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Linguae^
May 1st, 2011, 08:09 PM
2011, Madrid, 2nd round
Bojana Jovanovski (SRB) vs. (1) Caroline Wozniacki (DEN) :eek:

Bojana is a young up-and-coming player who adores playing high-seeded girls, and Caroline is our World No. 1 who hates playing that kind of girls. :hug:

So, how many games will Bojana win in this GOAT encounter? :D :cool:
Go BoJo. :hug:

Ralph214
May 1st, 2011, 08:12 PM
15 games :)

2-6 7-6(5) 6-4 ??

BlueTrees
May 1st, 2011, 08:14 PM
12

Jane Lane
May 1st, 2011, 08:14 PM
*ajdefistpumptwirl* Bojo. :rocker2:

Bobisa
May 1st, 2011, 08:43 PM
13 :rocker2:

Carsten
May 1st, 2011, 08:44 PM
hopefully 12 in 2 sets wirhout TBs :)

Richie's
May 1st, 2011, 08:46 PM
I can see Bojo cutting a set from Caro.

Mistress of Evil
May 1st, 2011, 08:56 PM
6 games :D

Noctis
May 1st, 2011, 08:59 PM
as many gamems as she decide to win

Ryusuke Tenma
May 1st, 2011, 09:02 PM
6 at the very most. She's not good enough to win any more than that against Wozniacki.

Brena
May 1st, 2011, 09:07 PM
Enough to win, hopefully. :lick:

Safe-From-Harm
May 1st, 2011, 09:15 PM
Enough to win, hopefully. :lick:


I also mean this, and just want to say that it would be 12 games:angel:

goldenlox
May 1st, 2011, 09:17 PM
She played well against Vera in Melbourne.
I dont expect an easy match. I guess 7 games.

Ryusuke Tenma
May 1st, 2011, 09:17 PM
Enough to win, hopefully. :lick:

I also mean this, and just want to say that it would be 12 games:angel:
:haha:

Wozniacki is not losing to this scrub :wavey:

doooma6816
May 1st, 2011, 09:18 PM
12 :rocker2:

Safe-From-Harm
May 1st, 2011, 09:19 PM
:haha:

Wozniacki is not losing to this scrub :wavey:


:worship: Hallelujah.
:unsure:

The Dawntreader
May 1st, 2011, 09:22 PM
Badly lacks a serve to make an impact in this match.

Andiyan
May 1st, 2011, 09:22 PM
8 or more would be marvellous for her atm.

Break My Rapture
May 1st, 2011, 09:25 PM
8, just because Wozniacki is a rookie when it comes to claycourts.

Ryusuke Tenma
May 1st, 2011, 09:27 PM
8, just because Wozniacki is a rookie when it comes to claycourts.
Yeah, she's a rookie on claycourts, which is why she reached finals in Madrid and Stuttgart, won Charleston and Ponte Vedre (twice) and reached 2 other clay finals :rolleyes:

Jane Lane
May 1st, 2011, 09:33 PM
:haha:

Wozniacki is not losing to this scrub :wavey:

Jesus, haven't you learned from your last humiliation?

Corswandt
May 1st, 2011, 09:34 PM
How many games will BoJJ win against Caroline?

Few. Mostly because she has no serve. Also, she rallies excellently, but lacks the firepower edge to actually force a decision in those rallies.

I'd like this to be a long match regardless. Daddy "Haig" Greedniacki and Sven "Cadorna" the Svengali want attrition, let them have it.

Interesting that it was precisely at this tournament that Alona B., who BoJo resembles in several ways, completely outhit Wozniacka last year.

kollun
May 1st, 2011, 10:03 PM
WTA Top 10 W/L on CLAY from 2009-today
1. Caroline Wozniacki 47-13
2. Flavia Pennetta 40-15
3. Jelena Jankovic 38-12
4. Anabel Medina Garrigues 33-21
5. Aravane Rezai 32-15
6. Gisela Dulko 32-19
7. Samantha Stosur 31-9
8. Maria-Jose Martinez Sanchez 31-13
9. Carla Suarez Navarro 31-19
10. Francesca Schiavone 30-11

Bismarck.
May 1st, 2011, 10:18 PM
:haha:

Wozniacki is not losing to this scrub :wavey:

:lol: Didn't you say the same about Goerges?

Anyway, BOT I reckon she'll win 5-8. She's competent enough on clay to do some damage, though. I'm not exactly sure I agree with Dawntreader that her serve will be the deciding issue in this match. I know it's the weakest point to her game but it's not as if Wozniacki is a rampantly attacking returner, let alone on clay.

danieln1
May 1st, 2011, 10:40 PM
Caroline will lose 6 games

poulao
May 1st, 2011, 10:50 PM
Jesus, haven't you learned from your last humiliation? :haha: I just can't :help: it :haha:, hope we'll see it on TV :)

Vikapower
May 1st, 2011, 10:51 PM
Bojana please get the better of the less talented player of your group age/generation.

