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Young 8
May 6th, 2011, 05:14 PM
Full crowd for Federer-Soderling

Is the Combine really a good thing for the WTA ???

Setsuna.
May 6th, 2011, 05:15 PM
:lol:

Miracle Worker
May 6th, 2011, 05:31 PM
Who cares? Dominika and Petra earn enough even with empty stadium...

Matt01
May 6th, 2011, 05:38 PM
Is the Combine really a good thing for the WTA ???


No, it's not. :wavey:

Certinfy
May 6th, 2011, 05:41 PM
Everyone loves Soderking!

edificio
May 6th, 2011, 05:42 PM
Commentator just said there were just 100 viewers. I guess they are all watching to see if Soderling can win his 2nd match against Roger out of 17 tries. :rolleyes:

Methinks Petra/Dominika is more interesting, but...to each his/her own.

Madrid had better crowds for the women last year.

monmonito
May 6th, 2011, 05:50 PM
well still an interesting match

duhcity
May 6th, 2011, 05:53 PM
They're not teh most popular in the world.
And it's not even Soderling. It's Federer. He could play a local junior, and people would still pack it.

I don't get it.

NA-GOAT
May 6th, 2011, 06:18 PM
LOL can you blame the fans for watching Soderling v Fed ??? quality of tennis much higher :sobbing: and players much more famous :shrug:

edificio
May 6th, 2011, 06:19 PM
LOL can you blame the fans for watching Soderling v Fed ??? quality of tennis much higher :sobbing: and players much more famous :shrug:

I'm enjoying Cibulkova/Kvitova.

Kampi
May 6th, 2011, 06:20 PM
Madrid sucks in general in terms of the WTA. I also dislike the atmosphere there. For me it it is like playing in a factory or something, because the whole environment reminds of that. Strange sound and also cold and lifeless. Just a pretty soulless place.

Shinjiro
May 6th, 2011, 06:23 PM
Quite a shame, cause it's a good match too. :/

doomsday
May 6th, 2011, 06:23 PM
Quite a shame, cause it's a good match too. :/

THIS.

edificio
May 6th, 2011, 06:28 PM
Madrid sucks in general in terms of the WTA. I also dislike the atmosphere there. For me it it is like playing in a factory or something, because the whole environment reminds of that. Strange sound and also cold and lifeless. Just a pretty soulless place.

It does have that look, you are right. Also, it always seems gray (weatherwise).

I think last year a gold cat ran across a court during a match. It was exciting. :tape:

Wert.
May 6th, 2011, 06:42 PM
Our commentator talked bout that too.Its not good idea.Mens event should be fillowed by WTA Event...
More people will choose ATP instead of WTA

MK Ultra
May 6th, 2011, 07:23 PM
They're not teh most popular in the world.
And it's not even Soderling. It's Federer. He could play a local junior, and people would still pack it.

I don't get it.

You don't get it?:p:lol:

Le Tenisse
May 6th, 2011, 07:27 PM
Any pics?

bbjpa
May 6th, 2011, 07:28 PM
Pathetic !!! , and Madrid would like to be a GS instead of Roland Garros :spit:

A-Bond
May 6th, 2011, 07:37 PM
Madrid sucks in general in terms of the WTA. I also dislike the atmosphere there. For me it it is like playing in a factory or something, because the whole environment reminds of that. Strange sound and also cold and lifeless. Just a pretty soulless place.

I really really like Madrid, although I agree with everything you said. Just somehow I like the location... But maybe it's just because my faves have done well there, Bondarenko, Szavay, Safina, Goerges, Pavlyuchenkova, Kvitova etc.

itzhak
May 6th, 2011, 07:47 PM
It's not about The WOMEN, even if it was another ATP match between 2 top 10 non-Spanish players, it would be empty if it is in the same time of Federer or Nadal Matches. It's Madrid, not Grand-Slam or Indian Wells/Miami, the people come only to see Roger/ Rafa and few Spanish players...

Juju Nostalgique
May 6th, 2011, 08:01 PM
Spanishes... :weirdo: :smash:


Oh, wait, my ID card... hummm... :dead:

laurie
May 6th, 2011, 08:19 PM
Since Madrid started back in 2009, I think it's been a failure concerning womens Tennis.

It's clearly one clay court tournament too many and now Rome seems to be truncated to a combined event for no apparent reason.

This is very disappointing.

DevilishAttitude
May 6th, 2011, 08:41 PM
I don't agree that the combining of ATP and WTA events is a bad thing. Have people forgotten the attendance for Rome last year when the WTA event was held the week after the ATP event? Attendance was atrocious until the SF's.

