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mk27
Jul 10th, 2011, 12:52 PM
Her draw section

Goerges - Pous Tio
Barrois - Tsurenko
Kudryavtseva -Q
Cornet - Pervak

18majors
Jul 10th, 2011, 01:21 PM
Defend the title, Julia.

Vikapower
Jul 10th, 2011, 01:55 PM
The complete draw isn't yet available !? Anyways her first opponents looks good -- she only has a slight bad record to Ksenia, hopefully she wins the title again. ;)

Specter
Jul 10th, 2011, 02:05 PM
The complete draw isn't yet available !? Anyways her first opponents looks good -- she only has a slight bad record to Ksenia, hopefully she wins the title again. ;)

http://www.wtatennis.com/SEWTATour-Archive/posting/2011/1036/MDS.pdf

Michael!
Jul 10th, 2011, 02:15 PM
Bottom half seems more difficult, tricky first opponent for Julia, Pervak could be also tough but she has to be satisified with the draw!
I hope that South America Julia doesn´t show up, in this case she could already lose in 1st round here but she actually should have all chances to reach the final here again, let´s hope that Cornet beats Pervak in 1st round :p

madmax
Jul 10th, 2011, 02:17 PM
Julia should really win a title here, barring any disastrous performance...good luck

Malkmus_
Jul 10th, 2011, 02:20 PM
Come on Julia! :cheer:

Viktymise
Jul 10th, 2011, 02:23 PM
Anything but a title, or at least a final, would be a disappointment.

Vikapower
Jul 10th, 2011, 02:39 PM
Thanks Specter for the complete draw. ;)

I hope that South America Julia doesn´t show up, in this case she could already lose in 1st round here but she actually should have all chances to reach the final here again, let´s hope that Cornet beats Pervak in 1st round :p

What does Ksenia have to trouble Julia on clay :shrug: I've never seen the russian play but I would kind of hope that Julia fixes her record to Ksenia even if she has a very good one to Alizé. :lol:

Both time Ksenia and Julia played were before Stuttgart 2011 (Monterrey 2011, Portoroz 2009) which means her more inconstant version. IDK either girl would be cool. :shrug:

Julia still has to win her 1st. rnd though and hopefully she does. :cheer:

Skoo
Jul 10th, 2011, 03:36 PM
There really isn't anyone on the main draw that can trouble Julia. Except the first seed, of course :)

18majors
Jul 11th, 2011, 02:16 PM
Julia needs to play her own gamd and she will prevail.

Ayumilove
Jul 11th, 2011, 04:33 PM
Good luck Julia :inlove:
This is a nice place to talk about her game and stuff. I'm glad she has a forum :cool:
http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Julia-Goerges/102521843140722 Here is her facebook page. I know one of the people who are part of it. you guys should join.

Skoo
Jul 12th, 2011, 10:50 AM
Awful performance from Julia's thoughest opponent. And they were gettin' along so well. Let's hope it's not catching :)

18majors
Jul 12th, 2011, 01:28 PM
Good luck, Julia.

Ayumilove
Jul 12th, 2011, 03:19 PM
no stream? :mad:

fleckes
Jul 12th, 2011, 03:23 PM
no stream? :mad:

I don't understand it. The other matches on center were all streamed.:mad:

Skoo
Jul 12th, 2011, 03:26 PM
Yes, well, nobody cares about this one :)

And by the looks of it, maybe Julia could have no another match :bigcry:

HowardH
Jul 12th, 2011, 03:32 PM
Damn. She's playing poorly and I can't even see it.

snoodtastic
Jul 12th, 2011, 03:32 PM
Still no stream? Julia down two breaks already!

TimeyWimey
Jul 12th, 2011, 03:32 PM
gee, she is down 1:4 first set

Ayumilove
Jul 12th, 2011, 03:33 PM
fuck this. come on jules.

Vikapower
Jul 12th, 2011, 03:33 PM
Just reached what's going on !? How's she playing !?

Ayumilove
Jul 12th, 2011, 03:35 PM
^ not good. and there is no stream :(

Vikapower
Jul 12th, 2011, 03:36 PM
ROFL What the hell is Julia doing !? :lol: This just like the match against Birenerova in Charleston apparently.

Vikapower
Jul 12th, 2011, 03:37 PM
^ not good. and there is no stream :(

Yes I know, this is going to be very frustrating once again... especially if Julia keeps the drama. :o

Skoo
Jul 12th, 2011, 03:37 PM
She's probably using the advices Jarka gave her :)

TimeyWimey
Jul 12th, 2011, 03:37 PM
this is ridiculous, i saw the stream schedule this morning of this game, but they just canceled it

Ayumilove
Jul 12th, 2011, 03:37 PM
1-5 :o
i think she'll still win though. maybe something like 1-6,6-3,7-6

TimeyWimey
Jul 12th, 2011, 03:38 PM
down 1:5:(

Vikapower
Jul 12th, 2011, 03:40 PM
:rolls: Julia better get herself together - this is absolute comedy. :lol:

1-6 First set Pous-Tio in 31:04 minutes.

TimeyWimey
Jul 12th, 2011, 03:40 PM
1:6, now second set

Ayumilove
Jul 12th, 2011, 03:41 PM
that was awful. what the crapp. :help:

fleckes
Jul 12th, 2011, 03:41 PM
Lost the set with a double fault. drama, drama, drama

Skoo
Jul 12th, 2011, 03:41 PM
And a royal finish :lol:

Vikapower
Jul 12th, 2011, 03:43 PM
Now my score-board has freezed ROFL !! :o

Vikapower
Jul 12th, 2011, 03:45 PM
Somebody sees or knows the score !?

