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Vikapower
Jul 8th, 2011, 07:13 PM
Julia's General index

As of July 26th. 2012 (only WTA regular tour)

General facts

- Julia is 248-156 lifetime (61.39%) and 139-101 (57.91%) on the regular tour.
Julia is 122-19 when having won the first set, last defeat Wimbledon 2012 to #14 Ana Ivanovic 3-6 6-3 6-4.
Julia is 15-82 (15.46%) when having lost the first set.

- Julia has played 47 Qualification matches and is 31-16, last qualifying match played Sydney 2010.

- Julia is 78-71 (59-54) on hard, 47-41 on hard outdoors.
Julia is 74-12 after having won the first set on hard.

- Her other surfaces displays as followed, 39-24 (105-49) on clay, 5-5 on grass and 18-6 (8-1) on carpet.
On the regular tour, Julia is 38-6 on clay and 4-0 on grass after having won the first set.

- Julia's main draw participation displays 17 in slams, 34 in Premiers and 36 in International events for a total of 87. She has won 2 titles, 0.022, for 2 finals 0.022 and 11 SF appearances (0.126), 4 won 0.047.

- Julia has played 74 3 sets and is 42-32.
Julia is 2-2 against top 10 players.
Julia is 3-5 against top 20 players.

The field

- Julia is 7-16 against top 10 players (last victory Rome 2012 against #7 marion Bartoli 6-3 6-1. Julia has won 2 of her last 9 matches against top 10 players.

- Julia's longest losing streak to top 10 players is of 8. It happened between Doha 2007 and Copenhagen 2010 she had only won 1 set in 8 matches (Caroline Wozniacki, Copenhagen).

- Julia is 4-11 against top 5 players and was on a 3 consecutive losing streak up until Dubaď 2012 (l. to Victoria Azarenka (3), Maria Sharapova, Samantha Stosur (1)).

- Julia is 10-30 against top 20 players and has only beaten a top 20 player twice in her last 11 attempts.
From Doha 2007 to Palermo 2010, Julia was on a 14 consecutive losing streak to top 20 players and 28 straight sets lost. It's her biggest losing streak to players ranked between 1-20.

- Julia is 8-4 when she has taken the first set against a top 20 player (6-1 against top 10's). Julia has won her last 6 matches when she has taken the opening set against a top 10 player.

- She is also 2-26 when she has lost the first set against a top 20 player (1-15 against top 10 players).

- Julia is 131-85 to players outside the top 10 and 115-18 when she has won the first set.

- Julia has only won 1 of her last 7 matches to top 10 players on hard and 2 of her last 13. Has only won 4 of 26 sets.

- Since Julia entered the top 20, Richel Hogenkamp (NED) ranked 211 when she qualified for the main draw in Bad Gastein is now the lowest ranked player to whom she has lost to. She lost to her 3-6 6-3 6-3.

- Richel Hogenkamp is also now the lowest ranked player to whom Julia has lost on a WTA tour main draw. The last player was Johanna Larsson in Stockholm 2008 3-6 7-6(5) 6-4 ranked 189 at the time.

Winning/Losing streaks

- Julia's biggest winning streak is of 9 and it occurred on clay between Stuttgart and Madrid. In that streak, she beat 4 top 10 players and lost to 1. The average rank of the opponents she beat was of 47.22.

- Julia's biggest losing streak is of 4 between Bad Gastein 2012 and Carlsbad and all her opponents were lower ranked than her when she lost to them (avg. 68.5).

Other

- Julia is 2-0 against Russians in 2012 and 7-16 lifetime. Julia is 2-12 when she has lost the first set to a Russian player, last win Svetlana Kuznetsova Dubai.

[TO BE CONTINUED]

Vikapower
Jul 8th, 2011, 07:14 PM
Ranking break down

*UPDATED*

http://i.imgur.com/BTn1e.png

Service/Return/BP statistics

http://i.imgur.com/3ukaj.png

Vikapower
Jul 8th, 2011, 07:18 PM
<<Updated : Akgul Amanmuradova, Barbora Zahalova Strykova>>

Names Nat W L T PCT
Agnes Szavay HUN 1 1 2 0,500
Agnieszka Radwanska POL 0 1 1 0,000
Aleksandra Wozniak CAN 3 0 2 1,000
Alizé Cornet FRA 3 0 3 1,000
Ana Ivanovic SRB 1 3 4 0,250
Anabel Medina Guarrigues ESP 3 2 5 0,600
Anastasia Pavlyuchenkova RUS 1 1 1 0,500
Anastasia Pivovarova RUS 1 0 1 1,000
Anastasia Rodionova AUS 2 0 2 1,000
Anastasija Sevastova LAT 2 0 2 1,000
Anastasiya Yakimova BLR 1 1 2 0,500
Andrea Hlavackova CZE 2 0 2 1,000
Andrea Petkovic GER 1 0 1 1,000
Angelique Kerber GER 1 2 1 0,333
Anna Gerasimou GRE 2 0 2 1,000
Arantxa Parra Santonja ESP 1 1 2 0,500
Arantxa Rus NED 0 1 1 0,000
Aravane Rezai FRA 1 0 1 1,000
Ayumi Morita JPN 1 0 1 1,000
Barbora Zahalova Strykova CZE 3 2 3 0,600
Bethanie Mattek Sands USA 1 2 3 0,333
Bojana Jovanovski SRB 0 1 1 0,000
Carla Suarez Navarro ESP 2 1 3 0,667
Caroline Wozniacki DEN 2 2 4 0,500
Casey Dellacqua AUS 1 0 1 1,000
Coco Wandeweghe USA 0 1 1 0,000
Corinna Dentoni ITA 2 0 2 1,000
Dinara Safina RUS 2 1 3 0,667
Dominika Cibulkova SVK 0 1 1 0,000
Edina Gallovits Hall ROU 1 0 1 1,000
Ekaterina Bychkova RUS 1 0 1 1,000
Elena Baltacha GBR 3 1 3 0,750
Elena Vesnina RUS 0 3 3 0,000
Eleni Danilidou GRE 3 0 2 1,000
Eva Birnerova CZE 1 0 1 1,000
Evgenyia Rodina RUS 0 1 1 0,000
Flavia Pennetta ITA 0 1 1 0,000
Garbine Muguroza Blanco ESP 1 0 1 1,000
Greta Arn HUN 2 3 4 0,400
Han Xinyun CHN 0 2 2 0,000
Heather Watson GBR 1 0 1 1,000
Hermoso Ximena ESP 1 0 1 1,000
Ioana Raluca Olaru ROU 1 2 3 0,333
Iveta Benesova CZE 0 1 1 0,000
Jelena Jankovic SRB 1 3 4 0,250
Jie Zheng CHN 0 2 2 0,000
Jill Craybas USA 1 1 2 0,500
Johanna Larsson SWE 1 1 2 0,500
Justine Henin BEL 0 2 2 0,000
Kaia Kanepi EST 2 1 3 0,667
Karin Knapp ITA 0 1 1 0,000
Katarina Srebotnik SLO 2 0 2 1,000
Kateryna Bondarenko UKR 1 1 2 0,500
Kim Clijsters BEL 0 1 1 0,000
Klara Zakopalova CZE 2 2 4 0,500
Kristina Barrois GER 3 0 3 1,000
Ksenia Pervak RUS 0 2 2 0,000
Laura Pou tio ESP 0 2 2 0,000
Lilia Osterloh USA 2 0 2 1,000
Lindsey Davenport USA 0 1 1 0,000
Lucie Hradecka CZE 3 1 3 0,750
Lucie Safarova CZE 2 1 3 0,667
Mandy Minella LUX 2 0 2 1,000
Maria Elena Camerin ITA 2 1 3 0,667
Maria Jose Martinez Sanchez ESP 0 2 2 0,000
Maria Kirilenko RUS 0 2 1 0,000
Maria Sharapova RUS 0 3 3 0,000
Marina Erakovic NZL 0 1 1 0,000
Marion Bartoli FRA 1 2 2 0,333
Mariya Koryttseva UKR 1 0 1 1,000
Martina Caregaro ITA 1 0 1 1,000
Mathilde Johansson FRA 2 0 2 1,000
Melanie Oudin USA 1 1 2 0,500
Melinda Czink HUN 1 0 1 1,000
Michaella Krajicek NED 1 0 1 1,000
Olga Govortsova BLR 1 1 2 0,500
Olivia Sanchez FRA 1 0 1 1,000
Pauline Parmentier FRA 1 0 1 1,000
Petra Cetkovska CZE 1 0 1 1,000
Petra Kvitova CZE 1 0 0 1,000
Petra Martic CRO 1 0 1 1,000
Polona Hercog SLO 2 2 4 0,500
Rebecca Marino CAN 1 0 1 1,000
Richel Hogenkamp NED 0 1 1 0,000
Roberta Vinci ITA 0 1 1 0,000
Romina Oprandi ITA 2 0 1 1,000
Sabine Lisicki GER 1 1 2 0,500
Samantha Stosur AUS 2 1 3 0,666
Sara Errani ITA 1 1 2 0,500
Serena Williams ITA 0 2 2 0,000
Serverine Beltrame FRA 0 2 2 0,000
Sesil Karatantcheva KAZ 1 1 2 0,500
Shahar Peer ISR 2 0 2 1,000
Shuai Peng CHN 0 1 1 0,000
Sloane Stephens USA 0 1 1 0,000
Sofia Arvidsson SWE 1 0 1 1,000
Sorana Cirstea ROU 1 1 2 0,500
Stefanie Vögele SUI 1 1 2 0,500
Svetlana Kuznetsova RUS 0 2 2 0,000
Sybille Bammer AUT 2 0 2 1,000
Tamira Paszek AUT 2 1 3 0,667
Timea Baczinszky SUI 1 1 2 0,500
Urszula Radwanska POL 0 3 3 0,000
Varvara Lepchenko USA 0 2 2 0,000
Vera Dushevina RUS 0 1 1 0,000
Vera Zvonareva RUS 0 1 1 0,000
Victoria Azarenka BLR 1 3 4 0,250
Virgine Razzano FRA 1 0 1 1,000
Yanina Wickmayer BEL 1 4 5 0,200
Yurika Sema JPN 1 0 1 1,000
Zec peskiric Masa SLO 3 0 3 1,000


