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Rising Sun
Dec 5th, 2001, 02:41 PM
I've decided to come up a thread to discuss the strengths and flaws of the Chinese Tennis teams. <img src="wink.gif" border="0"> <br />And news of course...

Apparently, the Chinese Team have "recommenced" their training for the Asian Games next year, and the 2004 Olympics from the 1st December at Shenzhen.

The women's team include:

* Li Na (Hubei)<br />* Li Ting (Hubei)<br />* Liu Nan-Nan (Tianjin)<br />* Peng Shuai (Tianjin)<br />* Yan Zi (Sichuan)<br />* Zheng Jie (Sichuan)<br />* Sun Tian-Tian (Henan)<br />* Liu Jing-Jing (Hunan)

All these girls are talented. I'm especially looking forward to seeing how 17 year old, Yan Zi does in the future.

Now we know why there were no Chinese players at Nonthaburi this week. <img src="wink.gif" border="0">

Rising Sun
Dec 5th, 2001, 03:00 PM
This 'training' is going to take place for 3 months, so i guess we'll see them out of action until Fed Cup. <img src="frown.gif" border="0">

They say that they'll play more international events next year. Hope so...<br />As well as this, initially there will be 10 domestic ITF events in China next year.

Interestingly, Li Na went to the US in Sept by herself to play in an event. Due to the Sept 11 events, she was stranded in one of the airports and couldn't arrive on time. No wonder I saw her name on one of the singles draws but was replaced by a lucky loser. <img src="frown.gif" border="0">

Dec 5th, 2001, 03:35 PM
Good idea to start this thread danker. I hope we will have some "insiders" posting some news very soon.

I did not know that Li Na had sufficient funds to go on her own to the States. I thought that the Chinese Federation was collecting all prize money and financing in return all players in the national team.

Or was it paid by her family?

It is maybe a good thing she starts to be on her own as she has the talent to be in the top 100 quickly and she needs the means now.

As far as ITF tourneys in China are concerned, according to the latest updated schedule, 5 tourneys have been cancelled already (including the $25,000 in Ningbo) and 3 have been added (including a $25,000 in Shenzhen).

[ December 05, 2001: Message edited by: Steveg ]</p>

Rising Sun
Dec 5th, 2001, 03:52 PM
Those events were cancelled becaused they clashed with the $50K ones in Japan. I can't see the team travelling to Japan, they always seems to avoid playing there for some reason. <img src="frown.gif" border="0">

I'm sure more will be added later on. I think those 10 tourneys include Shanghai as well, but I'm not too sure. BTW, the Kiwi Open has been moved a few weeks back to avoid clashing with the Asian Games. <img src="wink.gif" border="0">

I heard 50% of the prizemoney goes to the government, and 20% to the Federation and they get to only keep 30% of it. I don't know if that's still the policy or not. <img src="confused.gif" border="0">

Dec 5th, 2001, 04:01 PM
It was still something of this kind last April.

Randy H
Dec 6th, 2001, 05:06 AM
I really hope Na Li climbs back up in the rankings next year, she was so close to top 100 in 2000, and didn't keep playing bigger events in 2001 which saw her ranking drop down signficantly. If she can play more events, especially outside of China, I think she can definetly be in the top 100.

Also hope to see more from Shuai Peng next year.

Dec 6th, 2001, 05:16 AM

I remember a discussion on the former Sanex WTA board with danker on Li Na. It had appeared that actually she had had some kind of mental breakdown when she tried to play bigger events than ITF (danker had mentioned had that time that she had cancelled her US tour).

So I can only hope that she has matured and will be successful this year. There certainly could be a nice paper to write about Na for the WTA essay stuff on 2002 up and coming players. <img src="wink.gif" border="0">

Randy H
Dec 6th, 2001, 05:41 AM
Thanks for the info on Na, Steve <img src="smile.gif" border="0"> I didn't realize she suffered a breakdown, I am sure it must be tough for tour players trying to make a transition to travelling around the world constantly, and even more so makign a transition from ITF events, to WTA events which get more attention on them.

I too hope she has matured with the experience of the past 2 seasons, and is ready to start working her way up. It would be a real shame if she didn't move up and make the most of her potential!

Dec 6th, 2001, 12:03 PM

the pressure these kiddies get on them is certainly unbelievable (after all, they are only between 15 and 20 for most of them!).

This is why I believe it is good there is such a site as WTAworld, where most of the comments on players are positive. If they read them, I am certain it somehow helps them.

Rising Sun
Dec 6th, 2001, 02:39 PM
Just something to comment on, the average age of the 8 players in the Chinese training squad is 18! <img src="redface.gif" border="0">

Very young indeed, I also read that they are all sacrificing their rankings this year in order to compete next year to their full potential.

Steve, of all the Chinese players you've seen, would you say that Li Na has the most potential?<br />I read that the coach felt that Liu Nan-Nan was to defensive in the final of the National Championships.

Dec 6th, 2001, 05:45 PM
danker, I have not seen Shuao Peng yet. I have seen only :<br />- Li Na<br />- Li Ting<br />- Sun Tian Tian<br />- Liu Jing Jing

in both 2000 and 2001 Hochiminh City ITF

- Liu Nan Nan

in 2001 Hochiminh City ITF

There is one year difference between Liu Nan Nan and Li Na. This can sometimes make a lot of difference.

As far as Liu Nan Nan is concerned, I saw her match against Wynne Prakusya <img src="wink.gif" border="0"> . She did not seem to defensive to me. However, she certainly bent down when Wynne shifted to 6th gear. Wynne has however shown she has a huge potential since then.

However I must say that Na got rid easily (to my impression) of Angelique in Hochiminh City. It was not much of a threat to her. She really controled the match from beginning to end.

Against Vaidyanathan, Na did not hesitate to go to the net to take control of the match (while she is usually dictating the pace from the back of the court).

And she had not major difficulty to close the match against Roberta Vinci.

I think however that this is because Na has more experience than Liu Nan Nan. It could be that Liu Nan Nan was psychologically nrevous in the final against Li Na. Na is doing usually fine against other Chinese players.

I think I'll be able to give some more comments after seeing Liu Nan Nan for a second tourney (at least I hope so).

Na has however been so far the player who made the strongest impression on me. She is also the only player who has not had the results I expected.

As far as she is concerned, she will not come next time in Hochiminh City without having a serious conversation with me. If we are both in Vietnam at the same time, I can guarantee that to you. <img src="wink.gif" border="0"> <img src="wink.gif" border="0">

I would however based on what I have seen so far give a slight edge to Na.

Dec 6th, 2001, 05:52 PM
One more comment danker. I note the comment saying that the Chinese players are "sacrificing the year" to play at their full potential the year after.

I really have the feeling that the Chinese Federation is always asking their players to make sacrifices :<br />- either for the next year<br />- or for the next generation

However, the Chinese Federation can not expect to have a spontaneous tennis prodigy pop up like that from the Chinese squad.

Having a top player requires talent of course, but also determination and a lot of work.

I would guess this is why Na is starting to play tourneys on her own. She could feel she is being sacrificied by the Chinese Federation for younger players, with not much more potential, whilst she feels she can really make it.

I hope I am right and she will reallly go for it this year and prove the Chinese Federation that their approach is wrong.

What pushes me to think so is that the Chinese coach was really ignoring Na during last tourney to focus much more on Liu Nan Nan.

I really think it was wrong and Na is not that old (she'll be 20 in 2002) and can still make it very big.

Big Fat Pink Elephant
Dec 6th, 2001, 07:05 PM
Can you guys tell me one thing: How will Taiwan's situation be at the Olympics?? Just wondering... <img src="rolleyes.gif" border="0">

Dec 6th, 2001, 10:11 PM
I have also seen Na play .... as expected she was quite powerful .... i really expected her to break through last year.... she's a fairly tall girl for a chinese and likes to whack the ball....she's fit, young .... hammers the backhand you would reckon she is destined to have a succesful pro career.... but she has yet to break through <img src="frown.gif" border="0"> <img src="frown.gif" border="0"> <img src="frown.gif" border="0">

Na seems to destroy ALL the asian girls in asia .... then mentally breakdown against any other opponents on any other continent <img src="frown.gif" border="0"> <br />Na IMO is top 50 material.... if only she wasn't so fragile when it comes to traveling to other countries and experiencing new situations! <img src="frown.gif" border="0">

The Chinese Tennis Federation don't seem to be aware of the consequences on their decisions! - they have some talent with Nan-Nan, Na, Zi. if only they could develop their players more! <img src="frown.gif" border="0"> <img src="frown.gif" border="0"> <img src="frown.gif" border="0">

Rising Sun
Dec 9th, 2001, 03:50 PM
Steve, I saw that you wrote on another thread that Sun Tian-Tian has her up-and-downs in a match especially when she's in a bad mood.

Can you describe her to me a bit more?

Is Liu Jing-Jing like this too?

BTW, Do you recognise any Chinese players in the "2000" gallery of <a href="http://www.kiwiopen.com?" target="_blank">www.kiwiopen.com?</a>

Dec 9th, 2001, 04:43 PM
It has been a while ago so my memory could be playing some tricks. <img src="frown.gif" border="0">

I think that Sun Tian Tian is in her 1.70m. Hair upto her shoulders.

difficult to describe her face.

As far as her overall appearance is concerned, she is not as "athletic" as Li Na but she is not as slender as Liu Jing Jing.

As think that Liu Jing Jing must be around 1.75. I saw her however only during the 2000 ITF. In 2001, she lost during the qualies and I came back in Vietnam only just in time for the main draw.

So I missed her. I know however she had a lot of success...

As far as Sun Tian Tian is concerned, she is THE only player with whom I could not speak during this tourney. I tried to but she really avoided it. I think however she is a nice girl. Not so bad looking all in all <img src="wink.gif" border="0"> .

I had a look at the 2001 gallery already and recognised easily Li Ting, Li Na and also Liu Nan Nan. I did not see any clear picture of the others (I did not particularly looked for them also).

Did you recognise them?

I have however not had a look at the 200 gallery. I am going there and I'll tell you. I just hope that the pics are bigger than in the 2001 pages. Otherwise, I'll be needing a magnifying glass for the rest of my life.

Dec 9th, 2001, 04:49 PM
There is only one I would know on the 2000 gallery : the one with the blue short. And I am not even sure it is she!!! But I would go for Sun Tian Tian.

She looks a bit like Liu Jing Jing and I can really make the difference only when I see them in real.

I have a difficulty to estimate the size on these pics.

But I think that Liu Jing Jing had shorter hair in 2000.

Dec 9th, 2001, 04:51 PM
Sorry danker, I did not see that was more than one page. So the girl with the blue short I mention is on the first page. <img src="redface.gif" border="0">

I'll have a look at the other pages and let you know... <img src="wink.gif" border="0">

Dec 9th, 2001, 05:01 PM
I am not certain but I think the pics #148 and 150 could be Liu Jing Jing. Easier to recognise the profile.

[ December 09, 2001: Message edited by: Steveg ]</p>

Dec 9th, 2001, 05:09 PM
this time I am 90% certain : the girl on the pic 134 is Sun Tian Tian! I recognise her nose!!!

Dec 9th, 2001, 05:16 PM
So to summarise :

- #148 and #150 would most probably be Liu Jing Jing

- #134 would most certainly be Sun Tian Tian

For the first one, I must admit I am not too sure now.

Dec 10th, 2001, 01:50 PM
So danker, could you see the pics (as well as Liu Nan Nan in the 2001 gallery)?

Besides, is there anyone to confirm?

Rising Sun
Dec 10th, 2001, 04:07 PM
Yes, I could recognise all the Chinese players in the 2001 gallery including Peng Shuai who played doubles with Liu Nan-Nan.

For some reason, I can't see the pics in the 2000 gallery. Could u post the ones with Sun Tian-Tian and Liu Jing-Jing?

Dec 10th, 2001, 05:13 PM
No problem danker (I just hope I am not far away and my guesses are right <img src="redface.gif" border="0"> ).

<br />According to me, this would be Sun Tian Tian :



Any second opinion <img src="confused.gif" border="0"> ?