7-6(0) 7-6(1)

Corswandt
May 1st, 2011, 10:52 PM
I'm not exactly sure I agree with Dawntreader that her serve will be the deciding issue in this match. I know it's the weakest point to her game but it's not as if Wozniacki is a rampantly attacking returner, let alone on clay.

Most people who have beaten Wozniacka over the past few months have done so largely on account of holding serve easily, or at least being able to do so even when under pressure (e.g. Stosur last year at the YEC, Zvonareva in Doha and earlier on at the USO, Julinha in Stuttgart). This allows them not let themselves get dragged into long rallies/deuce games/needless attrition in their own service games, and to pick which ones of Wozniacka's service games they will actually bother to contest. Because otherwise you have no other option but to try to beat Wozniacka at her own game - attrition.

Plus a good serve is always very effective vs Wozniacka due to her subpar ROS.

Slamniacki
May 1st, 2011, 10:53 PM
:haha:

Jovanovski is not losing to this scrub :wavey:

i agree. the danish scrub is going home.

Bismarck.
May 1st, 2011, 10:59 PM
Most people who have beaten Wozniacka over the past few months have done so largely on account of holding serve easily, or at least being able to do so even when under pressure (e.g. Stosur last year at the YEC, Zvonareva in Doha and earlier on at the USO, Julinha in Stuttgart). This allows them not let themselves get dragged into long rallies/deuce games/needless attrition in their own service games, and to pick which ones of Wozniacka's service games they will actually bother to contest. Because otherwise you have no other option but to try to beat Wozniacka at her own game - attrition.

Plus a good serve is always very effective vs Wozniacka due to her subpar ROS.

I didn't say that Jovanovski was ever going to seriously threaten Wozniacki without her serve, I just don't think she's going to have it pulverised considering Wozniacki's passive ROS. It will be just like every other Wozniacki match where she wins with 80% of the rallies going to over 10 shots with her dominating the baseline exchanges. :shrug: I just don't think that Jovanovski's lack of a serve will be that detrimental to her overall chances.

Corswandt
May 1st, 2011, 11:00 PM
I didn't say that Jovanovski was ever going to seriously threaten Wozniacki without her serve, I just don't think she's going to have it pulverised considering Wozniacki's passive ROS. It will be just like every other Wozniacki match where she wins with 80% of the rallies going to over 10 shots with her dominating the baseline exchanges. :shrug: I just don't think that Jovanovski's lack of a serve will be that detrimental to her overall chances.

If BoJo had a serve, there'd be less rallies, at least on her service games. That was the point I was trying to make.

MB.
May 1st, 2011, 11:16 PM
12. Duh.

poulao
May 1st, 2011, 11:32 PM
Most people who have beaten Wozniacka over the past few months have done so largely on account of holding serve easily, or at least being able to do so even when under pressure (e.g. Stosur last year at the YEC, Zvonareva in Doha and earlier on at the USO, Julinha in Stuttgart). This allows them not let themselves get dragged into long rallies/deuce games/needless attrition in their own service games, and to pick which ones of Wozniacka's service games they will actually bother to contest. Because otherwise you have no other option but to try to beat Wozniacka at her own game - attrition.

Plus a good serve is always very effective vs Wozniacka due to her subpar ROS.

Please, no offence, but some things are 'logic for battery hens' so to speak. She's probably not the best, or lets say, most aggresive returner of serve, but she's on agregate pretty good at it or she would not win matches. ;)

Bismarck.
May 1st, 2011, 11:34 PM
If BoJo had a serve, there'd be less rallies, at least on her service games. That was the point I was trying to make.

I don't think it's a matter of just her 'having a serve'. The players who you mentioned (Zvonareva, Stosur and Goerges) were all serving phenomenally when they beat Wozniacki. If Jovanovski served with a greater amount of pace or depth, I'm unconvinced that this would change anything from the rallies point of view against Wozniacki as she makes a phenomenal amount of returns against nearly all players of average-to-good serving range, above all on slow surfaces.

SVK
May 1st, 2011, 11:34 PM
12

12 :rocker2:

12. Duh.

Zahlavova Strycova also won 12 games against Caro and still lost.

Duh.

poulao
May 1st, 2011, 11:49 PM
Zahlavova Strycova also won 12 games against Caro and still lost.

Duh.

Yes, Barbora did well :lol:

Reptilia
May 2nd, 2011, 12:20 AM
8.

