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Patrick345
May 5th, 2011, 12:31 PM
..and it is not even close. Anything but the title will be a failure in Paris.

madmax
May 5th, 2011, 12:34 PM
naah, Julia and her booming forehand will stop her just fine

Shinjiro
May 5th, 2011, 12:41 PM
VERY impressive at the moment indeed

goldenlox
May 5th, 2011, 12:43 PM
Vika, Sam and Julia are all still in that half.
Since Doha, Vika hasnt lost. Won the title or retired

Lucemferre
May 5th, 2011, 12:43 PM
I won't be convinced untill she stays healthy more than a month:o

Pasta-Na
May 5th, 2011, 12:44 PM
yes, shes been on fire. :eek:

doomsday
May 5th, 2011, 12:46 PM
I won't be convinced untill she stays healthy more than a month:o

:lol: true.:sad:

AcesHigh
May 5th, 2011, 12:46 PM
based on what? :lol:

Shinjiro
May 5th, 2011, 12:47 PM
Vika, Sam and Julia are all still in that half.
Since Doha, Vika hasnt lost. Won the title or retiredNever loses when she's healthy, too good this Vika.

Patrick345
May 5th, 2011, 12:47 PM
based on what? :lol:

Based on her play at Wimbledon. What do you think? :rolleyes:

AcesHigh
May 5th, 2011, 12:48 PM
Based on her play at Wimbledon. What do you think? :rolleyes:

Based on her one clay title in Marbella? Or her one QF at RG?

Cherry.
May 5th, 2011, 12:48 PM
Vika's absolutely in GOAT mode right now.
Another bagel against Parra Santonja 1st set.

Miracle Worker
May 5th, 2011, 12:49 PM
We need something more than title in Marbella and her matches in Madrid...

But she is one the players which should be consider as favorites to title.

Lucemferre
May 5th, 2011, 12:50 PM
based on what? :lol:

6th slam Marbella of course.

doomsday
May 5th, 2011, 12:51 PM
She is in bagel mode or maybe double bagel mode :tape:

Patrick345
May 5th, 2011, 12:53 PM
Based on her one clay title in Marbella? Or her one QF at RG?

Based on the way she plays, duh. Since Miami (sort of a claycourt anyway) she has beenn running through opponents like a knife through hot butter. Itīs all about her fitness and health at the Slams. This is the same form she showed, when she dismantled a prime Safina in the first set at Roland Garros, but in every match.

The Witch-king
May 5th, 2011, 12:54 PM
She's playing Parra Santonja for goodness sake.

currie84
May 5th, 2011, 12:55 PM
nice troll thread

Patrick345
May 5th, 2011, 12:59 PM
She's playing Parra Santonja for goodness sake.

That is the same the player that has beaten Pennetta and Petkovic in straight sets earlier in the week. Now she canīt even win a freakin game.

Who is the best claycourt player right now? :p

bandabou
May 5th, 2011, 01:00 PM
:lol: She does have the game..but worried about the dizziness and 90 mph serves.

Smitten
May 5th, 2011, 01:03 PM
That is the same the player that has beaten Pennetta and Petkovic in straight sets earlier in the week. Now she canīt even win a freakin game.

Who is the best claycourt player right now? :p

Good troll thread. Go look at the rankings of the players Azarenka has beaten in Marbella and Madrid so far.

The best claycourt player right NOW is irrelevant because Madrid with altitude and conditions is playing very quick, so Azarenka's hardcourt tennis is working.

I really miss Berlin because Rome & Madrid doesn't really give an account of how they can deal with Paris conditions especially on a cold, slow day.

Lachy
May 5th, 2011, 01:05 PM
FFS hardly :o She is just finding some fluke form and I cannot wait for it to wear off!

The Witch-king
May 5th, 2011, 01:05 PM
That is the same the player that has beaten Pennetta and Petkovic in straight sets earlier in the week. Now she canīt even win a freakin game.

Who is the best claycourt player right now? :p

:lol:

cro123456
May 5th, 2011, 02:01 PM
naah, Julia and her booming forehand will stop her just fine

Like she did in Stuttgart lool, she was like to be able to drive that Porsche now.
She should bye Vika at least a drink for one of her regular retirements.

