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Fantasy Hero
May 6th, 2011, 04:20 PM
i don't understand all the fuss around Vika being the best clay courter or Goerges being a favourite to FO title...
i'm a fan of Vika, but Rome will tell us much more than the last two premiers.
Everyone knows Madrid and Stuttgart for different reasons can hardly be classified as clay unless you consider clay whatever is red and you can slide on it. Both are much much faster courts than the ones the players will find now in Rome and later in Paris.
if i was forced to bet my money i would rather wait for the next week's results instead of going with the flow by doing it now...

Wert.
May 6th, 2011, 04:22 PM
^ I totally agree with this!We must wait until Rome

Frontin
May 6th, 2011, 04:23 PM
does that mean the "real" clay season is 3 weeks long...

NA-GOAT
May 6th, 2011, 04:26 PM
no real red clay included Barcelona, Fes and Estoril :help:

last year the Barcelona champ went on to lift the RG trophy so this year the champ will be Vinci :hearts:

Young 8
May 6th, 2011, 04:27 PM
but Rome will tell us much more than the last two premiers.
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Sure

Martinez Sanchez
Cornet

Patrick345
May 6th, 2011, 04:31 PM
When it is warm and sunny Paris plays like a hardcourt/fast claycourt as well and most of the time it is. :silly:

Fantasy Hero
May 6th, 2011, 04:33 PM
does that mean the "real" clay season is 3 weeks long...
yes and this is shameful for the wta that you have 3 weeks of clay, 3 of grass and maybe 3 in indoor and everything else is on HC
no real red clay included Barcelona, Fes and Estoril :help:

last year the Barcelona champ went on to lift the RG trophy so this year the champ will be Vinci :hearts:
you are right, but the field isn't so good that you can understand the level of the contenders on the surface

Sure

Martinez Sanchez
Cornet
obviously if you look at just the results you don't understand anything about tennis, because you can have your luckiest week in your life when everything works and achieve a great result, much greater than your real potential as well as having a nightmare of a week, but for sure you will see who has to game to make it at the FO much more in Rome than in the 2 tournaments i named before

Lucemferre
May 6th, 2011, 04:37 PM
Hard court is the new clay :o:o:o:o And clay is turning into hard court.You're right though. Madrid isn't similar to FO but on the men's side Madrid winners went on to win the FO too:tape:

mk27
May 6th, 2011, 04:44 PM
Rome is more a hard court than a clay court, even Sampras was able to win there :lol:

SVK
May 6th, 2011, 04:49 PM
Hard court is the new clay :o:o:o:o And clay is turning into hard court.

Yup, European claycourts are ridiculously fast this year (Marbella and especially Madrid) while USA hardcourts in IW and Miami were slower than ass. When I was watching Federer - Lopez I thought itīs playing on orange grass...unbelievably fast, almost no rallies. Already Q matches gave us some signs. If Zuzana Kucova is winning 16 points in a row behind her serve you know there is something wrong...also those enormous numbers of aces.

Noctis
May 6th, 2011, 04:50 PM
Paris courts is fast too 。I am just saying :oh:

Dave.
May 6th, 2011, 05:09 PM
None of them really make much difference, especially not these days, since RG itself is so varied and dependent on the conditions.

Didn't someone do the stats for how many times the RG champ came from the Rome/Berlin/Charleston winner a while ago?

Curcubeu
May 6th, 2011, 05:11 PM
Alexandra reached quarterfinal Miami on Hard :D
Got blew off the court by Kvitova in Madrid on clay :o

enough said... :shrug:

But I'm curious to look at Brussels because forecasts predicted some rain and cooler weather there...

Vikapower
May 6th, 2011, 05:22 PM
i don't understand all the fuss around Vika being the best clay courter or Goerges being a favourite to FO title...
i'm a fan of Vika, but Rome will tell us much more than the last two premiers.
Everyone knows Madrid and Stuttgart for different reasons can hardly be classified as clay unless you consider clay whatever is red and you can slide on it. Both are much much faster courts than the ones the players will find now in Rome and later in Paris.
if i was forced to bet my money i would rather wait for the next week's results instead of going with the flow by doing it now...

Right... anybody with a right mind knows that Vika isn't the best clay courter... she's in very good form but not the best clay courter...

And as for Julia it's the bandwagoners who create all the fuss around her... Julia is doing very well but RG is another dimension and there is still plenty of tennis to be played in between.

C. Drone
May 6th, 2011, 05:27 PM
bring back Berlin

stangtennis
May 6th, 2011, 05:33 PM
French Open use smaller and hence faster balls than the rest of the clay tournaments.

