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terjw
May 28th, 2011, 10:13 AM
With the unpleasant intrusion into our forum last night - the worst of which has now been removed - I PM'd Burisleif to say that I really think we need our own Mod for our forum. One of the things Burisleif said in reply was:


I definitely think their is a case for a couple or three mods here in this section to share the load of admin and moving posts around, deletions etc. I think it unfair to burden one person unless they are really up for it.


I think that's a very good point.

I also said that the Mod needs to be a respected poster here who has the backing of most of us who post here. Also needs to be someone who is on the forum and not just here once in a while. And finally of course someone who would be willing to do do it.

I'm not exactly sure how we go about it. But I'd like to hear comments and if you agree suggestions for who before I suggest anyone.

The Reff
May 28th, 2011, 11:04 AM
I wholeheartedly support the suggestion, if it's at all possible.
Yesterday was something else :)
I'm probably not contender to do it (newcommer, technically deficient and easily stressed) though, but will root for the one that's up for the task.

(will return with relevant suggestions if I come up with some)

angliru
May 28th, 2011, 12:34 PM
It's definetely a good idea to have one or more moderators dedicated for this forum. There was actually a site announcement almost exactly a year ago that tennisforum wanted moderators for the "Scandinavian Sweeties" forum. Anyone could apply, but they (admins) would look at the poster's history etc. before making any decision. But it seems like noone was interested (or qualified)?

The tennisforum admins were aware that the need for moderation would be needed in the future for forums like "Scandinavian Sweeties" (w Caro's increasing popularity/success) and other forums as well (Tennis Belarusia, for instance). The announcement didn't get many hits, so I tried to draw attention to it in one of the Danish Delight threads, which led to a very brief discussion on the subject.

Burisleif
May 28th, 2011, 01:47 PM
Like the rest here, I think it's very much needed, especially considering recent trends.

As I mentioned to terjw, the Admin post asking about Moderators IIRC made no promises that it would happen. I don't know who applied (perhaps if anyone did they could mention it), I know I didn't being a newcomer short on time etc.

I think it would be helpful to know more about the duty demands of such a role etc. for users to make a more informed decision as to whether they are able to meet them, and hence the possible need for multiple lesser roles.

Frode would be a good person to ask, however as mentioned to terjw, he appears to be a huge Reds fan so might be a bit busy for a few days :)

Blu
May 28th, 2011, 02:03 PM
I wholeheartedly support the suggestion, if it's at all possible.

I agree ;)

Jimmie48
May 28th, 2011, 02:07 PM
I think it's definetely needed as well, this won't be the last time the trolls will be coming for this forum. The less attention they get in GM, the more they will come here..

EnerBC
May 28th, 2011, 02:24 PM
Agree with the need for mod(s) here..
Really sad to see people of 20+ years show such little respect for other people, meaning the fans here and in the other players forums, that they come and post their harassments etc. in here where it's supposed to be constructive talk, we have GM for the other stuff alltho it's been allowed to go way too far there too.

bruce goose
May 28th, 2011, 02:38 PM
IMO,Burisleif would be a good choice,as evidenced by how he shows a restrained,reason response even when he disagrees with or doesn't particularly like the offending poster

terjw
May 28th, 2011, 06:38 PM
IMO,Burisleif would be a good choice,as evidenced by how he shows a restrained,reason response even when he disagrees with or doesn't particularly like the offending poster

Burisleif is definitely a poster here I think would be a really good Moderator if he would want to do it. I can think of a few others who I think would be good such as C.W.Fields and DownInAHole and some others.

Either someone with a desire to do it can put their name forward. Or if not - perhaps we could come up with a shortlist that we would like. And ask them if they would be willing and of those that say yes - we could ask if they discuss it between them.

So I'd be interested if any one would really like to do it and some names people think it would be worth asking if no-one volunteers themself.

DownInAHole
May 28th, 2011, 07:07 PM
C.W. seems like a good choice. I don't think I've ever seen him get into an argument with anyone in GM so he must have a very levelheaded and judicial temperament.

Hopefully the unpleasant recent posts were an anomaly and there will not be too much work for a new moderator to do.

JadeFox
May 28th, 2011, 07:24 PM
C.W. would be a good choice for a mod for the reasons stated above.

I wasn't online last night so I didn't see what went down. I saw a few obnoxious posts but did it get worse than that?

GAWOZFAN
May 28th, 2011, 07:49 PM
After yesterday's events in here, a Mod definitely sounds like a good idea. I'm all for intelligent and thoughtful discussion in here about tennis, it's why I lurk around here most everyday. But the hate and taunting of players is just uncalled for, it's why I won't post over in GM or most of the time, not even look over there.

I'm for any regular in here with a least a few thousand posts that would be willing to take on this task.

Nena_xxx
May 29th, 2011, 01:49 PM
A Mod who will take charge of Scandinavian Sweeties sounds good to me. Anyone who will do the this job proper, is more that welcome.

terjw
May 29th, 2011, 11:39 PM
I think Burisleif is right about Frode beind a huge reds fan and might be busy for a few days. I did PM him but so far am still waiting for a reply. Anyway - when I get a reply I'll let you all know on this thread.

backhandsmash
May 31st, 2011, 11:50 AM
C.W., Jorn or angliru would be good choices.

backhandsmash
Jun 2nd, 2011, 09:16 PM
Any progress on this?

DownInAHole
Jun 2nd, 2011, 09:59 PM
Any progress on this?

Read post #14.:p

backhandsmash
Jun 2nd, 2011, 10:11 PM
Read post #14.:p

omgyousuck

You are now my favourite!

DownInAHole
Jun 2nd, 2011, 10:32 PM
omgyousuck

You are now my favourite!

My mom says I am a catch.

backhandsmash
Jun 2nd, 2011, 10:35 PM
It's a shame we can't vote on this, hair-lover!

Sharapower8
Jun 2nd, 2011, 10:43 PM
We could still make a poll ? :shrug: (I don't know what for but hey, why not :p)

terjw
Jun 4th, 2011, 10:15 AM
Hmm. Still had no reply from Frode. Maybe I ought to try and PM another Mod? Any ideas how long I should wait and who should try if get no reply by then.

DownInAHole
Jun 4th, 2011, 10:46 AM
Well, things are pretty calm around here at the moment but I suspect that if Caroline loses at Wimbledon we will get some unwanted posters gloating here so I guess it would be ideal if we had a moderator before then. Has Frode been posting lately? If so perhaps he/she did not notice the PM? There were times in the past where it took me weeks to notice I had a PM.

Burisleif
Jun 5th, 2011, 02:53 AM
Well, I'am very happy we have a mod assigned here at last... Welcome back Ryan...

But I would like more...

I think Angliru should be assigned rights to modify his many threads that are the information source for our Danish tennis habit.

Further I think we need a sharp cookie (or two) that are in the live score thread on the hot days. I love Ryan but he is not that person.