I have had another look at the pics I thought were Liu Jing Jing but I think I am wrong. It looks more like Li Ting, before she puts on weight (she put a lot on weight between 2000 and 2001). I did not recognise her at first as I had mostly in mind her appearance in 2001, rather than in 2000.

I will have to take a second look for Liu Jing Jing. I think the earlier pics could be she.

Please just give me some more time. I'll find her <img src="graemlins/bounce.gif" border="0" alt="[Bounce]" /> .

[ December 10, 2001: Message edited by: Steveg ]</p>

Dec 10th, 2001, 05:15 PM
These pics were just my 200th post!!! <img src="smile.gif" border="0"> .

Rising Sun
Dec 11th, 2001, 05:07 PM
Congrats on your 200th post Steve. <img src="wink.gif" border="0">

Would u happen to know who the Chinese player on the far right is?


Dec 11th, 2001, 05:29 PM
danker,<br />do you mean the woman on the far right of the first pic? I have no clue.

I saw some other Chinese players in Hochiminh City (incl. one in the plane to Hanoi) but I did not get all the names of the players and I did not remember their faces <img src="confused.gif" border="0"> .

If you are talking about the guy with the white cap, he looks old enough to me to be a coach. I do not think however he is the one I met in Vietnam : he was younger and taller (around 1.95+).

[ December 11, 2001: Message edited by: Steveg ]</p>

Yu-lun Wang
Dec 13th, 2001, 10:57 AM
Jing Qian Yi announced her retirement recently.<br />She will attend a college and study news media.

Dec 13th, 2001, 11:14 AM
But why?! - why? .... this girl could fully play some quality tennis! <img src="graemlins/firey.gif" border="0" alt="[Fiery]" /> <img src="graemlins/firey.gif" border="0" alt="[Fiery]" /> <img src="graemlins/firey.gif" border="0" alt="[Fiery]" /> <img src="graemlins/firey.gif" border="0" alt="[Fiery]" /> <br />She could really lay into the ball - a real quality player! - i can't beleive she was so easily discouraged by her ranking dropping a few spots! <img src="graemlins/sad.gif" border="0" alt="[Sad]" />

This really disturbs me .... <img src="graemlins/sad.gif" border="0" alt="[Sad]" /> <br />I saw her play against Hingis in Wimbledon and she matched her stroke for stroke! .... and i saw her at Aus open once .... she had a great forehand as well .... <img src="graemlins/sad.gif" border="0" alt="[Sad]" /> i guess i will have to wait for Nan-Nan or Shuai to take her place...<br />she the no. 1 Chinese player now is Tian-Tian or Nan-Nan?

<img src="graemlins/sad.gif" border="0" alt="[Sad]" /> <img src="graemlins/sad.gif" border="0" alt="[Sad]" /> <img src="graemlins/sad.gif" border="0" alt="[Sad]" /> <img src="graemlins/sad.gif" border="0" alt="[Sad]" /> <img src="graemlins/sad.gif" border="0" alt="[Sad]" /> <img src="graemlins/sad.gif" border="0" alt="[Sad]" /> <img src="graemlins/sad.gif" border="0" alt="[Sad]" /> <img src="graemlins/sad.gif" border="0" alt="[Sad]" /> <img src="graemlins/sad.gif" border="0" alt="[Sad]" />

She even beat Capriat before! <img src="graemlins/sad.gif" border="0" alt="[Sad]" />

[ December 13, 2001: Message edited by: Vixen ]</p>

Martian KC
Dec 13th, 2001, 03:13 PM
I am not that surprised by Jing's decision! She keeps getting injured....the poor thing! <img src="graemlins/sad.gif" border="0" alt="[Sad]" /> I hope for the best for her!!! <img src="graemlins/wavey.gif" border="0" alt="[Wavey]" />

Dec 19th, 2001, 10:36 AM
It's not been a good year for Chinese tennis.

Does anyone know if Fang Li has retired too? She played her last event at the Ericsson Open and won just one match this year.

I don't think this training camp is a great idea as the girls must play international events to test their levels.

Dec 24th, 2001, 05:54 PM
In spite of her shoulder injury in the Asian Championships singles, Li Na seems to be in pretty good shape :

she won the women's and mixed doubles at these Asian Championships. Looks like a good omen for the coming season.

Rising Sun
Jan 9th, 2002, 07:06 AM
I'm not surprised at all that Jing-Qian retired. A real pity that injury caused her to retire. :(

Liu Nan-Nan is now the top Chinese player, although I personally think that it should be Li Na instead. ;)

I'm glad to see Nan-Nan, Sun Tian-Tian and Zheng Jie playing the circuit at Britain coming up. Hopefully Na will be playing some events soon too.

I have no clue to what's happened to Li Fang. She's either still injured since March or she decided to hang her racquet. She was one of my big faves. :mad:

Jan 9th, 2002, 04:07 PM
I do hope also that Na will play some tourneys, though she seems to have been quite injured these past months.

If I remember correctly, Nan Nan went to Bali (while she was only the runner up for the WC) because Na was injured. She got some WTA points there.

BTW, Hochiminh City IFT is scheduled around 3rd week of April. I hope the Chinese squad will come and I will not be away on business trip : I just bought a new digital camera ;) .

Rising Sun
Jan 13th, 2002, 11:10 AM
Good news, Li Na and Li Ting have committed to the following tourneys:

14 Jan: $10K Gainesville, USA
21 Jan: $10K Miami, USA
28 Jan: $25K Rockford, USA

We'll see whether they committed to $75K Midland the week after that when the commitments come out. This will be a great opportunity for them to get both their singles and doubles ranking back up. Glad to see the Chinese Tennis Federation using their initiative by sending some to the States and Europe.

BTW, nice avatar of Li Na. ;)

Jan 13th, 2002, 12:01 PM
brilliant Avatar ....

IF ONLY Na could play to her potential!
is she mantally weak? .... because she belongs in the top 50 no doubt in my mind..... maybe even top 30 in time ;)

Jan 13th, 2002, 12:54 PM
Thanks regarding the Avatar. I have to thank two persons for it : KC and Bill (Mitchell). I borrowed a couple of pictures from his website :) . Great pics than his.

Short digression : he has updated his page on Ai Sugyiama. It is really excellent !!!

danker, thanks for the news. Na is right to start again from $10,000 ITF tourneys. Nothing like a good warm-up at the beginning of the season. And I am certain she will not do like Lucic :( .

The two first tourneys are in Florida and the third one in Illinois. Let me see, do we know someone living in Florida....


:bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

Do you have any way to find some information regarding The Li team performances in Gainesville and in Miami :) :) :) .

Gainesville : University of Florida
Miami : Marriott Racquet Club

And if you happen to live nearby, any chance to see them????

If so, can you please check with them if they will go to Hochiminh City for the ITF tourney mid-end April??? I have my new camera and I intend to take some pics of them!!!! ;) ;)

Jan 13th, 2002, 07:32 PM
Tian Tian is now one place away from the main draw in Tipton (UK) week of Jan 28th.

She is therefore likely to be in the main draw :) , instead of the qualifyings.

Martian KC
Jan 13th, 2002, 08:28 PM
She's playing in Florida?!?! I'll see if I can get any information. I do live in near Miami.;)

Jan 13th, 2002, 08:37 PM
Excellent :) :cool: .

Here are the tourneys details :

MIAMI, FL 33126

PHONE: (305) 644-5478
FAX: (305) 644-0407

:) :) :)

Jan 14th, 2002, 07:22 AM

I just posted the Rockford commitment list. If Na is #2 in the alternate qualifying list in a $50,000 tourney, I am afraid her ranking will not be sufficient for her to play in a $75,000 tourney the week after :( . And not to mention Ting...

Rising Sun
Jan 17th, 2002, 10:17 PM
Just found a very interesting article regarding Li Na and Peng Shuai.
What do u think?


Jan 17th, 2002, 10:28 PM
Thanks danker,

I had actually already seen it a few months back while looking for some information on Li Na through engine search sites.

I had not paid too much attention to it at that time because it was last year and since then, Li Na ranking has only been going down. So it does not look like it has been of much help to her so far...

I thought besides that Na had been practicing extensively in China for the Chinese Games. So I am actually wondering if the deal is still on?

Do you know if Na stayed in the States last Summer or if she was in China?

I think it will be good overall for Chinese players, but maybe in the very long term. BTW, it could be the reason why 3 Chinese players will be in UK soon...

Jan 17th, 2002, 10:33 PM
Interesting Avatar that you have danker. Is it a music group?

BTW, I have been checking the list of WTA players currently under contract with SMC. I hope the list is not exhaustive, because it does not include any Chinese player :( .

Here is the link : SMC Women Tennis Players (http://www.smcsportsmarketing.com/wtennis.html)

Is it the Chinese flag at the bottom left of the page?

The players who have an hyperlink to SanexWTA Tour website players data page are mentioned. Na has such a data page on the Sanex website, but she does not appear in the SMC list :confused: .

Jan 17th, 2002, 10:38 PM
Here is another link, dated August last year :

SMC - Peng (http://www.smcsportsmarketing.com/pengnews.html)

They also mention Na's management but no news since then.

There is really so little information about Chinese tennis :( .

Jan 17th, 2002, 11:10 PM
So let's hope now that we will have some more news about Chinese tennis this year ;) .

Jan 18th, 2002, 05:27 PM
Hi danker, I found some further news on Na and Shuei stay in the States. The link is here :

Special guests drop by academy (http://www.irvineworldnews.com/Cstories/sep06/tennis.html)

So Na should have been in the States as from September. Does it make sense according to records of her traveling schedule that you have?

Rising Sun
Jan 18th, 2002, 07:15 PM
Yes, my avatar is of Country Musume, a musical group.
There were others but the size was much too big. :(

I guess it makes sense that Na was in the States at the time because I read an article in the Chinese Tennis Federation site saying that she was in the US training by herself.

In the Winter though, I think she's been training at home with the squad.

I'm very much looking forward to next week regarding the British circuit. ;)

Jan 18th, 2002, 11:40 PM
As far as UK tour is concerned, I just posted the acceptance list of Redbridge ($25,000 - Feb 04 to 10).

I am still hoping the Lis will appear somewhen in the States :confused: .

Jan 19th, 2002, 08:02 AM
Thanks for reminding me this article danker :cool: . It helped me to get some additional information :

1. Li Na will be under contract wiht SMC for the next 5 years.

2. Li Na's schedule has not yet been finalized and is hoped to
be completed by the end of February.

3. Li Na is expected to return to the US to train in Washington Dc which will be her new base, around Feb 11th.

3. She will play doubles with her partner who will also be in
Washington, where ever possible.

Rising Sun
Jan 19th, 2002, 05:10 PM
Thanks for this info. :)

Does this mean that she won't be playing the US circuit?
I saw her name listed for $75K Midland, as well as Ting's name.

I didn't realise that there was a credible tennis training centre in Washington DC. ;)

Jan 19th, 2002, 08:54 PM
You're right danker. I wonder which one this could be in Washington DC :confused: .

Jan 23rd, 2002, 12:46 AM
To summarise "Chinese situation" as at Jan 23 :

+ Li Na and Li Ting are in Miami for the $10,000 ITF tourney

Looks like Na season has started now! And SMC did not know it!

+ Liu Nan Nan, Sun Tian Tian, Yan Zi and Zheng Jie ( :angel: ) are in Hull for the $10,000 tourney.

Zheng Jie has a good opportunity has she will be playing against a quali in the first round

Rising Sun
Jan 23rd, 2002, 05:30 AM
Steve, you forgot Zheng Jie. ;)

Jan 23rd, 2002, 02:52 PM
LI Ting lost to MORALES, Milangela (USA) 57 62 62 :( .

Jan 23rd, 2002, 08:18 PM
Matches are starting at 11:00

SUN TIAN TIAN : 1st match - court 3
ZI YAN : 2nd match - court 1
JIE ZHENG : 2nd match - court 2
LIU NAN NAN : 3rd match (not before 13:30) - court 1

No one forgotten this time :angel: .