The fact is, casual tennis fans will chose ATP over WTA most of the time. Combining the events however, is of more interest to the WTA, than trying to do it the week before or after.

Richie's
May 6th, 2011, 08:53 PM
I've always had the feeling that combined events of ATP and WTA should be the 4 GS's, IW and Miami.

Insteed of that, ATP and WTA could have tried to make tournaments in many countires and cities.

M.A.S.L.
May 6th, 2011, 09:25 PM
Only 15 :eek: if would have know that I would tried to sneak there. Last year we achieved in the Qualies.

Alvarillo
May 6th, 2011, 09:32 PM
i was one of those 15. well, we were many more.

anyway i don't see the surprise, i usually watch WTA matches on tv with empty stands. during the morning, in the main court there were many more spectators watching Goerges or Azarenka.

the withdrawals of the most known players (Kim, WS) and the defeats of some other popular players (Sharapova, Ivanovic, Kuznetsova), don't help to attract crowds. also the poor performance of the spanish wta players ...

obviously between a match featuring Federer and another one featuring Cibulkova, the same situation would happen almost everywhere. sad but true ;)

M.A.S.L.
May 6th, 2011, 09:35 PM
Bueno en verdad no era una disyuntiva Federer o Cibul, sino partidos de la nº2 o partidos de la central.
¿Habrá gente que compre las dos entradas?

New_balls_please
May 6th, 2011, 09:37 PM
Spanishes... :weirdo: :smash:


Oh, wait, my ID card... hummm... :dead:

Hopefully, we will be no longer Spaniards soon! :cheer: :bounce:

New_balls_please
May 6th, 2011, 09:38 PM
Bueno en verdad no era una disyuntiva Federer o Cibul, sino partidos de la nº2 o partidos de la central.
¿Habrá gente que compre las dos entradas?

English, please. This is not the Spanish Armada :tape:

M.A.S.L.
May 6th, 2011, 09:45 PM
That is something I've been wandering. Is there any official language in tennisforum??

Young 8
May 6th, 2011, 09:47 PM
That is something I've been wandering. Is there any official language in tennisforum??

Esperanto

edificio
May 6th, 2011, 09:55 PM
Esperanto

:lol:

M.A.S.L.
May 6th, 2011, 09:56 PM
Why not interlingua? it seems easier

Ferg
May 6th, 2011, 10:16 PM
GOAT vs. Top 5 Double French Finalist who plays 'woah' when on as opposed to two women people dont really know. Its obvious to the casual tennis fan really.

The Dawntreader
May 6th, 2011, 10:25 PM
The problem with these joint tournaments, is that the scheduling is commandeered by the ATP, so the women are often booted out to the lesser courts or put on atrocious hours (see Safina/Sharapova this week). Doesn't exactly seem like fair distribution.

Certinfy
May 6th, 2011, 10:32 PM
And then you've got Ferrer vs Djokovic finishing at 11.30pm local time with a full packed crowd :lol:

The problem with these joint tournaments, is that the scheduling is commandeered by the ATP, so the women are often booted out to the lesser courts or put on atrocious hours (see Safina/Sharapova this week). Doesn't exactly seem like fair distribution.

It's all about the marketing and what not though, can't really blame them for this scheduling, I mean just look at the scheduling at IW and Miami and the ATP suffered quite a bit and when the ATP suffers, a lot of other things suffer...

PhilePhile
May 6th, 2011, 10:47 PM
That is something I've been wandering. Is there any official language in tennisforum??

Bad English.

Linguae^
May 6th, 2011, 11:23 PM
It's not a popular encounter. Sharapova and Zvonareva would do the job, right?

Olórin
May 6th, 2011, 11:28 PM
Madrid sucks in general in terms of the WTA. I also dislike the atmosphere there. For me it it is like playing in a factory or something, because the whole environment reminds of that. Strange sound and also cold and lifeless. Just a pretty soulless place.

+1000

Having a WTA tournament here was not a good idea.

Wimbledon9
May 7th, 2011, 12:31 AM
There was a time when women pulled in large crowds in their own tournaments without the men. Some players could attract 16.000 spectators in an exhibition match and no it were not Sharapova or the William sisters.

The BJK exhibition tournament in Madison Square Garden was replaced by the old men because the ladies did not get a big crowd while the old men did get a capacity crowd. Have you seen the lack of people in Dubai and Quatar? We need variety in play and personalities among the players, for what they achieve they are really overpayed and some former champions were underpayed.

zhengjieforever
May 7th, 2011, 03:01 AM
http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/230/2hdz2p5.jpg

:lol::lol: domi is pretty attractive :)

The Witch-king
May 7th, 2011, 08:20 AM
Unfortunately the final will have fewer people...!