Quite funny that Vika is better on HC than CC but sheīs currently the best CC player. :lol:

Batiguza
May 5th, 2011, 03:04 PM
I'm not trying to fool anyone. But some bitter frustated fans are fooling themselves... :oh: And surely I'm not talking about Vika's fan... :rolleyes:

Beat
May 5th, 2011, 03:16 PM
Anything but the title will be a failure in Paris.

azarenka a slam winner? i don't think so.

Shvedbarilescu
May 5th, 2011, 03:22 PM
..and it is not even close. Anything but the title will be a failure in Paris.

I wouldn't go that far and it's still early days, but, yes, on current form, I do think she is a very warm favourite for RG right now. No one else looks even close to playing as well as on clay as she has thus far this year. Still a lot can happen and we know the RG favourite going in is very often not the eventual winner.

Frontin
May 5th, 2011, 03:26 PM
I think she will make semis in RG.

Her inexperience may let her down from winning the title though.

ViceUltramontain
May 5th, 2011, 03:32 PM
At this point. She kinda is the favourite. But I'm still doubtful about her capacities to maintain this level (physicaly and mentally) over two weeks. But, without Serena (maybe Venus), with Kim just coming back and everyone else seriously sucking on clay or slumping (or both)... There have been a lot of wide open GS tournaments lately, but this RG will be huge.

CloudAtlas
May 5th, 2011, 03:42 PM
Oh please. I like Vika but let's stop pretending that beating up on these top 60 players is indicative of her upcoming form.

Brena
May 5th, 2011, 06:31 PM
:lol: She does have the game..but worried about the dizziness and 90 mph serves.

azarenka a slam winner? i don't think so.

Yes. I don't especially like Azarenka but she is really talented and I think her game is light years ahead of anyone's from her generation or younger. BUT she also has a mentality of a Russian tennis player, which means she can't be trusted no matter what. I mean, look at her matches with Wozniacki who is an inferior player in nearly every aspect of their games - you can always put money on Wozniacki and be sure you'll win. Even here in Madrid, I'd have bet on Wozniacki had they played each other in SF. I don't know how, but I know Azarenka would have managed to lose - she'd either have gone berserk and break all the racquets in madrid until she's left without any to play with or she'd have been attacked by a flock of birds Hitchcock-style and would have had to retire or she'd simply have played like a Top 500 player.
My RG preduction for Azarenka is that she'll reach the QF by double-bagelling everyone and then, the Eiffel Tower will fall on her head. :shrug:
That's the feeling I have about her.

Break My Rapture
May 5th, 2011, 07:49 PM
The myth that she's just another brainless ballbasher who only functions on grass and HC is clearly BS.
Her angles and dropshots (which are IMO one of the best shots of her game) really shine through on the clay.

danieln1
May 5th, 2011, 07:51 PM
No way her body will hold up for seven matches, it just too fragile, and as someone said, she canīt last through long, tiring three set matches, something common in Paris...

Kind of bepamaria predictions..... but she has a chance obviously

Sammo
May 5th, 2011, 07:55 PM
With Stosur in this shape... :rolleyes:

Mr.Sharapova
May 5th, 2011, 08:07 PM
Yeah right :rolleyes:.

Stosur is the best claycourter of the moment :).

DownInAHole
May 5th, 2011, 08:10 PM
Azarenka has looked very impressive on clay so far but others have pointed out the calibre of her opponents has not been the highest. With how open things are she could win Roland Garros but I think she needs to beat some top 20/top 10 players before we get too carried away.

Of course with the way things are going maybe she will not face a top twenty player on the way to the final?

Sammo
May 5th, 2011, 08:11 PM
Yeah right :rolleyes:.

Stosur is the best claycourter of the moment :).

Potentially she's the best clay courter in the game. Right now she sucks :bounce:

Raiden
May 5th, 2011, 08:45 PM
With Stosur in this shape... :rolleyes:Exactly.