Jan 24th, 2002, 05:17 PM
After their brilliant victories in the first round, our 4 Chinese heroes of Hull are playing their second round this Thursday 24th :

Sun Tian Tian : 11:00 - court 2
Yan Zi : 11:00 - court 4
Zheng Jie : 11:00 - court 5
Liu Nan Nan : 2nd match - court 4

Since they play at the same time, it will be difficult for them to support each other (and for the coach to follow them :( ).

Jan 28th, 2002, 11:59 AM
Here is an update of Chinese players rankings (top #500) after last week first tourneys of the year :


1. 201 YI, JING-QIAN 140.00 39.00 12
2. 276 LIU, NAN NAN 77.50 13.00 10
3. 308 LI, NA 61.00 7.00 7
4. 380 SUN, TIAN TIAN 40.25 7.00 12
5. 460 ZHENG, JIE 28.00 3.00 6
6. 469 YAN, ZI 26.75 7.00 6

Nan Nan is up by one place after her victory in Hull. Na loses 8 places, Tian Tian 3, Jie 1 and Zi moves up by one place.

This week, only Sun Tian Tian has to defend points (5.25). So the others can only see their ranking improve after their results (either in UK, or in USA if they could make it in time for the qualies).

Hoping these players will be in $25,000 and more in future as there is not much to get from these $10,000 events, except some pocket money and some confidence.

Rising Sun
Jan 28th, 2002, 04:03 PM
Steve, in case you didn't realise, $25K and $10K events take an extra week to process.

Therefore, the points from Hull will be taken into account in next week's rankings.

Nan-Nan's rank should go up about 10 places, Zi to about 410, etc.

Jan 28th, 2002, 05:14 PM
Thanks for the info danker :o . I used to follow ranking after WTA events so far :angel: . And one more power failure here, one! :mad: .

During the whole day, there was no phone at home because they were "upgrading" the lines and now, once again, the power is down :mad: . Will have to disconnect within 1 hour if no improvement.

Jan 29th, 2002, 08:21 PM
To all the persons following Chinese players. In order to exchange information, it is important to empty the PM box from time to time :) ;) .

Otherwise, it is not possible to send PMs.


Rising Sun
Jan 29th, 2002, 09:14 PM
Emptied! :)

Jan 29th, 2002, 10:11 PM
Full again :eek: :eek: .

Jan 30th, 2002, 08:22 PM
Full again :eek: :eek: :eek: .

Feb 11th, 2002, 10:07 AM
Rankings as at 11.02.02

Name - ranking this week - ranking last week - progression

1 LI, NA 202 (296) +94
2 YI, JING-QIAN 204 (204) -
3 LIU, NAN NAN 252 (259) +7
4 SUN, TIAN TIAN 394 (393) -1
5 YAN, ZI 420 (419) +1
6 ZHENG, JIE 427 (437) +10
7 PENG, SHUAI 515 (514) -1
8 LI, TING 526 (524) -2
9 LIU, JING-JING 569 (568) -1

Last week tournaments Singles results

Li Na : winner - $75,000 Midland (USA)
Liu Nan Nan : 1st round MD - $25,000 Redbridge (GBR)
Sun Tian Tian : Q2 - $25,000 Redbridge (GBR)
Yang Zi : no tournament
Zheng Jie : no tournament
Peng Shuai : no tournament
Li Ting : no tournament
Liu Jing Jing : no tournament

This week tournaments

Li Na : no tournament
Liu Nan Nan : $25,000 ITF Sutton (GBR)
Sun Tian Tian : : $25,000 ITF Sutton (GBR)
Yang Zi : : $25,000 ITF Sutton (GBR)
Zheng Jie : : $25,000 ITF Sutton (GBR)
Peng Shuai: no tournament
Li Ting : no tournament
Liu Jing Jing : no tournament

Feb 12th, 2002, 04:50 PM
LI Na will be participating at the main draw of the Abierto Mexicano Pegaso - Acapulco, MEX Tier IV tournament, unless last minute change of schedule.

(Thanks for the info Danker ;) ).

Feb 13th, 2002, 12:03 AM

Feb 13th, 2002, 01:09 PM

[...] Li overwhelmed Swartz Creek native Mashona Washington 6-1, 6-2 before a packed house Sunday, completing the match in 50 minutes. [...]

Just like she did less than 12 hours earlier in a 6-1, 6-0 semifinal victory over Erika de Lone, Li never let Washington have a chance to make a match of it. Li broke Washington in the second game of the first set and the rout was on.

[...] Li's style is constant attack, never letting up. Even on second serves she put a little extra on them or sought out corners, which constantly had Washington on the defensive.

"I played about as well as I could, but she was hitting deep balls, hitting corners, hitting lines, you name it, she was doing it," Washington said.

When Washington tried to slow down the game a little, Li simply supplied her own power, rocketing shots right back at her opponent.


[...] Having never faced Washington before, Li simply stuck to the game plan that got her to Sunday's final.

"She said she didn't really have a (special) strategy because she didn't really know who her opponent was," said an interpreter, translating Li's comments.

As has been the case all week, Li's attacking style was brutally simple and brutally effective.

Using hard, deep groundstrokes, she kept Washington on the move nearly constantly, either forcing Washington into making errors or planting winners down the lines.

[...] Li, who entered the tournament ranked 308th in the world, said she was "happy" to win but added through the interpreter that she wasn't going to get too caught up with her recent success.

"She said she probably won't feel much different because there's always a tournament going on each week, so every week is something new to start over again," the interpreter said.


[...] Li became the third woman in the tournament's 14-year history to win as a qualifier, joining Anna Kournikova (1996) and Alexandra Stevenson (1998).

Li, ranked 308th on the WTA tour, had a dominating run. Her powerful ground strokes and serve helped her gain control of the matches.

Tournament director Mike Woody said [...] "Na Li's the (Muhammad) Ali of tennis. She has a 1-2 punch. She's definitely not a jabber. She goes for the knockout."

Li, who played almost exclusively from the baseline, mixed up powerful ground strokes, trying to end points with ferocious winners. Washington had 22 unforced errors, compared to Li's 18.

Feb 13th, 2002, 08:52 PM
That sounds very impressive:eek:
Hope she will be in Roland's qualies:D
Thanks SteveG

Feb 14th, 2002, 04:01 AM
Impressive indeed, just like Na can be. I hope too she'll be playing at RG as she has had good results on clay in the past.

And I hope mostly she'll be able to play more than 8 tournaments in a year :mad: , or she will never make it.

At least 20 would be fine :) .

Feb 17th, 2002, 09:13 PM
After the singles final in Sutton today, one of the "presentation party" presenting the cheques, said the Chinese players (i.e Zi Yan, Jie Zheng, Tian Tian Sun and Nan Nan Liu) left Britain today, after Zheng and Yan lost their doubles semi-final yesterday.

Does anybody know where they are going now? Back home to China?

Feb 18th, 2002, 10:53 AM
I think they went back to China, in order to train for the coming Fed Cup event.

They do not appear to be scheduled in any event until then.

BTW, which of the four players impressed you the most?

Feb 18th, 2002, 11:57 PM
Well, as a singles player, obviously Nan Nan Liu was the most impressive, as she won Tipton and Hull. However, from seeing her doubles matches, I wasn't as impressed with her there. She seemed to be less interested in these matches.
Indeed the player who I enjoyed watching most was Jie Zheng. She led Zi Yan and herself enjoyed numerous doubles wins in the UK, and they really worked well as a team. Also she had some very good results in the singles too. I can see her being within the top 250 by the end of the year if all goes well.
Honestly, considering Tian Tian Sun is the oldest of the four, I thought she was the least impressive. Whilst the other players showed very good mobility & stamina, in the matches I saw Sun seemed to tire quite quickly.

Feb 28th, 2002, 04:52 AM
Na did not go to Acapulco :( . I suppose the Chinese Federation asked her to focus on the preparation for the coming Fed Cup event.

Feb 28th, 2002, 02:52 PM
There are some news according to which the agreement between SMC and the Chinese Federation for Shuai Peng and Li Na did not work out :eek: .

Everything would have been canceled :sad: . Looking for more information...

Mar 1st, 2002, 01:56 AM
A pic of Shuai Peng :

Photo of PENG Shuai (http://http://users.cybercity.dk/~dsl43526/photo/pen1589p.jpg)

Mar 3rd, 2002, 02:54 AM
Nice pic :)

Why do the Chinese girls obey their Tennis Federation so religiously? :(
They should be more like the Italians and rebel - do what they want for their careers..... ;)

Mar 3rd, 2002, 03:10 AM
All Chinese players are sponsored by the Chinese Tennis Federation. There is no tennis career outside the Chinese Tennis Federation.

The situation is such that all players expenses will be played by the Federation, who in return will retain around 65% of players prize money.

Situation is a bit different from European / American countries there.

Mar 6th, 2002, 09:31 AM
Li Na, Li Ting, Liu Nan Nan and Zheng Jie are currently in Guang Zhou, playing for China in the Fed Cup.

And they are on fire :D .

After day three, they are #1 in their pool (that includes JPN, HKG, THA, UZB, PHI) with :

- 3 ties won, 0 lost
- 9 matches won, 0 lost
- 18 sets won, 0 lost
- 108 games won, 18 lost only :eek: (or an average of 2 per match :eek: :eek: !!!)

Mar 10th, 2002, 03:52 PM
Now that the Fed Cup is over, does someone know where the Chinese players will be :confused: ?

Mar 11th, 2002, 04:19 PM
Na had a thigh injury during the non-decisive doubles of the Fed Cup tie against Indonesia :sad: .

It is said however to be a minor injury.

Mar 11th, 2002, 10:46 PM
Any idea where the Chinese players from the Fed Cup will be going to play next? Are they staying in China, or will they be going abroad for ITF events?

Rising Sun
Mar 12th, 2002, 04:09 PM
Jonathan, the Chinese players are not scheduled to play any events as of yet, but they're likely to be playing the $25K event in Hochiminh on the week of April 8.

Nan-Nan's photo below:

Mar 12th, 2002, 04:17 PM
Thanks for the pic danker :D . That's a good one.

I did not remember that Nan Nan was a lefty :confused: . Very poor memory :o .

Mar 20th, 2002, 07:01 AM
Na will not defend her title at the $25K ITF Hochiminh City (April 8 to 14). She'll be in France instead (Dinan) for a $50K.

:sad: :sad: :sad: :sad:

Mar 21st, 2002, 12:02 PM
LIU Nan-Nan
PENG Shuai
SUN Tian-Tian
LI Ting
LIU Jing-Jing

are commited at the $25K ITF in Vietnam (Hochiminh City) :D .

Mar 30th, 2002, 12:16 AM
One more week to go :bounce: !!

Apr 2nd, 2002, 12:24 AM
I just happened to find a picture of YAN Zi :

Photo of YAN Zi (http://home19.inet.tele.dk/wta2/iphoto/yan1582i.jpg)

Apr 2nd, 2002, 12:26 AM
And one of Liu Nan Nan (Redbridge 2002) :

Photo of LIU Nan Nan (http://users.cybercity.dk/~dsl43526/photo/liu1467p.jpg)

Apr 2nd, 2002, 04:49 PM
The development efforts being undertaken by the China Tennis Association in partnership with the ITF have reached a new level with four Chinese tutors conducting a Level 2 Coaches Course in Guangzhou, Southern China, recently.

The China Tennis Association and the ITF have been working together since 1999 to upgrade the level of Chinese coaches and the playing level of their junior players with the overall aim of having more Chinese players achieve a world ranking, either at the junior or professional level.

Following the Fed Cup Asia/Oceania Group I and II ties held in Guangzhou in early March a Level II Coaches course was held. The course concluded on 23 March with a high rate of success with 24 of the 31 candidates passing the course. Among the participants were Pan Bing, a former Asian Champion, and Yi Jing Qian, a former top 100 player on the WTA Tour.

For the first time ever, four Chinese tutors who had previously been identified in former Level II Coaches courses and trained accordingly, conducted the course. They were Fu Zhong (Beijing), Qi Bing (Beijing), Jian Hong Wei (Jiansu) and Zeng Jing Xiong (Guangzhou). The aim is to have China self-sufficient in coaches education in the near future.