Total 115 130 109 239 0,544


I. H2H vs. Nations

II. H2H vs. top 10 and ex-top 10 players present in the top 100
III. H2H vs. actual top 10 - Here. (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ar?&hl=fr&id=tPnLfU1OA7T6wKjkd-nBCyg.09088913535980441274.390544223225222677&action=1&tile=0&rpert=20&srow=0&erow=32&scol=0&ecol=6&fprt=false&tfe=yh_154&gsessionid=uZ7tV8VHIrQ)

Vikapower
Jul 8th, 2011, 07:31 PM
Win Loss index

http://i.imgur.com/x5ILd.png

By percentages

Vikapower
Jul 8th, 2011, 07:49 PM
In majors

http://i.imgur.com/wtAv0.png

Details :

In Premier events

http://i.imgur.com/SkS29.png

Details :

In International events

http://i.imgur.com/cWA61.png

Details :

In ITFs

http://i.imgur.com/uXUi4.png

Details :

In Fed Cup

Event Category Surface I/O W L T
Fed Cup 2008 Week 1 H O 0 1 1
Fed Cup 2010 Playoffs C O 0 1 1
Fed Cup 2011 World Group C I 1 1 2
Fed Cup 2011 Playoffs C I 1 0 1
Fed Cup 2012 Week 1 H I 0 1 1

Vikapower
Jul 8th, 2011, 07:54 PM
2005
Win/Loss : 2-7 (0.222)
YE ranking : 1132
Titles : -
Best GS result : -
Best regular tour result : -

2006
Win/Loss : 32-13 (0.711)
YE ranking : 430
Titles : 2
Best GS result : -
Best regular tour result : -
Notable facts :
Won 2 consecutive ITF's (Walhstedt, Bielefeld)
Winning streak of 14 on ITF tour stopped in Erding (F)

2007
Win/Loss : 52-22 (0.702)
YE ranking : 126
Titles : 2
Best GS result : US Open (R128)
Best regular tour result : Stockholm (SF)
Notable facts : -

2008
Win/Loss : 30-24 (0.555)
YE ranking : 108
Titles : 0
Best GS result : Wimbledon (R64)
Best regular tour result : Memphis (QF), Porotoroz (SF)
Notable facts : -

2009
Win/Loss : 36-21 (0.631)
YE ranking : 77
Titles : 1
Best GS result : (R128)
Best regular tour result : Quebec City (SF)
Notable facts :

First etnry in top 100 April 6 2008 (99)


2010
Win/Loss : 36-26 (0.692)
YE ranking : 43
Titles : 2
Best GS result : AO, RG, US Open (R64)
Best regular tour result : Luxembourg (F), Palermo (SF)
Notable facts :

First top 50 debut, July 26 2010, (42)
Wins first WTA regular tour title, Bad Gastein, Timea Baczinski


2011
Win/Loss : 38-25 (0.603)
YE ranking : 21
Titles : 1
Best GS result : All four majors (R32)
Best regular tour result : Madrid (SF)
Notable facts :

First Premier Event title, Stuttgart, Caroline Wozniacki
First win over a reigning #1, Caroline Wozniacki (2)
First German to win Stuttgart since Anke Huber 1994
First top 20 debut, May 9 2011
First SF into a Mandatory event, Victoria Azarenka
Best clay court season 18-7 (0.720)
Failed to defend title in Bad Gastein, Laura Pous-Tio


2012
Win/Loss : 25-17 (0.595)
YE ranking : -
Titles : -
Best GS result : Australian Open (R16)
Best regular tour result : Dubaď (F), GDF Suez (QF)
Notable facts :

First hard-court Premier Event final, Agnieszka Radwanska
First time into a second week of a major, Agnieszka Radwanska
Best result in a Mandatory event on Hard (R16, Miami)
Failed to defend Stuttgart (l. Samantha Stosur [5])
Worst lost to a lower ranked player on a WTA main draw since Stockholm 2008 to Hogenkamp (NED, ranked 211)

Vikapower
Jul 8th, 2011, 07:56 PM
Luxembourg 2010

Total points won : 347/637 (54.47%)
---- Service ----
Aces : 30 (avg. 6)
DFs : 6 (avg. 1.2)
1st. % : 207/304 (68.0)
1st. % W : 150/207 (72.4)
2nd. % W : 48/97 (49.4)
Break-points faced : 7
Break-points saved (%) : 72.0
Service points win (%) : 65.1

---- Return of serve ----
Break-points opportunities : 42
Break-points converted (%) : 42.8

Return points won [%] : 149 [44.7]
1st. return points won [%] : 81 [40.5]
2nd. return points won [%] : 68 [51.1]

---- Games/Sets ----

Sets W/L : 8-3
Games W/L : 58-37 [95 ; 61.0%]
Avg. games W/L : 5.3-3.4



Bad Gastein 2011

Total points won : 416/752 (55.32%)
---- Service ----
Aces : 25 (avg. 5)
DFs : 18 (avg. 3.6)
1st. % : 229/391 (58.5)
1st. % W : 158/229 (69)
2nd. % W : 73/162 (45)
Break-points faced : 36
Break-points saved (%) : 58.3
Service points win (%) : 59

---- Return of serve ----
Break-points opportunities : 48
Break-points converted (%) : 64.5

Return points won [%] : 185 [51.2]
1st. return points won [%] : 92 [45.0]
2nd. return points won [%] : 93 [59.2]

---- Games/Sets ----

Sets W/L : 10-2
Games W/L : 72-42 [114 ; 63.1%]
Avg. games W/L : 6-3.5



Stuttgart 2011

Total points won : 331/624 (53.04%)
---- Service ----
Aces : 18 (avg. 3.6)
DFs : 7 (avg. 1.4)
1st. % : 197/296 (66.5)
1st. % W : 143/197 (72.5)
2nd. % W : 53/99 (53.5)
Break-points faced : 21
Break-points saved (%) : 66.6
Service points win (%) : 66.2

---- Return of serve ----
Break-points opportunities : 31
Break-points converted (%) : 45.1

Return points won [%] : 135 [41.1]
1st. return points won [%] : 76 [34.2]
2nd. return points won [%] : 59 [55.6]

---- Games/Sets ----

Sets W/L : 8-2
Games W/L : 57-42 [99 ; 57.5%]
Avg. games W/L : 5.7-4.2



Dubaď 2012

Total points won : 417/798 (52.25%)
---- Service ----
Aces : 23 (avg. 4.6)
DFs : 12 (avg. 2.4)
1st. % : 254/403 (63)
1st. % W : 165/254 (64.9)
2nd. % W : 71/149 (47.6)
Break-points faced : 42
Break-points saved (%) : 57.1
Service points win (%) : 58.5

---- Return of serve ----
Break-points opportunities : 47
Break-points converted (%) : 46.8

Return points won [%] : 178 [45.0]
1st. return points won [%] : 114 [43.0]
2nd. return points won [%] : 64 [49.2]

---- Games/Sets ----

Sets W/L : 8-4
Games W/L : 66-55 [121 ; 54.5%]
Avg. games W/L : 5.5-4.5

Vikapower
Aug 2nd, 2011, 12:04 AM
Year Matches TP W UE TP Opp W Opp UE opp FE AM SM TP All
2007 US 1st 43 19 32 66 16 13 11 -2 30 109
2009 AO 1st 65 17 33 78 17 30 18 2 35 143
RG 1st 53 22 22 63 22 11 20 20 42 116
Wim 1st 74 31 33 79 10 15 28 26 59 153
US 1st 44 18 26 62 12 18 8 0 26 106
2010 AO 2nd 39 17 36 58 9 11 11 -8 28 97
RG 1st 67 21 4 47 14 12 34 51 55 114
RG 2nd 29 12 20 59 13 4 13 5 25 88
Wim 1st 55 36 25 73 20 9 10 21 46 128
2011 AO 2nd 97 35 44 97 29 45 17 8 52 194
AO 3rd 89 32 32 89 32 32 25 25 57 178
Stuttgart QF 71 26 21 64 24 18 27 32 53 135
Stuttgart SF 100 50 28 94 29 24 26 48 76 194
Stuttgart F 78 38 29 65 9 10 30 39 68 143
Madrid 2nd 98 17 25 96 27 53 28 20 45 194
Madrid 3rd 79 36 38 76 11 21 22 20 58 155
Madrid SF 48 24 37 65 11 13 11 -2 35 113
RG 1st 67 27 24 47 10 27 13 16 40 114
RG 2nd 89 30 34 82 15 29 30 26 60 171
RG 3rd 85 48 30 88 14 17 20 38 68 173
Wim 3rd 78 35 19 73 11 11 32 48 67 151
East 1st 55 16 33 73 19 16 23 6 39 128
Toronto 1st 59 18 16 40 6 21 20 22 38 99
Toronto 2nd 56 20 21 69 18 14 22 21 42 125
US 2nd 61 30 23 40 3 13 18 25 48 101
US 3rd 69 31 44 81 14 19 19 23 50 150
2012 AO 1st 68 2 2 57 0 3 63 63 65 125
AO 2nd 37 15 17 22 2 11 11 9 26 59
AO 3rd 91 47 37 75 21 32 12 22 59 166
AO 4th 22 11 27 50 10 3 8 -8 19 72
Auckland 1st 115 38 62 106 19 51 26 2 64 221
GDF 1st 58 35 16 33 4 15 8 27 43 91
Dubaď 1st 101 31 40 98 19 37 33 24 64 199
Dubaď QF 99 49 27 85 26 24 26 48 75 184
Dubaď SF 94 47 56 93 8 28 19 10 66 187
IW 3rd 69 28 43 55 7 30 11 -4 39 124
IW 4th 37 13 28 55 10 13 11 -4 24 92

68,62 27,62 29,30 69,00 14,62 20,35 20,65 18,97 48,27 137,62
2539 1022 1084 2553 541 753 764 702 1786 5092

Julia's total points
[Winners + Forcing shots + Opponent's unforced]
Winners : 40.12%
Unforced shots : 29.71%
Forced shots : 30.16%
Shot-making : 30.16% of her game

Her opponent's total points
Winners : 21.31%
Unforced shots : 42.07%
Forced shots : 36.61%
Shot-making : 36.61% of their game

How Julia's offense factors
Winners in total points all : 20.05%
Unforced in total points all : 21.04%
Forced errors in total points all : 15.07%


- Forced error, [Total points - (Winners + Opponent's unforced)], illustration of controlled aggressive tennis or controlled aggressive play. In Julia case, her forced error count is much lower than her winner's or/and unforced count in average which means she relies on a riskier game to win her matches. Considering the fact that Julia takes charge of the game winners/unforced, her opponents relies thus more on forcing her into error if they can't answer her aggressive style with the same, 36.61% of their games.

