View Full Version : Los Angeles Event Sinks Before it Starts

Robert German
Nov 4th, 2002, 01:18 AM
As a native Los Angeleno, I was really looking forward to attending the event on several nights, but I will not be buying a ticket.

The decision to not give Davenport a special seeding when she has received one at every other event since her return is preposterous. Certainly she is a more solid player than Dokic, Clijsters, and Henin.

Instead, poor Monica will have to play her in the first round and that will be that for Monica I am afraid. Since she is my fave and will be out in round 1, I see no reason to attend, especially when the seeding committee used no common sense in this matter.

Why can't the end of the year championships go back to the format which was much more successful years ago. Invite the top 8 and play a semi-round robin double elimination format.

I don't think anyone wold miss Farina_elia or some of the others who are at the event. It is the top 8 that are always of most interest.

Nov 4th, 2002, 01:21 AM
*cough* Clijsters and Henin won indoor titles *cough* Clijsters beat Davenport *cough*

Nov 4th, 2002, 01:21 AM
I agree. Davenport should have got the seed. Seles is too good of a champ to go out first round; as is Davenport.

Nov 4th, 2002, 01:23 AM
Davenport does not deserve the seed.

Nov 4th, 2002, 01:25 AM
and please ... Silvia Farina is my fav player ... so people do care about the lower ranked players :rolleyes:

Nov 4th, 2002, 01:25 AM
Originally posted by rated_next
Davenport does not deserve the seed.

How can you say that? She ended last year #1! I'm 100% sure that she wouldn't unseeded if she wasn't injured. It's not her fault she was injured! She should be a seed!

Nov 4th, 2002, 01:35 AM
It is unfortunate that she did get injured ... but why should Dokic be unseeded when she earned more points this year than Davenport?

Rubin also was injured for a long time ... Should she be seeded as well?

Robert German
Nov 4th, 2002, 01:39 AM
Davenport defeated Dokic soundly this year. I believe she beat Rubin as well.

Rubin and Dokic have never been nor ever will be number 1, nor will either one win a grand slam. On the other hand, Lindsay has a shot at additional slams (although is unlikely to be number 1 again).

There are many reasons to have seed Davenport (these are just a few).

Nov 4th, 2002, 01:48 AM
Originally posted by VivalaSeles
Sorry, Rubin BEAT Davenport. It's the other way around.
As much as I dislike a Monica vs Davenport first round ... no, I don't think Davenport should have been seeded.

Actually, they are 1-1 this year

Davenport def. Rubin 62 26 61 Acura Classic
Rubin def. Davenport 57 76 63 LA

Steffica Greles
Nov 4th, 2002, 01:49 AM
I wouldn't count Monica out so quickly.

Monica is, and always has been, a woman with fire in her belly. She thrives on competition - and hasn't seen any for months, since she left the tour ailing from a consistent, if unspectacular season, in an exhausting schedule.

But when Monica returns, she often returns roaring(often audibly) with determination. Graf was the same. These great champions love competition such that when they come back thresh, they don't take prisoners - they mean war.

Monica is *still* the most formidable competitor in womens' tennis. With her body virtually falling apart - and it won't last much longer - there's no way she'd have been ranked 4th when she last played without that champion's mentality.

Before you go counting this great lady out, consider that she hasn't beaten Davenport in over 5 years, but longs to.

I'd still favour Davenport, but not by much. Monica doesn't lie down for anyone, and never has. Fearlessness has been, and remains, her trademark.

Nov 4th, 2002, 01:59 AM
it also works into Seles' favor that Lindsay has struggled to close out sets

Nov 4th, 2002, 02:21 AM
this was fair to Henin. Davenport was given a 4-tournament special seeding. When it expired, she got another 4-tournament seeding. I think the WTA is fair.

If we had the ATP rules, Davenport would be ranked #200 and Hingis #180.

I am glad Davenport made it to the Chase Championship. We should be thankful for that.


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Nov 4th, 2002, 02:31 AM
LOL....so first, people are praying that Lindsay does not continue getting her special exempt seeding because it is unfair, and now they are complaining because she didnt. Make up your minds :rolleyes:

She is ranked 11, therefore is unseeded. The way it should be. That is just bad luck for Monica, someone had to draw her (and yes Im a Monica fan too).