Moreover I would like some feedback and clarification as to what we are expected to endure in terms of abuse. GM is not moderated by the published rules, and despite reporting infractions in Caroland, Favouritism has been shown to certain offenders of what can best be called a favourite clique.

Finally, The WTA world number 1, has zip, zero. nada, ingen, representation in GM.

I am frankly tired of the persistence of deliberate contravention of rule one abuse in GM. You can excuse a "dynamic" any way you want. However, the reality of a perverted preference and tolerance, of certain affiliated members based upon who is online is not acceptable or sustainable.

You, "the admin" set the rules, We Danes are stupid enough to abide by them. We are not however stupid enough to see when a system is being played for advantage.

Angliru a mod for admin please.
GM mod for fairness and the removal of the mere 30-40 idiots who ruin GM.
An extra mod for live scores.

terjw
Jun 5th, 2011, 10:02 AM
Well, I'am very happy we have a mod assigned here at last... Welcome back Ryan...

But I would like more...

I think Angliru should be assigned rights to modify his many threads that are the information source for our Danish tennis habit.

Further I think we need a sharp cookie (or two) that are in the live score thread on the hot days. I love Ryan but he is not that person.

Moreover I would like some feedback and clarification as to what we are expected to endure in terms of abuse. GM is not moderated by the published rules, and despite reporting infractions in Caroland, Favouritism has been shown to certain offenders of what can best be called a favourite clique.

Finally, The WTA world number 1, has zip, zero. nada, ingen, representation in GM.

I am frankly tired of the persistence of deliberate contravention of rule one abuse in GM. You can excuse a "dynamic" any way you want. However, the reality of a perverted preference and tolerance, of certain affiliated members based upon who is online is not acceptable or sustainable.

You, "the admin" set the rules, We Danes are stupid enough to abide by them. We are not however stupid enough to see when a system is being played for advantage.

Angliru a mod for admin please.
GM mod for fairness and the removal of the mere 30-40 idiots who ruin GM.
An extra mod for live scores.

I am also very glad that with Ryan we have a mod here. I would also like to know why when it comes to Caro - rule 1 is not applied in GM. GM has virtually become out of bounds for talking about Caro to fans and non fans on any sensible basis.

There is a very real sense of injustice and rules being selectively applied to some posters and not others. I don't know what some Carofans have got bans for - I saw them mainly in Caro threads defending some pretty nasty comments. If you break a rule - then the fact that someone else also did it is no defence. But it leaves a nasty taste of different standards being applied and nastiness with baiting, bullying, mocking Caro and her fans is par for the course and allowed in GM.

Chrissie-fan
Jun 5th, 2011, 11:43 AM
I am also very glad that with Ryan we have a mod here. I would also like to know why when it comes to Caro - rule 1 is not applied in GM. GM has virtually become out of bounds for talking about Caro to fans and non fans on any sensible basis.

There is a very real sense of injustice and rules being selectively applied to some posters and not others. I don't know what some Carofans have got bans for - I saw them mainly in Caro threads defending some pretty nasty comments. If you break a rule - then the fact that someone else also did it is no defence. But it leaves a nasty taste of different standards being applied and nastiness with baiting, bullying, mocking Caro and her fans is par for the course and allowed in GM.
It could be that I'm the only one that feels this way, but to me it makes no sense for us Caro fans to post on GM. I used to be an at times very active member on GM - even though I disliked the attitude of lots of posters there even back then. But in the last couple of years I've hardly posted anything there. Players in general and Caro more than anyone else is constantly the victim of vicious attacks and the same is true for her fans. I see no reason to participate (and thus support) on a forum where we can only expect ridicule and where the girl we admire is the subject of a never ending stream of disgusting comments - and apparently all with the approval of those that should uphold "the rules" that obviously in their opinion don't apply when it comes to Caro.

EnerBC
Jun 5th, 2011, 12:24 PM
It could be that I'm the only one that feels this way, but to me it makes no sense for us Caro fans to post on GM. I used to be an at times very active member on GM - even though I disliked the attitude of lots of posters there even back then. But in the last couple of years I've hardly posted anything there. Players in general and Caro more than anyone else is constantly the victim of vicious attacks and the same is true for her fans. I see no reason to participate (and thus support) on a forum where we can only expect ridicule and where the girl we admire is the subject of a never ending stream of disgusting comments - and apparently all with the approval of those that should uphold "the rules" that obviously in their opinion don't apply when it comes to Caro.

I think this is the 'sad' part off it all, it shouldn't be like this(people who actually wanna discuss tennis in general) are avoiding the General discussion forum because the rules set up aren't followed(uphold).. :help:

I perfectly understand you though, but really...

Burisleif
Jun 20th, 2011, 05:54 PM
Wimbledon under way, Caroline yet to play and already the true nature of the GM cocks is in play.

How in hell are posts like these deemed acceptable? Why the moderators have not pounced on theses, and the posters issued with bans if beyond rational thinking.

The way Caro says "Well Novak" is reminiscent of a person whose vocal cords were badly damaged in a car accident and taking his first speech therapy class since.

She sounds like someone who rides on the 'special' bus.

TF doesn't need scum like this, and as long as their is an apparent bias in GM moderation it will get worse.

The mods should be ashamed. Outrageous.

Jimmie48
Jun 20th, 2011, 06:10 PM
Im really starting to think that the people running these forums are actually happy about the vile atmosphere against Caro in GM, that's pretty much the only explanation why nothing's done about people like that.

backhandsmash
Jun 20th, 2011, 07:54 PM
Wimbledon under way, Caroline yet to play and already the true nature of the GM cocks is in play.

How in hell are posts like these deemed acceptable? Why the moderators have not pounced on theses, and the posters issued with bans if beyond rational thinking.





TF doesn't need scum like this, and as long as their is an apparent bias in GM moderation it will get worse.

The mods should be ashamed. Outrageous.


I wasn't offended by that at all. I'm getting immune to this shit, I think.

Only Chrono's infamous post that got him banned, pissed me off a bit.

Chrissie-fan
Jun 20th, 2011, 08:28 PM
Im really starting to think that the people running these forums are actually happy about the vile atmosphere against Caro in GM, that's pretty much the only explanation why nothing's done about people like that.
They turn a blind eye to the trash talk and insults because it makes GM the success that it is in terms of the number of posts. Let's face it - there's LOTS of infantile nonsense posted at GM. If that wouldn't be allowed the number of posts would go down by 50% because most of those type of posters just are not capable of changing their tune and post anything of value to anyone else.

postalblowfish
Jun 20th, 2011, 08:43 PM
They turn a blind eye to the trash talk and insults because it makes GM the success that it is in terms of the number of posts. Let's face it - there's LOTS of infantile nonsense posted at GM. If that wouldn't be allowed the number of posts would go down by 50% because most of those type of posters just are not capable of changing their tune and post anything of value to anyone else.