- Aggressive margin, [(Forcing shots + Winners) - Unforced] margin of points won by Julia with her aggressive plays/sequences. Can show how good she is with her offensive play and at ending points with a successful out-come.

- Shot-making, [Winners + Forcing shots] quantity of winning shots Julia strikes by match.

[To be continued]

Vikapower
Feb 28th, 2012, 06:17 PM
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Vikapower
Feb 28th, 2012, 06:51 PM
**

mk27
Feb 29th, 2012, 04:47 PM
Great work Vikapower :yeah:

I've found some slight mistakes

2010
Best regular tour result : Quebec City (SF)


That was 2009. ;)
In 2010 her best tour results were: Bad Gastein (Win), Luxembourg (Final) and Palermo (SF)


2011

Best clay court season 14-3 (0.823)



I think it was 18-7
Fed Cup (both ties were on clay) 2-1
Bogota 1-1
Acapulco 1-1
Charleston 3-1
Stuttgart 5-0
Madrid 4-1
RG 2-1
Bad Gastein 0-1

Vikapower
Feb 29th, 2012, 09:21 PM
Great work Vikapower :yeah:

I've found some slight mistakes



That was 2009. ;)
In 2010 her best tour results were: Bad Gastein (Win), Luxembourg (Final) and Palermo (SF)

Corrected -- If there are any other things... ;) I'm trying to find other notable facts for Julia, some other special other achievements lol didn't have much time I'll search that again.

I think it was 18-7
Fed Cup (both ties were on clay) 2-1
Bogota 1-1
Acapulco 1-1
Charleston 3-1
Stuttgart 5-0
Madrid 4-1
RG 2-1
Bad Gastein 0-1

:lol: Yes indeed, I completely forgot to count Fed Cup -- also I forgot she had played Bogota and Acapulco too. :angel:

selesia
Mar 2nd, 2012, 01:23 AM
You are doing the great work @Vikapower :worship:
Appearances in the Grand Slam still on minus - She just has to win RG :smoke:


Since Pavlyuchenkova didn't defend the title from Monterrey and don't play this week...

http://www.smilies.4-user.de/include/New_Year/smilie_new_063.gif
I am pleased to announce, on Monday 5th March 2012 Julia Görges will reach
the new CAREER-HIGH SINGLES Rank = 15 !!!
http://www.smilies.4-user.de/include/Sport/smilie_sp_107.gif http://www.smilies.4-user.de/include/Sport/smilie_sp_107.gif http://www.smilies.4-user.de/include/Sport/smilie_sp_107.gif




From happiness every fan of Julia will learn how to do her split from Paris http://www.smilies.4-user.de/include/Bananen/smilie_ban_001.gif

Dispeker
Mar 2nd, 2012, 04:17 PM
You are doing the great work @Vikapower :worship:

+1

Must have taken you ages to do this.

Vikapower
Mar 2nd, 2012, 05:36 PM
Thanks Silesia :lol:

Dispeker, actually no :lol: but it was though finding the sync/organisation to keep getting everything right :lol: this what took me ages lol

Vikapower
Mar 27th, 2012, 04:24 PM
For those wondering I will update the thread Saturday or Sunday -- don't worry. :lol:

Julia's ranking doesn't change that much from last Monday, so I'll just change the date.

I finally found a way to calculate Julia's 1st. % points won on first serves and 2nd. % points won on second serves. It was so freaking evident but I was searching way too far. :facepalm:

I hope the numbers will be kind of similar/close the WTA's because I'm basing on match stat. :oh:

jul99
Apr 3rd, 2012, 01:50 AM
mk27:

Julia Görges
Total points: 2785

Grand Slams
Australian Open GS 29.01.12 4.R 280
US Open GS 11.09.11 3.R 160
Wimbledon GS 03.07.11 3.R 160
Roland Garros GS 06.06.11 3.R 160

Other Mandatory
Madrid PM 08.05.11 SF 450
Indian Wells PM 18.03.12 3.R 140
Beijing PM 09.10.11 1.R 5
Miami PM 01.04.12 1.R 5

Best of Other Countable Tournaments
Stuttgart P 24.04.11 W 470
Dubai P 26.02.12 F 320
Luxembourg IS 23.10.11 SF 130
Tokyo P5 02.10.11 3.R 125
Paris P 12.02.12 QF 120
Charleston P 10.04.11 QF 120
Doha P5 19.02.12 2.R 70
Seoul IS 25.09.11 QF 70

Non-Countable Tournaments
Toronto P5 14.08.11 2.R 70
Dallas IS 27.08.11 2.R 30
Auckland IS 07.01.12 2.R 30
Linz IS 16.10.11 2.R 30
Sydney P 14.01.12 1.R 1
Cincinnati P5 21.08.11 1.R 1
Carlsbad P 07.08.11 1.R 1
Stanford P 31.07.11 1.R 1
Bad Gastein IS 17.07.11 1.R 1
Eastbourne P 18.06.11 1.R 1

Rovegun
Apr 4th, 2012, 09:35 PM
so will Julia lose 50 points if I count well?

selesia
Apr 5th, 2012, 02:53 PM
yep, toronto will in.

Vikapower
Apr 5th, 2012, 03:57 PM
so will Julia lose 50 points if I count well?

She loses 90 points, she is actually at 2785 (with Charleston) and will be at 2695 (after Charleston and Auckland who becomes her 16th. best ; 120 - 30 = 90). ;)

Rovegun
Apr 5th, 2012, 04:31 PM
She loses 90 points, she is actually at 2785 (with Charleston) and will be at 2695 (after Charleston and Auckland who becomes her 16th. best ; 120 - 30 = 90). ;)

why? I don´t get it because Toronto is her 16th best result in my opinion...

Vikapower
Apr 5th, 2012, 04:45 PM
why? I don´t get it because Toronto is her 16th best result in my opinion...

This week her 16th. best result is Seoul, Toronto whichever it's the same you're right but the rankings are for next week after Charleston is over --

Charleston will come off her points and will not be counted anymore so another tournament will replace it and her best 16th. result becomes her latest performance in 2012, Auckland.


EDIT : :lol: In fact, I'm sorry I put wrong the date that's why it was confusing. :facepalm: The rankings I put last Sunday was for this coming Monday 9th. not the 3rd. :silly:

Rovegun
Apr 5th, 2012, 04:52 PM
now I am much more confused than I was before :lol:

selesia
Apr 5th, 2012, 04:56 PM
She will have 2735 points next week. Toronto will be in. I don't know what Vikapower is talking about, any misunderstanding :shrug:

selesia
Apr 5th, 2012, 04:58 PM
Look here. it's the same:

http://www.tennisforum.com/showpost.php?p=20688789&postcount=2

selesia
Apr 5th, 2012, 05:15 PM
I know, Vikapower you have a mistake in your 'Ranking break down'. There is not Doha with 70 points in it. Mk27' ranking is with Doha...

mk27
Apr 5th, 2012, 05:29 PM
Ranking break down

*UPDATED*

As of April 9th. 2012

http://i.imgur.com/MgiiG.png

The Doha points (70) are missing here. ;)

Vikapower
Apr 7th, 2012, 07:15 PM
The Doha points (70) are missing here. ;)

I know, Vikapower you have a mistake in your 'Ranking break down'. There is not Doha with 70 points in it. Mk27' ranking is with Doha...

:lol: Oops, yes that's true -- :wavey: Thanks guys fixed.

She will have 2735 points next week. Toronto will be in. I don't know what Vikapower is talking about, any misunderstanding :shrug:

The ranking breakdown was wrong/incomplete, I was confusing Rovegun with it :lol: well sorry for that. ;)

Rovegun
Apr 7th, 2012, 10:24 PM
:lol: Oops, yes that's true -- :wavey: Thanks guys fixed.

The ranking breakdown was wrong/incomplete, I was confusing Rovegun with it :lol: well sorry for that. ;)

no problem mate ;) so does she lose only 50 points? :D

Vikapower
Apr 7th, 2012, 11:04 PM
no problem mate ;) so does she lose only 50 points? :D

Yes that's right, she only loses 50 points next week. :) A win in Barcelona should give her 210 points.

robpal
Apr 8th, 2012, 10:15 AM
A win in Barcelona should give her 210 points.You see the future in bright colors ;)

Vikapower
Apr 13th, 2012, 12:58 AM
I've added another section referencing Julia's winners/unforced errors (WTA tour + majors) -- I haven't typed all yet though. ;) I'll see if I can add some indicators...

Like always contributions are welcomed. :yeah:

selesia
Apr 16th, 2012, 01:59 AM
With the tournaments moving in the Olympic year, Stuttgart will fly out of the WTA rankings after Fed Cup, so we can see how Julia's ranks looks without her great Victory. She will be currently the 21st. The decrease of 5 positions - from 16 to 21. So is not so bad :p :D Now, what she'll win in Stuttgart is in her favor !
http://www.tennisforum.com/showpost.php?p=20688789&postcount=2

(Soon naturally Madrid will fall out)

Thanks Vikapower. I don't know where you got all these details. Is there a site in Internet with informations about unforced errors and winners in concrete matches in the past ??