This year, China will also host a Regional Asian Coaches workshop which will take place in Beijing from 20-25 October.

In the area of talent identification, Tianjin, near Beijing, hosted the ITF/China 14 & Under Championships from 20-29 March, which involved the top 32 boys and girls. The three best boys and three best girls from the two feed-in tournaments played in Tianjin will travel to Europe this summer to play in a series of 14 & Under tournaments.

From ITF News - 2 April 2002, Issue Number 13

Apr 2nd, 2002, 10:45 PM
Those 14 & under tournaments they're coming to Europe to compete in, I wonder which they'll be? There's a grade 1 junior ITF tournament held from 23-28 June (qualifying 18-20 June) in Roehampton (South London).

Apr 3rd, 2002, 01:52 AM

Let me check that out for you next week when some Asian Tennis Federation (ATF) officials will be in Vietnam for the Women $25K ITF :) .

Apr 6th, 2002, 04:50 PM
The Chinese players have arrived Hochiminh City, except Peng Shuai who withdrew.

LIU Jing Jing is in the qualifying draw while LIU Nan Nan, Li Ting, Yan Zi and Zheng Jie are in the main draw.

Apr 7th, 2002, 02:01 PM
Originally posted by bluepastures
Those 14 & under tournaments they're coming to Europe to compete in, I wonder which they'll be? There's a grade 1 junior ITF tournament held from 23-28 June (qualifying 18-20 June) in Roehampton (South London).

The tournaments will be in France, Belgium, Netherlands and Germany.

No tournament in UK is part of the tour.

Apr 12th, 2002, 05:55 AM
Liu Jing Jing won't be able to be at Cagliari.

Apr 14th, 2002, 04:47 AM
Liu Jing Jing won't be able to be at Cagliari.

Same for LI Ting :sad: .

All the other players should be able to make it in time :D . They will however not be very fresh at their arrival in Italy :( .

Apr 14th, 2002, 06:29 AM
Originally posted by Steveg
Na will not defend her title at the $25K ITF Hochiminh City (April 8 to 14). She'll be in France instead (Dinan) for a $50K.

:sad: :sad: :sad: :sad:

too bad Na lost Ondraskova 4-6 3-6 in the first round:(

I'm worried about her ranking now, I hope she can get the RG Qualifying :) .

Apr 18th, 2002, 03:23 PM
I hope that Zi will be able to enter the qualifyings for the coming clay events in Italy (Taranto, Maglie) as her results in the $10K (Cagliari) are very encouraging given the little preparation she has had before this event on clay.

Fortunately Jie and Nan Nan won their respective matches, giving them good practice for more serious matches.

Jie should be able to win her next match (against Zi winner) : I trust their coach to have carefully analysed the match and determined a winning strategy for Jie :D .

I am just a bit worried for Nan Nan next match, given her R1 tight result.

We should hear by today of Tian Tian results in R1 - Cagliari. Can't wait for it :bounce: .

Apr 22nd, 2002, 10:29 AM
A little update on Chinese players. On the ranking side :


198 LI, NA 142.75
257 YI, JING-QIAN 90.00
276 LIU, NAN NAN 79.00
296 SUN, TIAN TIAN 67.25
339 PENG, SHUAI 52.50
364 ZHENG, JIE 44.25
430 YAN, ZI 33.00
523 LI, TING 23.00
548 LIU, JING-JING 21.00

Excellent progression of TIan Tian after the $25K Hochiminh City.


191 SUN, TIAN TIAN 140.00
207 YAN, ZI 124.50
209 ZHENG, JIE 121.50
237 SHEN, LUI LI 94.50
293 LI, TING 60.50
380 LIU, NAN NAN 37.50
400 LI, NA 32.50

Good progression ot Zi / Jie after Hochiminh City. Their ranking is higher than Na / Ting and they can be expected to be the Chinese main doubles pair for the coming Asian Games.

On the tournament front : $25K Taranto (IT)

Main Draw :
- LI Na

Qualifying Draw
- LIU Nan Nan
- SUN Tian Tian
- YAN Zi
- LI Ting

SUN Tian Tian won her first qualifying match by defeating the #4 seed. Others will probable be playing this Monday their first round match.

Apr 29th, 2002, 01:08 PM
Due to popular demand ( :rolleyes: ), here is a weekly update on Chinese tennis :

Singles Ranking

Current ranking - Last week ranking - Name - Ranking points - Next off

227 - (198) - LI Na - 109.75 - 0.00
271 - (276) - LIU Nan Nan - 79.00 - 0.00
317 - (296) - SUN Tian Tian - 58.25 - 0.00
319 - (257) - YI Jing Qian - 58.00 - 0.00
335 - (339) - PENG Shuai - 52.50 - 0.00
364 - (364) - ZHENG Jie - 45.25 - 0.00
421 - (430) - YAN Zi - 33.25 - 0.00
544 - (523) - LI Ting - 21.00 - 0.00
558 - (548) - LIU Jing Jing - 20.00 - 0.00

Doubles Ranking

Current ranking - Last week ranking - Name - Ranking points - Next off

203 - (209) - ZHENG Jie - 126.50 - 0.00
205 - (191) - SUN Tian Tian - 126.00 - 0.00
206 - (207) - YAN Zi - 123.50 - 0.00
247 - (237) - SHEN Lui Lui - 84.50 - 0.00
322 - (293) - LI Ting - 48.50 - 0.00
418 - (427) - CHEN Yan - 28.50 - 0.00
423 - (380) - LIU Nan Nan - 27.50 - 0.00
435 - (400) - LI Na - 25.50 - 0.00

Current tournament : $25K Maglie - ITA

SUN Tian Tian

Main draw
LIU Nan Nan (TBC)

LI Na and LI Ting seem to have packed back home.

Rising Sun
Apr 29th, 2002, 05:16 PM
Nice to see the Chinese players gradually going up, despite the falls for Li Na and Sun Tian-Tian this week. :)

Apr 29th, 2002, 06:00 PM

Zi and Jie are having regular singles results. Their performances are quite equal throughout the time. Nan Nan and Tian Tian are a bit everywhere on the other hand. I would have expected Nan Nan to be more regular. Something seems to be bothering her :confused: .

Nan Nan results have besides been going down in the past 3 weeks. I am afraid she could be a bit tired with all this travelling. I hope she will prove me wrong in Maglie :) .

Nice progress of Zi / Jie in doubles : next week should be even better after their victory in Taranto will be taken into account :) .

Apr 29th, 2002, 08:46 PM
Here is an announcement from the ITF :

The eight World Group losers from this weekend - Argentina, Australia, Czech Republic, Hungary, Russia, Sweden, Switzerland and USA - will play the Fed Cup World Group Qualifying Round on 20-21 July to determine whether they will remain in the World Group for 2003.

Joining them in a battle for promotion to the elite will be eight nations who qualified from Group I of Fed Cup Regional Qualifying. China and Japan secured their places as winners in the Asia/Oceania zone in March, while Canada and Columbia (Americas) and Israel, Netherlands, Slovenia and Ukraine (Europe/Africa) won their places in zonal play over the last week.


The Draw for the Fed Cup World Group Qualifying Round will take place at the ITF headquarters in London this Friday, 3 May at 9:30 am. Eight nations will be seeded.

So Friday, China opponent in Fed Cup will be known :) .

May 7th, 2002, 01:49 AM
[list=1] Singles Ranking

Current ranking - Last week ranking - Name - Ranking points - Next off

229 - (227) - LI Na - 109.75 - 0.00
274 - (271) - LIU Nan Nan - 79.25 - 0.00
317 - (317) - SUN Tian Tian - 61.50 - 0.00
322 - (319) - YI Jing Qian - 58.00 - 0.00
337 - (335) - PENG Shuai - 52.50 - 0.00
358 - (364) - ZHENG Jie - 47.50 - 0.00
412 - (421) - YAN Zi - 35.50 - 0.00
546 - (544) - LI Ting - 21.25 - 0.00
560 - (558) - LIU Jing Jing - 20.00 - 0.00

Doubles Ranking

Current ranking - Last week ranking - Name - Ranking points - Next off

178 - (203) - ZHENG Jie - 153.50 - 0.00
182 - (206) - YAN Zi - 150.50 - 0.00
196 - (205) - SUN Tian Tian - 133.00 - 0.00
248 - (247) - SHEN Lui Lui - 84.50 - 0.00
326 - (322) - LI Ting - 48.50 - 0.00
386 - (423) - LIU Nan Nan - 34.50 - 0.00
422 - (418) - CHEN Yan - 28.50 - 0.00
437 - (435) - LI Na - 25.50 - 0.00

Past tournament singles results

. $25K Maglie
SUN Tian Tian : Q2
ZHENG Jie : 2
LIU Nan Nan : 1

Current tournament : $50K Fukuoka - JPN

. Qualifyings
SUN Tian Tian

. Main draw
LIU Nan Nan (TBC)[/list=1]

May 17th, 2002, 11:02 PM
[list=1] Singles Ranking

Current ranking - Last week ranking - Name - Ranking points - Next off

229 - (229) - LI Na - 109.75 - .00
270 - (274) - LIU Nan Nan - 81.25 - .00
285 - (358) - ZHENG Jie - 71.75 - .00
294 - (317) - SUN Tian Tian - 67.50 - .00
320 - (322) - YI Jing Qian - 58.00 - .00
323 - (412) - YAN Zi - 57.25 - .00
336 - (337) - PENG Shuai - 52.50 - .00
541 - (546) - LI Ting - 21.25 - .00
557 - (560) - LIU Jing Jing - 20.00 - .00

Doubles Ranking

Current ranking - Last week ranking - Name - Ranking points - Next off

165 - (178) - ZHENG Jie - 179.50 - .00
165 - (182) - YAN Zi - 179.50 - .00
196 - (196) - SUN Tian Tian - 139.00 - .00
251 - (248) - SHEN Lui Lui - 84.50 - .00
325 - (326) - LI Ting - 48.50 - .00
353 - (386) - LIU Nan Nan - 40.50 - .00
416 - (422) - CHEN Yan - 28.50 - .00
429 - (437) - LI Na - 25.50 - .00

Past tournament singles results

. $50K Fukuoka - JPN
YAN Zi : R2
LIU Nan Nan : R1
SUN Tian Tian : R1

Current tournament : $25K Shanghai - CHN

. Qualifyings

. Main draw
LIU Nan Nan
SUN Tian Tian
PENG Shuai
LIU Jing Jing

Martian KC
May 19th, 2002, 02:05 AM
I'm sure all four of the girls ranking will be rising this upcoming week.;)

May 19th, 2002, 06:48 AM
It takes two weeks to update $25K tourneys ;) . But Tian Tian, Nan Nan and Jie should be around #250 or even better for the winner in Shanghai.

May 26th, 2002, 09:15 PM
China's top 5 are now (with today's new rankings)

Na Li (229)
Jie Zheng (240)
Nan Nan Liu (251)
Tian Tian Sun (262)
Zi Yan (303)

I suspect Na Li is not going to be China's number 1 for much longer.

Jun 8th, 2002, 10:35 PM
Zheng Jie is currently in Vienna (Tier III), playing the qualifyings.

She won her first match quite easily and will play her second match this Sunday.

Jun 10th, 2002, 02:35 AM
Yan Zi is in Vienna too :D and is in the doubles main draw with Zheng Jie.

Jun 10th, 2002, 02:50 AM
Some changes :

. Jie is now #1 Chinese player
. Yan-Ze moves up by nearly 400 places after her good performance in $25K Tianjin.

New singles rankings as at 10.06 are :

01 - 212 - ZHENG, JIE
02 - 229 - LI, NA
03 - 242 - LIU, NAN NAN
04 - 250 - SUN, TIAN TIAN
05 - 294 - YAN, ZI
06 - 326 - YI, JING-QIAN
07 - 329 - PENG, SHUAI
08 - 451 - XIE, YAN-ZE
09 - 491 - LIU, JING-JING
10 - 572 - LI, TING

Jun 10th, 2002, 05:18 AM
Jie won her 2nd round qualifying match conceding only 3 games!
But Chladkova will be tough i am sure.