Ayumilove
Jul 12th, 2011, 03:45 PM
she needs to go to a nike training base and get some clay-court help from li na

HowardH
Jul 12th, 2011, 03:46 PM
I think she'll turn the match. She probably went to take a bathroom break or something, to try to break Laura's momentum.

Skoo
Jul 12th, 2011, 03:46 PM
Now my score-board has freezed ROFL !! :o

Somebody sees or knows the score !?

The other matches work. Maybe something got into Julia's eye again and it's medical timeout :lol:

Ayumilove
Jul 12th, 2011, 03:47 PM
I think she'll turn the match.

i kno she will

TimeyWimey
Jul 12th, 2011, 03:48 PM
it's back

Ayumilove
Jul 12th, 2011, 03:48 PM
bp! :) NID

TimeyWimey
Jul 12th, 2011, 03:49 PM
nice job, 1:0

Ayumilove
Jul 12th, 2011, 03:49 PM
1-0. game on.

madmax
Jul 12th, 2011, 03:49 PM
Julia:unsure:
Getting trashed on clay by Pous-Tio?:facepalm: WTF

Skoo
Jul 12th, 2011, 03:49 PM
she needs to go to a nike training base and get some clay-court help from li na

And she'll teach Li the secrets of the crash nail polish or whatever :)

Ayumilove
Jul 12th, 2011, 03:49 PM
1-0. game on.

Vikapower
Jul 12th, 2011, 03:50 PM
Better start she has the break, come on !!

The other matches work. Maybe something got into Julia's eye again and it's medical timeout :lol:

I think like Howard she took a bathroom break.

I think she'll turn the match. She probably went to take a bathroom break or something, to try to break Laura's momentum.

Did she report any kind of injury or illness before she came in the event !? :sad:

Ayumilove
Jul 12th, 2011, 03:51 PM
only serving at 44% :unsure:

Ayumilove
Jul 12th, 2011, 03:53 PM
wow too many 2nd serves.
and rezai just lost again :ignore:

Vikapower
Jul 12th, 2011, 03:54 PM
Well done Julia 2-0 Come on, keep going !!!

Vikapower
Jul 12th, 2011, 03:58 PM
Julia takes an insurance break :cheer: A bagel !?? :unsure:

Ayumilove
Jul 12th, 2011, 03:58 PM
3-0. Atta girl :yeah:

Skoo
Jul 12th, 2011, 03:58 PM
:lol: Julia's 1st serve is lower and Laura's higher, yet it's 3-0. She must be hitting a lot of winners.

Ayumilove
Jul 12th, 2011, 04:04 PM
servus laura. :bigwave:

Specter
Jul 12th, 2011, 04:05 PM
I'm starting to think she was nice to give Laura a head start. :scratch:

fleckes
Jul 12th, 2011, 04:05 PM
2 aces in a row! That's my Julia

Vikapower
Jul 12th, 2011, 04:06 PM
Thank God 4-0, just needs to hold 2 more times or a hold and a break to send this into a 3rd.

19Christian87
Jul 12th, 2011, 04:06 PM
On some comments: Julia knows how to play on clay - short term-memory gone?

And... it's good to see Julia waking up. Good morning :)

Ayumilove
Jul 12th, 2011, 04:06 PM
shucks. i was hoping for a bagel

Vikapower
Jul 12th, 2011, 04:09 PM
:lol: Julia's 1st serve is lower and Laura's higher, yet it's 3-0. She must be hitting a lot of winners.

Julia is only serving 49% for true and she's winning 63% behind her first serve so just a little more first serves should make her more comfortable on her service games.

Ayumilove
Jul 12th, 2011, 04:10 PM
1-6,6-1,6-2? i think yes! :)

Skoo
Jul 12th, 2011, 04:11 PM
Now a break would be wonderful. Or it will make her relax and lose the match (see vs. Cibulkova) :)

Vikapower
Jul 12th, 2011, 04:13 PM
Come Julia time to take the set if you please !!

Skoo
Jul 12th, 2011, 04:16 PM
Can't have a set without a DF.

Ayumilove
Jul 12th, 2011, 04:17 PM
:rolleyes: starting to miss again
bad error.

Vikapower
Jul 12th, 2011, 04:20 PM
Can't have a set without a DF.

:lol: Did you really think Julia was going to close out the set without some drama !? :help: :lol:

Skoo
Jul 12th, 2011, 04:22 PM
:lol: Did you really think Julia was going to close out the set without some drama !? :help: :lol:

Of course not. But I hope she'll still close it out :)

If I'm not mistaken, she didn't have any of them DFs in the final at Stuttgart.

Ayumilove
Jul 12th, 2011, 04:22 PM
sp. thank god puos-tio can't rally on the bh side

Ayumilove
Jul 12th, 2011, 04:23 PM
too bad julia can't hit a forehand winner anymore :(

Vikapower
Jul 12th, 2011, 04:25 PM
6-2 second set, one more to go !! :cheer:

fleckes
Jul 12th, 2011, 04:25 PM
too bad julia can't hit a forehand winner anymore :(

Do you have a stream?

Skoo
Jul 12th, 2011, 04:26 PM
sp. thank god puos-tio can't rally on the bh side

too bad julia can't hit a forehand winner anymore :(

How do you know what they're hitting?