Clay season means that (in theory) it's time for Stosur and Schiavone and JJ to shine and beat the crap out of everyone that comes their way but that ain't happening. Not even close.

So by default Azarenka is the RG favorite. She's the highest ranked player who's doing well on "terre batue."

CloudAtlas
May 5th, 2011, 08:52 PM
My RG preduction for Azarenka is that she'll reach the QF by double-bagelling everyone and then, the Eiffel Tower will fall on her head. :shrug:
That's the feeling I have about her.

:lol: :lol:

KapitalL
May 6th, 2011, 12:10 AM
No way her body will hold up for seven matches, it just too fragile, and as someone said, she canīt last through long, tiring three set matches, something common in Paris...

Kind of bepamaria predictions..... but she has a chance obviously

If she can win 5 tough matches in 7 days to win Miami she should certainly be able to handle 7 in 2 weeks, especially knowing first couple of rounds are gonna be under an hour probably

The way she's playing in the last few weeks I really don't see who can keep up with her, maybe she peaked too early for RG, and maybe she's the Djokovic of the WTA, we'll see soon enough

miffedmax
May 6th, 2011, 01:18 AM
I have already proclaimed her the successor to Dementieva.

I don't know why we're discussing this.

Tennisation
May 6th, 2011, 02:37 AM
I have already proclaimed her the successor to Dementieva.

I don't know why we're discussing this.Does that mean she'll never win a slam? :sobbing:

KBlade
May 6th, 2011, 03:13 AM
Azarenka also has some huge points to gain at Roland Garros after being bundled out in the first round. Regardless of her result, as long as she goes deep into the draw, her ranking will sky rocket.

NA-GOAT
May 6th, 2011, 03:24 AM
Azarenka also has some huge points to gain at Roland Garros after being bundled out in the first round. Regardless of her result, as long as she goes deep into the draw, her ranking will sky rocket.

the highest she will go is from #5 to #4 :rolleyes:

she is WAY behind the top 3 right now :angel: :wavey:

Ivanovic2008
May 6th, 2011, 04:29 AM
K.

Monzanator
May 6th, 2011, 04:42 AM
Azarenka has one red clay title to her name, hardly what I call the best claycourter player :shrug:

VeeJJ
May 6th, 2011, 07:07 AM
yeah that serve will get ger far on clay for sure..... :rolleyes:

lets she how she does when she's not playing a journey woman

Kim's_fan_4ever
May 6th, 2011, 07:17 AM
Stosur would beg to differ. Yes she sucks right now but still. Also Safina and Kuznetsova are better than her. Remember how they dominated the clay season two years ago? Oh how they've fallen since that time.
Azarenka just happens to be in-form and that's all. You can as well say that Goerges is the best claycourt player and I think it would be more accurate than saying the same about Azarenka.

TheHangover
May 6th, 2011, 07:23 AM
i really hope that azarenka wins madrid, then loose in the final of rome against schiavone (:haha:) and then win roland garros, and become next world number one

faboozadoo15
May 6th, 2011, 07:40 AM
If she wins Madrid, I'd call her the best on clay at the moment and the favorite for the french title. I'd probably say that about whomever wins Madrid at the point.

KapitalL
May 6th, 2011, 11:35 AM
Stosur would beg to differ.
So would I.

Victoria Azarenka Samantha Stosur Bank of the West Classic - Stanford 31.7.2010 1/2 Hard 6-2 6-3
Victoria Azarenka Samantha Stosur Sony Ericsson Open - Miami 31.3.2009 1/4 Hard 6-1 6-0
Victoria Azarenka Samantha Stosur East West Bank Classic presented by Herbalife - Los Angeles 24.7.2008 Third Hard 6-4 7-6(4)
Victoria Azarenka Samantha Stosur Pilot Pen Tennis - New Haven 20.8.2005 q-Second Hard 6-1 6-3

Yeah, all on hard but still...