Part of the issue may be that some of them keep it *just the right side* of ban-worthy and simply plow the field of unacceptability until they either get bored or whatever.

Sadly, some people with seriously massive post counts engage in the petty arguments as well.

Chrissie-fan
Jun 20th, 2011, 08:58 PM
Part of the issue may be that some of them keep it *just the right side* of ban-worthy and simply plow the field of unacceptability until they either get bored or whatever.
Probably, yes. There should be a kind of point system used where a poster can get an infraction of anywhere between one and five points depending on how bad the offense is. When a poster has collected ten points in a say, three month period he/she should be banned for six months. When that member after his/her suspension starts participating again and again collects ten infraction points in a three month period he's/she's banned for life. The details shouldn't be exactly like what I've just suggested of course, but somekind of infraction points system is a good idea I think.

postalblowfish
Jun 20th, 2011, 09:09 PM
Yeah, that is a possibility. I'm not sure many of the people on the site consider the issue to be at such a level where a radical overhaul of things is required. I've not been here long enough really to know whether it's getting better or worse.

One of the other issues is: just because a person gets banned doesn't mean they can't come back again. I don't know if that's something they could perhaps fix?

Chrissie-fan
Jun 20th, 2011, 09:23 PM
Yeah, that is a possibility. I'm not sure many of the people on the site consider the issue to be at such a level where a radical overhaul of things is required. I've not been here long enough really to know whether it's getting better or worse.
GM has been like this for as long as I've been a member, but the concentrated, never-ending bashing of one player by so many creeps as is the case here with Wozniacki is something I've never seen before. It sometimes happened to other players after a controversial match, but never for as long and to this degree, and for no obvious reason at that.

One of the other issues is: just because a person gets banned doesn't mean they can't come back again. I don't know if that's something they could perhaps fix?
Well, they could check the IP adresses of new members to see if they are the same as those of banned members. That's an incredible amount of work though, especially on a forum as popular as this one.

postalblowfish
Jun 20th, 2011, 09:29 PM
Well, they could check the IP adresses of new members to see if they are the same as those of banned members. That's an incredible amount of work though, especially on a forum as popular as this one.

Aye.

Something I don't understand is the business model for this site. An obvious answer to this whole issue would be that if the Woz-bashing got to such a point where it was actually making a dent in their profits then they may be more serious about dealing with it. But, yeah. I doubt that's going to be an eventuality we arrive at anytime soon.

There must just be something about Woz that kind of sets off this sort of reaction in people. I'm not sure what it is. I could have a guess but I don't know how accurate I'd be.

Chrissie-fan
Jun 20th, 2011, 09:50 PM
Aye.

Something I don't understand is the business model for this site. An obvious answer to this whole issue would be that if the Woz-bashing got to such a point where it was actually making a dent in their profits then they may be more serious about dealing with it. But, yeah. I doubt that's going to be an eventuality we arrive at anytime soon.

There must just be something about Woz that kind of sets off this sort of reaction in people. I'm not sure what it is. I could have a guess but I don't know how accurate I'd be.
Well, as I've said in an older post, I don't really understand why we're posting at GM at all. The only reason why I'm back posting there is that a one man boycott is of no consequence. But if the Woz community would ever collectively decide not to post any longer at GM until the over the top hate towards Caro - and especially the tolerance thereof ceased to exist I'd be the first to support it. We obviously haven't reached that point yet, but I can imagine that there might come a time when it's the only option that's left.

Burisleif
Jun 20th, 2011, 09:57 PM
It's pretty much the same 30 odd posters at the heart of it. One gets banned, then pouf! miraculously a new one appears... Of those 30 they are developing synchronised speech idiosyncrasies too. Posters of similar tone and fan base using the same Latin legal terms... Tracking IP's is easy, this issue is that you can change your IP in between 30 mins to 24 hrs depending on your provider and service type.

To me it feels like a dodgy 1970's public house, you have the same drunken bad mouthed regulars churning a steady income stream... In the modern world they are relegated to the park bench, and suddenly you have families, couples, locals, and a higher turnover.

Keeping the current status-quo doesn't fit with the expansion of the WTA, It's broad appeal, or tap its enormous fan base. I can't see any business reason for not clamping down. I Can't see sponsors running to this forum to be associated with GM.

Burisleif
Jun 20th, 2011, 10:01 PM
Well, as I've said in an older post, I don't really understand why we're posting at GM at all. The only reason why I'm back posting there is that a one man boycott is of no consequence. But if the Woz community would ever collectively decide not to post any longer at GM until the over the top hate towards Caro - and especially the tolerance thereof ceased to exist I'd be the first to support it. We obviously haven't reached that point yet, but I can imagine that there might come a time when it's the only option that's left.

a large portion of the Caroline fan base seem not to post in her player section at all.

Chrissie-fan
Jun 20th, 2011, 10:06 PM
a large portion of the Caroline fan base seem not to post in her player section at all.
Yeah, I've noticed that also. It definitely would be very difficult to get them to support any such action. O well, it was just an idea.

Burisleif
Jun 28th, 2011, 03:17 AM
I was pretty infuriated today to see a GM moderator posting what was essentially a pretty outrageous dose of smilies (:haha::happy:) and snark comments in the match thread in GM.

I guess that clarifies why so many abusive trolls are allowed to roam free, when the moderators share the sentiment, and permaban posters who dare do the same against say Maria and those that abuse Caro, even in a non abusive way.

Chrono (I hope Caro gets stabbed) is of course back, we still have abusive anti Caro hate posts from a hard core group of trolls that have been just as offensive. and we still don't have representation in GM.

By "special dynamic" are we supposed to read, protected status for certain trolls due to association?

I would love answers on this.

I give a very nice rendition of extreme verbal abuse if that's what admin expects and prefers from members, and will happily help boost the "special dynamic" in every non Caro player thread, and hell even in Caro threads if that helps. I might even know some words that would shock the trolls. just let me know.

Thanks.

postalblowfish
Jun 28th, 2011, 08:13 AM
You might end up getting banned if you started ragin' through GM, homeslice.

It seems to be like a mob mentality. There are a few kinda leaders and then a fair few others who just follow along with it.

Chrissie-fan
Jun 28th, 2011, 09:59 AM
I was pretty infuriated today to see a GM moderator posting what was essentially a pretty outrageous dose of smilies (:haha::happy:) and snark comments in the match thread in GM.

I guess that clarifies why so many abusive trolls are allowed to roam free, when the moderators share the sentiment, and permaban posters who dare do the same against say Maria and those that abuse Caro, even in a non abusive way.

Chrono (I hope Caro gets stabbed) is of course back, we still have abusive anti Caro hate posts from a hard core group of trolls that have been just as offensive. and we still don't have representation in GM.

By "special dynamic" are we supposed to read, protected status for certain trolls due to association?

I would love answers on this.

I give a very nice rendition of extreme verbal abuse if that's what admin expects and prefers from members, and will happily help boost the "special dynamic" in every non Caro player thread, and hell even in Caro threads if that helps. I might even know some words that would shock the trolls. just let me know.