Ayumilove
Jul 12th, 2011, 04:27 PM
julia's team. working with a facebook page correspondent. he's telling me the ending to each point through text. he's at the match ;)

Skoo
Jul 12th, 2011, 04:34 PM
Deja vu.

Ayumilove
Jul 12th, 2011, 04:34 PM
dang it. it's 0-2 and she's serving at 42%. this isn't good.

TimeyWimey
Jul 12th, 2011, 04:39 PM
0-3, Wimbledon once more?

mk27
Jul 12th, 2011, 04:39 PM
I don't think that Julia took this MM tournament too seriously :angel:
Expect for Pervak, all seeds are out after 2 days.

Vikapower
Jul 12th, 2011, 04:40 PM
:rolls: Tell me why Julia presented herself in Bad Gastein if to take put such a a performance in the first round !!!? I'm really baffled and pretty much deceived for the title - this is only just the first round.

She really doesn't seem to put any will !! :( I wanted this badly, too much maybe. :lol:

joy division
Jul 12th, 2011, 04:43 PM
Too bad, looks like a step back.
Now 1-3. Hang in there, Julia !!!

TimeyWimey
Jul 12th, 2011, 04:51 PM
1:5
what kind of crap is that?!

Specter
Jul 12th, 2011, 04:51 PM
I really didn't care about this tourney or even like that she plays it, but going down in the first round like this? :facepalm:

Ayumilove
Jul 12th, 2011, 04:51 PM
fuck this shit

mk27
Jul 12th, 2011, 04:53 PM
Expected loss :shrug:

19Christian87
Jul 12th, 2011, 04:53 PM
disgrace

Michael!
Jul 12th, 2011, 04:53 PM
disgusting performance, no consistency at all, only was able to play on a decent level for a few games at least, doesn´t matter if she took it serious or not, if she had no motivation for Gastein then she shouldn´t have played but this is really horrible but typical for Julia, u never know what to expect but one thing is for sure, no chance for top 10 if she continues with those up´s and down´s :facepalm:

bavaria86
Jul 12th, 2011, 04:57 PM
:eek:Julia

mk27
Jul 12th, 2011, 05:00 PM
She really doesn't care about these MM tournaments anymore. Look at her results in Bogota, Acapulco and Monterrey. It was clear that she wouldn't go far in Bad Gastein.

Vikapower
Jul 12th, 2011, 05:02 PM
She really doesn't care about these MM tournaments anymore. Look at her results in Bogota, Acapulco and Monterrey. It was clear that she wouldn't go far in Bad Gastein.

:lol: It's possible because she #16 now and probably has other aspirations but in that case why not do like the other top players and not present yourself in these events !? :lol:

Julia this was really an unnecessary loss but on to Stanford now. :hug:

Ayumilove
Jul 12th, 2011, 05:02 PM
yeah and besides, she has 6 hard court tournaments coming up in north america. those are what really count.

HowardH
Jul 12th, 2011, 05:10 PM
Hmm. Without seeing the match it's hard to tell exactly what happened, but we can make a good guess.

Julia still cannot guarantee that she will play at a high level at any given moment. She loses rhythm too often. I say still, but there isn't actually a guarantee that she will eventually learn to do so, I just hope she will. Also, perhaps she takes a little too long to adapt to conditions when she changes from one tournament to another, or even from one opponent to another. Playing good tennis day in and day out is about being able to establish (and keep) your own rhythm relatively quickly in any environment.

CillyUltra
Jul 12th, 2011, 07:32 PM
„Es war eines meiner schlechtesten Matches in meiner Profilaufbahn. Sehr bitter, dass es hier passiert ist. Es war ein rabenschwarzer Tag, an dem ich alles probiert habe, aber nichts gelungen ist. Ich habe mich leider auch etwas müde gefühlt, da ich vergangenen Montag eine Zahnoperation gehabt habe und danach bis Donnerstag Tabletten gegen die Entzündung nehmen musste. Diese Müdigkeit habe ich heute auch noch gespürt. Insgesamt einfach sehr enttäuschend, jetzt werde ich morgen hier noch Doppel spielen.“ http://www.gastein-ladies.at/aktuelles_news_118.php

- one of the worst matches of my career
- very bitter that it happened here
- a black day, where I tried everything but nothing worked
- I was a bit tired bc I had a dental operation last Monday and had to take pills for the inflammation until Thursday
- I felt this tiredness still today
- all in all very disappointing, I will play doubles tomorrow yet

Skoo
Jul 12th, 2011, 07:47 PM
I don't think the pills still had an effect, but fatigue always seems to be a factor in her losses. Might be neurasthenia :)

19Christian87
Jul 13th, 2011, 08:31 AM
At least some crisp, clear and definite words after this defeat. Thumps up for the first three sentences.

18majors
Jul 13th, 2011, 10:33 AM
Cheer up, Julia.

CillyUltra
Jul 13th, 2011, 12:09 PM
Julia on Twitter:
hi all.unfortunately i lost my singles yesterday.was pretty sad that such a bad day happened here in this lovely tournament.had no energy,but life goes on and you can just come back stronger.4th after 11am today doubles with @Jarka_Tennis ;)come on girl lets have fun;)

Skoo
Jul 13th, 2011, 12:31 PM
Maybe she should get on a gluten-free diet :)

Michael!
Jul 13th, 2011, 02:13 PM
I will blame the dental operation, that makes it easier :oh:
But as I said, nothing unusual, she will have some great results again suddenly but u always have to expect results like against Pous Tio, Oudin, Pervak etc. as well!