Vikapower
Apr 16th, 2012, 06:40 PM
With the tournaments moving in the Olympic year, Stuttgart will fly out of the WTA rankings after Fed Cup, so we can see how Julia's ranks looks without her great Victory. She will be currently the 21st. The decrease of 5 positions - from 16 to 21. So is not so bad :p :D Now, what she'll win in Stuttgart is in her favor !
http://www.tennisforum.com/showpost.php?p=20688789&postcount=2

(Soon naturally Madrid will fall out)

:yeah: Stuttgart was played the 18th of April last year, I totally forgot that anyways doesn't make much difference hopefully Julia will do something in Stuttgart.

Thanks Vikapower. I don't know where you got all these details. Is there a site in Internet with informations about unforced errors and winners in concrete matches in the past ??

:lol: Well I wish there was unfortunately not -- for the WTA tour it's my 'personal collection' if I can say so of her post-match statistics made from captions.

I will upload them to imageur and post a link so that you all can check them out. :yeah:

For the majors, you can check out matchstat (http://matchstat.com/) for the winners/unforced statistic but also that's where I take all the serving statistics (aces, Dfs, return on first serve % etc.) -- :lol: I admit there's a lot of typing etc. to do because must take opponents and Julia together to get the (%) return on first/second serves for example.

:lol: I don't guaranty you of the veracity of matchstat's numbers because I often don't fall pin point with the WTA's count but it's really not a big difference, generally +/-0.02~0.05% in average difference so it does not really harm.

---

As for the very first section (http://www.tennisforum.com/showpost.php?p=19867912&postcount=1), I created a complex database with Microsoft Access where I can question about specific facts about Julia.

Rovegun
Apr 16th, 2012, 09:09 PM
good to know Julia won´t fall so deeply... hopefully she will do well in Stuttgart then to get some points back...

Vikapower
Apr 17th, 2012, 12:59 PM
good to know Julia won´t fall so deeply... hopefully she will do well in Stuttgart then to get some points back...

Yeah 21 is not bad especially considering that the surrounding girls for most aren't really in tennis form right now (Jankovic etc.) -- so she can quickly come back on top.

Also, Julia has the advantage of not having played Rome last year so she can take many points in this Premier 5 event to rebuild her ranking and/or seeding for Roland-Garros.

Rovegun
Apr 17th, 2012, 02:46 PM
Yeah 21 is not bad especially considering that the surrounding girls for most aren't really in tennis form right now (Jankovic etc.) -- so she can quickly come back on top.

Also, Julia has the advantage of not having played Rome last year so she can take many points in this Premier 5 event to rebuild her ranking and/or seeding for Roland-Garros.

hopefully she will take at least half of points in Stuttgart back but as you said she didn´t play Rome last year so there´s another big challenge to gain other points into the rankings...

selesia
Apr 30th, 2012, 08:14 PM
Vikapower has holidays. So temporarily I give the rbd made by MK27.
Situation at 30.04.2012 :


Julia Görges
Total points: 2335

Grand Slams
Australian Open GS 29.01.12 4.R 280
US Open GS 11.09.11 3.R 160
Wimbledon GS 03.07.11 3.R 160
Roland Garros GS 06.06.11 3.R 160

Other Mandatory
Madrid PM 08.05.11 SF 450
Indian Wells PM 18.03.12 3.R 140
Beijing PM 09.10.11 1.R 5
Miami PM 01.04.12 1.R 5

Best of Other Countable Tournaments
Dubai P 26.02.12 F 320
Luxembourg IS 23.10.11 SF 130
Tokyo P5 02.10.11 3.R 125
Paris P 12.02.12 QF 120
Barcelona IS 15.04.12 QF 70
Doha P5 19.02.12 2.R 70
Seoul IS 25.09.11 QF 70
Toronto P5 14.08.11 2.R 70

Non-Countable Tournaments
Stuttgart P 29.04.12 2.R 60
Dallas IS 27.08.11 2.R 30
Auckland IS 07.01.12 2.R 30
Linz IS 16.10.11 2.R 30
Sydney P 14.01.12 1.R 1
Cincinnati P5 21.08.11 1.R 1
Carlsbad P 07.08.11 1.R 1
Stanford P 31.07.11 1.R 1
Bad Gastein IS 17.07.11 1.R 1
Eastbourne P 18.06.11 1.R 1


OG qualification [by guichard]:


18 Hantuchova SVK2 2090
19 Vinci ITA2 1990
20 Jankovic SERB2 1977
21 Goerges GER4 1815
22 Safarova CZE2 1796
23 Niculescu ROU1 1733
24 Errani ITA3 1710
-----------------------------------------------
25 Cetkovska CZE3 1688

Cetkovska and Errani are playing this week.

Vikapower
May 1st, 2012, 04:35 PM
^^ :lol: Thanks, in fact I wasn't having really holidays. :angel: I was just waiting for a good time to update things --

selesia
May 3rd, 2012, 03:46 AM
^^
So... it wasn't good time propably :p Because You passed Stuttgart with 60 points ;)The state on May 7 will be 1945 points (Stuttgart for Madrid).
She will be propably on the 25th position next monday... Depending on the finish Errani and Cetkovska in tourneys this week. The challenge now is only to gain points... Most important results have been deducted. There is nothing to lose already.

Vikapower
May 3rd, 2012, 03:40 PM
^^
So... it wasn't good time propably :p Because You passed Stuttgart with 60 points ;)The state on May 7 will be 1945 points (Stuttgart for Madrid).
She will be propably on the 25th position next monday... Depending on the finish Errani and Cetkovska in tourneys this week. The challenge now is only to gain points... Most important results have been deducted. There is nothing to lose already.

:lol: Yes true :scratch: Though I don't quite understand why she'd be at 1945 points ?

Actually Madrid or any of the 4 other compulsory tournaments (Majors + Mandatory) are not replaceable by the other non obligatory ones.

I hope I said it right :unsure:

Vikapower
May 3rd, 2012, 03:45 PM
:sad: Yes, I hope Julia will be able to rebuild her ranking -- she has points to take in Madrid and Rome actually but the top 20 seed for RG doesn't really look too promising --

Also she has Brussels but have no idea if she'd be keen to play an event before RG. :unsure:

selesia
May 3rd, 2012, 08:02 PM
I was sure that the May 7 Stuttgart replaces Madrid (and then the next week Madrid will come back), but after reading your post somehow lost my confidence :lol:

We'll see on Monday on WTA site :D

I am also surprised with Brussels, I think maybe it's only a protection when Madrid and Rome will go wrong :shrug:

selesia
May 3rd, 2012, 11:56 PM
Here is a page with the expected ranking: http://tenismaclari.com/Siralama/s1_50.html

Anyway it'll be only temporary ranking for 1 week, after Madrid there will be big changes :p

ps: Errani :mad:

Vikapower
May 4th, 2012, 01:02 PM
I was sure that the May 7 Stuttgart replaces Madrid (and then the next week Madrid will come back), but after reading your post somehow lost my confidence :lol:

We'll see on Monday on WTA site :D

I am also surprised with Brussels, I think maybe it's only a protection when Madrid and Rome will go wrong :shrug:

Here is a page with the expected ranking: http://tenismaclari.com/Siralama/s1_50.html

Anyway it'll be only temporary ranking for 1 week, after Madrid there will be big changes :p

ps: Errani :mad:

:unsure: I'm not sure but there rankings do have a problem -- or maybe there's a rule I'm not aware of ?


TBH I don't if she plays Brussels -- it wouldn't be a bad idea since it's only a Premier only it's played like a week/couple days before RG so I don't really know if Julia is really keen to that -- :shrug:

I just hope she does her best in Madrid and Rome -- anyways her ranking can't be any worse right now and from now on she has only points to gain, Rome etc. but even at RG with 4th round or QF who knows. ;)

selesia
May 7th, 2012, 03:50 PM
Currently, I completely don't understand what is happening here :confused:
These rankings show, that Julia in few last days lost 85 points in O. Race.
This should be the one-year ranking till 11 June 2012, so it never included Madrid 2011 :shrug:
Why and where she lost 85 points ???

Olympia-Race

Predictable As of May 7 (by guichard)

NAME COUNTRY POINTS
1 Azarenka BLR1 8220
2 Radwanska A POL1 6590
3 Sharapova RUS1 6460
4 Kvitova CZE 1 6140
5 Stosur AUS1 5205
6 Williams S US1 4300
7 Bartoli FRA1 4205
8 Wozniacki DEN 4097
9 Zvonareva RUS2 3515
10 Kerber GER1 3140
11 Ivanovic SERB1 2795
12 Lisciki GER2 2763
13 Cibulkova SVK1 2491
14 Petkovic GER3 2421
15 Pennetta ITA1 2205
16 Kirilenko RUS3 2185
17 Li Na CHN1 2156
18 Hantuchova SVK2 2090
19 Vinci ITA2 2090
20 Jankovic SERB2 1977
21 ERRANI ITA3 1960
22 Goerges GER4 1815
23 Kanepi EST 1815
24 Safarova CZE2 1796
------------------------------------------------
------------------------------------------------
25 Cetkovska CZE3 1740
26 Niculescu ROU1 1733
27 Petrova RUS4 1698
28 Zheng CHN2 1646
29 Peng CHN3 1596
30 Schiavone ITA4 1537
31 Medina ESP1 1510
32 Mchale USA2 1479
33 Barthel GER5 1474

Current - Status after 1st round of Madrid (by Tennis Observer):