4-0 h2h, 8-0 sets, only once Sam managed to get to a tiebreak

Safina is done, Kuznetsova isn't but playing 3 sets with Barthel, losing to Begu and being hammered by Cibulkova doesn't really help her cause.
Since she won RG in 09 she didn't win a title on clay and has a 6-6 score on it in the last couple of years...

miffedmax
May 6th, 2011, 12:21 PM
Does that mean she'll never win a slam? :sobbing:

It means she is the greatest and most adorable player period.

And that she needs bangs.

Curcubeu
May 6th, 2011, 01:02 PM
The best claycourt player must look that she won't have an exit against Lucie! :o :unsure:

Kim's_fan_4ever
May 6th, 2011, 01:09 PM
So would I.

Victoria Azarenka Samantha Stosur Bank of the West Classic - Stanford 31.7.2010 1/2 Hard 6-2 6-3
Victoria Azarenka Samantha Stosur Sony Ericsson Open - Miami 31.3.2009 1/4 Hard 6-1 6-0
Victoria Azarenka Samantha Stosur East West Bank Classic presented by Herbalife - Los Angeles 24.7.2008 Third Hard 6-4 7-6(4)
Victoria Azarenka Samantha Stosur Pilot Pen Tennis - New Haven 20.8.2005 q-Second Hard 6-1 6-3

Yeah, all on hard but still...

4-0 h2h, 8-0 sets, only once Sam managed to get to a tiebreak

Safina is done, Kuznetsova isn't but playing 3 sets with Barthel, losing to Begu and being hammered by Cibulkova doesn't really help her cause.
Since she won RG in 09 she didn't win a title on clay and has a 6-6 score on it in the last couple of years...

I don't really understand why you're saying all this :confused: When the players I mentioned were in-form during the clay season, they were showing better tennis than Azarenka is now. Of course, both Safina and Kuznetsova are completely useless now, they are out of form but I was talking about their 09 season and how they were the best players then :o

H2H between Azarenka and Stosur is completely meaningless too, as you've yourself said that they haven't met on clay, so why post it :lol: It completely doesn't determine which one of them is a better player (classic example S.Williams-Bammer). Plus Sam's had way better results on clay - does RG '10 ring a bell? Check out the players she defeated en route to the final, whereas Azarenka hasn't even beaten anyone remarkable on clay this year :confused: So I don't understand why would she be a better claycourter than any of these players :lol:

KapitalL
May 6th, 2011, 02:49 PM
I don't really understand why you're saying all this :confused:

Read the thread title.
Currently Azarenka is in my oppinion the best claycourt player.

Currently Wozniacki is the best player in the world despite not having nearly enough big titles like some others have. Following your logic you consider Ana, Jelena, Dinara, Kuznetsova to be better players than Woz because they use to win big titles?

Break My Rapture
May 6th, 2011, 03:50 PM
yeah that serve will get ger far on clay for sure..... :rolleyes:

lets she how she does when she's not playing a journey woman
Clay is the best surface for weaker servers.

Plus she would have most likely beaten up on Jankovic anyway had they played in Madrid.
She might not have defeated blockbuster opponents so far, but she's playing well enough to defeat arguably half of the current top 10 on clay.
Same goes for her beating Lucie Safarova, who on clay is (at the moment) also tons better than some top tenners.

Break My Rapture
May 6th, 2011, 03:57 PM
I don't really understand why you're saying all this :confused: When the players I mentioned were in-form during the clay season, they were showing better tennis than Azarenka is now. Of course, both Safina and Kuznetsova are completely useless now, they are out of form but I was talking about their 09 season and how they were the best players then :o

H2H between Azarenka and Stosur is completely meaningless too, as you've yourself said that they haven't met on clay, so why post it :lol: It completely doesn't determine which one of them is a better player (classic example S.Williams-Bammer). Plus Sam's had way better results on clay - does RG '10 ring a bell? Check out the players she defeated en route to the final, whereas Azarenka hasn't even beaten anyone remarkable on clay this year :confused: So I don't understand why would she be a better claycourter than any of these players :lol:
Azarenka defeated Kuznetsova right before Sveta went on her great clay season on Miami's slow hardcourt in '09.
She outplayed Peak Safina for a set (and a half) at RG that year too.