Ayumilove
Jul 13th, 2011, 03:42 PM
they won in doubles :)

Skoo
Jul 13th, 2011, 03:48 PM
And they have same initials! :)

Malkmus_
Jul 13th, 2011, 10:04 PM
:sad: Though I don't really agree with her still playing Clay tournaments, even though she was defending the title. :shrug: Now to prepare for the US Hard Courts.

19Christian87
Jul 14th, 2011, 10:28 AM
they won in doubles :)
how fantasticly that proves the people right who assumed that she does not care about this tournament :oh:

HowardH
Jul 14th, 2011, 11:45 AM
The two of them can concentrate on the double now since they both went out in the first round of singles. Maybe they can take the title? JG/JG won the first set 6-3 against Pous-Tio and Dominguez-Lino. Time to take revenge for that singles loss Julia.

18majors
Jul 14th, 2011, 11:49 AM
Julia always has such a postive mindset.

Skoo
Jul 14th, 2011, 12:09 PM
Julia always has such a postive mindset.

Yeah, like that time when she said she is definitely not a favorite for RG, since she never got past the 3R of a major :) Petko, on the other hand, said she might be a favorite and she can beat anybody. Although she was lying, that is positive thinking :)

HowardH
Jul 14th, 2011, 01:51 PM
JG/JG won, 3 and 3, so Julia got revenge on Laura for the singles loss (although I always prefer singles to doubles).

HowardH
Jul 14th, 2011, 02:14 PM
Yeah, like that time when she said she is definitely not a favorite for RG, since she never got past the 3R of a major :) Petko, on the other hand, said she might be a favorite and she can beat anybody. Although she was lying, that is positive thinking :)

There are a few different strategies for maintaining a positive mindset during matchplay, and a player has to find the one that suits them best. I'm not sure Julia yet fully understands what mindset she needs to be in to play her best.

For instance, there are players who prefer to talk down their chances of winning titles etc. Look at RG, where Rafa was saying that he wasn't playing well enough to win the tournament, Nole was the favourite, but Nole was saying that Rafa was the favourite. They were both trying to take pressure and expectation off themselves, but inside both were confident that they had good chances of taking the title.

On the other hand, the WS have, for the most part, always portrayed themselves as the favourites for any titles. It has worked for them.

It comes down to this: Do you prefer to pump yourself up and then have to deal with high pressure and high expectations? Stosur tried this recently and it didn't work for her- "I fear nobody". Murray also tried to say that he had chances at Wimbledon, but it didn't work for him either. Or do you prefer to take pressure off yourself and be quietly confident inside? Rafa has been using this strategy for a long time (always saying it's going to be a tough match, the opponent is a good player) and it works for him, partly because he is so confident in his tennis, he can play down his chances and it won't affect his confidence oncourt.

It all depends on the person's weak points. If you deal with high expectations and pressure well, and if your confidence needs a little boost, then talking yourself up could work for you. On the other hand, some people perform better when flying under the radar. In this case being reserved about your chances is a good strategy. Then there is the last group, players who are playing great, they know it, they are very confident. In this case, taking pressure off yourself is a good idea, because you are good and you know it, so there is no advantage in publicly announcing that you are a favourite.

One way or another you must, inside, believe that you are capable of surpassing all the other players, of winning the tournament. The most important thing is the level of belief you have during the matches. For some people, if they say "I'm going to win this tournament" they will find that they cannot play well due to the expectations. Others will revel in this expectation. Some others play best when thinking "I am definitely capable of winning, let's see if I'm good enough today."

Skoo
Jul 14th, 2011, 03:09 PM
It comes down to this: Do you prefer to pump yourself up and then have to deal with high pressure and high expectations? Stosur tried this recently and it didn't work for her- "I fear nobody". Murray also tried to say that he had chances at Wimbledon, but it didn't work for him either. Or do you prefer to take pressure off yourself and be quietly confident inside? Rafa has been using this strategy for a long time (always saying it's going to be a tough match, the opponent is a good player) and it works for him, partly because he is so confident in his tennis, he can play down his chances and it won't affect his confidence oncourt.

I agree with most of the things you said. But Murray indeed had his chances, because the match actually depended on his consistency. Rafa is not such a good player and he is right fearing every opponent (especially the first three). I think he is sincere every time he is humble. He is not confident in his tennis, he is just capable to concentrate on every point, which is of course very admirable and with some speed and huge top spin produces big results.

It is different with Julia, who has one of the best games, but she usually lacks confidence. Every time she's on a big stage, she feels like she doesn't belong there (that's what happened in the match with Safarova, for example). We could see the she belonged at Stuttgart, everyone was talking about her coolness, Mats said she looked like a real champion, she played the crucial points excellent and so on. She was then probably in your third category ("players who are playing great, they know it, they are very confident"). So we could say that in general her problem is an ill-founded lack of confidence, but unlike Nadal, that makes her lose focus and probably makes her tired also. If we take again a look at Petko, she has an ill-founded confidence (or at least I don't see her as such a good player - she basically just has a big forehand) and that makes her win a lot of matches and she never looks tired. She then gets humiliated by Sharapova, but that doesn't matter :)

Oh, and there's also the relaxation which also makes Julia lose focus. Sometimes she probably perceives the match as won too early.