PLAYER Points

01.Victoria Azarenka (BLR) 7,900
02.Maria Sharapova (RUS) 6,540
03.Agnieszka Radwańska (POL) 6,430
04.Petra Kvitová (CZE) 5,815
05.Samantha Stosur (AUS) 5,105
06.Serena Williams (USA) 4,300
07.Marion Bartoli (FRA) (doesn't participate)
08.Caroline Wozniacki (DEN) 4,146
09.Vera Zvonereva (RUS) 3,280
10.Angelique Kerber (GER) 3,170
11.Ana Ivanović (SRB) 2,785
12.Sabine Lisicki (GER) 2,761
13.Dominika Cibulková (SVK) 2,465
14.Andrea Petković (GER) 2,421
15.Na Li (CHN) 2,235
16.Maria Kirilenko (RUS) 2,195
17.Flavia Pennetta (ITA) 2,145
18.Roberta Vinci (ITA) 2,100
19.Jelena Janković (SRB) 1,975
20.Daniela Hantuchová (SVK) 1,950
21Kaia Kanepi (EST) 1,815
22.Sara Errani (ITA) 1,790
23.Nadia Petrova (RUS) 1,776
24.Lucie Šafářová (CZE) 1,765
----------------------------------------------------
----------------------------------------------------
25.Julia Görges (GER) 1,730
26.Petra Cetkovská (CZE) 1,730
27.Monica Niculescu (ROU) 1,700
28.Jie Zheng (CHN) 1,630
29.Shuai Peng (CHN) 1,565
30.Christina McHale (USA) 1,550
31.Francesca Schiavone (ITA) 1,540
32.Anabel Medina Garrigues (ESP) 1,530
33.Mona Barthel (GER) 1,506

SidTheKid
May 7th, 2012, 03:51 PM
So there are really 2 rankings.One for Olympics one for normal WTA.But if Madrid doesn´t count where are 85 points? :cnofused.

mk27
May 7th, 2012, 04:05 PM
The problem is that Madrid is mandatory, so you can only count 14 tournaments from Eastbourne/s'Hertogenbosch 2011 to now
+ Madrid points 2012
+ Roland Garros points 2012

I think that guichard has already counted 16 tournaments in his race.

selesia
May 7th, 2012, 05:00 PM
Ok, Danke :)

From my calculations "Tennis Observer" makes the current ranking. He counts points on an ongoing basis and will end at June 11, 2012.

Race by "guichard" has no Madrid yet (mandatory shit), only contains still Stuttgart with 60 points and Auckland/Dallas with 30. It's more a predictable ranking or I don't know how to call it.

So, as for today:

The Olympic race


PLAYER Points

01.Victoria Azarenka (BLR) 7,900
02.Maria Sharapova (RUS) 6,540
03.Agnieszka Radwańska (POL) 6,430
04.Petra Kvitová (CZE) 5,815
05.Samantha Stosur (AUS) 5,105
06.Serena Williams (USA) 4,300
07.Marion Bartoli (FRA) (doesn't participate)
08.Caroline Wozniacki (DEN) 4,146
09.Vera Zvonereva (RUS) 3,280
10.Angelique Kerber (GER) 3,170
11.Ana Ivanović (SRB) 2,785
12.Sabine Lisicki (GER) 2,761
13.Dominika Cibulková (SVK) 2,465
14.Andrea Petković (GER) 2,421
15.Na Li (CHN) 2,235
16.Maria Kirilenko (RUS) 2,195
17.Flavia Pennetta (ITA) 2,145
18.Roberta Vinci (ITA) 2,100
19.Jelena Janković (SRB) 1,975
20.Daniela Hantuchová (SVK) 1,950
21Kaia Kanepi (EST) 1,815
22.Sara Errani (ITA) 1,790
23.Nadia Petrova (RUS) 1,776
24.Lucie Šafářová (CZE) 1,765
================================================== ====
25.Julia Görges (GER) 1,730
26.Petra Cetkovská (CZE) 1,730
27.Monica Niculescu (ROU) 1,700
28.Jie Zheng (CHN) 1,630
29.Shuai Peng (CHN) 1,565
30.Christina McHale (USA) 1,550
31.Francesca Schiavone (ITA) 1,540
32.Anabel Medina Garrigues (ESP) 1,530
33.Mona Barthel (GER) 1,506

mk27
May 7th, 2012, 06:41 PM
Cetkovska has won the 2nd round match, that means Julia is now only at #26 in the Olympic Race.
She really needs some very good results in Rome, Brussels or in Paris.


And she has to look at Mona Barthel. Because if she is able to pass her in the rankings and Petkovic could start in London, which is doubtful at the moment, there will be no chance for Julia to qualify for London.

selesia
May 15th, 2012, 04:59 PM
The Olympic Race as for today:


PLAYERS Points

01.Victoria Azarenka (BLR) 8,520
02.Agnieszka Radwańska (POL) 6,800
03.Maria Sharapova (RUS) 6,710
04.Petra Kvitová (CZE) 5,895
05.Serena Williams (USA) 5,300
06.Samantha Stosur (AUS) 5,275
07.Caroline Wozniacki (DEN) 4,206
08.Marion Bartoli (FRA) NOT
09.Vera Zvonereva (RUS) 3,280
10.Angelique Kerber (GER) 3,230
11.Ana Ivanović (SRB) 2,855
12.Sabine Lisicki (GER) 2,692
13.Andrea Petković (GER) 2,421
14.Dominika Cibulková (SVK) 2,406
15.Na Li (CHN) 2,405
16.Maria Kirilenko (RUS) 2,195
17.Roberta Vinci (ITA) 2,160
18.Flavia Pennetta (ITA) 2,145
19.Jelena Janković (SRB) 1,980
20.Daniela Hantuchová (SVK) 1,950
21.Sara Errani (ITA) 1,950
22.Lucie Šafářová (CZE) 1,905
23.Kaia Kanepi (EST) 1,820
24.Petra Cetkovská (CZE) 1,790
------------------------------------------------------
------------------------------------------------------
25.Nadia Petrova (RUS) 1,776
26.Julia Görges (GER) 1,730
27.Monica Niculescu (ROU) 1,700
28.Jie Zheng (CHN) 1,630
29.Anabel Medina Garrigues (ESP) 1,620
30.Christina McHale (USA) 1,590
31.Shuai Peng (CHN) 1,570
32.Francesca Schiavone (ITA) 1,540
33.Anastasia Pavlyuchenkova (RUS) 1,521
34.Mona Barthel (GER) 1,506


Rome and Brussels are good opportunities to attack ;)

Vikapower
Jun 11th, 2012, 02:16 PM
Ok, I will update the thread after Bad Gastein to close the clay season. :yeah:

maturedgirl
Jun 13th, 2012, 07:31 AM
http://www.wtatennis.com/news/20120612/ids-serve-speed-leaders_2256076_1978722

Her serve is not the problem. Nice statistics.
Will probably change after the grass tournaments but I yet like it :)

Three germans in the top10 2012!

HowardH
Oct 30th, 2012, 02:35 PM
http://www.wtatennis.com/SEWTATour-Archive/Rankings_Stats/match_stats.pdf

KleineBiere's stats thread for all players who played 15 or more wta matches this year makes interesting reading. http://www.tennisforum.com/showthread.php?t=470442

Julia is third on the ace count list for the wta. http://www.tennisforum.com/showpost.php?p=22405892&postcount=7

Serena tops the aces, second serves percentage won, serving games percentage won, break points saved categories, not surprisingly.

You can see that the first serve percentage is the most overrated stat, as I have always said. Note that almost all of the top percentage servers have weak serves, and also note that even these servers usually do not average over 70% first serves in. That's why I always say that Julia should aim to serve between 55-65% first serves in. At her speed anything over 60% is a good percentage. Julia's current average of 58% is not too bad, Serena is at 59%.

Although several people round to the same percentage I will assume that KleineBiere has listed the players in the correct order in the lists.

Julia is 9th on aces per 100 serves, averaging 6.2 aces per 100 (Serena averages 15.5).

She drops to 18th place when we look at first serve points won. 15th place for second serves won.

She appears to be 18th for serve points won. About 30th for break points saved.

On the other hand she seems to be 75th for returns points won against first serve and 73rd for points won against second serve, as well as 75th for overall return points won :help:. 72nd for return games won. 48th for break point conversion.

Her return game is quite a problem area.

That's why it's disastrous for her if her serve is not working. But her serve is very effective when it's on. Judging from her aces compared to break points saved it seems she is not that good at landing good serves at crucial moments even though her overall percentage of first serves in is not very different from Serena's.

Dispeker
Oct 30th, 2012, 05:04 PM
http://www.wtatennis.com/SEWTATour-Archive/Rankings_Stats/match_stats.pdf

KleineBiere's stats thread for all players who played 15 or more wta matches this year makes interesting reading. http://www.tennisforum.com/showthread.php?t=470442

Julia is third on the ace count list for the wta. http://www.tennisforum.com/showpost.php?p=22405892&postcount=7

Serena tops the aces, second serves percentage won, serving games percentage won, break points saved categories, not surprisingly.

You can see that the first serve percentage is the most overrated stat, as I have always said. Note that almost all of the top percentage servers have weak serves, and also note that even these servers usually do not average over 70% first serves in. That's why I always say that Julia should aim to serve between 55-65% first serves in. At her speed anything over 60% is a good percentage. Julia's current average of 58% is not too bad, Serena is at 59%.

Although several people round to the same percentage I will assume that KleineBiere has listed the players in the correct order in the lists.

Julia is 9th on aces per 100 serves, averaging 6.2 aces per 100 (Serena averages 15.5).

She drops to 18th place when we look at first serve points won. 15th place for second serves won.

She appears to be 18th for serve points won. About 30th for break points saved.

On the other hand she seems to be 75th for returns points won against first serve and 73rd for points won against second serve, as well as 75th for overall return points won :help:. 72nd for return games won. 48th for break point conversion.

Her return game is quite a problem area.

That's why it's disastrous for her if her serve is not working. But her serve is very effective when it's on. Judging from her aces compared to break points saved it seems she is not that good at landing good serves at crucial moments even though her overall percentage of first serves in is not very different from Serena's.

It always has been (unfortunately) :shrug: Though I'd like to know whether she has improved here since Beijing. I'd guess so.

HowardH
Oct 30th, 2012, 10:51 PM
It always has been (unfortunately) :shrug: Though I'd like to know whether she has improved here since Beijing. I'd guess so.