Linguae^
May 2nd, 2011, 12:46 AM
So, it's going to look like this in Bojana's service games:
1. Bojana serves a slow 2nd serve
2. Caroline pushes it back with her forehand, in the middle of the court
3. Bojana hits a clear forehand winner
:lol:

SVK
May 2nd, 2011, 12:50 AM
3. Bojana hits a horrendous homerun

Fixed.

Hopefully it won´t happen too often though.

Ryusuke Tenma
May 2nd, 2011, 01:02 AM
i agree. the danish scrub is going home.
You're a funny guy :wavey:

That "Danish scrub" is the one who's going to win :wavey:

That other random player is the one who's going home :wavey:

Frederik
May 2nd, 2011, 02:50 AM
Stop the jinxing World Life.:devil: ;)

Temperenka
May 2nd, 2011, 03:07 AM
4?

thegreendestiny
May 2nd, 2011, 04:23 AM
The only way BoJJ can win this match is to unleash her game in the most aggressive way and attack Caroline's forehand with consistency and accuracy. If she can't then Miss Sunshine will routine her.

KBlade
May 2nd, 2011, 04:33 AM
Bojana has the potential to become a complication for Caroline, but she's going to have to be on her game. I think Bojana has enough fire power to push Wozniacki around on a good day, but she's on a clay court, and I really don't think she can win playing anything other than her A+ game. La Woz in two.

KBlade
May 2nd, 2011, 04:43 AM
I didn't say that Jovanovski was ever going to seriously threaten Wozniacki without her serve, I just don't think she's going to have it pulverised considering Wozniacki's passive ROS. It will be just like every other Wozniacki match where she wins with 80% of the rallies going to over 10 shots with her dominating the baseline exchanges. :shrug: I just don't think that Jovanovski's lack of a serve will be that detrimental to her overall chances.

This is true. Bojana has the weaker service of the pair, but it's unlikely to put her at a significant disadvantage, given that most of the time Wozniacki generally doesn't attack off her return of serve, and seems content to roll the return of service back cross court to start the rally. Bojana would be wise to direct most of her attention to the forehand wing while she's on serve, as it negates thet threat that Wozniacki could step in and smack an aggressive backhand return.

I really think that if Bojana wants the win here, she's going to have to be aggressive, willing to pull the trigger and attack the second service and forehand. Given that Wozniacki's movement and traction on the surface isn't especially great, I think it'd be a nice plan to throw in angles and slices to move her out wide to the backhand wing, and then attack to the forehand into the open court. This could draw the short forehand that could present an opening to win the point. Also going behind Wozniacki would also be an effective ploy on clay.

MB.
May 2nd, 2011, 05:09 AM
This is true. Bojana has the weaker service of the pair, but it's unlikely to put her at a significant disadvantage, given that most of the time Wozniacki generally doesn't attack off her return of serve, and seems content to roll the return of service back cross court to start the rally. Bojana would be wise to direct most of her attention to the forehand wing while she's on serve, as it negates thet threat that Wozniacki could step in and smack an aggressive backhand return.

I really think that if Bojana wants the win here, she's going to have to be aggressive, willing to pull the trigger and attack the second service and forehand. Given that Wozniacki's movement and traction on the surface isn't especially great, I think it'd be a nice plan to throw in angles and slices to move her out wide to the backhand wing, and then attack to the forehand into the open court. This could draw the short forehand that could present an opening to win the point. Also going behind Wozniacki would also be an effective ploy on clay.

All of this. I think this is the first post in a long, long time that I agree with 100% on anything.

You are a smart man, KBlade.

DS.Fan.
May 2nd, 2011, 05:23 AM
Come on Bojo!at least no bagels

KBlade
May 2nd, 2011, 05:26 AM
All of this. I think this is the first post in a long, long time that I agree with 100% on anything.

You are a smart man, KBlade.

I try :wavey:

QuietPlease
May 2nd, 2011, 09:18 AM
Caro: 6-4, 6-2

MaBaker
May 2nd, 2011, 09:21 AM
Bojana 6-0 6-1.

flareon
May 2nd, 2011, 09:41 AM
You're a funny guy :wavey:

That "Danish scrub" is the one who's going to win :wavey:

That other random player is the one who's going home :wavey:

Right thats it I have put up with you long enough! Bojana is not a random, wozniacki is terrible on clay she lacks any elegance. You are so arrogant that woz is going to win that when she loses you go all defensive because she has lost, it fans like you that ruin it for everyone else. If you have nothing good to say then do not waste it by saying anything.

Rant over,

Bojana will win about 10 games hopefully.