Ayumilove
Jul 14th, 2011, 04:31 PM
i've always wondered who hits the hardest between jules, rezai, and jarka. kvitova and sharapova are probably in the top 5 too, but i would say those 3 hit the hardest ball. what do you think?
if i ranked the 5, i would say...
rezai
trashova. jk lol
jarka
julia
masha

Skoo
Jul 14th, 2011, 06:03 PM
I used to think that Julia might come immediately after Kvitova. Probably she hits harder than Jarka. I didn't see Rezai too much, but she didn't strike me as the biggest hitter. I'll upgrade my opinion asap :) It was nice at Wimby to see a stat that showed an average difference of 10 mph between Kvitova's and Sharapova's groundstrokes. My top 5 would be: Arantxa Rus (though she's not really significant at the moment), Kvitova, Julia, Sharapova, Stosur (and I think Jarka has about the same power as Sam).

Ayumilove
Jul 14th, 2011, 06:34 PM
I used to think that Julia might come immediately after Kvitova. Probably she hits harder than Jarka. I didn't see Rezai too much, but she didn't strike me as the biggest hitter. I'll upgrade my opinion asap :) It was nice at Wimby to see a stat that showed an average difference of 10 mph between Kvitova's and Sharapova's groundstrokes. My top 5 would be: Arantxa Rus (though she's not really significant at the moment), Kvitova, Julia, Sharapova, Stosur (and I think Jarka has about the same power as Sam).

:haha:
i'm sorry but she hits the ball about as hard as wozniacki.
and i'm positive gajdasova hits harder than sam.

Skoo
Jul 14th, 2011, 06:49 PM
:haha:
i'm sorry but she hits the ball about as hard as wozniacki.

:lol: Come on, you must be kidding! Didn't you see her at RG? She hits pretty hard on a regular basis and, from time to time, she releases the most powerful FHs I have seen in WTA. I suppose we need a third opinion. And maybe we should talk in another thread :)

Ayumilove
Jul 14th, 2011, 06:59 PM
:lol: Come on, you must be kidding! Didn't you see her at RG? She hits pretty hard on a regular basis and, from time to time, she releases the most powerful FHs I have seen in WTA. I suppose we need a third opinion. And maybe we should talk in another thread :)

A thir opinion would be nice lol, but i'm not sure how we can take this into another thread. We'll just have to wait for a couple other Julia fans to give their opinion. HINT HINT!... and against kim, arantxa hit 7 winners the whole match :tape: :help:

Skoo
Jul 14th, 2011, 07:15 PM
A thir opinion would be nice lol, but i'm not sure how we can take this into another thread. We'll just have to wait for a couple other Julia fans to give their opinion. HINT HINT!... and against kim, arantxa hit 7 winners the whole match :tape: :help:

Yes, she was more careful against Kim, maybe that's why she was able to take her chances. Anyway, I would say that most of Kim's errors were not quite unforced. She had to be defensive most of the time and couldn't hit from proper positions. Anyway, against Kirilenko she had 14 winners and the match was much shorter. Kiri's defense worked and Rus was ballbashing again. Two or three FHs in that match were incredibly fast :)

Vikapower
Jul 15th, 2011, 02:14 AM
Well done Julia. :yeah:

I used to think that Julia might come immediately after Kvitova. Probably she hits harder than Jarka. I didn't see Rezai too much, but she didn't strike me as the biggest hitter.

ROFL No but this is all relative - Petra balls have lots of velocity but I really doubt she has the heaviest balls on the circuit. In terms of pure speed I think Petra has the fastest balls on the tour actually, she really has very little spins on her shots overall.

The heaviest balls IMO and the title might play between Serena, Maria, Safarova and most probably some girls I have forgotten.

Julia hits the ball hard with both velocity and weight - she puts spin but I really don't know how she situates between the other big hitters who generally unlike her hits their balls (completely) flat.

Aravane she, at her best is really one the the biggest hitters out there, her balls are flat, heavy and quick but she doesn't have as much consistency.

HowardH
Jul 15th, 2011, 12:45 PM
They won the doubles semi against wildcards Hofmanova/Klaffner, 3 and 3.

At least the fact that they have been able to concentrate on doubles has produced some results, although I would have preferred singles results.

18majors
Jul 15th, 2011, 12:51 PM
I hope Julia travels to the US soon to prepare for the hard court season.

HowardH
Jul 15th, 2011, 01:02 PM
As regards the above discussion, Rus is definitely not a power player. I can sort of understand that in her RG matches she may have appeared to be one, but this is not her natural (or original) game. She seems to be trying to change herself from a pusher to an aggressive player- with some mixed but interesting results. As a result her racquethead speed (on the fh side in particular) can vary from very quick to unbelievably slow within the same point. But when people see her in the draw I'm sure they don't think "I'm going to be overpowered."

Whereas they definitely fear being overpowered by Julia, for instance, or Jarka.

Serena probably has the most energy on her ball, with a combination of velocity and topspin on both sides. Venus's shots are very fast, flatter than Serena's, but she is also more erratic.

Stosur has the heaviest forehand in terms of spin.

Kvitova's shots are very flat and among the fastest, but what has made her really effective is that she can now hit those shots time and time again, accurately, even on the move. Her aggressive placement as well as pace is killing people. Safarova's shots are just as fast (or faster) but more erratic, and Kvitova's aggressive yet accurate return of serve is light years ahead of Lucie's (light years ahead of most of the wta tour actually. Vika is a different kind of returner though- she's probably the most solid returner on the tour.)