Jie can really break good in the rankings with the progress she is making! ;)
Lets hope she keeps it up! ;)

Jun 10th, 2002, 06:43 PM
The Fed Cup tie against Russia will take place in Beijing.

The players list will be known by July 10th.

Jun 13th, 2002, 05:07 PM
Jie and Zi are in SF in doubles after beating the #1 seeds (T. Krizan / K. Srebotnik, currently #13 at the Championships team race) in QF on the score of 16 76(3) 61 :D .

Rising Sun
Jun 13th, 2002, 05:36 PM
Congrats to Jie and Zi. :D

5 Chinese players in the Top 300. :eek:
I wonder if this is a National record?

Jun 13th, 2002, 07:39 PM
And hopefully very soon 2 Chinese players in the top 100 in doubles :) .

After this tourney, they should be at least around #126 - #127 (up by 20 ranks).

Jun 19th, 2002, 11:03 PM
The Chinese squad should be back on the courts as from next week in :

Location: EDMOND, OK
Date(s): 6/24/02 - 6/30/02

Extract of the commitments list :

Main Draw
Player Name Rank Type Nationality DOB

So all Chinese players are in the main draw :) (though some should not play a $10K tournament :( , even as a warm-up).

Jun 19th, 2002, 11:04 PM
Ooops :o , I just realised that Nan Nan turned 19 yesterday.

Happy birthday to her :D .

Jun 22nd, 2002, 09:45 AM
I just digged out some old photos of the $25K Hochiminh City 2000 I had been looking for for months now :o .

Photos are not of good quality but can now be considered as historical documents ;) .

Here are 2 photos of Na I have already uploaded :

$25K Hochiminh City 2000 - LI Na (http://photos.wtastarz.com/cgi-bin/index.pl?photo=6054)

$25K Hochiminh City 2000 - LI Na (http://photos.wtastarz.com/cgi-bin/index.pl?photo=6055)


The next one (6056) is of Wynne Prakusya.

Rising Sun
Jun 22nd, 2002, 04:49 PM
Nice pics of Na. It's better having some than having none for sure. :)

BTW, is it just me or is that the same outfit Tian-Tian wore at Tipton this year? ;)

Jun 23rd, 2002, 03:46 AM
Originally posted by danker
BTW, is it just me or is that the same outfit Tian-Tian wore at Tipton this year? ;)

Amazing memory :eek: . I have checked the pics and it is the same (but the photo I have is from Redbridge ;) . I suppose however Tian Tian had the same luggage for both tourneys :p ).

Jun 23rd, 2002, 08:46 AM
This week-end is dedicated to photos of Chinese players :) . I just came accross this photo of DU Rui (most probably shot at the Paris Cadets event that she won last year) :

DU Rui - Paris Cadets (http://photos.wtastarz.com/cgi-bin/index.pl?photo=6086)

Rui will be back this year in Paris to defend her title. Good luck to her :) .

Jun 28th, 2002, 03:28 AM
The Chinese players did not show up at Edmond. Next tentative tournament is the $50K at Los Gatos (starting July 1st).

Jul 8th, 2002, 07:18 PM
From ITF Tennis News - July 8 2002 - Issue #26 :

The ITF has fielded an International 16 & Under team in five ETA tournaments in Italy and France [...]

The team [...] moved on to a tougher second tournament in Milan where highlights of the ITF team results were [...] 15-year old
Shengnan Sun (CHN) reaching the semifinals of the girls singles and the final of the girls doubles with partner and compatriot Rui Du. The 15-year-old Chinese pairing finally went down fighting 76(5) 76(3) to Estefania Cracium and Laura Vallverdu, the Uruguay/Venezuela partnership from the ITF South American team.

Week three, and the first French tournament was held at the seaside location of La Baule. [...] The ITF teams first title was secured when the young Chinese girls, Sun and Du, won the girls doubles after a closely-fought three-setter 62 57 64 against the Spanish pairing of Adriana Gonzalez and Nuria Sanchez[...]

The team travelled to Paris and the magnificent facilities of the Racing Club de France for the final week of tournaments [...] . Highlights of the teams results were another finals appearance for Du, who lost to Alissa Kleybanova (RUS), and a victory to Sun and Du in the girls doubles final over Kleybanova and Anna Maria Zubori (FRA).

Jul 10th, 2002, 01:17 AM
Rui Du looks like a hard-hitter! :eek:

Jul 10th, 2002, 06:50 PM
China v Russia
Venue: Beijing International Tennis Centre, Beijing
Surface: Hard - indoors

Elena Dementieva - Tatiana Panova - Elena Bovina
Captain: Shamil Tarpischev

Zheng Jie - Li Na - Liu Nan Nan - Yan Zi
Captain: Li Qio Yu

Good luck to China :)

King Aaron
Jul 11th, 2002, 11:42 AM
Go China !!!

Jul 11th, 2002, 11:49 AM

Jul 15th, 2002, 06:29 AM
I just got confirmation that LI Na had been injured for some time. She is said to be recovering well (which would indicate she has not fully recovered yet :sad: ).

I hope she will be ready for the Fed Cup event at the end of the week. Because I checked information too late, I won't be able to go (though I would have loved to ;) ).

But if (and that's a big if), the Chinese Tennis Association keeps its promise, I'll be receiving the results as soon as they are available.

The Chinese officials have so far not been very good at sending information, so I don't promise anything as far as results are concerned. Let's just hope that information will circulate quickly enough :rolleyes: .

Jul 21st, 2002, 12:36 PM
The Fed Cup tie turned out to be one sided :

Tatiana Panova (RUS) d Jie Zheng (CHN) 63 61
Elena Dementieva (RUS) d Tian-Tian Sun (CHN) 62 63

Elena Dementieva (RUS) d Jie Zheng (CHN) 64 60
Elena Bovina (RUS) d Na Li (CHN) 60 62

Elena Bovina/Tatiana Panova (RUS) d Zi Yan/Jie Zheng (CHN) 63 76(3)

The match between Elena Dementieva and Sun Tian Tian happened to be tight according to match reports.

Waiting now to get the match reports for day two, and in particular the doubles.

Jul 22nd, 2002, 11:59 AM
China :sad: :sad:

King Aaron
Jul 27th, 2002, 01:21 PM
Do you know anything about the junior Shuai Zhang ??

Jul 30th, 2002, 01:23 AM
Finals :

. YU, Ying (CHN) d. LIU, Jing-Jing (CHN) 6-4 6-4
. HE, Chun-Yan (CHN) / LIU, Wei-Juan (CHN) d. LIU, Jing-Jing (CHN) / YU, Ying (CHN) 3-6,6-2,7-6(4)

Jing-Jing :sad:

Good performance of Du Rui who lost 3-6 4-6 to Jing-Jing in SF

Aug 3rd, 2002, 01:19 AM
DU Rui is in final at $10K Tongliao (Mongolia, China) :) and will be meeting up the #1 seed XIE Yan-Ze (CHN).

LIU Jing-Jing retired in the first round :sad: .

Aug 3rd, 2002, 06:15 PM
Shuai Peng got a WC for the main draw of JPMorgan Chase Open (Los Angeles) and will be playing in the first round against Tina Pisnik :) .

Aug 4th, 2002, 03:39 PM
Not a bad draw for the first round. It is winnable if she plays well.

Aug 5th, 2002, 05:24 PM
XIE Yan-Ze (CHN) d. DU Rui (CHN) 6-3 6-1 :sad: .

Aug 14th, 2002, 03:25 PM
I am looking for the Chinese characters and the meaning in English of the main Chinese players names. With some team work, I am certain we can get most of them.

Here's the list and information I already have :

Chinese characters : ֣
Meaning : Clean

Chinese characters :
Meaning : Sweet Sweet

3 LI, NA
Chinese characters :
Meaning : Elegant
. (Thanks Luke)

Chinese characters :
Meaning : South Cedar

Chinese characters :
Meaning : Purple

Chinese characters :
Meaning :

Chinese characters :
Meaning :

Chinese characters :
Meaning :

Chinese characters :
Meaning : Bright Crystal
. (Thanks Luke)

Chinese characters :
Meaning : Woman with a nice profile

Chinese characters :
Meaning :

Chinese characters :
Meaning :

Chinese characters :
Meaning :

14 DU, RUI
Chinese characters :
Meaning :

Chinese characters :
Meaning :

Chinese characters :
Meaning :

17 YU, DAN
Chinese characters :
Meaning : Ginger
. (Thanks Luke)

Chinese characters :
Meaning :

Chinese characters :
Meaning :

Chinese characters :
Meaning :

Aug 14th, 2002, 03:28 PM
You will need to set the screen encoding to Simplified Chinese characters to be able to see them :).

Aug 18th, 2002, 02:43 PM
All the best to the Chinese players at the US Open, if they show up ;) .

Aug 20th, 2002, 02:10 AM
Zheng Jie is at the US Open. She'll play her first qualifying match on Tuesday against Vanessa Webb (CAN) (court 16 - 3rd match).

Good luck to her :) .

King Aaron
Aug 20th, 2002, 11:20 AM
:D Good luck Jie!!!

King Aaron
Aug 20th, 2002, 11:21 AM
BTW, it's hard to tell you the meaning as they my differ in pronounciation thus it will be hard

Sep 3rd, 2002, 05:30 PM
Peng Shuai won her first round match at the US Open (Girls Singles) :) :

Peng Shuai (CHN)[10] def. Tory Zawacki (USA) 6/4 6/2

King Aaron
Sep 4th, 2002, 01:29 PM
:D Go Shuai!!

Sep 5th, 2002, 01:08 AM
She won her R2 match :) :

Peng Shuai (CHN)[10] def. Lina Stanciute (LTU) 7/6(3) 6/3

King Aaron
Sep 5th, 2002, 11:24 AM
:) Good luck against Kristen!!

Sep 6th, 2002, 04:31 AM
Originally posted by m!ssundaztooD
:) Good luck against Kristen!!

I talk to shaui peng yesterday !!
what a pity a game she lose to Kristen 2-6 (8)6-7

King Aaron
Sep 6th, 2002, 09:30 AM
yeah! :( :( tough lost Shuai

what did you talk to her about eseaboyqoo?

Sep 6th, 2002, 02:49 PM
Originally posted by m!ssundaztooD
yeah! :( :( tough lost Shuai

what did you talk to her about eseaboyqoo?

I chat to peng and su-wei hsieh something meaningless

Sep 6th, 2002, 05:48 PM
Originally posted by eseaboyqoo

I talk to shaui peng yesterday !!This is great :) .

If you talk again to her I would be curious to know :

- how her present contract with S.M.C. is going
- what her next tourneys this year will be (besides Shanghai of course ;) ).

King Aaron
Sep 7th, 2002, 10:11 AM
:) :)

Sep 7th, 2002, 01:51 PM
Originally posted by Steveg
This is great :) .

If you talk again to her I would be curious to know :

- how her present contract with S.M.C. is going
- what her next tourneys this year will be (besides Shanghai of course ;) ).

PENG went to her school in U.S.A
I don't know when i will chat to her...

King Aaron
Sep 8th, 2002, 10:15 AM
:) :) Peng :D hope she improves her English.. according to an article her coach said once they get through the language barrier Peng will get much better

Sep 12th, 2002, 01:16 PM
Zheng Jie lost against Anna K at Shanghai (R2) on the score of 6-4 7-6i2j :sad: .

