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M.S.F
May 5th, 2011, 02:08 PM
This Intifada is taken seriously by Arab & Muslims.
The date is May 15 and alot of people all around the Islamic World are preparing for it.
The plan is :
- 13\5 Friday of the Horn
- 14\5 Saturday of the Roar
- 15\5 Sunday of Liberation
There is now official website after blocking the Facebook page many times.
http://www.3rdintifada.com/

http://www.3rdintifada.com/getImage.php?img=138&w=700

:)

Darop.
May 6th, 2011, 10:33 PM
Wow, I'd heard alot about this but didn't know they had set dates and everything :confused:
Well, what's to say :shrug: I never encourage violence of any kind, but when that's the last and only possible way they have to obtain their legitimate rights and since many see fighting for their (hopefully future) country the only thing that gives meaning to their otherwise disastered life (especially Gazans), then there's not much I condemn, BUT I don't think it's a great time since Hamas and Fatah have just established a pact.
Can't they wait to see how the pact/possible international recognition go, and then try with the intifada? I mean they've had to wait so long (sadly), can't they just hang on a bit longer? :o I don't think an intifada would help the cause of international recognition.

P.S. I suggest you get this thread moved into the political subforum ;)

M.S.F
May 7th, 2011, 09:44 AM
Wow, I'd heard alot about this but didn't know they had set dates and everything :confused:
Well, what's to say :shrug: I never encourage violence of any kind, but when that's the last and only possible way they have to obtain their legitimate rights and since many see fighting for their (hopefully future) country the only thing that gives meaning to their otherwise disastered life (especially Gazans), then there's not much I condemn, BUT I don't think it's a great time since Hamas and Fatah have just established a pact.
Can't they wait to see how the pact/possible international recognition go, and then try with the intifada? I mean they've had to wait so long (sadly), can't they just hang on a bit longer? :o I don't think an intifada would help the cause of international recognition.

P.S. I suggest you get this thread moved into the political subforum ;)

Yes, those are the people who are really fighting for their freedom.
It's really complicated situation right now and i'm not really sure about how successful this will gonna be with all what is happening in other Arab countries.
But it's better than nothing and hopefully there is something positive out of this.

There will be more news and details in the next days.

M.S.F
May 13th, 2011, 12:41 PM
Pictures from today in Egypt

http://imageshack.us/m/845/9896/20110513153058.jpg

http://imageshack.us/m/35/6175/20110513152807.jpg

http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/228392_139820922761692_103622369714881_198866_6283 179_n.jpg

http://imageshack.us/m/849/9683/20110513152921.jpg

http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/230812_183862191664921_170317406352733_498454_4249 222_n.jpg

http://imageshack.us/m/855/8876/20110513152658.jpg

TeamUla
May 13th, 2011, 01:11 PM
Really people from so many countries care about Palestina? :weirdo:

A Magicman
May 13th, 2011, 01:46 PM
I wish they'd all blow up themselves wherever they are. Final intifada.

Darop.
May 13th, 2011, 01:49 PM
Really people from so many countries care about Palestina? :weirdo:

huh? :o

I wish they'd all blow up themselves wherever they are. Final intifada.

:scared: uhmm...... okay......

homogenius
May 13th, 2011, 02:49 PM
Pictures from today in Egypt

http://imageshack.us/m/845/9896/20110513153058.jpg

http://imageshack.us/m/35/6175/20110513152807.jpg

http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/228392_139820922761692_103622369714881_198866_6283 179_n.jpg

http://imageshack.us/m/849/9683/20110513152921.jpg

http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/230812_183862191664921_170317406352733_498454_4249 222_n.jpg

http://imageshack.us/m/855/8876/20110513152658.jpg

poor Egypt :sad:

M.S.F
May 14th, 2011, 09:56 PM
Very intense fights at Jerusalem

http://www.3rdintifada.com/getImage.php?img=204&w=700

http://www.3rdintifada.com/getImage.php?img=215&w=700


Milad Samir Ayyash (16 years), the first Palestinian killed in the Intifada

http://www.palestine-info.info/ar/DataFiles/Cache/TempImgs/2011/1/images2011_may_15_VG_300_0.png


http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/230068_130264043717172_119605611449682_193093_5496 410_n.jpg


Egyptians near the Suez Canal Bridge

http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/225253_140116876065430_103622369714881_200102_1008 955_n.jpg

Sean.
May 14th, 2011, 11:39 PM
Yes, those are the people who are really fighting for their freedom.

It's so hypocritical for the Arab nations to criticise Israel for human rights abuses. What about the rights of women and other minorities in the Arab world? When's their Infitada.

Darop.
May 14th, 2011, 11:47 PM
It's so hypocritical for the Arab nations to criticise Israel for human rights abuses. What about the rights of women and other minorities in the Arab world? When's their Infitada.

:tape: When neither men nor women have basic human and economic rights, and when you're a gazan and don't even have access to water, women's rights doesn't even cross your mind. First they'll try to obtain basic rights, then maybe the gender equality issue can step in. And, as far as palestinians are concerned (both palestinians in "palestine" and those who are refugees) compared to the rest of the arab world, women are treated well and equality really isn't an issue.

And I hate the generalization of "arab world" as one huge country and population, each country and population are extremely unique, socially and historically. Palestinians will think about fighting their battle, women in other arab countries will fight theirs when and if they want. And, even if you're statement made sense, Israel's violations of human rights towards the palestinians, year after year and event after event, doesn't even come near keeping women in a subordinate social position.

Sean.
May 14th, 2011, 11:56 PM
Violence isn't going to solve the issue though. It's just going to make Israel even more militaristic!