Aravane's shots are huge but erratic.

Sharapova used to have very big shots (pretty flat, but more spin than some) but has tempered them (along with her serve) in recent years. I hope she returns to her best one day.

I would say Julia hits one of the biggest balls on the tour. Fh in particular is heavy with speed. Jarka's shot is also big, but a little flatter, possibly actually faster. Julia has heaviness on both wings, like Serena. Most players have a flatter bh so this is a useful attribute for her.

Kim is a real power player herself. When on she can hit truckloads of winners, but she does have days when she is rather erratic. Her shot is flat and quick, not all that heavy, but probably with a little more spin than Kvitova.

Vikapower
Jul 15th, 2011, 01:46 PM
As regards the above discussion, Rus is definitely not a power player.I can sort of understand that in her RG matches she may have appeared to be one, but this is not her natural (or original) game. She seems to be trying to change herself from a pusher to an aggressive player- with some mixed but interesting results. As a result her racquethead speed (on the fh side in particular) can vary from very quick to unbelievably slow within the same point. But when people see her in the draw I'm sure they don't think "I'm going to be overpowered."

:lol: That's for sure and I really don't know where the idea came from, she can get some speed on the ball but definitively not as much as the top girls on the tour. I think the match in RG is weird, Kimmie was so bad and Arantxa was just being good but definitively not overpowering Kimmie.

Serena probably has the most energy on her ball, with a combination of velocity and topspin on both sides. Venus's shots are very fast, flatter than Serena's, but she is also more erratic.

By energy you mean action !? I think Serena transfers weight very well into her shots which makes that when she takes a cut at the ball, the shot is both fast and heavy. The weight makes the ball almost impossible to control... that said I'm not really convinced that Serena hits her balls with that much top spin. :lol:

Girls do not voluntarily search for big top spin I mean by that when Sharapova for example wants to take of pace she finds more height over the net and higher trajectories but these shots have no weight, no action... they don't push back the opponent that much or they don't even keep rising that high after the bounce like when you see Tsonga for example.

Stosur has the heaviest forehand in terms of spin.

For sure but I think she faces a similar kind of problem like with Nadal. When she faces a girl or an opponent abled to handle any of her spins with a very good BH since her bread and butter is to turn around her BH and control the long diagonals with her FH then she has all sorts of troubles.

Her record to Victoria is telling, 4-0 to Vika and even Julia has beaten Sam 2 consecutive times on HC which is not the Australian's best surface and on clay... moreover her spin doesn't take that much on surfaces that do not take spins very well which is a limit to her game.

Kvitova's shots are very flat and among the fastest, but what has made her really effective is that she can now hit those shots time and time again, accurately, even on the move. Her aggressive placement as well as pace is killing people. Safarova's shots are just as fast (or faster) but more erratic, and Kvitova's aggressive yet accurate return of serve is light years ahead of Lucie's (light years ahead of most of the wta tour actually. Vika is a different kind of returner though- she's probably the most solid returner on the tour.)

Petra doesn't swing that much when you watch her in slow mo, she's very relaxed when she hits the ball and has a incredible fluid strokes and timing... in that aspect I really see the similarity with Lindsey Davenport.

The thing is though does she have the heaviest shots on the tour in terms of weight or does her shots only just have velocity and with the zones that she finds impossible to control !?

I can't find the answer, when I watch Petra I don't have the impression she transfers that much body mass in her shots granted that pro's overall have such an excellent control over their weight into CP that it doesn't always jump to the eye and maybe that's the case with Petra.

I would say Julia hits one of the biggest balls on the tour. Fh in particular is heavy with speed. Jarka's shot is also big, but a little flatter, possibly actually faster. Julia has heaviness on both wings, like Serena. Most players have a flatter bh so this is a useful attribute for her.

Yes, Julia's FH has both velocity and weight, maybe if she didn't put so much weight in it, her shots would be as fast as Petra. :lol: She would also certainly have to change trajectories over the net to something flatter and riskier... :p

Anyways I adore Julia's game like it is and it's almost impossible to find girls who put that much spins to the ball offering large opportunities to find all sorts of angles and zones on the court... I can think bar Sam of Carla Suarez Navarro who has that good solid spanish lift and if you watch her at her best the tremendous zones she can find from anywhere around the court.

Kim is a real power player herself. When on she can hit truckloads of winners, but she does have days when she is rather erratic. Her shot is flat and quick, not all that heavy, but probably with a little more spin than Kvitova.

Yes. Agree 100%.