Photo of Jie during her post match interview :


King Aaron
Sep 13th, 2002, 11:05 AM
Jie looks cute :D

Rising Sun
Jan 5th, 2003, 02:46 PM
Here is the initial schedule so far for the Chinese players in 2003 (Subject to alteration):

Peng Shuai
13 Jan - 19 Jan : $10K Boca Raton, USA
20 Jan - 26 Jan : $10K Miami, USA

Zheng Jie & Yan Zi
20 Jan - 26 Jan : $50K Fullerton, USA

Sun Tian-Tian & Li Ting
20 Jan - 26 Jan : $10K Miami, USA

Liu Nan-Nan & Xie Yan-Ze
20 Jan - 26 Jan : $10K Grenoble, FRA
27 Jan - 02 Feb : $25K Belfort, FRA
03 Feb - 09 Feb : $10K Vale do Lobo, POR
10 Feb - 16 Feb : $10K Montechoro, POR
17 Feb - 23 Feb : $25K Redbridge, GBR
24 Feb - 02 Mar : $25K Ostrava, CZE



* Zheng Jie will be playing Aus Open qualies as well, and possibly Sun Tian-Tian.
* All players are travelling in pairs, except for Peng Shuai who is under different management.
* Sun Tian-Tian is sacrificing the $50K for the $10K in Miami so she can be with Li Ting, but will probably join Zheng Jie & Yan Zi in the following $25K & $75K American tourneys.
* Zheng Jie is also entered for the WTA Tourney in India which is on the same week as $75K Midland, but it's likely she'll withdraw.
* No sign of Li Na nor Liu Jing-Jing. :sad:

Jan 5th, 2003, 05:13 PM
Thanks for the update Luke.

With Li Na suffering from health problems and settling in, I have the feeling she will step down on tennis.

As for Jing-Jing, I hope she will appear soon. She has some potential and just needs to play loads of matches.

Rising Sun
Jan 8th, 2003, 04:47 PM
Jie will be playing Svetlana Krivencheva (BUL) in the 1st rd of qualies. A very winnable match I feel... :)

Jan 9th, 2003, 06:22 AM
... that she did not win.

Svetlana Krivencheva (BUL) def. Jie Zheng (CHN) 6/3 7/6(5) :sad:

Jan 9th, 2003, 11:53 AM
Jie :sad: :sad:

Rising Sun
Jan 9th, 2003, 05:01 PM
Jie committed 69 unforced errors in only 2 sets! :eek:
Very disappointing, I'm sure she would have done better if she kept them down... :(

Rising Sun
Jan 9th, 2003, 05:35 PM
Here is the updated schedule for Chinese players:

Peng Shuai
20 Jan - 26 Jan : $10K Miami, USA
27 Jan - 02 Feb : $25K Rockford, USA

Zheng Jie & Yan Zi
No tournaments entered as yet

Sun Tian-Tian & Li Ting
No tournaments entered as yet

Liu Nan-Nan & Xie Yan-Ze
20 Jan - 26 Jan : $10K Grenoble, FRA
27 Jan - 02 Feb : $25K Belfort, FRA
03 Feb - 09 Feb : $10K Vale do Lobo, POR
10 Feb - 16 Feb : $10K Montechoro, POR
17 Feb - 23 Feb : $25K Redbridge, GBR
24 Feb - 02 Mar : $25K Ostrava, CZE


* Peng Shuai has withdrawn from $10K Boca Raton next week.
* Zheng, Yan, Sun & Li withdrew from all American tourneys.

Jan 13th, 2003, 03:52 PM
Thanks for the hint Luke ;) .

Two Chinese are in the doubles main draw thanks to a WC :D .

R1 :Tian Tian Sun CHN / Ting Li CHN vs. Andreea Vanc ROM / Anousjka Van Exel NED

Li Ting past performances in Grand Slam:

2000 : R2 at US Open
2001 : R1 at Oz Open

Sun Tian Tian past performances in Grand Slam:


Go girls :D .

Jan 14th, 2003, 10:04 PM
I found this old article about the Li's :Stars put China on tennis high (06/26/2000)

They come out without million-dollar ads attached to their outfits or fanatic fans following them everywhere for a snapshot with them or an autograph, as tennis, and its stars, increases in popularity in China.

Although tennis is still not as popular as ping-pong or badminton in China, the fast-improving Chinese tennis players are proving that they are no longer outsiders in the tennis world having showed their athletic prowess in a string of impressive international performances recently.

The talented group is headed by young women's doubles pair Li Na and Li Ting and another two women's singles players Yi Jingqian and Li Fang who is fighting for a direct Sydney Olympics ticket.

The 20-year-old Li Ting and Li Na, 18, who started playing tennis when they were children, teamed-up together last year. They attained their best career time last week in Uzbekistan when they conquered Uzbek-Ukrainian pair Iroda Tulyganova and Anna Zaporozhanova 3-6, 6-2, 6-4 to claim the women's doubles title at the WTA tour Tashkent Open.

Before that, they had taken several titles in some relatively lower-prized tournaments in the first half of the year which allowed them to climb up the world rankings.

They jumped into the top 100 from being in the 600 at the end of last year in the women's doubles, according to last Monday's standings.

Instead of honing their potential, the Chinese Tennis Association (CTA), national tennis ruling body, in other words, the manager of Chinese players, is not in a hurry to push them into the professional circle.

"Their recent main task is to qualify for Sydney Olympics," said Zhang Xiaoning, secretary-general of the CTA.

The world's top 24 pairs on July 10 rankings will qualify for the Olympics and one month later the International Tennis Association will pick up another eight to offer wildcards.

But many pros are very likely to miss the games as usual for lesser prize money. That may benefit the Chinese pair for a direct ticket for Olympics.

"If they can enter within about 70th in the world, they would be possible to be qualified directly. If they lose the chance, it will be hard to predict who will get the wildcards," Zhang said.

The two Lis will play anther three tournaments in Rome before the deadline and will decide their destiny.

Chinese best performance on a tennis during the Olympics was in Atlanta four years ago when Yi and Chen Li entered the second round thanks to walkover of their rivals.

Differentiated from the two Lis, Yi and Li Fang are among the Chinese frontiers to play professionals in the light of some CTA reforms following western approach.

Yi, 25, established her fame as early as 1993 when she was crowned champions in the World Universiad in singles and doubles, teamed with Chen Li.

She was a semi-finalist of last week's Tashkent Open, stopped by Italian Trancesca Schuavone 6-2, 7-6 (7/3). She is now No 75 in the world on last week's standing, skipping from 121st during the Australian Open in January.

She also has a rather good Grand Slam record.

In 1996 French Open, she beat US Olympic champion Jennifer Capriati to reach the second round.

In the 2000 Australian Open, she was only one step from a fourth round appearance when she was eliminated by the coming-back Capriati 6-4, 6-4.

Li Fang, 27, once ranked as high as 37th in the world rankings but dropped to 115th due to knee surgeries.

"But the sport in the nation is still pretty backward. If we want to improve, we have to go to the world," said Zhang who plans to hire more foreign coaches for Chinese players.

"They need more international experiences," he added.

(China Daily by Yu Yilei)

I added the bold characters. Talk talk talk but they take time to send their players to the world :rolleyes: . It will be hopefully this year :D .

Jan 14th, 2003, 10:10 PM
Chinese Women's Tennis Eyes Olympic Honor in 2008 Games


GUANGZHOU, November 20 (Xinhuanet) -- The Chinese Tennis Association (CTA) has worked out a program in a bid to win one gold at the 2008 Olympics in Beijing, a CTA official said here on Tuesday.

While attending the ninth national games here, CTA vice-president Jiang Xiuyun told Xinhua that under the program titled "Olympic Glory", women's doubles will take the leading role. Although Chinese tennis still lags far behind the world, it is most likely that China would make a breakthrough in the event at the Beijing Games.

"According to the world rankings, doubles event is where Asian players could do better," said Jiang. "And in China, women's tennis has fared better than men's section."

Her remarks were underlined by the women's performance at the national games here, where some young talents have closed in on the world elite in some technical respects.

Li Na, who was crowned in women's singles event on Tuesday, hadblasted his first serve with an average speed of 148 kilometers per hour.

"In other respects such as quality of service and combination of tactics, such young women's players have come of age," Jiang said.

As a matter of fact, the CTA has given top priority to the women's players since late 1998, putting its top players to the test of the WTA tour.

Such veterans as Li Fang and Yi Jingqian have taken the trail-blazing role in putting the Chinese tennis on the world map, with Yi going furthest by ranking herself among the world's top 100 last year.

And emerging are a new generation of talented players, led by Li Na, a 19-year-old who bagged three golds at the 21st World Universaide last August in Beijing.

"In recent years the Chinese women's tennis has made fast progress," said Jiang. "They have come of age by playing much more international competitions."

While giving players more international exposure, the Chinese tennis will also open the door to the expertise of foreign coaches.

The CTA had decided to pass the helm of the national women's quad to a foreign coach, Jiang added.
(Xinhua)I am certain that Li Ting and Sun Tian Tian are being tested at the Oz Open in preparation for the 2008 doubles Olympic Games in Beijing :eek: . This is what I call long term plans :eek: :eek: :eek: .

Jan 15th, 2003, 03:41 AM
Andreea Vanc (ROM) / Anousjka Van Exel (NED) def. Tian Tian Sun (CHN) / Ting Li (CHN) 6/7(1) 6/4 6/4 :sad:

I could not even follow the entire match on internet as I fell asleep. Ting seemed however to have difficulties holding on her serve :confused: .

Tight match anyway :sad: . It took 2h32 :eek: .

The number of DF increased in the last set for Tian Tian / Ting : 7 during the whole match including 4 in the last set. Their number of UE increased too : 16 for the match incl 6 in the 3rd set. I am afraid their tired up or they tensed up :sad: .

I hope Henry could cheer for them since their match lasted longer than Janet and Wynne's ;) .

Jan 15th, 2003, 03:51 AM

Jan 15th, 2003, 10:54 AM
Originally posted by Steveg
Andreea Vanc (ROM) / Anousjka Van Exel (NED) def. Tian Tian Sun (CHN) / Ting Li (CHN) 6/7(1) 6/4 6/4 :sad:

I could not even follow the entire match on internet as I fell asleep. Ting seemed however to have difficulties holding on her serve :confused: .

Tight match anyway :sad: . It took 2h32 :eek: .

The number of DF increased in the last set for Tian Tian / Ting : 7 during the whole match including 4 in the last set. Their number of UE increased too : 16 for the match incl 6 in the 3rd set. I am afraid their tired up or they tensed up :sad: .

I hope Henry could cheer for them since their match lasted longer than Janet and Wynne's ;) .

I did cheer them Steve, even though just for the last 6 games of final set :o I sent you the PM already and I asked all your questions :) Both of them are very friendly as you told me, and I agree that Sun is a much better player than Li.

But Li has a good volley though. Both of them hit the ball quite hard, but not enough spin, just a flat ball.

It's really a close match, and they just lost because of missing a few shots during the important points.

Jan 15th, 2003, 12:26 PM
Thanks for everything Henry :D .

Jan 17th, 2003, 01:17 PM
The Victorian Government will be contributing $1 million of funding over the next five years to help badge the Australian Open as the Grand Slam of Asia/Pacific.


Chief Executive of the Australian Open, Paul McNamee, [...] said the message the Australian Open was sending out was more important than the money going into the marketing campaign. "We at the end of the day want the Australian Open to be the home Grand Slam for Asia, not just for the Aussies," said McNamee. "We want young Asian players to dream about one day coming - maybe not winning the Australian Open in the short term - but certainly to playing in the Australian Open, as the Chinese girls who came here this time, hoping to play, got a game in the Australian Open." I believe he is referring to Tian Tian / Ting (who were so close to win their R1 doubles match :sad: ) rather than to Zheng Jie who was entitled to play solely based on her WTA ranking.

Rising Sun
Jan 17th, 2003, 03:54 PM
Yes, he's definitely referring to Ting and Tian-Tian. ;)

It was a good opportunity of them, and would have made a better story if they had won their first match. :sad:

Jan 22nd, 2003, 09:48 AM
Various news :

Du Rui is in R3 at the Oz Open Junior :) .

Xie Yan-Ze has won her R1 match at the $10K Grenoble tourney, beating the #2 seed 6/4 7/5

Jan 22nd, 2003, 03:37 PM
Does anyone know anything about Du Rui? She's a name I didn't recognise, and the profiles on the official Australian Open website are useless. Not even a photo.

Jan 22nd, 2003, 04:55 PM
There's a photo of her I posted in the photos thread.

For her profile, I suppose her Junior results are available in the ITF Junior website with a short presentation and her ITF results are available on Lars Jensen's website.