A Magicman
May 7th, 2011, 08:33 AM
Madrid sucks in general in terms of the WTA. I also dislike the atmosphere there. For me it it is like playing in a factory or something, because the whole environment reminds of that. Strange sound and also cold and lifeless. Just a pretty soulless place.

It's not Madrid. It was Estoril before that, too. It's the currently peaking Tour in general.

C. Drone
May 7th, 2011, 09:03 AM
Safina-Görges was packed after Nadal finished his match on Wednesday and was no other match on bigger courts. :lol:

rimon
May 7th, 2011, 09:13 AM
I'm glad that the men still (rightfully) earn more money than the women.

Miracle Worker
May 7th, 2011, 09:45 AM
I'm glad that the men still (rightfully) earn more money than the women.

Chauvinist!!! :p

Shinjiro
May 7th, 2011, 10:03 AM
I'm glad that the men still (rightfully) earn more money than the women.Fedal should moonball and shank for free today.

rimon
May 7th, 2011, 10:05 AM
Chauvinist!!! :p

How so? I believe in equality.

Mekoro
May 7th, 2011, 10:23 AM
Can't blame them. It's a little sad but it is only logical.

ATP = better level of tennis.

And imagine if suddendly Nadal, Federer, Djokovic and Murray stopped to play during one year, 6 months or just played 7 tournaments a year. Berdych would battle Soderling, Monfils and Melzer for number one.... It would not be good.

That's the situation of the WTA right now.

Miracle Worker
May 7th, 2011, 10:26 AM
Can't blame them. It's a little sad but it is only logical.

ATP = better level of tennis.

And imagine if suddendly Nadal, Federer, Djokovic and Murray stopped to play during one year, 6 months or just played 7 tournaments a year. Berdych would battle Soderling, Monfils and Melzer for number one.... It would not be good.

That's the situation of the WTA right now.


And we should blame Henin for this situation.

Mekoro
May 7th, 2011, 12:10 PM
There is nobody at the Kvitova-Li SF match and we are the week end with no ATP matchs played at the same time. :(

Mekoro
May 7th, 2011, 12:11 PM
And we should blame Henin for this situation.

I don't blame Henin. She had a wonderful year where she completely dominated and she also had many years at the top too. After that great year she just lost the fire and the desire to compete. It happens.

Miracle Worker
May 7th, 2011, 12:17 PM
I don't blame Henin. She had a wonderful year where she completely dominated and she also had many years at the top too. After that great year she just lost the fire and the desire to compete. It happens.

Her retirement caused we don't have a real leader in tour. It was first time in WTA history when new leader appeared from nowhere. Without a real fight against previous #1 one.

Hian
May 7th, 2011, 12:19 PM
This is really sad... women's tennis is very attractive, but WTA has not seriously some players who can be considered "superstars"... when Serena and/or Venus will be back, things will be better.

Matt01
May 7th, 2011, 12:22 PM
Chauvinist!!! :p


This ;)

Mekoro
May 7th, 2011, 12:24 PM
Her retirement caused we don't have a real leader in tour. It was first time in WTA history when new leader appeared from nowhere. Without a real fight against previous #1 one.

But Serena and Clijster and Venus are still active, but just not enough.


A premier event SF on Satursday at 2H PM and still empty is so wrong. WTA should consider leaving Madrid.

eck
May 7th, 2011, 12:25 PM
Her retirement caused we don't have a real leader in tour. It was first time in WTA history when new leader appeared from nowhere. Without a real fight against previous #1 one.

It's not her fault the new kids can't step up when it mattered most.

Fantasy Hero
May 7th, 2011, 12:29 PM
combine is good if you don't play simultaniously :shrug:

Mekoro
May 7th, 2011, 12:30 PM
combine is good if you don't play simultaniously :shrug:

How do you explain there are nobody in the Li/Kvitova semi?

Men matchs are after and not sumultaniously.

Miracle Worker
May 7th, 2011, 12:33 PM
It's not her fault the new kids can't step up when it mattered most.

The problem is we didn't have any change on first place. One day Justine Henin was number one with huge lead, and the second day we had new number one. Justine Henin had to fight for this spot, and Maria (I think she became number one after Henin) received this only because Justine decided to finish her career.

And when Steffi had to defeated Martina and Monica, Maria became #1 without nothing... And only because Justine. And that's why first spot is unimportant today.

Miracle Worker
May 7th, 2011, 12:35 PM
Who is Na Li and who is Kvitova when you compare them with Nadal and Federer?

Fantasy Hero
May 7th, 2011, 12:37 PM
How do you explain there are nobody in the Li/Kvitova semi?