Skoo
Jul 15th, 2011, 01:48 PM
Well, that was illuminating, especially on Arantxa Rus. We thank thee :)

Ayumilove
Jul 15th, 2011, 05:32 PM
Well Sam definitely hits with a lot of top spin. However, I don't really think she has extremely fast balls. Their just heavy.
Julia really doesn't hit with that much topspin on her forehand. It's relatively flat and I think its probably the best one on tour if you factor in consistancy+pace of the shot.
Venus hits pretty hard and flat but I think almost too flat and not qutie hard enough. She's for sure consistent but cleary, she is a shadow of Serena apart from Wimbledon where grass suits her game.
Anyways, I honestly think the only 2 players that can overpower Serena are Petra and Aravane. Both of them I think have a faster pace ball than Serena. The thing about Serena is that she can hit any ball, but she doesn't consistantly hit the hardest. Maybe when she goes for it, she hits a bigger ball than Rezai, but on average, Aravane definitely goes for more. Kvitova has more success because she has more margain for error. Then there's Nana and Kim. Those are the only two that I think wouldn't get overpowered by an agressive Serena. Gajdasova is really just a ballbasher along with Aravane but if those two played eachother at peak form, I don't think jarmila would stand a chance.
If I had to rank how I would be most "overpowered" without factoring in consistancy, I think it would go like...
1. Rezai
2. Sharapova
3. Kvitova
4. Azarenka
5. Serena
6. Jules
7. Nana
8. Kim
9. Lisicki
10. Gajdasova
with venus, kuznetsova, safarova, hradecka, petkovic all also being just outside that list

But then when you add consistancy to it, I think it would become...
1. Serena
2. Nana
3. Venus
4. Kim
5. Petra
6. Maria
7. Azarenka
8. Kuznetsova
9. Julia
10. Ana

18majors
Jul 16th, 2011, 12:57 PM
Julia has one of the best combinations of power serves and power strokes.

Specter
Jul 17th, 2011, 08:21 AM
So nobody bothered to mention JG² are in the final? Interesting.

I'm still hoping for a stream to pop up somewhere, but that's likely just a pipe dream.

rucolo
Jul 17th, 2011, 11:16 AM
She really doesn't care about these MM tournaments anymore.

So true. Just remember Bogota :lol:

how fantasticly that proves the people right who assumed that she does not care about this tournament :oh:

"does not care" soll ja nicht bedeuten, dass Julia sich gar keine Mühe in MM-Turnieren gibt. Aber statt 100% gibt sie halt nur so 30%. Was im Übrigen eigentlich auch verständlich ist und bei vielen anderen Top 20-Spielerinnen ähnlich ist. Julia`s Konzentration gilt hauptsächlich den Premier- und Grand Slam-Turnieren. Mayr war in Bad Gastein zB hingegen zu 100% motiviert.

Julia hat viel Spaß am Doppel. Im Gegensatz zum Einzel ist der Druck auch weg, da spielt es sich eben leichter. Das erste Match haben Julia und Jarmila knapp überstanden. Das Feld in Bad Gastein ist ja nicht so überragend. Und dass dann Julia kurz vor dem Finale der Ehrgeiz packt ist ja völlig normal. Ein Titel ist immer schön, und am Ende einer Karriere schauen alle auf die Anzahl der Titel. Außerdem hat Julia nix dagegen, noch ein paar Tage im wunderschönen Bad Gastein zu verweilen.

Specter
Jul 17th, 2011, 11:49 AM
"does not care" soll ja nicht bedeuten, dass Julia sich gar keine Mühe in MM-Turnieren gibt. Aber statt 100% gibt sie halt nur so 30%. Was im Übrigen eigentlich auch verständlich ist und bei vielen anderen Top 20-Spielerinnen ähnlich ist. Julia`s Konzentration gilt hauptsächlich den Premier- und Grand Slam-Turnieren. Mayr war in Bad Gastein zB hingegen zu 100% motiviert.

I'm sorry, but if Jule thinks she's already too good for MMs in which she's the defending champ (and which no one forced her to play in the first place) she needs to get back to reality. She's not pulling the good results in the big tournaments consistently enough to completely blow off MMs as a vital source of points at this stage in her career to be able to do that.

At the same time I'm a bit surprised at some of the extreme reactions her singles loss caused around this place (though knowing TF, I shouldn't be). It was one loss. A bad one, sure, but still only one lousy loss. She's had a few stupid losses recently, but I'd still always write that off as inconsistency, rather than a complete failure to perform well, until she keeps losing badly all the way till the end of the year. Then I'll get concerned, but not a minute before that. She's got a hit-and-miss style and she's got a hit-and-miss on-court attitude to boot and we'll just have to live with that and accept results like the one against Pous-Tio until she gets all that under control. That could be next year, it could happen in 3 years or it might never happen. We'll just have to wait and see and not panic all the time.

rucolo
Jul 17th, 2011, 12:27 PM
I'm sorry, but if Jule thinks she's already too good for MMs in which she's the defending champ (and which no one forced her to play in the first place) she needs to get back to reality. She's not pulling the good results in the big tournaments consistently enough to completely blow off MMs as a vital source of points at this stage in her career to be able to do that.


I never said Julia thinks she`s already too good for MMs. Julia is such a sweet, nice, humble girl. I`m sure she would never think she`s too good for somebody/something. She just isn`t 100% motivated for MMs. That`s all.

And like I said Julia is not the only one. Remember Li lost to Malek in a MM. That would never have happened in a Grand Slam.

18majors
Jul 17th, 2011, 12:27 PM
Julia will play better, I'm sure.

Skoo
Jul 17th, 2011, 12:39 PM
I never said Julia thinks she`s already too good for MMs. Julia is such a sweet, nice, humble girl. I`m sure she would never think she`s too good for somebody/something. She just isn`t 100% motivated for MMs. That`s all.

Unfortunately she is too humble and she never seems too motivated for any tournament.

Specter
Jul 17th, 2011, 12:52 PM
I never said Julia thinks she`s already too good for MMs. Julia is such a sweet, nice, humble girl. I`m sure she would never think she`s too good for somebody/something. She just isn`t 100% motivated for MMs. That`s all.