Even if she is not a particularly "gifted" returner I would hope that she could at least improve her return stats on second serves. Since she has long swings she may struggle to become a really good returner of first serves but at least the opponent should be scared of giving her a second serve. That would make quite a big difference I think. Clearly there will be enough time for her to take a swing on the second serve most of the time, I guess she has been making mistakes too often.

I don't know whether the stats have improved since Beijing but I suspect so. If you asked KleineBiere he or she could probably tell you.

Dispeker
Nov 2nd, 2012, 03:24 PM
When I joined TF there was a lot of discussion going on in this forum about all sorts of statstic stuff. I've always found it interesting but sadly it has become a whole lot less over the last couple months - mainly, I think, because Vikapower isn't that active around here anymore. So I try to put some life back into this thread (Well, Howard made a start already ;)).

What I find annoying about match statistics is that they don't show the number of Forced Errors (FE). For a player like Julia this is an important figure because it further highlights how many points she actually won by aggressive play. In pretty much all statistics, however, you'll only find a winner (W) and unforced error (UE) count (apart from serve % information). The W/UE ratio is supposed to show then whether a match was good (>0) or bad (<0) - which is quite useless IMO.

Thankfully Vikapower added the FEs for Julia's matches - and not only that, he also added the aggressive margin (AM) (at least used to do it until April 2012). The AM now combines all W, FE and UE into a single index ((W+FE)-UE) - see also here (http://www.tennisforum.com/showpost.php?p=19989810&postcount=9)). It basically shows the "effectivity" of the game of an aggressive player (like Julia) during a match.

No doubt, the AM is a lot more informative than the W/UE ratio. However, as the latter, it isn't very specific. It's perfectly possible that you get the same AM number for a match score of 6-2 6-2 and, say, 6-1 1-6 6-1. So, the problem is that it can't tell you anything about what actually happened in a match.

You get a more detailed picture when you look at the AM for each game. I did that for 2 matches of Julia (against Rezai and Arvidsson - both 2012) though it was quite time-consuming..

Anyway, for the Arvidsson match the result looked like this:

http://i.imgur.com/VQlCp.png?6201

There are 2 x-axes - the upper one is showing the number of games, the lower one the score for each game. On the y-axis I put the AM (-5 to 5)

The red line illustrates Julia's AM per game.
The yellow line shows Arvidsson's AM per game (only shown for the 2nd set).
The magenta line is basically a more detailed version of the red line for a single game.

An AM per game > 0 means that the player played her game pretty effectively.
An AM per game < 0 means the opposite (of course :)).

So, what do we actually see here? When we look at the 1st set we see that Julia was able to put on a quite dominant performance. There is a slump in the 2nd game but after that her level of play stayed high. The AM never dropped below 1. Well, actually it did shortly in the 7th game - and this is what I highlighted with the magenta line:

What happened in that game? Up until 30-30 both players took turns at hitting UEs which resulted in an AM of -2 (in this case for each player). Arvidsson won the next point (FE) which gave her the chance to break. Now Julia not only saved that BP with a winner, she also won 3 of the next 4 points by either a FE or a winner and eventually converted her 2nd setpoint (equated to an AM of 3). The important thing to note here is IMO: When she faced a bp she was able to stay focussed and to win point by point through aggressive play. You could see this as a clear sign of mental strength.

Just to make things clear: While the red line for the 7th game indicates a throughout solid display from Julia (AM=1), the "reality" (magenta line) looked a bit different: First part of the game was weak (AM=-2), second part was really strong (AM=3) (The sum of AM -2 + 3 = 1 is again reflected in the red line).


In the 2nd set Julia was able to keep her momentum. She broke Arvidsson in the 1st game and had a love game right after that.

In the beginning of the 3rd game she continued to play very dominantly. She hit 2 winners and a FE to earn herself 2 BPs. However, she couldn't convert any of them, hitting two UEs instead. Now the momentum was gone. Arvidsson eventually held after Julia hit another 3 UEs.

In the 4th game she still couldn't find her rhythm. She made 3 UEs in a row and faced 3 BPs at 0-40. At this point, however, she made a strong comeback saving all 3 BPs (with 2 winners and 1 FE). She eventually held serve for 3-1.

Julia now gained momentum again but so did Arvidsson. Until this point the match had been all about Julia. Arvidsson barely had hit any winners, FEs (or UEs) during the 1st set and the beginning of the 2nd set. That changed with the 5th game. Arvidsson suddenly played also more aggressively and she did well. The yellow chart is reflecting this. One could say the overall quality of the match improved in the middle of the 2nd set with both players hitting more winners and FEs than UEs. The exception is obviously the 7th game but IMO Julia just tanked this one to save energy for the rest of the match. The quality remained high until the last game when Arvidsson seemed to have given up.

Vikapower
Nov 2nd, 2012, 06:02 PM
^^ :yeah: Very nice work Dispeker -- :lol: unfortunately I haven't had much time for this thread but I will bring an update hopefully on Sunday. :yeah:

:lol: Dispeker ; I answer some points of your post on Sunday too. ;)

Dispeker
Mar 2nd, 2013, 02:07 PM
Finally found the time to analyze the match against Errani (Dubai 2013).

- AM/game = red line

- Julia's service game = yellow background


http://i.imgur.com/kIUIut3.png?1?3090

1 set:

W = 11
FE = 6
UE = 27
AM = -10

http://i.imgur.com/G94Hdjo.png

2nd set:

W = 14
FE = 7
UE = 26
AM = -5

http://i.imgur.com/aX354rX.png

3rd set:

W = 22
FE = 4
UE = 33
AM = -7

http://i.imgur.com/Ta2fjtu.png?1?3552

Whole match:

W = 47
FE = 17
UE = 86
AM = -22

I'll comment on that later.

kadiHH
Mar 2nd, 2013, 05:57 PM
Thanks Dispeker, for the great analysis of this match: a picture that is worth a thousand words. I've always wondered to what extent this sort of analysis plays in the post-match evaluation a player such as Julia has with her coach. I have to say that if the whole match chart were an electrocardiogram reading, this patient is in vfib with cardiac arrest imminent!

Dispeker
Mar 3rd, 2013, 03:28 PM
Thanks Dispeker, for the great analysis of this match: a picture that is worth a thousand words. I've always wondered to what extent this sort of analysis plays in the post-match evaluation a player such as Julia has with her coach. I have to say that if the whole match chart were an electrocardiogram reading, this patient is in vfib with cardiac arrest imminent!

Nice comparison :lol: Well, there's actually not much to say about it. During the whole match she was hitting a lot more UEs than W and FEs. That means she was unable to play her aggressive style of play effectively for most parts of the match. Especially in the beginning it was an abysmal performance, as you can see. It got better immediately after Nensel told her at 1-4 to move better. Unfortunately Julia couldn't sustain that level of play and consequently lost the set.
In the 2nd she was able to raise her game a bit and it was enough to win this set. During the 3rd then her level of play alternated between good/solid (when serving) and really bad (when receiving). Why was that? An explanation could be that the average rally length during Errani's service games got longer in the last set. It's striking how Julia struggled to cope with her in those longer rallies*. She lost 70% of these (30/43). Errani actually didn't do much here, just kept hitting the ball on Julia's backhand side and waited until she got impatient and hit the UE..

Well, we know she can play much better than that. Let's hope she can show that again in her next tournaments.



*I defined it as a rally with more than 6 shots.

KatjaS
Mar 3rd, 2013, 04:30 PM
Thanks for the statistics. That 2-3 game in the 3rd set (AM: -1) was when she decided to attack Errani's serve and dominated a return game, even though she ultimately didn't break her. I still don't understand why she didn't try that again after that.

kadiHH
Mar 3rd, 2013, 06:02 PM
Thanks for the statistics. That 2-3 game in the 3rd set (AM: -1) was when she decided to attack Errani's serve and dominated a return game, even though she ultimately didn't break her. I still don't understand why she didn't try that again after that.
Right--which again begs the question: does she do a post-match analysis with Nensel reviewing the statistics and point by point review of the video? Now this is a question I would like to hear a journalist ask Julia instead of the same-old questions about which tennis player first inspired her, blah, blah, blah. Is she suddenly going to reveal that it was someone other than Martina Hingis?

Data crunching plays a crucial role in improving one's game because it reveals patterns--bad habits and also what works successfully. It's always so difficult to watch her implode during a match knowing that you've seen this train wreck before.

KatjaS
Mar 3rd, 2013, 07:14 PM
Nensel doesn't really strike me as the kind of coach that would be into that, but that's just my uninformed opinion. We don't really know all that much about him or how he works.

Dispeker
Mar 3rd, 2013, 11:50 PM
Thanks for the statistics. That 2-3 game in the 3rd set (AM: -1) was when she decided to attack Errani's serve and dominated a return game, even though she ultimately didn't break her. I still don't understand why she didn't try that again after that.

Did she decide it herself or did Nensel told her to do it? Couldn't see whether he talked to her again. But yeah, this game could have been the turning point. She had 3 or 4 chances to break but wasted all of them. Eventually her level dropped again and she gifted Errani that game by hitting two UEs in a row.
Don't know either why she didn't attack her serve more often, especially her 2nd serve.

Right--which again begs the question: does she do a post-match analysis with Nensel reviewing the statistics and point by point review of the video? Now this is a question I would like to hear a journalist ask Julia instead of the same-old questions about which tennis player first inspired her, blah, blah, blah. Is she suddenly going to reveal that it was someone other than Martina Hingis?

I remember an interview where she was asked whether she does a pre-match analysis of her next opponent. Think she said that they (her team) do this. Don't know though how much time they invest in that. I can't really imagine though that she and Nensel are reviewing (whole) matches. But maybe I'm wrong. It would really be interesting to know.

Data crunching plays a crucial role in improving one's game because it reveals patterns--bad habits and also what works successfully. It's always so difficult to watch her implode during a match knowing that you've seen this train wreck before.

That's the most important thing imho. But for that, a pretty large number of matches would have to be analyzed.