Thanks.
Well, WTF are we even posting there? The mods obviously approve of the Caro bashing.
Take a look at this thread. Loads of posts ridiculing our girl, but as soon as I post a rather sarcastic (but perfectly polite) reply to all the crap (see the bottom of page three) the thread gets closed down within minutes.

http://www.tennisforum.com/showthread.php?t=439076

The Reff
Jun 28th, 2011, 10:29 AM
Well, WTF are we even posting there? The mods obviously approve of the Caro bashing.
Take a look at this thread. Loads of posts ridiculing our girl, but as soon as I post a rather sarcastic (but perfectly polite) reply to all the crap (see the bottom of page three) the thread gets closed down within minutes.

http://www.tennisforum.com/showthread.php?t=439076

I think you're are reading that wrongly. You did two things in your post:
1 Pointed out the bashing (and that this was a bashing thread) - and
2 Mentioned that some Carofans actually also support the place financially

I think maybe your post played a part in getting the thread closed (see the bolded part above)
I have noticed an (ever so slightly) increase in people stating annoyance with the amount of Caro bashing in forum, since the last clamp-down on trolling (claycourter, spiffy and lately slugga-something) and I have noticed that this has resulted in threads getting closed.
It has not exactly put things (bashing-wise) to a standstill, but they have calmed down a bit (wonder if the return of WS is also a factor) and threads are not allowed to flourish to quite the same extent.
It's not enough and there's a lot of putrid posting, but something has changed - or so it feels to me.

Chrissie-fan
Jun 28th, 2011, 11:22 AM
I didn't say that some fans support the place financially. I said that I support the place financially. I became a so-called "premium member" the other day, which costs 25 dollars. And what do you get back in return? Nothing more than the ability to choose a slightly bigger avatar. I was already enjoying the privilege to be pissed on by a bunch of psychotic trolls for free. :lol:

DownInAHole
Jun 28th, 2011, 11:57 AM
I didn't say that some fans support the place financially. I said that I support the place financially. I became a so-called "premium member" the other day, which costs 25 dollars. And what do you get back in return? Nothing more than the ability to choose a slightly bigger avatar. I was already enjoying the privilege to be pissed on by a bunch of psychotic trolls for free. :lol:

Ah-ha but having spent the twenty-five dollars now you may find that the "psychotic trolls" piss you off much quicker and easier than they did before. Membership does have it's privileges. :lol:

Chrissie-fan
Jun 28th, 2011, 12:36 PM
Ah-ha but having spent the twenty-five dollars now you may find that the "psychotic trolls" piss you off much quicker and easier than they did before. Membership does have it's privileges. :lol:
Yep, there are supposed to be some perks for premium members. I suppose this is one of them.:lol: There's also an extra message board that's available only to us. But nobody ever posts there except for to ask where or what the perks are. :lol:

Burisleif
Jun 28th, 2011, 12:52 PM
It seems to be like a mob mentality. There are a few kinda leaders and then a fair few others who just follow along with it.

Indeed it is, and certain moderators can stand there and pretend they aren't a factor all they want.


Well, WTF are we even posting there? The mods obviously approve of the Caro bashing.
Take a look at this thread. Loads of posts ridiculing our girl, but as soon as I post a rather sarcastic (but perfectly polite) reply to all the crap (see the bottom of page three) the thread gets closed down within minutes.

http://www.tennisforum.com/showthread.php?t=439076

Google. TF pops up like a beacon of absurdity. As long as it does, and as long as it's tainted by a minority narcissistic fans desperate at their own favorites abject failures, it's an issue.

The tread closure is a good thing imho, deletion would have been better. My thanks go ArturoAce, and your self for the effort.

I have noticed an (ever so slightly) increase in people stating annoyance with the amount of Caro bashing in forum, since the last clamp-down on trolling (claycourter, spiffy and lately slugga-something) and I have noticed that this has resulted in threads getting closed.
It has not exactly put things (bashing-wise) to a standstill, but they have calmed down a bit (wonder if the return of WS is also a factor) and threads are not allowed to flourish to quite the same extent.
It's not enough and there's a lot of putrid posting, but something has changed - or so it feels to me.

WS return is a factor because Trolls are getting banned when turning their efforts towards them. However a reduction in muggings on your doorstep isn't the same as a cessation. Onwards...

Burisleif
Jun 28th, 2011, 01:02 PM
Yep, there are supposed to be some perks for premium members. I suppose this is one of them.:lol: There's also an extra message board that's available only to us. But nobody ever posts there except for to ask where or what the perks are. :lol:

What's more absurd is that an offensive post might result in a short ban for a "special dynamic member" but they are then allowed to return will all the credits, reputation, and privileges that they had before the temporary ban.

Also, the number of new member who instantly develop an intimate knowledge of the nature of the place and adopt an almost identical offensive stance to a recently departed member is well, 'spiritually enlightening' I never really believed in reincarnation for TF, but how can one doubt it when its so prevalent here? Overjoyed at the revelation of just such reincarnations, and bursting to share the joyous news, I often share my delight with the moderators, but alas they never share my happiness.

DownInAHole
Jun 28th, 2011, 01:41 PM
What's more absurd is that an offensive post might result in a short ban for a "special dynamic member" but they are then allowed to return will all the credits, reputation, and privileges that they had before the temporary ban.

Also, the number of new member who instantly develop an intimate knowledge of the nature of the place and adopt an almost identical offensive stance to a recently departed member is well, 'spiritually enlightening' I never really believed in reincarnation for TF, but how can one doubt it when its so prevalent here? Overjoyed at the revelation of just such reincarnations, and bursting to share the joyous news, I often share my delight with the moderators, but alas they never share my happiness.

Agreed. It's very discouraging to see new posters instantly start posting very negative opinions, not just about Caroline but about anyone. I'm always hopeful that there are a limited number of "bad" posters and optimistic that new posters might change the dynamic a bit but it does not look like that will ever happen.

Sometimes I wish that there was a separate sub forum reserved for negative posting. That way they could have their fun and we would be free to talk about tennis without having every thread devolve into reasons why tennis sucks and all the players are horrible.

Chrissie-fan
Jun 28th, 2011, 02:25 PM
Agreed. It's very discouraging to see new posters instantly start posting very negative opinions, not just about Caroline but about anyone. I'm always hopeful that there are a limited number of "bad" posters and optimistic that new posters might change the dynamic a bit but it does not look like that will ever happen.

No chance. I've been a member here for seven years and it's always been like this. If anything the situation is worse than ever before. Most of the quality posters I remember from the early days have long since gone. Blast From the Past is quality wise by far the best forum of TF, but they of course only talk about retired players.

postalblowfish
Jun 28th, 2011, 05:02 PM
I dunno if we could try inviting a few of the non-silly-comment-posting Caro fans from GM to post in this subforum as well.

