Who is better on hardcourt:Serena or K.Clijsters?

They both are so great:worship:

Serena. She is untouchable at her best.

3 US Opens, 5 Australian Opens > 3 US, 1 Australian

Serena Williams hands down. The head to head says it all.

Enough of these threads!!!!

Serena, no contest

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Kimberly only excelled because in 05, faced Pierce in the final, 09 1st slam finalist Karolina and that robbed SF, 10 faced Vera Zvonareva in the final, enough said, and in Australia first time finalist nervous li na

Serena had to face much tougher competition, showing she's CLEARLY the better HC and overall player

Lo, why are so many people copying me? Anyway, Kim on US hardcourts, Serena overall.

Lo, why are so many people copying me? Anyway, Kim on US hardcourts, Serena overall.

How can you say on US hardcourts?

Do you not remember the "CALL"? Do you not remember the foot fault?

Serena would have won the 2004 US Open EASILY. Not only was the CALL ridiculous, there were several other calls.

Let's get real. Serena Williams >>>> anyone on this tour right now.

How can you say on US hardcourts?

Do you not remember the "CALL"? Do you not remember the foot fault?

Serena would have won the 2004 US Open EASILY. Not only was the CALL ridiculous, there were several other calls.

Let's get real. Serena Williams >>>> anyone on this tour right now.

There is no evidence that the foot fault was a bad call. :confused: How do you know that she didn't foot fault? Yes, I remember 2004, but IIRC, Jennifer had just won the second set, fair and square. There is no evidence to say that if not for the calls, she wouldn't have won.

Lo, why are so many people copying me? Anyway, Kim on US hardcourts, Serena overall.
Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't Miami and Indian Wells considered US Hardcouts. Last time I checked, Serena has 5 and 2 of those respectively.

This has been done before, and the answer is still Serena.

Kim on US hardcourts, Serena in Australia. And mods should seriously delete these threads. :o

Lin Lin :awww: if it was another poster creating this thread I would have badrepped him :lol: but cant bring myself to do it to you :hug:

Well, the answer is Serena, quite frankly. But Clijsters' 2005, (didn't play 2006-2008) 2009 and 2010 US hardcourt level was probably better than Serena's. You can't ignore the fact that there's a lot of hardcourt events leading up to the US Open which Serena either skips or loses in. But then you look at the Australian Open...and that settles the deal.

Serena on any hardcourt. :lol: Ridiculous thread.

Serena by far overall. Her record on Australian hard courts pushes her far beyond Kim, even if Kim has done as well or better on all other hard courts. I would take Serena even on U.S hard courts though. Even if her record isnt neccessarily better both at their best Serena would definitely win.

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Kimberly only excelled because in 05, faced Pierce in the final, 09 1st slam finalist Karolina and that robbed SF, 10 faced Vera Zvonareva in the final, enough said, and in Australia first time finalist nervous li na

Serena had to face much tougher competition, showing she's CLEARLY the better HC and overall player

:rolleyes: Cause the final was the only match she played. She has beaten 2 times USO champ Venus and world number one Sharapova in 2005, Venus once again and Serena (who was holding 3 slams) in 2009 and Venus again in 2011. Let's try to remember that a GS win is 7 matches and that it's not Kim fault if she was each time in the same half that the Williams. So stop bringing the "weak finalist" argument.



Anyway, Serena is best hardcourt player overall (except in New York where Kim is better I think).

this is easy

The only person greater than Serena on HC in the open era is Steffi Graf.

hah,Serena. It`s too easy. :)

Serena won the USO99 at age 17? by beating Matina Hingis. Enough said.

Serena won the USO99 at age 17? by beating Matina Hingis. Enough said.

That is not enough said as Serena almost lost that year to 16 yo Kim Clijsters in the third round. Serena is better because she won 8 GS title, not just this one.

Sure. Her record after this win has been expounded in other posts or do i have to repeat it again?

Winning this was a huge achievement. It was the start, I personally think it counts for a lot. :)

5 Oz opens, 5 Miami's, 2 IW, 2 U.S. opens..really it doesn't get much better than this.

Kim's no slouch, but Serena is Serena.

5 Oz opens, 5 Miami's, 2 IW, 2 U.S. opens..really it doesn't get much better than this.

Kim's no slouch, but Serena is Serena.

Serena has won 3 US Open titles.

Serena has won 3 US Open titles.

Indeed...really guys we're talking Graf-like numbers on hardcourts. Kimmy is good, great even..but Serena can only be compared with the Navratilova's and Graf's of this world right now.

give me more trophies :lol:

I'd especially like to highlight Serena's two wins in IW, the first one was at the age of 17 where she beat Graf in the finals for only her second tour title! Her second title at IW was against K. Clijsters in that infamous final where she was booed by the "Amerikkkan" crowd from the time she stepped out on court for the warm up to the time she lifted the trophy high above her head. And what is there head to head again on hard -court? Let's not even get into AO titles or Miami titles.