KatjaS
Mar 4th, 2013, 07:58 AM
Did she decide it herself or did Nensel told her to do it?

I don't think she asked for him again after that moment in set 1 where she stood up and left while he was still talking, but I could be wrong.

joy division
Mar 4th, 2013, 10:15 AM
Thanks Dispeker for the analyze, great effort.:yeah:

It could be helpful to face her with the hard facts of such point-for-point diagrams which is showing her extreme inconsistency.

I remember that Nensel asked her in a break something like why "she doesn`t do what they were talking about and what they were practicing in the preparation for this match" (to beat Errani).
After that she was a little more determined and clear in the execution of the gameplan for some games.
Your analyze confirms it. That means that she knew and could keep up the strategy and presence of mind for some time but later on "lost" it again.
Why did she loose it and why there is always such a thin line between positive aggressive play and overdoing things on the other side ?
This is of course not just a question of her physical weaknesses.
Once again it`s all about speculation but imo at that stage of her career it is not enough to simply use her talents and work hard to get further.
It`s also needed to refine and make her play more efficient and less vulnerable by some kind of deeper knowledge of her strengths and weaknesses.
A precise preparation and a hard-edged and clear follow-up of a match could be a part in this process and the character of this kind of work then could find expression on the court one day.

HowardH
Mar 5th, 2013, 09:26 AM
Finally found the time to analyze the match against Errani (Dubai 2013).

- AM/game = red line

- Julia's service game = yellow background


http://i.imgur.com/kIUIut3.png?1?3090

1 set:

W = 11
FE = 6
UE = 27
AM = -10

http://i.imgur.com/G94Hdjo.png

2nd set:

W = 14
FE = 7
UE = 26
AM = -5

http://i.imgur.com/aX354rX.png

3rd set:

W = 22
FE = 4
UE = 33
AM = -7

http://i.imgur.com/Ta2fjtu.png?1?3552

Whole match:

W = 47
FE = 17
UE = 86
AM = -22

I'll comment on that later.

Very interesting. Thanks for that.

I think it would be informative to see her service games and return games separated out.

It looks like her serve games were a bit unstable in the first half, but more stable in the second half.

On the other hand it seems her return games are regularly quite bad. But separated out it would be easier to see for sure.

Dispeker
Mar 9th, 2013, 04:58 PM
Very interesting. Thanks for that.

I think it would be informative to see her service games and return games separated out.

It looks like her serve games were a bit unstable in the first half, but more stable in the second half.

On the other hand it seems her return games are regularly quite bad. But separated out it would be easier to see for sure.

Good idea, Howard. I'll do that. And also for the following one. It's the Wimbledon 2012 3rd match against Ivanovic. As the stats and the chart show, it was a pretty good match from both players. Julia played fantastic in the 1st set but wasn't able to keep her level in the following sets. You can see that the fluctuations in her game increased during the course of the match (with the exception of the middle of 2nd set). Ana, on the other hand, put on a smoother performance especially in the 1st two sets. In the end, she deservedly won.




Julia's AM/game = red graph

Ana's AM/game = blue graph


Julia's service game = yellow background

Ana's service game = white background


http://i.imgur.com/1y8DouV.png?1?2298

1st set

Julia:

W = 8
FE = 14
UE = 13
AM = 9

Ana:

W = 6
FE = 8
UE = 11
AM = 3


http://i.imgur.com/BZFHAMm.png?1?9758

2nd set

Julia:

W = 15
FE = 10
UE = 19
AM = 6

Ana:

W = 9
FE = 12
UE = 8
AM = 13

http://i.imgur.com/yfYESTg.png?1?4672

3rd set

Julia:

W = 8
FE = 13
UE = 19
AM = 2

Ana:

W = 9
FE = 8
UE = 9
AM = 8

http://i.imgur.com/Fzwi9gk.png?2?5414

Whole match:

Julia:

W = 31
FE = 37
UE = 51
AM = 17

Ana:

W = 24
FE = 28
UE = 28
AM = 24

Iwasbored2013
Apr 6th, 2013, 09:36 AM
Aye.

I thought it might be interesting to get a more detailed view of Julia's performance and where it goes right
and where it goes wrong, so I thought I'd do some stats on her match. I wanted to debut it in her match against
Wozniacki but alas Gools didn't make it. So I took it for a test ride yesterday in her doubles match, even
though that is of course a flawed exercise given the nature of doubles, but frick it, I made the sheet so
I'm gonna use it. I will think about doing visual representations in the future, but for the time being here
is just the raw data. I limited it to points where I felt Julia was the active player:

Set 1

Serve
Aces 0
Service Winners 4
Double Faults 0


Julia wins the point by

Winners
Forehand 5
Backhand 1

Forced Errors
Forehand 4
Backhand 3

Unforced Erros
Double Faults 0
Rally 4


Julia loses the point by

Winners 5

Forced Errors
Forehand 2
Backhand 2

Unforced Errors
Forehand 6
Backhand 1

Return Errors
Forehand 3
Backhand 1


Set 2

Serve
Aces 0
Service Winners 2
Double Faults 0


Julia wins the point by

Winners
Forehand 0
Backhand 2

Forced Errors
Forehand 1
Backhand 2

Unforced Erros
Double Faults 0
Rally 0


Julia loses the point by

Winners 1

Forced Errors
Forehand 3
Backhand 0

Unforced Errors
Forehand 2
Backhand 2

Return Errors
Forehand 3
Backhand 1


Match Tiebreaker

Serve
Aces 0
Service Winners 0
Double Faults 0


Julia wins the point by

Winners
Forehand 1
Backhand 0

Forced Errors
Forehand 0
Backhand 0

Unforced Erros
Double Faults 0
Rally 0


Julia loses the point by

Winners 2

Forced Errors
Forehand 0
Backhand 0

Unforced Errors
Forehand 2
Backhand 3

Return Errors
Forehand 0
Backhand 0


AM as used by Dispeker (do you count return errors as UE? I didn't here.)

Set 1: +10
Set 2: +3
Match Tiebreaker: -4

Again, this is of limited use in a doubles match, but it's not my damn fault she can't beat Voegele. :tape:

Iwasbored2013
Apr 6th, 2013, 09:44 AM
Also if you have suggestions for added statistics or think this is not sophisticated enough for the real statistics thread just shoot, I'm not sensitive.

Iwasbored2013
Apr 6th, 2013, 11:31 AM
Here is what a statistic like this looks like when Gools plays really well, first set against Shahar Peer in Paris 2012:

http://i.imgbox.com/acpYhJvf.jpg

Also my first attempt at a visual presentation.

KatjaS
Apr 6th, 2013, 06:45 PM
The more statistics the better, I'd say. But I'm not really a numbers person to be honest. Also it looks like she almost singlehandedly lost that match tiebreak in her doubles match. :help:

Iwasbored2013
Apr 7th, 2013, 03:56 PM
She did not play her finest tennis in the latter stages of the doubles match, no.

Dispeker
Apr 9th, 2013, 05:49 AM
Thanks Iwasbored :yeah: I agree with Katja, the more statistics the better, so keep 'em coming :)

CillyUltra
Apr 9th, 2013, 07:38 AM
Julia served the 5th most aces so far this season.

http://www.wtatennis.com/SEWTATour-Archive/Rankings_Stats/match_stats_2013.pdf

HowardH
Apr 9th, 2013, 02:00 PM
Thanks for posting those stats. Julia also is seventh best for points won on first service.

Serena as usual dominating the serving stats, Azarenka showing what a good returner she is.

Iwasbored2013
Apr 9th, 2013, 11:19 PM
Craybas

Set 1
http://i.imgbox.com/adleUhr1.jpg

Set 2
http://i.imgbox.com/abohaLKz.jpg

Set 3
http://i.imgbox.com/actT2TgF.jpg

KatjaS
Nov 5th, 2013, 09:37 AM
http://www.wtatennis.com/SEWTATour-Archive/Rankings_Stats/match_stats_2013.pdf

She somehow still made the Top 10 of "most aces" this year.

kadiHH
Nov 5th, 2013, 04:04 PM
http://www.wtatennis.com/SEWTATour-Archive/Rankings_Stats/match_stats_2013.pdf

She somehow still made the Top 10 of "most aces" this year.

More impressive is her average number of aces per match: 4.65. If you take that same top 10 list and rank the average number of aces/match, Julia is No. 5. :)

The question is, did she pay a price for those aces, aggravating a still-healing wrist?

Hopefully there's no top 10 list for most unforced errors....:eek:

KatjaS
Nov 7th, 2013, 07:39 PM
Her ranking over the last 52 weeks :sad:

http://i.imgur.com/PHjlPTwl.png (http://imgur.com/PHjlPTw)

kadiHH
Nov 7th, 2013, 11:44 PM
Just saw Petko's graph, so I'll flip my comment for Julia: one of the few graphs out there where travelling in an upward direction is bad :sad:

KatjaS
Nov 8th, 2013, 12:13 AM
The scary thing is that the almost horizonzal part in the beginning shows just how difficult her start into 2014 is. :(

KatjaS
Nov 11th, 2013, 10:28 AM
Attempt to show her 2013 by the development of the win/loss ratio:

http://i.imgur.com/5rItBLYl.png (http://imgur.com/5rItBLY)

KatjaS
Nov 11th, 2013, 10:53 AM
And the same with "quality points":

A win gets you 100 points + 1-100 points for the ranking of your opponent
A loss loses you 100 points + 1-100 points for the ranking of your opponent

Examples:

Win vs. #100 = +101
Win vs. #40 = +160
Loss vs. #240 = -200
Loss vs. #1 = -101

http://i.imgur.com/f876J3Il.png (http://imgur.com/f876J3I)

kadiHH
Nov 11th, 2013, 04:34 PM
How literal and symbolic at the same time. The graphs look like she traversed a mountain range and just tumbled down the slope in the end. :sad: I just hope for her 2014 journey she leaves the 2013 baggage behind her; it will make her ascent all the easier. :)

RU90
Dec 12th, 2013, 01:01 AM
I wasn't sure where to post this, but I think it's a statistic. :lol:

Julia was the 35th-most clicked player on the WTA website, well above her ranking. :)

http://www.wtatennis.com/javaImages/d3/e9/0,,12781~12446163,00.jpg

http://www.wtatennis.com/photos/article/3567970/title/gallery-most-popular-no40-to-no31

KatjaS
Dec 12th, 2013, 08:21 AM
I wasn't sure where to post this, but I think it's a statistic. :lol:

Julia was the 35th-most clicked player on the WTA website, well above her ranking. :)
http://www.wtatennis.com/photos/article/3567970/title/gallery-most-popular-no40-to-no31

That's probably quite impressive given that she had like no impressive result that would make people actively look her up last year, but I can't get over the fact that the WTA decided to publish that as one of these annoying click-through galleries. :tape:

KatjaS
Jan 13th, 2014, 10:25 AM
Extremely detailed stats for her match against Errani (http://www.tennisabstract.com/charting/20140113-W-Australian_Open-R128-Julia_Goerges-Sara_Errani.html)

Boke75
Jan 13th, 2014, 09:21 PM
Fantastic game she had :) 39 winners to 36 unforced errors. Also is it just me or did anybody else notice the surprisingly low amount of FORCED ERRORS from Julia. Errani total points (49) - Errani's winners (6) - Julia's unforced errors (36) = 7 forced Julia errors only....that's amazingly low for Julia, no ?