Protoss
Jul 21st, 2011, 03:33 AM
Can something please be done about general messages threads with Caro bashing getting moved in here?

Also, can certain threads in this forum be stickied?

Thanks. :)

Ryan
Jul 21st, 2011, 03:45 AM
Which threads would you like Stickied? Let me know and I'll see what I can do. :yeah:

I'll take a look at the threads getting moved here and talk in the Mod Forum about it as well. I'll let you know what we turn up.

bruce goose
Jul 21st, 2011, 03:47 AM
Which threads would you like Stickied? Let me know and I'll see what I can do. :yeah:

I'll take a look at the threads getting moved here and talk in the Mod Forum about it as well. I'll let you know what we turn up.Thank you,Ryan:hatoff:....Don't ever be a lyin' bugger like 'DownInAHole';)

DownInAHole
Jul 21st, 2011, 11:38 AM
Thank you,Ryan:hatoff:....Don't ever be a lyin' bugger like 'DownInAHole';)

:eek:

Protoss
Jul 21st, 2011, 08:31 PM
Which threads would you like Stickied? Let me know and I'll see what I can do. :yeah:

I'll take a look at the threads getting moved here and talk in the Mod Forum about it as well. I'll let you know what we turn up.
I'd like the Danish Delight thread, the live scoring thread, the off topic thread, the photo thread, and the video thread to be stickied.

What about the rest of you all?

bruce goose
Jul 22nd, 2011, 02:49 AM
Which threads would you like Stickied? Let me know and I'll see what I can do. :yeah:

I'll take a look at the threads getting moved here and talk in the Mod Forum about it as well. I'll let you know what we turn up.Ryan,I agree with Protoss' suggestions for the sticky threads and,in another thread,I suggested that we not receive GM garbage of a gossippy nature any more than we'd want negative threads.Anything with a positive or praising tone would be welcome

Jimmie48
Jul 22nd, 2011, 02:59 AM
I'd like the Danish Delight thread, the live scoring thread, the off topic thread, the photo thread, and the video thread to be stickied.

What about the rest of you all?

Honestly? I don't see the point as there are not many threads in here, the ones you mentioned are the only ones that are constantly used and at the top anyways.

I don't see how it would make much of a difference.

Ryan
Jul 22nd, 2011, 03:19 AM
Yeah, 5 threads sticked in a Player Subforum is a little much, considering like Jimmie said they are the most frequented threads and stay near the top anyway. I think I'll look around the other player forums to get an idea of what they're like and see what we can work out.

bruce goose, can I ask what you mean by GM garbage of a gossipy nature?

bruce goose
Jul 22nd, 2011, 03:34 AM
Yeah, 5 threads sticked in a Player Subforum is a little much, considering like Jimmie said they are the most frequented threads and stay near the top anyway. I think I'll look around the other player forums to get an idea of what they're like and see what we can work out.

bruce goose, can I ask what you mean by GM garbage of a gossipy nature?Well,in my opinion,the 'Is Caro dating...' thread that was moved here fits that description pretty well.There are obviously lots of GM threads posed as questions where the thread-starter has no intention whatsoever of provoking any intelligent dialogue...and it's also fairly clear that none of the hard-core Caro fans--excluding GM trolls(as we should)--feel the need to start such mindless threads cuz isolated posts can easily cover the simplistic topic.......just look at the fact that Caro hasn't played for a couple weeks...hasn't been busy or making much news--and STILL that Moron-chat dating thread hasn't been touched for a few days

Ryan
Jul 22nd, 2011, 03:40 AM
Oh, ok. Well if its actually in GM I can't do anything - I moderate here and Non-Tennis. If a thread thats basically GM trolls bashing Caro gets moved from GM to here, let me know. I can't promise I'll delete all of them (some may have good discussion or be worth continuing) but for the most part I'll keep this place clear of GM-removed crap.

bruce goose
Jul 22nd, 2011, 03:50 AM
Oh, ok. Well if its actually in GM I can't do anything - I moderate here and Non-Tennis. If a thread thats basically GM trolls bashing Caro gets moved from GM to here, let me know. I can't promise I'll delete all of them (some may have good discussion or be worth continuing) but for the most part I'll keep this place clear of GM-removed crap.That's fine,Ryan;I'm not asking you to go beyond your area of authority...and I doubt that others are,either.

I think we can agree that the aforementioned thread was NOT designed for deep discussion about Caro.It has a thin veneer of innocence as if the thread-starter were asking a question in order to gain information...but that's just pretentious crap...as are other "innocent questions" like 'Who was better at 21?Serena or Caro?'...or 'Is Caro worthy of the HOF?'....they should remain in the GM garbage bin along with other classics such as,'Will this Caro-hater ever move out of his parents' basement and get a job?';)

Burisleif
Feb 5th, 2012, 03:14 AM
Six months later, and I would like to thank the Mods team "aka Ryan" for jumping on intrusions (even if it was 7 days) here in the Caroline section.

Two questions. Ryan, could we please have a list of posters banned from this section for the record and future appraisal (in the very unlikely event that we as a body want them back),

Secondly, I would like to ask opinions on the new team in GM and specifically, the often familiar faces that tend to do there most to offend, and wether you all feel we are in fact represented and respected in terms of moderation in GM?

Ryan
Feb 5th, 2012, 03:15 AM
Hey! I'll check with the Admins to find out exactly who's on the "banned" list here (its not immediately accessible to me) and get back to you ASAP.

Burisleif
Feb 5th, 2012, 03:17 AM
Hey! I'll check with the Admins to find out exactly who's on the "banned" list here (its not immediately accessible to me) and get back to you ASAP.

Damn that was quick :) Thanks...

Ryan
Feb 5th, 2012, 03:39 AM
I'm studying for one of my law school classes, no partying for me tonight. ;)

Burisleif
Feb 5th, 2012, 03:50 AM
I'm studying for one of my law school classes, no partying for me tonight. ;)

Cool, which branch are you aiming for, and how far in are you?

2. Does it cover Canadian corporate liability for defamation of character on publicly available forums, and searchable media?

3. Have you met Gregor Robertson? Any opinion about the guy and his politics?

Ryan
Feb 7th, 2012, 07:36 PM
Sorry for slow reply - will get you the info ASAP.

I'm in the second half of my first year (3-years to get a JD), so not very far along - but loving it though. Not sure what area I want to practice in, keeping my options open until I've had a chance to branch out and take some other classes.