And like I said Julia is not the only one. Remember Li lost to Malek in a MM. That would never have happened in a Grand Slam.

I'm just missing the competitive edge with her sometimes. She had that edge in Stuttgart, but usually she seems pretty content with losing during a match or not going far in the draw. It's not the attitude of a champion and I wish she would stop being nice and humble sometimes and go into full-on Ma$ha bitch mode to dig her way out of bad situations rather than lying down and taking it.

rucolo
Jul 17th, 2011, 01:08 PM
I'm just missing the competitive edge with her sometimes. She had that edge in Stuttgart, but usually she seems pretty content with losing during a match or not going far in the draw. It's not the attitude of a champion and I wish she would stop being nice and humble sometimes and go into full-on Ma$ha bitch mode to dig her way out of bad situations rather than lying down and taking it.

Think exactly the same. But I guess that`s just her mentality. To be honest I never expected Julia to reach Top 20. And now she actually is #16 in the world, pretty amazing. I am very happy with that, and we all should be.

Of course Julia has the game to be Top 10, but that`s not everything, just look at Lucie Safarova. Some people here expect way too much from Julia.

Specter
Jul 17th, 2011, 01:37 PM
Think exactly the same. But I guess that`s just her mentality. To be honest I never expected Julia to reach Top 20. And now she actually is #16 in the world, pretty amazing. I am very happy with that, and we all should be.

Of course Julia has the game to be Top 10, but that`s not everything, just look at Lucie Safarova. Some people here expect way too much from Julia.

Ditto. When I think back to only last year, I never expected her to crack Top 20. But now that she's done it, I just don't want her to give it away with things like unnecessary losses to inferior players. It's not a general problem, but an on-the-day thing that could often be resolved with a bit of attitude on the court, a bit of focus on the points. Those kind of results are frustrating and reflect poorly on her general level of strength and talent, which gets questioned instantly. There's no need for that because she's better than those performances.

HowardH
Jul 17th, 2011, 02:38 PM
So nobody bothered to mention JG² are in the final? Interesting.

I'm still hoping for a stream to pop up somewhere, but that's likely just a pipe dream.

I mentioned it here:

They won the doubles semi against wildcards Hofmanova/Klaffner, 3 and 3.

At least the fact that they have been able to concentrate on doubles has produced some results, although I would have preferred singles results.

Unfortunately they lost the final in a super tb, 6-4 2-6 10-12, to Hradecka and Birnerova.

Specter
Jul 17th, 2011, 03:38 PM
I mentioned it here

I stand corrected.

Vikapower
Jul 17th, 2011, 05:41 PM
I'm just missing the competitive edge with her sometimes. She had that edge in Stuttgart, but usually she seems pretty content with losing during a match or not going far in the draw. It's not the attitude of a champion and I wish she would stop being nice and humble sometimes and go into full-on Ma$ha bitch mode to dig her way out of bad situations rather than lying down and taking it.

:shrug: For you to understand Julia, you need to understand where she's coming from first. Julia comes from small events where the level of intensity is not the same with the bigger stages. In the past years, Julia rarely competed in the bigger tournaments.

Julia's progression curve has been slow but steady these last few months and as usual people (generally the haters) expect worlds and wonders from her IMMEDIATELY and have very little understanding of how things are happening and at what pace this is why they needlessly hate on her because she has not fulfilled their incommensurable wishes.

She's a good learner and ameliorating things gradually -- you can not recite a partition on which you do not have full mastery, Julia can not recite a partition in the bigger events yet when she doesn't have a full and complete mastery of it and this learning process comes with repetition, relentless repetition and failures ; that's what people resume by experience. The more experience she'll have in the bigger events, the better her instincts, the better she'll know how to react and the further she'll get in her draws.

She has progressed drastically and she is competitive but understand that the situation(s), the moment(s) but also certain types of players like Bartoli, Cibulkova makes it very very complicated even if she wants it bad. Furthermore off-days also exists for Julia :lol: but because it is her then it becomes oh so very easy to tag "inconsistent" like it's the one and only miracle word to explain her defeats to Pous-tio and siblings. :lol:

3 last matches Julia lost in slams were to very very feisty players, feistier than she is certainly and this just only indicates what level of intensity she will need to put up in the next slam to get past not only the 3rd. round, nothing else and you'll see she'll come up with it. ;)

At last, we should not be crying because Julia lost in an MM, FGS, the ranking at which Julia is at, 16, a top player but not quite there yet, might only need to have us complain in Premiers, Premier 5's or even Mandatories if Julia losses to players she SHOULD be beating hands in the pocket... I sincerely do not read to much anymore in these Pous-tio-like losses for the simplest reason :

Julia has proven to be a very good international event's player and she has nothing owing nobody in that department. She's trying to take the notch up and this doesn't happen like that from today to tomorrow... list Julia's 6 or 7 last Big events of the year and find how many has she faltered at and how many has she succeeded, compare this to her last 2 years and let's have a laughter at anybody who says "She's not pulling the good results in the big tournaments consistently enough..." -- :lol: ;)

Specter
Jul 17th, 2011, 06:03 PM
let's have a laughter at anybody who says "She's not pulling the good results in the big tournaments consistently enough..." -- :lol: ;)

Laugh it up then. Think I care? :shrug:

Vikapower
Jul 17th, 2011, 06:29 PM
Laugh it up then. Think I care? :shrug:

:lol: I was just kidding, just a subtle : ;) -- to your statement. ;)