so-called Serena fans fall into this category as well. This isn't unusual though, because we've seen them come and go.

Serena y Monica, if you feel that Serena is such a horrible person, then don't support her.
It's as simple as that.

Serena y Monica
Aug 18th, 2011, 01:23 AM
Well no one is perfect :shrug:. You say Kim's character should cross Serena's mind. It should, but you nor I know the depths of their friendship. For all we know Kim could mean the world to Serena, and if that is the case, Kim's past transgressions may not be enough to end their friendship. I am not a Jehovah's Witness either, but I do believe in God, and one thing that seems to be common in many religions is forgiveness. Perhaps Serena has forgiven Kim, or perhaps Kim has changed. Perhaps Serena isn't squeaky clean and isn't a judgmental bat :shrug:. I'm not willing to call her a hypocrite based on so little information.

The "fucking" may not be "ok," but it was somewhat expected.

You don't have to pretend not to see anything. Serena isn't perfect, but saying she is devoid of integrity and character is a bit much and I completely disagree. She pulls out of one tournament when she's been going out of her way to make an impact this summer. That doesn't bother me. As for being narcissistic, no doubt, Serena has a healthy self-esteem, and a lot of GREATS can be arrogant. They are often surrounded by "YES" people. Serena isn't alone in that department. It's part of what makes her a great champion.

Finally someone who disagrees with me but does so honestly...it's all one can ask when having a discussion. Thank you.

Jehova's Witnesses should not have close friends who are not witnesses...sad but true, so regardless of who the "real" Kim is Serena should not be connected to her and claiming to be faithful to her religions. I'm sure you can google it if you want. I don't think her devoid of character just lacking in it, but I really do appreciate being able to talk to you rationally.

Serena y Monica
Aug 18th, 2011, 01:32 AM
I'm glad that you posted all of that because you just proved my point; which is that you don't KNOW anything about Serena.

How can you possibly know what she herself doesn't/didn't?

You are saying that she planned in advance to pull out of Cincy, because she knew in advance that she'd aggravate her foot.
Well that's an amazing talent.

Wow!

Okay, now, how about specifically predicting her next 5 moves.
I mean since you KNOW Serena better than she knows herself, that shouldn't be too difficult, right?I agree. That was nicely stated.

The one thing that irks so many about Serena is that she does it HER WAY, and they can't handle it. And apparently, a few so-called Serena fans fall into this category as well. This isn't unusual though, because we've seen them come and go.

Serena y Monica, if you feel that Serena is such a horrible person, then don't support her.
It's as simple as that.


Either there is a comprehension problem or you are purposefully missing the point either way fine. I don't believe their is a toe problem...she maybe tired but so is everyone else and it's not a reason to back out of your commitment. I'm a fan of well played tennis...not Serena's behavior. I will defend her from those who I believe to be bigots on this board but I won't condone what I view to be at this point beyond poor behavior. If everyone on tour did what Serena does...there would be no tour. Have a nice night.

RVD
Aug 18th, 2011, 01:36 AM
Either there is a comprehension problem or you are purposefully missing the point either way fine. I don't believe their is a toe problem...she maybe tired but so is everyone else and it's not a reason to back out of your commitment. I'm a fan of well played tennis...not Serena's behavior. I will defend her from those who I believe to be bigots on this board but I won't condone what I view to be at this point beyond poor behavior. If everyone on tour did what Serena does...there would be no tour. Have a nice night.Again, you have done my job for me. So no, I haven't missed the point at all.
ALL of your posts are based solely on "personal belief", not facts.
You have a nice night too.

Diesel
Aug 18th, 2011, 01:41 AM
Well said, especially the bold.
I don't need other people to like Serena or accept her in order for me to.
And I'm thinking that while Serena may enjoy being accepted by more fans, I seriously doubt she's losing sleep over it if she pushes a wrong button and they're back to not liking her.

Yeah, I don't get it. Fans are accused of living through their favorites but who lives through the media, their perception and other people's thoughts on your favorites? That's weird.

Again, you have done my job for me. So no, I haven't missed the point at all.
ALL of your posts are based solely on "personal belief", not facts.
You have a nice night too.

:yeah:

mykarma
Aug 18th, 2011, 01:43 AM
Finally someone who disagrees with me but does so honestly...it's all one can ask when having a discussion. Thank you.

Jehova's Witnesses should not have close friends who are not witnesses...sad but true, so regardless of who the "real" Kim is Serena should not be connected to her and claiming to be faithful to her religions. I'm sure you can google it if you want. I don't think her devoid of character just lacking in it, but I really do appreciate being able to talk to you rationally.

That's a lie and you don't know what the hell you're talking about. Jehovah Witnesses can be friends with whomever they choose. I know this for a fact because I have family members that are Jehovah Witnesses.

BlameSerena
Aug 18th, 2011, 01:49 AM
Finally someone who disagrees with me but does so honestly...it's all one can ask when having a discussion. Thank you.

Jehova's Witnesses should not have close friends who are not witnesses...sad but true, so regardless of who the "real" Kim is Serena should not be connected to her and claiming to be faithful to her religions. I'm sure you can google it if you want. I don't think her devoid of character just lacking in it, but I really do appreciate being able to talk to you rationally.

:lol: Serena fans are the most rational bunch, of course :angel:.

I guess I really haven't held Serena to the standard of a Jehovah's Witness as 1) I know so little about the religion, and 2) I do not give a fuck :lol:. Seriously, Serena could practice Jediism (a real religion) and I would still be a fan.

Why should I be concerned with whether or not she is properly practicing her religion?