KatjaS
Jan 13th, 2014, 10:40 PM
Yes, absolutely - I guess it's a consequence of Errani's lack of pace. Julia isn't the quickest player in the world, so when playing an opponent with more power, she often barely gets her racket on a well-placed ball and commits a forced error. With Errani she has the time to get herself into the right position, so if she then makes an error it gets counted as "unforced".

That and her now being Julia Gonzalges of course. :D

Boke75
Jan 14th, 2014, 12:59 AM
Yes, absolutely - I guess it's a consequence of Errani's lack of pace. Julia isn't the quickest player in the world, so when playing an opponent with more power, she often barely gets her racket on a well-placed ball and commits a forced error. With Errani she has the time to get herself into the right position, so if she then makes an error it gets counted as "unforced".

That and her now being Julia Gonzalges of course. :D

Yes, exactly ! Did she change her soles with flubber ? :lol: I haven't seen Julia w/ those kind of wheels since Stuttgart '11 ! :worship: Heck, she was almost the energizer bunny like Kerber (although tbf Kerber is in another league in terms of footwork). At least I haven't seen a cleaner match since maybe the Peer match at the Paris indoors in Feb '12, I think. Great point btw on Errani's slower pace reducing Julia's FE's. It also seems that Julia is mixing up her strategy a bit, no ? I found that before she was much more a baseliner. Yesterday's match Julia was much more an all-court player - going often to the net.

Boke75
Jan 14th, 2014, 01:04 AM
3rd match w/ Genie would be nice :bigclap:

KatjaS
Jan 14th, 2014, 08:45 AM
Yes, exactly ! Did she change her soles with flubber ? :lol: I haven't seen Julia w/ those kind of wheels since Stuttgart '11 ! :worship: Heck, she was almost the energizer bunny like Kerber (although tbf Kerber is in another league in terms of footwork). At least I haven't seen a cleaner match since maybe the Peer match at the Paris indoors in Feb '12, I think. Great point btw on Errani's slower pace reducing Julia's FE's. It also seems that Julia is mixing up her strategy a bit, no ? I found that before she was much more a baseliner. Yesterday's match Julia was much more an all-court player - going often to the net.

Julia and the net is sort of a weird story. She's had tournaments were she did it a lot and successfully (Linz 2012 for example), others where she did it a lot and was terrible and others where she completely avoided it. She's an enigma.

3rd match w/ Genie would be nice :bigclap:

Genie would be a terrible match up for her, but I'd very happy for her to just make R3 and soften the ranking crash. ;)

RU90
Feb 27th, 2014, 03:34 PM
Julia is 2-5 in three sets this season, and 5-12 over the past year. :help:

http://www.tennisabstract.com/cgi-bin/wplayer.cgi?p=JuliaGoerges&f=P1

KatjaS
Feb 27th, 2014, 09:00 PM
And her two won three-setters this year came immediately after the off season and after a long break (walkover vs. Kuznetsova gave her 3 days off), with no doppio at both tournaments.

RU90
Jun 16th, 2014, 04:21 AM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BqLqGZ_IgAAE1Wc.png
(KleineBiere)

Julia is underperforming her statistical margin-of-victory. She is ranked 29th here, but only 57th in the race. :shrug:

joy division
Jun 16th, 2014, 07:44 AM
So Julia actually is a Top 30 player and we all were just too stupid to realize it.:cheer:

RU 90 @
Tbh, I`m missing a certain amount of irony in your post, because the context of your supposition is pretty obvious, isn`t it ?
Creativity and state of boredom seem to have no limits, but I always wonder for what reasons people are producing such baubles of numbers.

KatjaS
Jun 16th, 2014, 08:28 AM
Seriously, can you stop barking ridicule at just about everybody who posts anything on this forum? I don't care about your lessons in the German parts but at least leave the player forums out of it.

Julia is underperforming her statistical margin-of-victory. She is ranked 20th here, but only 57th in the race. :shrug:

Couple of reasons I can think of:

- Due to her low ranking she has to play Q a lot which gives her easier opponents
- She has avoided a bunch of "easy points" tournaments where scoring ranking points would've been easier like Doha or Birmingham
- She plays big points terribly:

http://www.wtatennis.com/players/player/12610#stats

Service points won: 59.5%
Break points saved: 50.6%

Return points won: 43.0%
Break points converted: 40.1%

So basically those points who really count she plays significantly worse.

joy division
Jun 16th, 2014, 12:13 PM
Seriously, can you stop barking ridicule at just about everybody who posts anything on this forum? I don't care about your lessons in the German parts but at least leave the player forums out of it.



Couple of reasons I can think of:

- Due to her low ranking she has to play Q a lot which gives her easier opponents
- She has avoided a bunch of "easy points" tournaments where scoring ranking points would've been easier like Doha or Birmingham
- She plays big points terribly:

http://www.wtatennis.com/players/player/12610#stats

Service points won: 59.5%
Break points saved: 50.6%

Return points won: 43.0%
Break points converted: 40.1%

So basically those points who really count she plays significantly worse.

Sorry, that`s quite a nonsense, Katja.
First of all you are harsh without any argument and then you try to transport a certain picture of mine in this subforum.
The other people in this part of the forum don`t have any overview or clue and also not enough German knowledge to jugde about the things that are going on in the German threads.
Beside the first point that`s additionally unsportsmanlike as well.;)

KatjaS
Jun 16th, 2014, 12:30 PM
Another post that has absolutely nothing to do with statistics and rankings. You're not interested in it and think it's stupid, fine, but then leave the people who are interested in it be instead of ridiculing them.

joy division
Jun 16th, 2014, 01:04 PM
Once again I can`t quite get you.

Some Stats seem very useful to me, some not. This one imo looks more like a voluntary extra task.
So what`s the problem if somebody obviously has a different opinion about it and I request that ?
Beside that I think that this is probably my first ever comment in this thread and it`s not my intention to take more care about it than before.

~Poseidon~
Jun 16th, 2014, 01:18 PM
I guess that stat tells us, what we see on the court. Julia is quite there, can hold the pace of the better players, but can't hold it constantly to finish a match, yet.

kadiHH
Jun 16th, 2014, 05:50 PM
Julia is underperforming her statistical margin-of-victory. She is ranked 20th here, but only 57th in the race. :shrug:

I wonder which coaches on tour do this kind of number-crunching to analyze their players' effectiveness?

When you are weak in one area, such as that inability to convert the big points, that's when you want to maximize your advantage in every other possible area to compensate. That's why Julia's haphazard approach to scheduling tournaments is so :banghead:. Every little advantage matters greatly. Picking up those easy ranking points would pay multiple dividends by giving her some breathing space and easing the pressure, which might be the key to boosting her mental strength in the matches that matter.

RU90
Oct 28th, 2014, 04:22 PM
*CAREER STATS*

overall
191-165 53.7%

main draws
148-139 51.6%

qualifying
39-21 65%

Fed Cup
4-5 44.4%

surface
hard: 115-104 52.5%
grass: 9-10 47.4%
clay: 67-51 56.8%

Grand Slams
main draws: 24-27 47.1%
qualifying: 6-2 75%

record vs.
top 10: 10-27 27.0%
top 20: 14-49 22.2%
20+: 177-116 60.4%

finals
2-3 40%

tiebreaks
43-57 43%

7-5 or 5-7
48-43 52.7%

three sets
58-62 48.3%

after winning first set
164-32 83.7%

after losing first set
21-128 14.1%

*all stats above from tennisabstract.com (http://www.tennisabstract.com/cgi-bin/wplayer.cgi?p=JuliaGoerges)

RU90
Oct 28th, 2014, 04:32 PM
Main Draw Match Stats 2009-2014 (http://web917.server34.greatnet.de/GoergesJulia.htm)
by KleinBiere

2014
(change from 2013)
Aces Per 100 Serves: 8.1 (+2.0)
Double Faults Per 100 Serves: 5.3 (0)
Fault % On Second Serves: 13% (+1)
1st Serve %: 59% (+4)
1st Serve Points Won: 68% (+2)
2nd Serve Points Won: 47% (+2)
Points Won When 2nd Serve In: 54% (+3)
Service Points Won: 59% (+2)
Break Points Saved: 54% (-1)
Service Games Won: 69% (+3)
1st Serve Return Points Won: 36% (+4)
2nd Serve Return Points Won: 53% (+1)
Return Points Won: 42% (+2)
Break Points Converted: 40% (-4)
Return Games Won: 32% (+5)

RU90
Oct 28th, 2014, 05:25 PM
Don't be fooled by all the improvement in green. It was impossible not to improve on her 2013 season. :p