Jan 22nd, 2003, 11:55 PM
Thanks, I presume you mean the one of her from the Paris Cadets tournament, in your gallery? It's interesting that this month is the first time she's played outside Asia, with these 3 Australian tournaments.

Jan 24th, 2003, 11:56 AM
Nan Nan lost in R1 at Grenoble :sad: . 06 36 :sad: :sad: .
Yan-Ze is still in for the QF.

No doubles results available :confused: .

Jan 29th, 2003, 06:24 AM
Tell me more about Peng Shuai.

The local sports station is showing the annual HK exhibition
Watson's Water Open, and Monica vs Peng is the first match
on tv.

I see tons of potential in Peng. She clubs the ball reallly
really hard. The serve needs work; but there's tons of
talent there. Peng reminds me of a Chinese Lucic.
16 years old? . There's still time to get a better coach

Jan 30th, 2003, 12:47 PM
No news of Zheng Jie since the Oz Open :confused: . I wonder what is happening to her?

Zheng Jie, are you here :wavey: ;) ?

Rising Sun
Jan 30th, 2003, 02:27 PM
Greenout, Peng Shuai just turned 17 this month. She trains at the Evert Academy in Boca Raton. She was supposed to play some US Challenger events lately, but withdrew from all of them. She could be ranked much higher by playing more tournaments, IMO. :rolleyes:

Speaking of Zheng Jie, she's committed to the $25K Challenger in Columbus, Ohio starting on 17 Feb, along with Yan Zi, Sun Tian-Tian & Li Ting. In fact, I wonder if they might be playing the Indian Open... :confused:

Jan 30th, 2003, 03:04 PM
Thanks for the lead Luke. I just had a look at the commitments list. And saw that Chin-Bee is there as well in the alternates list (#22). I hope Chi-Bee can make it in the qualifyings :) . Last year cut-off for the qualies was 745.

Still no news of Jing-Jing :sad: .

Jan 30th, 2003, 03:31 PM
Shuai Peng was committed in Rockford but her ranking was too low for her to be admitted in the qualies :( .

Rising Sun
Jan 30th, 2003, 04:33 PM
Stephane, I checked up on that and she indeed withdrew. There were players in the qualifying draw that were lower than her in the acceptance list. :(

Jan 30th, 2003, 04:44 PM
Strange as I thought I had seen a cut-off for the qualies around #400 :confused: .

Must be time for me to get some holidays ;) . Lunar New Year is coming :D .

Jan 31st, 2003, 09:58 PM
Lunar new is has come and Zheng Jie, Sun Tian-Tian, Yan Zi and Li Ting are in India for the WTA event :) .

Still no news of Liu Jing-Jing :sad: . I hope she will not be restricted this year to Chinese ITFs only. She has a good potential and just needs to play more matches :) .

Feb 1st, 2003, 09:06 AM
I wonder if the Chinese players know this website and browse sometimes this thread :confused: . If it is the case, they could at least give us some news, because it's so hard to get any :( .

Feb 1st, 2003, 04:57 PM
All the Chinese players won their Q1 match in India :) (even Li Ting ;) ) . Yan Zi lost the first set but I suppose she was extremely tense. I hope she'll relax in the coming rounds because I feel she can qualify for the main draw. I won't comment Q3 possible match because I don't want to jinx her :o .

Zheng Jie and Sun Tian Tian have their chances too :D .

Feb 2nd, 2003, 02:40 PM
3 out of 4 are in the final round of qualifyings :D .

Zheng Jie vs. Olga Kalyuzhnaya
It will be a tough match for Jie. Olga hits very hard. The good point is that she hits flats, which should suit Jie. I am just a bit worried about Olga returns on Jie's second serves. I feel that Jie will have to slow down a bit her first serve and increase her %.

I hope she won't try to get winners on her first serve and decrease her % of 1st serves in :( .

I think that Jie can make it in 3 sets. Jie should however not try to overpower Olga (Mi-Ra did not succeed in Pattaya last year...). Maybe either draw her to the net or go herself there :) .

Sun Tian-Tian vs. Yulia Beygelzimer
I don't recall seeing Yulia, so I can't comment. But I have seen Tian-Tian and she pull this off :) .

I hope Tian-Tian will win in 2 :D .

Yan Zi vs. Maria Kirilenko
Both players have the same kind of game and physically identical too (quite thin). But I feel that Zi has a better footwork than Maria. Which should be very important tomorrow as balls will go very fast.

The advantage of Maria could be that she is strong mentally and she can hit nasty shots in difficult positions.

If Zi can keep her concentration and finish off at the net whenever she has well built the point, she should be able to get that one :D .

Anyone would have some ideas to share about these matches :) ?

Feb 2nd, 2003, 03:36 PM
I am very upset with Monday Schedule of play :fiery: .

Zi will have a tough Q3 match, and a doubles first round match to play shortly after.

The organiser could have planned Zi to play singles match as first match on court three and doubles match as last match on court four :( .

I don't appreciate this WTA supervisor :rolleyes: .

Rising Sun
Feb 2nd, 2003, 05:20 PM
I had not seen these comments earlier. :o

I'd love to contribute, but I haven't seen any of these players play. :sad:

All I have to say is congrats on getting this far, and best wishes for tomorrow's matches. :cool:

Feb 2nd, 2003, 07:52 PM
I just had a look at Grenoble qualifying draw on the ETA website (http://www.etatennis.com/womenresults/Results%202003/grenoble-sq.pdf) and noticed there was a 3rd Chinese players at this tourney :confused: :

(unr) XIONG, Dan

Feb 3rd, 2003, 07:26 AM
Hello Jiro :wavey: .

Glad to see you drop by here these days ;) .

Feb 3rd, 2003, 05:05 PM
Nan Nan lost at Belfort in QF against HEJDOVA, Zuzana (CZE) 46 67 (8). Good to see that at least she fought until the last point :) . She seems much more motivated these days.

In doubles Nan Nan and Yan Ze reached the final and lost 36 36

All courtesy of Alain ;) .

Looking forward to their performances in their next tourney :D .

Rising Sun
Feb 3rd, 2003, 05:21 PM
This week's going to be a $10K event in Portugal. :cool:

I'll be disappointed either one of them makes the final at least. ;)

Hopefully, they won't be in the same halves of the draw. :)

Feb 3rd, 2003, 05:25 PM
I forgot to check what their halves would be but I think they are both seeded based on latest entry list into that tourney.

Feb 3rd, 2003, 05:29 PM
Based on the latest entry list available on the ETA website, Nan-Nan is seeded #1 and Yan-Ze #5.

If it remains like this, they should be in different halves.

Feb 3rd, 2003, 05:42 PM
Here's a pic of the tennis facilities in Portugal :


The courts seem to be a bit old :( .

Feb 4th, 2003, 03:24 PM
At last a main draw victory in a WTA event for a Chinese player :) (against a non-Chinese player ;) ) with Tian-Tian in India :D .

And Jie was very close to it :) . I am certain that she'll win in WTA events very soon... if she is given the opportunity to play more of them :rolleyes: .

Rising Sun
Feb 4th, 2003, 06:09 PM
I forgot to answer this earlier. :o

Xiong Dan is based in Europe, I think.

She only played in European events last year.

Feb 5th, 2003, 01:34 AM
Feb 04

[...]Jie Zheng broke away to a 3-0 lead against Mary Pierce. That was how far the former got in the opening set, as the big-built French woman turned on the heat. In the second, Zheng was hardly overawed by her opponent, as she matched her forehand in firepower, even excelling her in variation. Sensing that she didn't tand too much of a chance, Pierce let things drift, as the Chinese qualifier pegged away relentlessly.

In the decider, Pierce pumped up the pace, keeping the exchanges short and smacking the ball hard. Pierce kept a distance right from the start, off to a 3-0 lead, thanks largely to the overheads that sailed over the smaller built Zheng. Not one to give up easily, Zheng wrested the game on Pierce's serve in the seventh. Pierce paid back in kind, in the very next game.

A devastating down the line return spelt doom for Zheng, as Pierce wrapped up the ninth game on love and thereby the match.

Feb 5th, 2003, 08:03 AM
You know what, I have no proof of this but I am under the impression that Zheng Jie is frequently browsing this WTAWorld message board.

Feb 5th, 2003, 08:13 AM
Originally posted by Steveg
You know what, I have no proof of this but I am under the impression that Zheng Jie is frequently browsing this WTAWorld message board.

:eek: :eek: Really Steve?? How could you think that??? If that's the case, it's really fantastic, and hopefully she will respond to our message someday :)

Nice fought from Jie against Mary... She may have just lack of experience in that match. A really good result from Tian-Tian indeed :) Hopefully she can win against Silvija, and revenge for Wynne :o

Feb 5th, 2003, 08:17 AM
And browsing this thread at the very moment. More details to follow later ;) .

Feb 5th, 2003, 08:20 AM
yeah, I figured out another member called zheng is browing the asian thread at this time, but, you know a lot of chinese player has "zheng" as their surname, so not necessarily Jie, unless of course you have other prove, and I'd love to know that :)

Feb 5th, 2003, 08:59 AM
I notice that you are not the only one curious Henry ;) .

The details of this poster are available here :

zheng (http://www.wtaworld.com/member.php?s=&action=getinfo&userid=15075)

The reason why I post these details here is that they are not available through the members list. Don't ask me why, I have no idea. And the admins could not come up with a reply to it.

The email address provided is a fake one. Which brings another question : how could this member activate his / her membership without receiving the password through a proper email address :confused: . No answer on that.

Hypothesis : the member signed in with a genuine email address and changed it afterwards in the User's CP. A bit far fetched but I do not see any other possibility.

Now, why do I believe this poster could be Zheng Jie :

1) I noticed this poster glued in the Indian Open forum a while ago.

2) Other centres of interest have been :
- Chinese players thread
- Grenoble / Belfort tournaments

From this you can not induce that it is Zheng Jie. I agree with you.

Other points :

3) Today connections were even more interesting than usual :

- Indian Open : Wednesday Live Scores
- Zheng Jie vs Mary Pierce match report
- 2002 Beijing $25K (after doing a search)
- Chinese tennis
- Asian Games (after doing a search)
- Chinese Tennis

I agree that this is also far fetched but why would someone look very particularly for 2002 Beijing ITF? All the links mentioned above are strongly related to Zheng Jie.

4) This member seems to connect these days just a while after Jie has completed her matches in India or a couple of hours before(except today where she does not play). But never ever at the same time. Surprising timing :rolleyes: .

Sorry for this zheng if I am being over curious and I am wrong but since Aaron posted that Chi-Bee was maybe connecting to this web board... everything is possible.

An outing would clarify every possible misunderstanding :) .

PS : I sometimes feel I should open a private investigation agency ;)

Feb 5th, 2003, 11:51 AM
OMG :eek: You're really a detective :) I checked that member profile as well, and it says 0 post :eek: :eek: So I start to think this may be Jie :D Well, if she is really Zheng Jie, she will be very happy knowing that we all support her :D. Good luck :D

Note: we all will be happy if Jie can post just one message for all of us :D

Feb 5th, 2003, 12:12 PM
Yeah, and if she can also let Tian-Tian and Zi know that we are supporting them too, if it is she ;) .

Feb 5th, 2003, 01:04 PM
Tian-Tian - Silvija : 2-6 2-6

At least it was a good experience against a former top 20 player :) . The good point is that Tian Tian never let the match until the last moment :) .

What is certainly need is more experience against such type of players :) .

Good luck for the coming tourneys ($25K in Columbus ?) :) .

Feb 5th, 2003, 02:38 PM
It's weird to see suddenly zheng and chinbee registered recently :confused: ;). I hope if they really are the players, they can post then they may get more support like Jo Mo did get in this board :) .

and maybe we can ask Grace to tell Su-Wei posting here? ;)

BTW, how do you find out members' exactly connections, Steveg? :confused:

Feb 5th, 2003, 02:47 PM
Originally posted by lin
It's weird to see suddenly zheng and chinbee registered recently :confused: ;). I hope if they really are the players, they can post then they may get more support like Jo Mo did get in this board :) .

and maybe we can ask Grace to tell Su-Wei posting here? ;)

BTW, how do you find out members' exactly connections, Steveg? :confused: The "zhen" registered in Jan 22nd. It was during Oz Open if I am not wrong :confused: .