Miracle Worker
May 6th, 2011, 05:44 PM
And The Empress will shine again :hearts:

goldenlox
May 6th, 2011, 06:00 PM
Who did Roddick lose to? This is clay.
The WTA doesnt have Nadal, and clay monsters.
There was Henin. But now, no one.

Matt01
May 6th, 2011, 06:03 PM
Everyone knows Madrid and Stuttgart for different reasons can hardly be classified as clay unless you consider clay whatever is red and you can slide on it. Both are much much faster courts than the ones the players will find now in Rome and later in Paris.


Stuttgart uses the same clay as RG (even thogh the conditions are of course a bit diffrent). Stuttgart winner of 2010 also won RG.
The Rome winner in the last 20 years very seldomly also won RG the same year.

:wavey:

Juju Nostalgique
May 6th, 2011, 06:09 PM
Oh OK so Pushniacki can win RG then, right? :shrug: :weirdo:

Miracle Worker
May 6th, 2011, 06:10 PM
Who is Carmen for president :oh:

stangtennis
May 6th, 2011, 06:14 PM
Stuttgart uses the same clay as RG
Unlike RG and all other outdoor clay tournaments, there's oil mixed into the clay in Stuttgart because it's indoors and they can't water it like they do with outdoor clay. That's why the Stuttgart clay is more shiny.

Matt01
May 6th, 2011, 06:15 PM
Unlike RG and all other outdoor clay tournaments, there's oil mixed into the clay in Stuttgart because it's indoors and they can't water it like they do with outdoor clay.


OK, but otherwise it's the same :p ;)

NA-GOAT
May 6th, 2011, 06:20 PM
Stuttgart uses the same clay as RG (even thogh the conditions are of course a bit diffrent). Stuttgart winner of 2010 also won RG.
The Rome winner in the last 20 years very seldomly also won RG the same year.

:wavey:

uh what? the Stuttgart winner of 2010 won RG :confused:

stangtennis
May 6th, 2011, 06:20 PM
OK, but otherwise it's the same :p ;)
Maybe, I don't know. But I do know the players says the Stuttgart clay has a different feel than outdoor clay because of the oil.

Matt01
May 6th, 2011, 06:40 PM
uh what? the Stuttgart winner of 2010 won RG :confused:


2009, sorry.

Fantasy Hero
May 6th, 2011, 07:00 PM
Stuttgart uses the same clay as RG (even thogh the conditions are of course a bit diffrent). Stuttgart winner of 2010 also won RG.
The Rome winner in the last 20 years very seldomly also won RG the same year.

:wavey:

Unlike RG and all other outdoor clay tournaments, there's oil mixed into the clay in Stuttgart because it's indoors and they can't water it like they do with outdoor clay. That's why the Stuttgart clay is more shiny.

OK, but otherwise it's the same :p ;)

Maybe, I don't know. But I do know the players says the Stuttgart clay has a different feel than outdoor clay because of the oil.

i think you already got your answer...more than that i don't see why did you have to get so defensive? i'm not talking bad about your beloved tournament, it is indeed a great tournament, but all the players say it's not like playing on clay!
more than that indoor conditions make the SAME clay much faster because it's drier!

Matt01
May 6th, 2011, 07:08 PM
i think you already got your answer...more than that i don't see why did you have to get so defensive? i'm not talking bad about your beloved tournament, it is indeed a great tournament, but all the players say it's not like playing on clay!
more than that indoor conditions make the SAME clay much faster because it's drier!


I just pointed out to you that the Stuttgart winner of 2010 2009 won RGthe same year and that the Rome winner very rarely also wins RG. I'm not defensive :)

King Halep
May 6th, 2011, 07:15 PM
yes and this is shameful for the wta that you have 3 weeks of clay, 3 of grass and maybe 3 in indoor and everything else is on HC

you are right, but the field isn't so good that you can understand the level of the contenders on the surface



thats what most fans want, a tour full of hc events and ball bashing hc baseline champions, look at the players who are 'essential' to the WTA

Fantasy Hero
May 6th, 2011, 07:47 PM
I just pointed out to you that the Stuttgart winner of 2010 2009 won RGthe same year and that the Rome winner very rarely also wins RG. I'm not defensive :)
then sorry if i missunderstood what you meant
thats what most fans want, a tour full of hc events and ball bashing hc baseline champions, look at the players who are 'essential' to the WTA

i don't wanna watch it :sobbing:

TheHangover
May 6th, 2011, 07:49 PM
sorry to delude you but on Supertennis (italian tennis federation tv channel) tournament organizers said that this year they wanted to make the "iced" clay, the faster court possible because they said that they really would love to see federer win the tournament!!! i really hope this is fast as hardcourt

Curcubeu
May 6th, 2011, 08:02 PM
Yeah, why don't transform all the courts into hard... :sobbing: :o

I don't get it! Is standard/old schooled clay tennis so boring or maybe I'm in minority? :weirdo:

Do we want to see all players having the same game? I like drop shots, slices or call it junk balls or whatever and prefer it definitely over brainless bashing... :shrug:

Fantasy Hero
May 6th, 2011, 08:04 PM
i think tennis is losing on spectacularity by leveling all the soufaces like the same one :o

Fantasy Hero
May 6th, 2011, 08:06 PM
Yeah, why don't transform all the courts into hard... :sobbing: :o

I don't get it! Is standard/old schooled clay tennis so boring or maybe I'm in minority? :weirdo:

Do we want to see all players having the same game? I like drop shots, slices or call it junk balls or whatever and prefer it definitely over brainless bashing... :shrug:

you are not alone my friend, but i think you and me are the minority

SVK
May 6th, 2011, 08:13 PM
Yeah, why don't transform all the courts into hard... :sobbing: :o

I don't get it! Is standard/old schooled clay tennis so boring or maybe I'm in minority? :weirdo:

Do we want to see all players having the same game? I like drop shots, slices or call it junk balls or whatever and prefer it definitely over brainless bashing... :shrug:

I understand people who prefer watching agressive players, of course when they are on, it can be very attracive match, but you are right, itīs good when you see player with some variety, not just bashing, bashing and bashing. I also like watching matches in fast grass but not because the players are trying to make a winner from baseline in every possible shot, they should have some variety, using slices, dropshot, lobs, having good net game, trying to serve volleying etc...and just then itīs really exciting.

Uranus
May 6th, 2011, 11:35 PM
But I'm curious to look at Brussels because forecasts predicted some rain and cooler weather there...
You know it 10 days before it starts? :eek: It's been incredibly warm the last few weeks, over 30°C this weekend. Seems like it's getting cooler later though.

zhengjieforever
May 7th, 2011, 12:05 AM
yeah, i wish the clay and grass seasons were longer, because otherwise it's almost like what's the point.. 3 weeks and boom it's over. who will spend excessive time on clay or grass when they barely even matter?

the tennis season is about 11 months long right? so maybe 5 months of hard, 3 of clay, and 3 of grass.

personally i don't like clay because jie sucks on it, so i don't mind its length. but the grass season really needs to get longer :help:

goldenlox
May 7th, 2011, 12:22 AM
There are a lot of clay tournaments, starting with Charleston thru RG.
There's very little grass, which used to be serve/volley dominated. But eventually the grass will play like slow, slippery hardcourt.

Nicolás89
May 7th, 2011, 01:10 AM
:help: Madrid is just as fast as RG, it is Rome that it is too slow.

Curcubeu
May 7th, 2011, 07:12 AM
You know it 10 days before it starts? :eek: It's been incredibly warm the last few weeks, over 30°C this weekend. Seems like it's getting cooler later though.

weather radar! :hehehe:

Yeah, but it's still vague to predict how the weather will be! :)

MaBaker
May 7th, 2011, 07:15 AM
That's right. This stupid fake clay is no good for Jelena.

doomsday
May 7th, 2011, 07:25 AM
FO is also pretty fast, so these warm up are a good indication.

Beny
May 7th, 2011, 07:28 AM
Itīs not like 'a clay court' specialist is going to win RG for sure anyway.

Azarenka is the favourite and should be the favourite simply because her form is incredible. No matter how much of a clay court specialist she is or not. She is hitting the ball better than the rest of the girls.

I really hope she and Kim are in the opposite side of the draw, because the winner of their match will probably be the winner of the whole thing.

Mekoro
May 7th, 2011, 09:06 AM
WTA should try to schedule a tournament at Monte Carlo.

This is true clay, the same one used at RG and it is really slow. Barcelona is similar too.

Lucemferre
May 7th, 2011, 09:17 AM
sorry to delude you but on Supertennis (italian tennis federation tv channel) tournament organizers said that this year they wanted to make the "iced" clay, the faster court possible because they said that they really would love to see federer win the tournament!!! i really hope this is fast as hardcourt

Good news if true.But federer should have won in 2006:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: