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SHILIN-GOAT
May 1st, 2011, 08:10 PM
http://www.wtatennis.com/blog/20110501/lisas-spin-clay-billie-jean-weddings_2257191_2350985

So here we are at the start of the European red clay season. A nightmare for many of us who did not grow up playing on the dirt and the favorite time of the year for many others who consider the dirt their home court. On the men's side it's almost a foregone conclusion that we will see Rafa holding a trophy over his head a few times over the next month. On the women's side it's a wide open field. Yet for both tours one of the variables on clay that make its eventual champions so unpredictable is the weather.

Clay is the surface most affected by changes in the weather and the conditions surrounding it. A cold, rainy day can make the clay play very slow, bounces seem a lot lower and rallies a lot longer. Heavy conditions like this favor the counterpunchers, players such as The Woz and Radwanska. :spit: On a hot sunny day, the clay plays faster and the bounces tend to be higher. These conditions tend to favor the more aggressive, heavier hitters such as Stosur and Azarenka. In Madrid, players are also faced with the challenge of playing in altitude as opposed to the following week in Rome, where this isn't a factor. No other surface relies on mother nature to dictate its playability as much as clay. Will be interesting to see each week who comes away with a title and how the conditions each week favored the winner. If you thought tennis players obsessed about the weather before, wait until the clay court season!

Hian
May 1st, 2011, 08:11 PM
:lol:

The Witch-king
May 1st, 2011, 08:14 PM
What is funny about that?

SHILIN-GOAT
May 1st, 2011, 08:17 PM
What is funny about that?

well it is funny that on the WTA Caro is known as The Woz :lol:

JCTennisFan
May 1st, 2011, 08:25 PM
When the surface you play on absorbs moisture readily, obviously the humidity/elevation is going to affect it more than other surfaces. But you'd think they try their best, especially at RG, to keep the courts somewhat similar from day to day, during the tournament atleast.

Vincey!
May 1st, 2011, 08:31 PM
Alright, well tht is kinda obvious but who cares what Raymond says anyway? :shrug: I mean every single players pro or not knows that fact lol....why posting it on GM when Lisa Raymond says it! Ooh wait! cuz She's FUCKING LISA RAYMOND, right? lolll :haha:

stangtennis
May 1st, 2011, 08:40 PM
well it is funny that on the WTA Caro is known as The Woz :lol:
One of Apple co-founder Steve Wozniak's nicknames: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Wozniak
Wozniak has several nicknames, including "The Woz", "Wonderful Wizard of Woz" and "iWoz" (a reference to the ubiquitous naming scheme for Apple products). "WoZ" (short for "Wheels of Zeus") is also the name of a company Wozniak founded. He is sometimes known as the "Other Steve" of Apple Computer, the better known Steve being co-founder Steve Jobs. He has Polish ancestry.

goldenlox
May 1st, 2011, 08:45 PM
I thought a big decider of the 2004 FO is that it was very wet, heavy slow conditions when Myskina played Venus. That was the one player, after Anastasia saved match point & beat Sveta, who was playing well enough to give Nastya a match.
It was so slow that Nastya did a lot of hitting down the middle, daring Venus to go for aggressive shots, and that worked.

I dont remember seeing Caro on very slow clay. Wont happen this week. Maybe in Paris.

JCTennisFan
May 1st, 2011, 08:48 PM
All the more reason for clay tournies to start putting roofs on their stadiums. When sealed, and with the conditioning system on, you'd think they could manipulate the clay's playing attributes better.

Curcubeu
May 1st, 2011, 08:52 PM
OK, so it seems to be very hot and dry in Madrid now... :spit:

Bismarck.
May 1st, 2011, 08:55 PM
Azarenka is an aggressive, heavy hitter? :spit: She's almost as much of a pusher as Wozniacki.

stangtennis
May 1st, 2011, 09:00 PM
A cold, rainy day can make the clay play very slow, bounces seem a lot lower and rallies a lot longer. Heavy conditions like this favor the counterpunchers, players such as The Woz and Radwanska.https://si2.twimg.com/profile_images/1231655927/22a5b0aa4b2e_normal.jpg CaroWozniacki (https://twitter.com/#!/CaroWozniacki) Caroline Wozniacki
Whats happening to the weather in Madrid, its rainy and really cold.. Would be nice to see the sun!!
30 Apr (https://twitter.com/#!/CaroWozniacki/status/64302438915637248)

Losing Streak
May 1st, 2011, 09:07 PM
:lol:

duhcity
May 1st, 2011, 09:32 PM
Madrid has a high elevation too.

Sammo
May 1st, 2011, 09:37 PM
https://si2.twimg.com/profile_images/1231655927/22a5b0aa4b2e_normal.jpg CaroWozniacki (https://twitter.com/#!/CaroWozniacki) Caroline Wozniacki
Whats happening to the weather in Madrid, its rainy and really cold.. Would be nice to see the sun!!
30 Apr (https://twitter.com/#!/CaroWozniacki/status/64302438915637248)

OMG :sobbing:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_x8fZyyT_gPw/THLfxCB3tVI/AAAAAAAAACg/Ul6Q6oUSOA4/s1600/tattoo_fail.jpg

goldenlox
May 1st, 2011, 09:43 PM
I would guess Caro would do fine on wet slow clay. You cant hit thru her, she'll run down everything.
As long as Caro keeps her shots reasonably deep, her stamina and ability to keep focus should be huge advantages on slow clay.

AcesHigh
May 1st, 2011, 09:57 PM
Alright, well tht is kinda obvious but who cares what Raymond says anyway? :shrug: I mean every single players pro or not knows that fact lol....why posting it on GM when Lisa Raymond says it! Ooh wait! cuz She's FUCKING LISA RAYMOND, right? lolll :haha:

Hmm..

Lisa Raymond? 9 slams
You? 0 slams

I think what she says is worth posting

edificio
May 1st, 2011, 10:09 PM
I fail to see what is wrong with Lisa Raymond articulating this point (about how clay is affected by the weather). Some people reading her blog may not know that much about clay. In any case, Lisa, in her blog, is very verbose. She could use an editor, but then again it is nice to see someone have something to say instead of just fulfilling a duty.

Lately, Azarenka has been more aggressive, so...I don't think Raymond's wrong, but I also never thought Azarenka was a pusher either (as a poster above indicated).

Sammo
May 1st, 2011, 10:21 PM
Lisa won the most important clay tournament in the world :shrug:

nevetssllim
May 1st, 2011, 10:37 PM
Hmm..

Lisa Raymond? 9 slams
You? 0 slams

I think what she says is worth posting

This. :lol:

JCTennisFan
May 2nd, 2011, 04:56 AM
Bleh, so she won 9 doubles slams.... the Bryan brothers have God knows how many and you dont see everyone listening to them like they are Federer.

vixter
May 2nd, 2011, 08:31 AM
All the more reason for clay tournies to start putting roofs on their stadiums. When sealed, and with the conditioning system on, you'd think they could manipulate the clay's playing attributes better.

In theory, I guess they could. But this would be a waste of effort and money. It's what makes clay tennis special, the rough changing conditions. In a light rain the match can even go on as the court can absorb a lot of water.

Le Tenisse
May 2nd, 2011, 12:50 PM
Does Not Use Word Pusher
¨Heavy conditions like this favor the counterpunchers¨

You get the idea anyway

Miss Atomic Bomb
May 2nd, 2011, 12:55 PM
I would guess Caro would do fine on wet slow clay. You cant hit thru her, she'll run down everything.
As long as Caro keeps her shots reasonably deep, her stamina and ability to keep focus should be huge advantages on slow clay.

Playing seven matches in a row, with her play-style on wet damp clay where she cant redirect any pace either, will be very hard for her physically. Its not like on fast HC, where she can go through the first 2-3 rounds rather easily, winning quick(ish) points with her decently placed first serves, redirecting opponent's pace and save herself for the later rounds.

goldenlox
May 2nd, 2011, 01:33 PM
That's possible. They are some players without enough patience who will go for the lines, hit low percentage shots, not want to rally all afternoon. It depends on the draw.

~Cherry*Blossom~
May 2nd, 2011, 02:13 PM
I thought a big decider of the 2004 FO is that it was very wet, heavy slow conditions when Myskina played Venus. That was the one player, after Anastasia saved match point & beat Sveta, who was playing well enough to give Nastya a match.
It was so slow that Nastya did a lot of hitting down the middle, daring Venus to go for aggressive shots, and that worked.

She hit a volley from BEHIND THE BASELINE!!!!!! :facepalm: :sobbing:

That was one hot mess of a match from Venus! I get angry thinking about it!