I'll look into those questions, I'm kind of sick right now and can't even process them at this moment. :lol:


If anyone's bored, vote for me in MR TF? ;) Dominated by Serena fans, mostly. http://www.tennisforum.com/showthread.php?p=20914355#post20914355

Caro's looking hot watching Rory lately, I'm enjoying it. :drool:

Burisleif
Feb 7th, 2012, 07:42 PM
Get well asap. :)

Ryan
Feb 9th, 2012, 02:48 AM
Hey guys,

So after consulting with the Admins - I can tell you that we have some people on a "Banned" list, but I'm not at liberty to name who they are. If you think there are people who we'd like to Add, please let me know and recommend them to me. Thats unfortunately all I can do at this point in time, hope thats OK! :cool:

Burisleif
Feb 9th, 2012, 05:09 AM
Hey guys,

So after consulting with the Admins - I can tell you that we have some people on a "Banned" list, but I'm not at liberty to name who they are. If you think there are people who we'd like to Add, please let me know and recommend them to me. Thats unfortunately all I can do at this point in time, hope thats OK! :cool:

Oh well, thanks for looking into it and for the future pointers. :)

marineblue
Feb 16th, 2012, 08:45 AM
I noticed that several non-fans are again trying to stir up trouble in rather patronising way. Can this be looked at? I am not happy seeing the usual suspect of GM coming here and telling us what we should be thinking.:rolleyes:

Chrissie-fan
Feb 16th, 2012, 09:30 AM
I noticed that several non-fans are again trying to stir up trouble in rather patronising way. Can this be looked at? I am not happy seeing the usual suspect of GM coming here and telling us what we should be thinking.:rolleyes:
They should all be judged on an individual basis though. At least in my opinion. Non-fan isn't necessarily always the same as hater, and some of those messages were well intentionned "chin up, it's not that bad" type of posts. I've done those myself in the past on some fan forums of other players and I definitely wasn't trying to stir things up over there. Guest posters (so to speak) can be trolls of course, but others may also be sincere and if they are they can even make valuable contributions.

Just my opinion though. I don't want to be accused again of being too lenient when it comes to visitors. So this will be my last word on the matter. ;)

TennisFan66
Feb 16th, 2012, 09:40 AM
I noticed that several non-fans are again trying to stir up trouble in rather patronising way. Can this be looked at? I am not happy seeing the usual suspect of GM coming here and telling us what we should be thinking.:rolleyes:

I reported 'goofeyduck' (?). I think that's his name. Something similar. That was yesterday and before I could even reply to his post that I'd reported him, it had been deleted. So kudos to mods for that.

DownInAHole
Feb 16th, 2012, 10:12 AM
They should all be judged on an individual basis though. At least in my opinion. Non-fan isn't necessarily always the same as hater, and some of those messages were well intentionned "chin up, it's not that bad" type of posts. I've done those myself in the past on some fan forums of other players and I definitely wasn't trying to stir things up over there. Guest posters (so to speak) can be trolls of course, but others may also be sincere and if they are they can even make valuable contributions.

Just my opinion though. I don't want to be accused again of being too lenient when it comes to visitors. So this will be my last word on the matter. ;)

I agree with you. I did not read the post that TennisFan66 is referring to but the other posts by "outsiders" are fine as far as I am concerned. I welcome these kinds of posts. People who are not fans offer a very different perspective. Since they are not emotionally invested in her results they can often be much more objective than us. Looking at recent posts I would have to conclude that these "outsiders" have in general been much more charitable towards Caroline than many of the regular posters here. I do not see any problems at all.

marineblue
Feb 16th, 2012, 10:22 AM
I reported 'goofeyduck' (?). I think that's his name. Something similar. That was yesterday and before I could even reply to his post that I'd reported him, it had been deleted. So kudos to mods for that.

Well done. :hi5: I think now haters like that enjoy coming here even more because Caro has just lost her ranking. I am not foolish to believe that they came to 'share their constructive opinions'. They are only after bashing and hoping that thanks to their arguments Caro fans lose their confidence. I definitely do not want such people trolling around here. Having seen their posts in GM it's clear what they're all about.

JadeFox
Feb 16th, 2012, 10:27 AM
Well done. :hi5: I think now haters like that enjoy coming here even more because Caro has just lost her ranking. I am not foolish to believe that they came to 'share their constructive opinions'. They are only after bashing and hoping that thanks to their arguments Caro fans lose their confidence. I definitely do not want such people trolling around here. Having seen their posts in GM it's clear what they're all about.

This. My patience with these guys are very small to begin with. I've been on many fan boards of TF and this is the only one that gets repeatedly visited by "non-fans" and straight up haters. What's their purpose? They already got what they wanted: Caro isn't number one anymore. Isn't that enough? :rolleyes:

marineblue
Feb 16th, 2012, 10:47 AM
This. My patience with these guys are very small to begin with. I've been on many fan boards of TF and this is the only one that gets repeatedly visited by "non-fans" and straight up haters. What's their purpose? They already got what they wanted: Caro isn't number one anymore. Isn't that enough? :rolleyes:

Purpose? Well, I am pretty sure that a lot of these poor souls cannot stand/hate Caroline on a personal level. You can see that in some of the posts at GM these freaks post reel off real vitriol. She was even called racist names and there was poking fun at her Polish roots. Go figure :rolleyes:

Also, I think they were and still are jealous about Caroline's achievements and attention she gets unlike their faves.

For this reason I think we should be very strict when it comes to allowing non-fans here. If I am not a fan of someone I don't go to their player section. It's that simple.

JadeFox
Feb 16th, 2012, 10:49 AM
Purpose? Well, I am pretty sure that a lot of these poor souls cannot stand/hate Caroline on a personal level. You can see that in some of the posts at GM these freaks post reel off some real vitriol. She was even called racist names and there was poking fun at her Polish roots. Go figure :rolleyes:

Also, I think they were and still are jealous about Caroline's achievements and attention she gets unlike their faves.

For this reason I think we should be very strict when it comes to allowing non-fans here. If I am not a fan of someone I don't go to their player section. It's that simple.

We're of the same mind marineblue. Are you my twin? :eek: ;)

marineblue
Feb 16th, 2012, 10:54 AM
We're of the same mind marineblue. Are you my twin? :eek: ;)

Perhaps you've just found a soulmate :lol:

Burisleif
Feb 16th, 2012, 01:38 PM
Both the CF/DIAH alliance, and the TF/MB/JF popular front have valid arguments here. :)

There are still a few posters on TF that are not fans of Caroline per se, that are respectful, knowledgeable, and who's observations would potentially be welcomed and valid when presented in a constructive manner, and I too would be welcoming of them here.

However, Posters that routinely post hate, or participate in GM lynch mobs, or quietly and subtly instigate Caro hate in their respective player sections, I feel, should be dealt with in a zero tolerance fashion. If Admin would support pre banning of users that post offensive Anti Caro/Piotr comments I would support that too and provide details. The inevitable intrusion of Dsanders06 into our section (during a match being played by his fav and not against Caroline no less) and his subsequent ban would support this notion?

For every intention there is a paradox, and for balance in an discussion of this nature, it should be noted that active posters here that posters here that feed the GM trolls with anti Caroline ammunition, flame other player sections, and or participate in GM hate towards other players, don't really help in making valid arguments.