Darop.
May 15th, 2011, 12:12 AM
Violence isn't going to solve the issue though. It's just going to make Israel even more militaristic!

I completely agree, but that's the only last possibility/desire these frustrated people have. Diplomacy has failed time and time again.
UN substantally tried to get in many times, both denouncing human rights violations and trying to get some resolutions going, but the US blocked every possibility with it's veto power as a security council member.
Israel said it wouldn't debate with a divided government, so Fatah and Hamas reconciled and now Israel is saying it still refuses to deal.
When the wikileaks period was in full flow, a series of documents came out on Israel-Palestine relations. Palestinian authority was willing to give Israel Jerusalem and a nice slice of west bank, but Israel still refused :tape: :help: And Condoleeza Rice suggested sending palestinian refugees off to south america :haha: :weirdo:
The block on Gaza has seriously reached incredibly inhumane conditions.

So, what else is there really left to do than not pick up rocks and start throwing them? :shrug:

Joana
May 15th, 2011, 12:27 AM
Really people from so many countries care about Palestina? :weirdo:

That's what's always baffled me too.

M.S.F
May 15th, 2011, 01:07 AM
It's so hypocritical for the Arab nations to criticise Israel for human rights abuses. What about the rights of women and other minorities in the Arab world? When's their Infitada.

The Palestinians want their right of living a normal life and to get back to their homelands.
And no one is perfect, both sides have fair share of mistakes (bad leaders, pointless wars ...).

As for women rights issue, i am a Saudi man and as you know Saudi Arabia is the most conservative country in the middle east.
Women here aren't oppressed just because the majority cover their faces or driving cars is not allowed, it's just different culture and traditions from what you have in the western countries.
They live normal life and actually more than half of the students at public universities are females.
And don't worry, there is alot of changes happening in Saudi Arabia now and maybe it will not take a long time when women will be allowed to drive.
As for the minorities, i study now at King Fahd University which is located in the eastern province where most of the Shia minority live and there is many Shia students who study at the university and didn't face any problem to get accepted into it and many of them work at well known companies.
It's really sad to see this kind of generalization.

Martian Jeza
May 15th, 2011, 02:08 AM
Yeay, Zionist propaganda, are you proud of it ?

Sean.
May 15th, 2011, 10:24 AM
So, what else is there really left to do than not pick up rocks and start throwing them? :shrug:

It's frustrating because by all accounts progress was being made. This is just going back to square one.

As you pointed out, it's pretty clear Israel is not going to compromise much, you can't blame them when there are still calls for their entire nation to be eradicated, but a solution could still be found. Nothing is going to happen though until the Arab Nations, sorry if that's generalising again, fully support the refugees. At the moment it seems that they support Palestine only when it suits them.

Egypt's government is pretty much in partnership with the Israeli government, Lebanon actively works against the PLO and denies certain basic rights to refugees, and Jordan has denied permanent residency to Palestinians. Moreover, there's more than enough money in Saudi Arabia to significantly improve the standard of living in Gaza should they wish to.

Neither side is to blame, we Brits fucked up royally, but neither side is without fault either!

As for women rights issue, i am a Saudi man and as you know Saudi Arabia is the most conservative country in the middle east.

Women here aren't oppressed just because the majority cover their faces or driving cars is not allowed, it's just different culture and traditions from what you have in the western countries.

They live normal life and actually more than half of the students at public universities are females.

And don't worry, there is alot of changes happening in Saudi Arabia now and maybe it will not take a long time when women will be allowed to drive.

As for the minorities, i study now at King Fahd University which is located in the eastern province where most of the Shia minority live and there is many Shia students who study at the university and didn't face any problem to get accepted into it and many of them work at well known companies.

It's really sad to see this kind of generalization.

Maybe I'm misinformed but aren't women are only allowed to travel, have a job, leave the house, etc. at the discretion of their husband? Yes they might be educated, but only because their closest male relative allows it, and what's the point if they are then restricted in what they can do afterward? Last I checked they weren't allowed to vote either.

I get it that there are cultural differences, but that seems pretty much like oppression to me.

Darop.
May 15th, 2011, 02:42 PM
It's frustrating because by all accounts progress was being made. This is just going back to square one.

As you pointed out, it's pretty clear Israel is not going to compromise much, you can't blame them when there are still calls for their entire nation to be eradicated, but a solution could still be found. Nothing is going to happen though until the Arab Nations, sorry if that's generalising again, fully support the refugees. At the moment it seems that they support Palestine only when it suits them.

Egypt's government is pretty much in partnership with the Israeli government, Lebanon actively works against the PLO and denies certain basic rights to refugees, and Jordan has denied permanent residency to Palestinians. Moreover, there's more than enough money in Saudi Arabia to significantly improve the standard of living in Gaza should they wish to.

Neither side is to blame, we Brits fucked up royally, but neither side is without fault either!


Though Britain might have fucked up, I think it's pointless in calling it out now, the situation has completely escalated and taken on a new dimension. It is true that both parts have made mistakes, and I won't dare mention whose mistakes were more "serious" (though I have a good idea, though personal), but matter of fact now is that there is an absolute and inhumane disparity of living conditions and quality of life, in favour of course of Israel and caused by Israel's "foreign policy".

As far as desire of eradicating Israel goes, that isn't the case with Fatah (which is seen by many palestinians as collaborationist because it's too soft), and even Hamas has now recognized the right to exist of Israel, conditionally to the existance of a palestinian nation.

As for the other arab nations, though some collaboration from them would indeed help the palestinians, it's really not their role nor duty to all be united and coherent on this matter so I don't see how they can be condemned for their attitude, in the sense that I don't think the Arab nations can be at all blamed for this situation.