Nov 4th, 2002, 03:19 AM
Davenport does not deserve the seed. Enough is enough. It may be a tough break and a difficult match for Monica, but Lindsay has already been given everything to the theoretical limit of the IPR rules.

Nov 4th, 2002, 03:33 AM
The rule is: no special seedings shall be given in The Championships. The seeds are in the order of rank.

TBE posted the complete rule a few weeks back.

Nov 4th, 2002, 04:21 AM
I think that Davenport is definely a Top 10 player, and I think people would be hard pushed to suggest she isn't a Top 5 player but she doesn't ahve the necessary points to be seeded and as such she doesn't deserve a seeded place, and also it makes the draw and matches all the more exciting.

Nov 4th, 2002, 06:59 AM
She's been playing with the #3 ranking since before the US Open. Since then, those less "solid" players Clijsters and Henin, having to deal with seedings lower than they deserve, have won three titles between them.

Lindsay won zero.

Really, Lindsay doesn't deserve to be seeded.

Nov 4th, 2002, 07:01 AM
Who Cares!! Lindsay knew going into the event that she would not get a special seeding, she is ranked No.11 and seeded 9th in the event, so just deal.

Nov 4th, 2002, 07:05 AM
that's not fair to monica! you've already predicted her defeat giving no credit to the reality that she is monica seles. davenport is a terric player but seles will not fade gently.

seles in three.

Nov 4th, 2002, 07:18 AM
Since the Chase Championship uses race points, and the WTA tournaments use ranking points then doesnt it make sense that you can only get special seeding based on WTA ranking points? I dont think special seedings are allowed for race points

Cam'ron Giles
Nov 4th, 2002, 07:20 AM
Davenport has been given every op to ensure a seed at the champs. She has been back for five damn months now. What else does she need? She has won nothing. She does not deserve the seed and she will be the one heading home for the rest of the season after the first round. Monica will survive...:wavey:

Nov 4th, 2002, 09:42 AM
Oh come on. When Lindsay got a special seeding we Monica fans started whining because then Monica was no longer seeded 4 but 5 and that meant that she would meet the Williams sisters in the quaters... Now Lindsay is not seeded and we start whining that Monica will meet her in the first round of the Chase.

Yes, it's bad luck that they meet each other so early, and yes Monica would have probably won against any of the others from 9-16. But she still has the chance to win against Lindsay, and if she won't win, she tried her best I'm sure. But losing to Lindsay means that she won't be able to win the title, as Lindsay is not in her best form also.

So stop that crying and start cheering for her. Go Monica!

Nov 4th, 2002, 09:52 AM
To be totally honest, i disagreed with Lindsay getting a special seeding ALL TOGETHER at ANY EVENT!

She got injured which is definitely bad luck for her, but it happens to players, and it's something they should deal with. IMO, it was unfair to the players that were bumped out of seeding positions because of Lindsay. She should have had to have fought through the hard draws on her way back like everyone else has to if they come back from an injury..

I mean, i've heard of an injury ranking to enter tournaments, but this is the first special seeding...and i don't like the idea at all.

So, I for one, am VERY happy that Lindsay is not seeded in this event....it's about bloody time is all I have to say.....

Doris Loeffel
Nov 4th, 2002, 11:22 AM
Allen Leuten Recht getan ist eine Kunst die niemand kann.

May the better one win!!

Serendy Willick
Nov 4th, 2002, 03:23 PM
I think that Monica will beat Davenport

Nov 4th, 2002, 03:45 PM
Me 2, I think this is the chance for Monica to beat her.


Nov 4th, 2002, 04:39 PM
That is what they mean when they say" the luck of the draw", It is unfortunate for these 2 great champs to meet so early but hey its sport!:wavey:

Nov 4th, 2002, 05:38 PM
I don't think anyone wold miss Farina_elia or some of the others who are at the event. It is the top 8 that are always of most interest.

Robert German, Silvia has been my favourite player on the tour for the last 10 years, so please be very careful with what you write........but leaving this aside, I totally disagree with you on the entire post....Lindsay does not deserve the seed, not beacuse she is not good enough, but because she has been out for most of the season. Injuries happened all the times to all players, this is tennis. And as others have already written on this thread, she was given more than enough help from WTA.

I love tennis, I do not go and see a tournament ONLY IF my fav player is playing, I go beacuse I like to watch this sport.
Having only the top 8 players participating would make it short and not so interesting, the formula is right, and the fact that we have first round matches like Davenport vs Seles is a prove of that.

Nov 4th, 2002, 06:10 PM
Originally posted by Steffica Greles

What an awesome name:eek: Steffica Greles!!!!:D It is my new favorite sn on this board!:wavey:

Lindsay will be up 6-0; 5-0 on Monica, but will let the lead slip away for a 6-0; 5-7; 2-6 loss or something like that. :rolleyes:

Nov 4th, 2002, 06:25 PM
Robert - I think you do a great disservice to Monica with this thread. How short people's memories are! Skip Munich and look back at the last champs held in MSG.

Elena D beat Lindsay there...FIRST ROUND. And who did Monica beat in the semi's? Oh yeah, Elena D. She then took Martina to 3 sets in a very tough final.

The last time Monica met Lindsay was in the L.A. final ('01). A long time ago, but Lindsay herself admitted that she was lucky that Monica was tired that day...after taking out both Martina and Serena respectively in brilliant 3-set matches (SF and QF). Neither are the player they were that summer...and both have been dealing with physical issues. Head to heads mean nada here.

Yet you write "...that will be that?" Pfft. No real Monica fan would write her off so easily.

Nov 4th, 2002, 06:40 PM
Lindsay had her special ranking for EIGHT friggin tournaments. It's over. Deal with it.

Nov 4th, 2002, 06:55 PM
EC you are right but I don't think it's fair to tell Robert German that he is not a "real Monica fan". Can't you be a fan of someone and still just be pessimistic about your fave's chance against a player she lost to nine times in a row, a player in form especially when your fave hasn't played since shortly after the US Open and will have no time to work her way into the tournament.? I seriously don't think we ought to be telling others that they are not TRUE fans of someone just because they are not eternally optimistic. I myself am a huge Martina fan who was getting annoyed at people saying she would win this or that tournament when we all know that she is not playing well. Monica is still a question mark and I believe she can beat Lindsay but I can see where Robert German is coming from.

Nov 4th, 2002, 07:02 PM
Originally posted by tennisIlove09
Seles is too good of a champ to go out first round; as is Davenport.

No-one is too good to go out in the first round. Whoever loses this match is simply not good enough to progress to the second round.

Nov 4th, 2002, 08:29 PM
You people need to get real. Davenport is ranked number 12 now because she didnt do as well as last year. It happens and life goes on. What makes you think she should be seeded? If she is to win the tournament, she would have to play a tough player in every round so her playing Monica is no big deal cuz she still could have met someone like Rubin, Schyder or Maleeva in the first round ---all of who have beaten her in their last meeting. Fellas, just root for you favorite and let this seeding thing go.

Nov 4th, 2002, 08:35 PM
Monica will win

Nov 4th, 2002, 10:56 PM
All she has to do is beat Monica, and she's inthe same position as she'd have been if she was a top eight seed. It's on her racket.

Nov 4th, 2002, 11:39 PM
Davenport certainly does not deserve a seeding! This event is centered around the fact that the players have EARNED their way here...whether it be by competing in few events yet winning or doing well in all of them "AKA Serena & Venus" or by competing in a lot of events and doing great in some and not so great in others "AKA Dokic."

Either way, it may not be Davenport's fault that she was injured, but it's also not the players' fault either. Giving Davenport a special seeding for this event would go against what this tournament is about...which is that players are invited/seeded based on their performance "For the year." Nothing else matters.

Robert German
Nov 5th, 2002, 08:41 PM

Nov 5th, 2002, 08:58 PM
Treu, pessimism is one thing. Writing her off completely quite another. And I know that Robert is loyal fan, and admittedly, that was harsh. But I said it the way I did to make a point.

Nov 6th, 2002, 03:57 AM
Did it ever occur to anyone that having Lindsay as her first round opponent pretty much guarantees the entire match will be televised?