In general:

What I find worrying is that that by in large, of the minority of reasoned and knowledgeable posters that actually join TF, their efforts at reasonable posting are soon turned by a majority of active abusive posters. That's what is known as grooming. I don't think that is a trend that TF should be proud of. Nor is the fact that posters groomed in GM style posting now venture onto mass media to spread venom which is often verbatim to that posted here first, and boast about it here on TF. Further, When you read a GM thread and see an active GM Moderator posting in the same thread which contains offensive comments (and I mean offensive not just negative) not having taken action to remove said posts first, it reinforces the posting of abuse by the lack of action taken. Even more impetus is afforded when moderators (even when they don't have GM moderation authority) partake in the posting of derogatory remarks. The active GM mob is a fairly stable participant wise (even if some are reincarnated or duplicitous) of which quite a few are clearly trolls rather than tennis fans. They do, and will push their luck in terms of what they can get away with feeding the mob mentality and drawing in new participants and setting the tone for acceptable abuse. For every banning there is a lull but given time they regain their confidence and go back to their old tricks, pushing the boundaries of decency again. If a poster mentions that derogatory abusive posting is fun, they are an Internet troll. It's not rocket science.

An example to consider:

A certain infamous TF poster after having seen his favourite being defeated by Caroline, went on to suggest that being stabbed by a new Gunther Parche was the best way to stop Caroline, He received a ban, returned only to use his first post to reinforce his hatred in his favourites player section, and despair that he had made a pilgrimage to his favourites home town only to see the main square adorning a Building high poster of Caroline, changed his user ID only to resume activity in Caroline themed GM threads where he was confronted, changed his user ID again, unnoticed joining affiliation in a player section now notorious for harbouring posters with grudges against Caroline, recommencing his GM participation again. the poster has now finally adopted a user ID almost identical to the one used to make the original gunther remark, and is active both in expressing glee in Non Tennis having used twitter to directly communicate derogatory remarks towards Caroline, and ironically express his distaste at a troll in a thread regarding the expose of a notorious racist troll by a TV programme. The fact that a poster of this nature is still tolerated on TF is worrying to say the least.

Regarding Player section sanctuary:

Zamboni has stated that she wishes to be increasingly protective of the Player sections against intrusion, with iirc the proviso that they are not themselves used to foster anti player hate. As such, if a poster posting here is known to you as an abusive anti Caroline poster, then quote> select all> copy> paste> the abusive posts to a text app for reference, perhaps post it in this thread [see clarification required] and include it with the report of their activity here if needed.

Perhaps Ryan or Admin could clarify being that Admin will not provide a list of already banned posters, whether we ourselves are allowed to list those that we have reported and subsequent action taken in this thread for both accounting purposes and to prevent multiple requests to admin/Ryan for bans, and or list notorious Anti Caroline posters here for reference in respect to preemptive bans or when deciding if a report is required?

backhandsmash
Feb 16th, 2012, 01:58 PM
Does this mean I can no longer make Petra Pedobear jokes in the captions thread? :lol:

Burisleif
Feb 16th, 2012, 02:46 PM
Does this mean I can no longer make Petra Pedobear jokes in the captions thread? :lol:

:) I think the use and aspersion of "pedophile" is generally and rightly regarded as unacceptable, even if due to statutory age limits possibly technically correct, consent negates that. Pedo---- or -----phile / -----file would be offensive yes.

As for your personal choice to post in jest regarding the youth of a players boyfriend... that's really not for me to comment on in reference to my post above and something you need to figure out for yourself based on the manner of execution. That would ultimately be the test of the paradox? :)

marineblue
Feb 16th, 2012, 04:02 PM
Does this mean I can no longer make Petra Pedobear jokes in the captions thread? :lol:

There were pedo jokes even in GM which is infested with her fans so if it can get a pass there why not in a player forum which is not hers:angel::shrug:

Chrissie-fan
Feb 16th, 2012, 04:44 PM
Personally I don't have a problem with Kvitova. She's not 'the enemy' for me - just a rival like the rest of them. Some of her fans (and Sharapova's) may be obsessed Caro bashers, but Kvitova or Sharapova themselves aren't responsible for that, so there's no way I'll ever bash them as a payback to their fans. In fact, I'm sure that players would be embarrassed if they saw the behavior of some of their so-called fans at TF. And that's the essence of the problem that the people who run TF refuse to adress - the fact that TF is not a credit to the WTA, which it could and should be, but an embarrassment. Promises to keep the player forums free from trolling are all very well, but those type of people shouldn't be on TF to begin with - not on the player forums, not at GM, not anywhere.

DownInAHole
Feb 16th, 2012, 05:27 PM
Both the CF/DIAH alliance, and the TF/MB/JF popular front have valid arguments here. :)

Alliance/popular front? This makes me feel like it is the allies vs. the axis.:lol:

postalblowfish
Feb 16th, 2012, 06:02 PM
Zamboni has stated that he wishes to be increasingly protective of the Player sections against intrusion

She. :)

The rest of it: great post.

terjw
Feb 16th, 2012, 09:02 PM
Personally I don't have a problem with Kvitova. She's not 'the enemy' for me - just a rival like the rest of them. Some of her fans (and Sharapova's) may be obsessed Caro bashers, but Kvitova or Sharapova themselves aren't responsible for that, so there's no way I'll ever bash them as a payback to their fans. In fact, I'm sure that players would be embarrassed if they saw the behavior of some of their so-called fans at TF. And that's the essence of the problem that the people who run TF refuse to adress - the fact that TF is not a credit to the WTA, which it could and should be, but an embarrassment. Promises to keep the player forums free from trolling are all very well, but those type of people shouldn't be on TF to begin with - not on the player forums, not at GM, not anywhere.

Exactly. 100% agree.

Malva
Feb 16th, 2012, 09:46 PM
Personally I don't have a problem with Kvitova. She's not 'the enemy' for me - just a rival like the rest of them. Some of her fans (and Sharapova's) may be obsessed Caro bashers, but Kvitova or Sharapova themselves aren't responsible for that, so there's no way I'll ever bash them as a payback to their fans. In fact, I'm sure that players would be embarrassed if they saw the behavior of some of their so-called fans at TF. And that's the essence of the problem that the people who run TF refuse to adress - the fact that TF is not a credit to the WTA, which it could and should be, but an embarrassment. Promises to keep the player forums free from trolling are all very well, but those type of people shouldn't be on TF to begin with - not on the player forums, not at GM, not anywhere.

I think, the best post I saw on this forum in a long time. At the same time you are stating the facts that should be obvious to anybody who even remotely considers himself a civilized person.