Men matchs are after and not sumultaniously.

probably because none gives a damn of watching 2 ballbashers going for really fast rallies made of less than 4 shots :scratch: considering how much spaniards appreciate clay skills i'm not surprised, i my self wouldn't go even if i had a ticket :shrug:

DragonFlame
May 7th, 2011, 12:38 PM
probably because none gives a damn of watching 2 ballbashers going for really fast rallies made of less than 4 shots :scratch: considering how much spaniards appreciate clay skills i'm not surprised, i my self wouldn't go even if i had a ticket :shrug:

More like: who would want to watch this errorfest. How did these 2 women make the semifinals in a clay manditory. :facepalm: Just terrible.

Mekoro
May 7th, 2011, 12:39 PM
probably because none gives a damn of watching 2 ballbashers going for really fast rallies made of less than 4 shots :scratch: considering how much spaniards appreciate clay skills i'm not surprised, i my self wouldn't go even if i had a ticket :shrug:


So you are saying the problem is not the simultaneous play, but in fact the top WTA players of the moment.

Miracle Worker
May 7th, 2011, 12:41 PM
So you are saying the problem is not the simultaneous play, but in fact the top WTA players of the moment.

:yeah:

Top players suck this moment.

goldenlox
May 7th, 2011, 12:54 PM
Kvitova looks like an upcoming star, capable of winning majors.
Domi gave a good fight. If people want to skip this, they missed a good match

Alvarillo
May 7th, 2011, 01:10 PM
by the way, the stadium is huge, probably there are more than 4000 people. so please stop saying that there's no one out there ...

Mekoro
May 7th, 2011, 01:14 PM
by the way, the stadium is huge, probably there are more than 4000 people. so please stop saying that there's no one out there ...

At the start of the match, there were maybe 5-10% of people in seats.

Towards the end it was more like 15-20%. Anyway it is still bad.

http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/669104empty.png

rimon
May 7th, 2011, 01:17 PM
This ;)

How so? I want equality, where the women compete against the men for their money.

eck
May 7th, 2011, 01:27 PM
More like: who would want to watch this errorfest. How did these 2 women make the semifinals in a clay manditory. :facepalm: Just terrible.

Errorfest?
What would you consider 07 USO SF between Chak-Sveta to be?

eck
May 7th, 2011, 01:29 PM
The problem is we didn't have any change on first place. One day Justine Henin was number one with huge lead, and the second day we had new number one. Justine Henin had to fight for this spot, and Maria (I think she became number one after Henin) received this only because Justine decided to finish her career.

And when Steffi had to defeated Martina and Monica, Maria became #1 without nothing... And only because Justine. And that's why first spot is unimportant today.

But that time Maria beat Justine rather handily. It was her year to dominate and observed from her early form. But unfortunately she couldn't sustain it.

The next person in line to grasp that spot was Ivanovic, who won the FO title that year. And...we all know what happened.

It wasn't until end of the year when the slamless number 1 debate came into the equation. And that's when the meaning of being ranked number 1 became murky. (to me anyways)

Matt01
May 7th, 2011, 01:31 PM
How so? I want equality, where the women compete against the men for their money.


Women do not compete aginst men.
Women compete against other women, giving their best. Men do the same with each other. Therefore equal pay.

rimon
May 7th, 2011, 01:40 PM
Women do not compete aginst men.
Women compete against other women, giving their best. Men do the same with each other. Therefore equal pay.

I disagree. Karsten Baasch easily defeated both Venus and Serena, barely trying. Yet he never made as much as them because he was a man. Why don't women compete against men the same way that they do in areas like education and law? The top female players, in reality, would not even be in the top 300 OVERALL tennis players. If you want equal pay, then why not compete against the men for it?

C. Drone
May 7th, 2011, 02:01 PM
same bullshit always. :yawn:

nobody hold a gun to the organizers head. If there is equal pay (mainly at GS) thats just because economicaly does worth it.

Matt01
May 7th, 2011, 04:02 PM
I disagree. Karsten Baasch easily defeated both Venus and Serena, barely trying. Yet he never made as much as them because he was a man. Why don't women compete against men the same way that they do in areas like education and law? The top female players, in reality, would not even be in the top 300 OVERALL tennis players. If you want equal pay, then why not compete against the men for it?


Because it would be unfair since men and women have different body structure :rolleyes:
In other areas like education and law body structure / physical strength doesn't matter.

Corswandt
May 7th, 2011, 05:23 PM
That is something I've been wandering. Is there any official language in tennisforum??

Bad English.

Post of the week.

M.A.S.L.
May 7th, 2011, 11:47 PM
Post of the week.

:haha: Thanks; I've just realize today. What a shame!