The "chinbee" registered Feb 04th.

I think they'll post (if it is they) when they will feel comfortable :) .

I would be great to have Su-Wei post here. I am not certain she wants to though, and seems to prefer to give news via third persons. It's alright with me if she is more comfortable this way :) .

As for finding out members' connections, it requires some Private Eye job :angel: .

Feb 5th, 2003, 02:54 PM
Originally posted by Steveg
As for finding out members' connections, it requires some Private Eye job :angel: .

I can imagine that :angel:, I wonder is it good to find out other mambers' privacy :p .

Feb 5th, 2003, 02:58 PM
Originally posted by lin
I can imagine that :angel:, I wonder is it good to find out other mambers' privacy :p . Check you PMs lin and you'll know ;) . What is public is not private :angel: .

Feb 5th, 2003, 03:03 PM
ok well I got it, interesting ;)

Feb 5th, 2003, 03:05 PM
I see you are also very curious lin :angel: :p .

Feb 5th, 2003, 03:42 PM
Tian-Tian / Ting won their doubles R1 match 62 63 :D .

I will not know the result of their opponents' match but for the time being Wynne / Angie are leading against Tammy / Trudy.

If indeed Tian Tian / Ting play against Angie / Wynne, they have their chances.

I saw all of Wynne matches in Pattaya two years ago. And saw how their opponents drove her mad :) .

When Wynne was at the net, they would go systematically for a very high lob if Wynne was not close to the net. If she was close to the net, they would go for a topspin lob.

Wynne was so mad with this strategy.

I expect Wynne to take the right side of the court in returns. Then players used to serve on her backhand obviously, as much as possible. If Wynne would stand a bit too much on the left to return, they would hit a fast serve in Wynne's far right corner on her forehand.

It is certain that Wynne met Iroda in final two years ago, and Wynne could not match Iroda forehand. But still if Wynne is at the back of the court, it should be manageable for Tian-Tian / Ting.

The question is if Tian-Tian / Ting will be able to take advantage of Wynne's relatively weak second serve. They will have to go for whackers on these weak serves. And put pressure on Wynne.

I don't recall seeing Angie play, so I would not be able to give any advice in this field :confused: .

Feb 5th, 2003, 03:51 PM
And I hope that Tian-Tian / Ting won't forget the basic rule in return of serve in a doubles match : hit a return down the line in the first game when they return. To fix their opponents and teach them to watch the sides :) .

Rising Sun
Feb 5th, 2003, 04:16 PM
Congrats to Tian-Tian/Ting. :D

Feb 5th, 2003, 04:32 PM
Nan-Nan is just outside the top 300 this week :sad: . I hope good results in ITF will come up quickly so that she has a ranking more in line with her talent :) .

Her QF in Belfort last week should make up for the 9 points she has to defend this week.

273 LI, NA
305 YAN, ZI
472 YU, YING

Feb 6th, 2003, 12:08 PM
maybe it's too complicated to Su-wei to get on this board,she doesn't internet cable in her room. :confused:

I will teach her, if we meet.

Feb 6th, 2003, 01:25 PM
I think she can go to Internet cafe to join this board :confused: ;) .

I think many people want to see her posting here, and she did post in her yahoo message board :) .

btw, good luck to China tennis to get into this thread ;) .

Feb 6th, 2003, 02:36 PM
First, good luck to Tian-Tian and Li Ting in their 2nd round doubles match in Hyderabad ;) .

Rising Sun
Feb 6th, 2003, 03:00 PM
I wonder why Nan-Nan & Yan-Ze aren't playing at Portugal like they were supposed to this week? :confused:

I really hope they haven't cancelled the rest of their tour... :(

Feb 6th, 2003, 03:31 PM
What a bad news :sad: . Nan-Nan did well in Belfort, and both had a good run in doubles :) .

I just hope the CTA believes that both are warm enough to play the next $25K and just skip a $10K. Even if a few additional matches would have been not too bad.

Maybe both are a bit tired and taking some rest before the next ITF in Europe :confused: . Can't wait until next week to know.

Rising Sun
Feb 6th, 2003, 03:55 PM
It would have been smarter to play this week, then skip the next week as that one is a $10K in Portugal as well... :rolleyes:

Another bad decision by the CTA... :rolleyes:

Hope they will play the following week. :)

Feb 6th, 2003, 04:58 PM
I forgot the next one was a $10K :o . No apparent reason then :confused: . Strange :confused: . Should not be an issue to go from Belfort to Portugal :confused: .

On another note Tian-Tian / Ting won their R2 match in Hyderabad and are now in SF. Their doubles ranking will sky-rocket now. A pity I won't be able to follow-up their next match live :( .

Good luck to them :D .

Feb 7th, 2003, 10:03 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by lin
[B]I think she can go to Internet cafe to join this board :confused: ;) .

she asked if you can help her to translate into English, she wants to post here.

Feb 7th, 2003, 10:10 AM
That's great news :) . I hope Chinese players will be posting here too :wavey: . Su-Wei can post here directly in Chinese traditional characters and someone will translate :) .

Feb 7th, 2003, 10:16 AM
Originally posted by gracelay
[QUOTE]Originally posted by lin
[B]I think she can go to Internet cafe to join this board :confused: ;) .

she asked if you can help her to translate into English, she wants to post here.

It's ok for me to help her translating, but I won't stay in Taiwan for longer, so there is a problem...

Feb 7th, 2003, 10:18 AM
Originally posted by Steveg
That's great news :) . I hope Chinese players will be posting here too :wavey: . Su-Wei can post here directly in Chinese traditional characters and someone will translate :) .

yes, especially for the mystery one ;) .

Su-Wei posting in traditional Chinese is a good idea too :) .

Feb 8th, 2003, 07:12 AM
Li Ting / Sun Tian Tian lost their SF on the score of 4-6, 7-6 (7), 6-7 (3). That's sad that they lost, but the score is extremely tight.

I am certain these excellent results will have boosted their confidence :) . I expect more from them next time :D .

Feb 10th, 2003, 06:11 PM
Good to see the players in Doha this week :) .

Zi lost in the qualies :sad: . But qualified with Jie in doubles for the main draw.

Waiting for Tian-Tian and Jie results in Q3 :confused: .

On another note, it is nearly ascertained that the mysterious 'zheng' poster is none else than ZHENG JIE. However, she provided a fake email address when registering to WTAworld.com and can therefore not activate her membership :( .

She can't therefore post anything, unless she contacts the admins through the admins email and provides a proper email address and other details.

Feb 10th, 2003, 06:12 PM
I still wonder where Nan-Nan and Yan-Ze are at the moment :confused: .

Feb 10th, 2003, 06:20 PM
Tian-Tian and Jie qualified for Doha main draw :D .

Jie is playing against KRASNOROUTSKAYA Lina and Tian-Tian against PRATT Nicole.

That's good news to see that they are doing so well, but it certainly means they won't come back in Vietnam this year for the ITF :sad: .

Rising Sun
Feb 11th, 2003, 07:07 AM
I've calculated the rankings for Jie & Tian-Tian based on this week so far. Jie should get up to about 170, & Tian-Tian up to about 200. Both career highs. Zi will only go up about a couple of places though. :(

Although I shouldn't have done this, I also calculated what their rankings will be if they win their 1st rd matches. :o
Jie will be in the Top 160, while Tian-Tian will be around 180. ;)

Good luck in their 1st rd matches. :D

Feb 11th, 2003, 07:32 AM
Good to see chinese players start to do well in the tour :D

Good luck to both Jie and Sun in the main draw Doha :D

Feb 11th, 2003, 09:00 AM
Originally posted by danker
Although I shouldn't have done this, I also calculated what their rankings will be if they win their 1st rd matches. :o
Jie will be in the Top 160, while Tian-Tian will be around 180. ;)

Good luck in their 1st rd matches. :D I hope it won't jinx them :o .

Rising Sun
Feb 11th, 2003, 03:00 PM
It won't.
All outcomes today will be purely based on the tennis played only. :) ;)

Feb 11th, 2003, 06:50 PM
Jie lost to Krasnoroutskaya 36 26
Tian-Tian lost to Pratt 36 62 36

Close match for Tian-Tian :) . I knew it was within reach. It will be for next time :) .

Feb 11th, 2003, 07:02 PM
From WTATour.com website :

(Qatar Total FinaElf Open - Doha)
Jie Zheng, Tian Tian Sun and Zi Yan are interviewed by the Chinese News Agency

My eyes may be wrong but it is (from left to right) : Tian-Tian, Jie and Zi.

They are world star now. Though I don't like this smiley : :worship:

Feb 11th, 2003, 08:59 PM
(4) Svetlana Kuznetsova/Martina Navratilova (RUS/USA) d. (Q) Z. Yan/Jie Zheng (CHN/CHN) 75 57 64

Tight score again. Zi and Jie must have been thrilled to play against such a tennis legend as Martina Navratilova :D .

How lucky they have been (even if they lost ;) ) .

Feb 12th, 2003, 10:09 AM
Zi Yan is pretty :D

That a really close match against such a good pair as Sveta/Martina... Well done Zi, Jie :D

Rising Sun
Feb 13th, 2003, 02:30 PM
Well done to Jie & Zi for really giving it to them. ;)

I'm sure they didn't expect such a tough match. :p

Good luck to the Chinese in Columbus next week. :D

Feb 16th, 2003, 04:03 PM
Q OZEGOVIC, Nika (CRO) d. 1 LIU, Nan Nan (CHN) 6-1,6-0
Q HIRSCHAUER, Tanja (GER) d. 3 XIE, Yan-Ze (CHN) 6-0,6-1

OZEGOVIC is around #610.
HIRSCHAUER is around #650.

No doubt Nan-Nan and Yan-Ze tanked their single matches :mad: . They did not even bother to sign-in for doubles :rolleyes: .

I wonder if they are going back to China or if they were in a hurry to go to Redbridge :confused: .

If it is confirmed Yan-Ze could not make in the qualies, they may turn back to China :mad: .

Rising Sun
Feb 16th, 2003, 05:07 PM
Redbridge qualies don't even start until Monday. They could have at least tried to win a couple of matches at least. :rolleyes: :mad:

Feb 16th, 2003, 05:14 PM
Which is why I am afraid they were in some kind of hurry to head back to China :( .

Unless they had some other problems with their air tickets to UK :rolleyes: .

Never know what can happen in players ITF schedules :rolleyes: .

Feb 16th, 2003, 11:40 PM
Both Nan-Nan and Yan-Ze are in Redbridge qualies :) . I hope they won't tank their matches :rolleyes: .

Feb 17th, 2003, 11:45 AM
1 170 ZHENG, JIE 193.25
2 200 SUN, TIAN TIAN 154.25
3 289 YAN, ZI 70.50
4 315 LIU, NANNAN 59.50
5 368 XIE, YAN-ZE 48.50
6 370 SHUAI, PENG 48.25
7 468 YU, YING 27.75
8 546 LIU, WEI-JUAN 19.50
9 586 LIU, JING-JING 17.50
10 677 DONG, YANHUA 13.25

Tian-Tian is now in the top #200 :) .

Jing-Jing : what a waste the CTA does not let her go for the time being on the international tour :sad: .

Rising Sun
Feb 17th, 2003, 02:16 PM
Even more so for Yu Ying, who still has yet to play a single match outside China... :sad:

Feb 17th, 2003, 02:32 PM
Originally posted by danker
Even more so for Yu Ying, who still has yet to play a single match outside China... :sad: Yes indeed, but I have never met her, so I can't feel as sad for her ;) .

Feb 18th, 2003, 12:09 AM
369 STEINBACH Lydia GER d. 304 LIU Nannan CHN 63 63
298 DELL'ANGELO Laura ITA d. 366 XIE Yan-ze CHN 64 62

What a disappointing loss for Nan-Nan :sad: .