If the forum administrators decided to do their due, by implementing zero tolerance policy for the poisonous vile messages that are now a commonplace in the GM section -- by silencing a dozen or two of the worst offenders -- that would have a great sobering effect on the rest, and would finally provide the space for constructive discussions in GM instead of pathological displays of the vilest instincts, which would not be tolerated in any public space.

goldenlox
Feb 16th, 2012, 09:49 PM
Yeah, GM mods are way too lax. Even thread titles get very offensive.
Some of the posters are just childish and insult players to get noticed. They could easily make a point without the aggressive insults. And its for a lot of players.

marineblue
Feb 16th, 2012, 10:04 PM
Well, the bottom line is they need people to come to this site. Money talks, sad as it is. But I have decided to help the situation by not feeding the trolls. I won't contribute into GM threads which are regarding Caro as much anymore because there's nobody to talk with in a sensible manner.

Malva
Feb 16th, 2012, 10:32 PM
I doubt that the administrators' inertia has anything to do with their concern for 'money'. Lots of internet fora exist supported by paid advertisements yet many enforce quite vigorously their rules of conduct.

I expect that quite a number of potential forum participants is actually repelled or silenced by what they witness going on at GM. That area which is at the same time the most visible part of the forum, has been completely conceded by the administrators to the vilest. If it is attracting anybody to the forum, it is possibly mainly similarly negative characters.

Chrissie-fan
Feb 16th, 2012, 10:52 PM
I doubt that the administrators' inertia has anything to do with their concern for 'money'. Lots of internet fora exist supported by paid advertisements yet many enforce quite vigorously their rules of conduct.

I expect that quite a number of potential forum participants is actually repelled or silenced by what they witness going on at GM. That area which is at the same time the most visible part of the forum, has been completely conceded by the administrators to the vilest. If it is attracting anybody to the forum, it is possibly mainly similarly negative characters.
A little while ago I had a little conversation by PM with one of the GM mods and he said that he knows many people who don't even go there anymore.

TennisFan66
Feb 17th, 2012, 04:35 AM
Well, the bottom line is they need people to come to this site. Money talks, sad as it is. But I have decided to help the situation by not feeding the trolls. I won't contribute into GM threads which are regarding Caro as much anymore because there's nobody to talk with in a sensible manner.

I understand the argument that by allowing vile GM comments and lack of moderation, GM sees large number of hits and advertisement on the threads sell.

But does it really? Those people who post vile comments and the people, who go to GM for the drama, vile comments etc, are they really the target audience for the ads shown?

I am involved in a small e-marketing venture myself and I can assure you, I would personally never put my name (nor money for that matter) to a site, which allows & implicit condones 'GM behaviour'.

Protoss
Feb 17th, 2012, 04:48 AM
So did anyone contact Ryan about the comments recently made in this thread? Perhaps he could address some of them here.

marineblue
Feb 17th, 2012, 06:34 AM
I understand the argument that by allowing vile GM comments and lack of moderation, GM sees large number of hits and advertisement on the threads sell.

But does it really? Those people who post vile comments and the people, who go to GM for the drama, vile comments etc, are they really the target audience for the ads shown?

I am involved in a small e-marketing venture myself and I can assure you, I would personally never put my name (nor money for that matter) to a site, which allows & implicit condones 'GM behaviour'.

OK, but for some companies its quantity (hits) not quality (content) which matters so I think that this site can profit from that. Perhaps the mods are lenient because they are anti-Caroline themselves. I have seen a few of their comments which proved that.

backhandsmash
Feb 17th, 2012, 08:40 AM
There were pedo jokes even in GM which is infested with her fans so if it can get a pass there why not in a player forum which is not hers:angel::shrug:

It is in a GM thread. You know the really funny one with all the pics. I wouldn't do it in here or in her player specific forum. And really, nobody takes the pedo jokes about Petra seriously, or thinks she's a childmolester for that matter.

Chrissie-fan
Feb 17th, 2012, 09:30 AM
It is in a GM thread. You know the really funny one with all the pics. I wouldn't do it in here or in her player specific forum. And really, nobody takes the pedo jokes about Petra seriously, or thinks she's a childmolester for that matter.
O yes, the "caption this" thread, right? :lol: I also used to contribute to that in earler days. I think it's ok to do such stuff there because it's specifically set up for laughs.

Chrissie-fan
Feb 17th, 2012, 10:09 AM
Fan section is for fans.
How do you feel about those people who are not fans, but not haters either? I mean it's very well possible that a neutral would like to discuss Caroline but feels, like most of us here actually, that it can't be done properly at GM because of all the trolling. Such a person might think to himself, "maybe I'll just go to her fan forum where we can talk in a civil manner without being constantly interrupted by idiots and their vile remarks."

marineblue
Feb 17th, 2012, 10:19 AM
How do you feel about those people who are not fans, but not haters either? I mean it's very well possible that a neutral would like to discuss Caroline but feels, like most of us here actually, that it can't be done properly at GM because of all the trolling. Such a person might think to himself, "maybe I'll just go to her fan forum where we can talk in a civil manner without being constantly interrupted by idiots and their vile remarks."

I think they can post civil things in the GM and discuss it there with other normal posters who go there. There is no reason why GM could not be civil,too is it?
The thing is that the usual trolls who come here are trying to pretend they are civil but since we have known them for a long time it's clear that they're not and are just after stirring up shit as someone here rightly pointed out.

TennisFan66
Feb 17th, 2012, 10:29 AM
OK, but for some companies its quantity (hits) not quality (content) which matters so I think that this site can profit from that. Perhaps the mods are lenient because they are anti-Caroline themselves. I have seen a few of their comments which proved that.

I suppose the 'hits' discussion should really in non-tennis and mods topic, so I'll not reply to topic in this thread anymore.

As to the high lighted part. Oh yes. Very much so and probably not wise to go much further into that (unless we want to be perma banned :lol: ), but I too have had 'run ins' with mods on this site in regards to their trolling / uber anti-Caroline comments.

Chrissie-fan
Feb 17th, 2012, 11:06 AM
I think they can post civil things in the GM and discuss it there with other normal posters who go there. There is no reason why GM could not be civil,too is it?
The thing is that the usual trolls who come here are trying to pretend they are civil but since we have known them for a long time it's clear that they're not and are just after stirring up shit as someone here rightly pointed out.
Nope, there is no reason why GM couldn't be civil, but the fact of the matter is that it isn't. And yes, trolls come here to stir up shit, but that doesn't necessarily mean that EVERY visitor fits that category. Finding out who's a troll and who's just a neutral is very easy to do. You just have to go over their posting history, which can be done in five or ten minutes.

marineblue
Feb 17th, 2012, 01:01 PM
I know and I did that. But since I know people who posted here from GM there was no need.

marineblue
Feb 17th, 2012, 01:02 PM
I suppose the 'hits' discussion should really in non-tennis and mods topic, so I'll not reply to topic in this thread anymore.

As to the high lighted part. Oh yes. Very much so and probably not wise to go much further into that (unless we want to be perma banned :lol: ), but I too have had 'run ins' with mods on this site in regards to their trolling / uber anti-Caroline comments.

Oh well, even if they troll that explains it all. Anyway, they should ensure that we do not get trolls here. I can't care less about GM.