The H2H between Stosur and Azarenka is not meaningless at all when it's clearly obvious that Vika's game is nothing less than a nightmare match-up for Sam.
And sure Sam had great wins at RG last year, but it's looking highly more likely with every passing clay tournament that she's not going to repeat this in a couple of weeks time.

Azarenka DEFINITELY is the best claycourt player atm for all that it's worth IMO.

Smitten
May 6th, 2011, 04:30 PM
The H2H between Stosur and Azarenka is not meaningless at all when it's clearly obvious that Vika's game is nothing less than a nightmare match-up for Sam.


Very, VERY true.

Azarenka does not have to do literally anything outside of her status quo to handle Stosur's game.

The kick serve gets dealt with by her backhand return. Azarenka's consistent depth and groundstrokes are enough to keep Stosur from playing her favorite groundstroke combination and warrant mishits.

C. Drone
May 6th, 2011, 05:23 PM
hm, maybe the most inform player, and only "best claycourter" by default.
She can play considerably well on all surfaces. Obviously Berlin and Rome SF, RG QF indicates she is good on clay too.
But there are players who can or could use the clay court better for their advantage. Like Stosur, Safina, Jankovic, Ivanovic, etc. Well, pretty much they all suck right now.

BepaMaria
May 6th, 2011, 05:37 PM
Oh yes Vika is the queen of clay...She will win Madrid, Rome, and RG just like Nadal :rocker2:

In The Zone
May 6th, 2011, 09:34 PM
Azarenka defeated Kuznetsova right before Sveta went on her great clay season on Miami's slow hardcourt in '09.
She outplayed Peak Safina for a set (and a half) at RG that year too.

The H2H between Stosur and Azarenka is not meaningless at all when it's clearly obvious that Vika's game is nothing less than a nightmare match-up for Sam.
And sure Sam had great wins at RG last year, but it's looking highly more likely with every passing clay tournament that she's not going to repeat this in a couple of weeks time.

Azarenka DEFINITELY is the best claycourt player atm for all that it's worth IMO.

Forgetting the fact Stosur played players who all matched up poorly against her.

Have Stosur play a Safina, a Venus Williams, or an Azarenka at Roland Garros, and then let's see how she does.

Stosur is definitely strong on red clay, as is Azarenka, but at the end of the day, unless you are Serena, Venus or Kim, it'll always come down to the matchup and not the individual player.

Dave.
May 6th, 2011, 09:46 PM
Forgetting the fact Stosur played players who all matched up poorly against her.

Have Stosur play a Safina, a Venus Williams, or an Azarenka at Roland Garros, and then let's see how she does.

Stosur is definitely strong on red clay, as is Azarenka, but at the end of the day, unless you are Serena, Venus or Kim, it'll always come down to the matchup and not the individual player.

Venus does not have the results in slams in recent years to back that up the way the Serena and Kim do.

As for Stosur, there may be some who are problems for her, like Azarenka, but few that are going to make it far enough and be able to win. I think it's much more in Stosur's hands this year, not like that improves her chances at all though.

CloudAtlas
May 6th, 2011, 11:19 PM
She's the only in-form top ten player who doesn't suck on clay right now. The thread title is a tad more complimentary of her clay prowess than it deserves.

The Dawntreader
May 6th, 2011, 11:39 PM
Tons of hyperbole circling Azarenka's form right now. I think the illusion of her being some clay-GOAT dissipated a bit against Safarova today. Her generic baseline game, totally reliant on this steady, accumulative rhythm was exposed by Safarova's raw, potent baseline game, shedding light on Azarenka's innate lack of agility. If not for her crap ROS, we probably would've seen how average Azarenka's serve translates to clay.

She's playing pretty efficient tennis right now, but she's still vulnerable to a bigger hitter on this surface. Azarenka is no clay-court virtuoso.

debby
May 7th, 2011, 11:22 AM
Actually, she seems to be the only reliable player on clay right now.

DragonFlame
May 7th, 2011, 11:58 AM
Ehh lets not go there yet please.

C. Drone
May 7th, 2011, 12:17 PM
Actually, she seems to be the only reliable player on clay right now.

but not because its clay.