BlueTrees
May 2nd, 2011, 10:06 AM
Jovanovski 6-0 6-2.

stangtennis
May 2nd, 2011, 10:20 AM
If you have nothing good to say then do not waste it by saying anything.

wozniacki is terrible on clay she lacks any elegance.
So you don't even follow your own advice in the post where you gave the advice :rolleyes:

it fans like you that ruin it for everyone else.
World Life is just a troll.

madmax
May 2nd, 2011, 10:43 AM
hopefully enough of them to send the dane packing:cheer:
Go Bojana

flareon
May 2nd, 2011, 11:11 AM
So you don't even follow your own advice in the post where you gave the advice :rolleyes:


World Life is just a troll.

She does lack elegance.

kollun
May 2nd, 2011, 11:52 AM
She does lack elegance.
Maybe you should change sport? I heard Ice Dancing and Water Ballet gives points for style and elegance.

If you look for elegance you have Federer on the ATP tour.

But who has elegance on the WTA?

flareon
May 2nd, 2011, 11:56 AM
Maybe you should change sport? I heard Ice Dancing and Water Ballet gives points for style and elegance.

If you look for elegance you have Federer on the ATP tour.

But who has elegance on the WTA?

in my personal opinion, jelena jankovic has elegance also julia goerges has elegance as well.

poulao
May 2nd, 2011, 12:05 PM
in my personal opinion, jelena jankovic has elegance also julia goerges has elegance as well.

Please, no offence, but what about the rest then and your fav in particular :)

flareon
May 2nd, 2011, 12:11 PM
Please, no offence, but what about the rest then and your fav in particular :)

Kim Cijsters plays elegant tennis sometimes, but I do not get where your coming from there, at the end of the day its fine you support caroline but she cannot be everything.

BartoLiNa
May 2nd, 2011, 12:11 PM
4-6.

kollun
May 2nd, 2011, 12:22 PM
in my personal opinion, jelena jankovic has elegance also julia goerges has elegance as well.
Are you sure you are not mistaken elegance with good looks? Could we agree that elegance is movement, as in moving on the front part of the foot? Julia is very flatfooted in her movement, look at a youtube, and listen to the loud "clap" her feet make whenever she has to change direction. Also her shots and serve are not very fluid.
Jelena I would agree has some elegance is movement, but not in her shots. But again one could argue whoever you look at, its always Federer you compare to, and looking at everyone else, you always find flaws.

madmax
May 2nd, 2011, 12:29 PM
Are you sure you are not mistaken elegance with good looks? Could we agree that elegance is movement, as in moving on the front part of the foot? Julia is very flatfooted in her movement, look at a youtube, and listen to the loud "clap" her feet make whenever she has to change direction. Also her shots and serve are not very fluid.
Jelena I would agree has some elegance is movement, but not in her shots. But again one could argue whoever you look at, its always Federer you compare to, and looking at everyone else, you always find flaws.

I tend to disagree here actually...I find Julia's serve and forehand the most aesthetically pleasing shots on women's tour - the big elegant swings and power shots excecuted in perfection. Of course one may like laboured grinding game of Pushniacki, but I doubt you will find many who agree with you here

KBlade
May 2nd, 2011, 12:39 PM
I tend to disagree here actually...I find Julia's serve and forehand the most aesthetically pleasing shots on women's tour - the big elegant swings and power shots excecuted in perfection. Of course one may like laboured grinding game of Pushniacki, but I doubt you will find many who agree with you here

I also agree with this. I think the poster is mistaking fluidity for her slightly unorthodox takebacks for her service and strokes. I find her game elegant and very aesthetically pleasing. In the bolded section, you have summed up my opinion perfectly.

flareon
May 2nd, 2011, 12:39 PM
Too name some others, dulko and pennetta are both elegant players, it helps that they are good looking but they way they construct points, especially dulko is nice to watch, radwanska's drop shot and lob are other elegant shots as well. for me anyway. Alona Bondarenko as well I love watching her play shots.

poulao
May 2nd, 2011, 01:18 PM
Kim Cijsters plays elegant tennis sometimes, but I do not get where your coming from there, at the end of the day its fine you support caroline but she cannot be everything.

Just, that there are and have been in the past, cute, stylish and or elegant players around, but as there are no points for being cute, stylish or elegant in tennis, nor for being big, strong and or hitting the ball hard, what ever. Without winning matches, it doesn't count for shit. ;)

flareon
May 2nd, 2011, 01:20 PM
Just, that there are and have been in the past, cute, stylish and or elegant players around, but as there are no points for being cute, stylish or elegant in tennis, nor for being big, strong and or hitting the ball hard, what ever. Without winning matches, it doesn't count for shit. ;)

Its a shame serena is injure she hit the ball hard and won matches :)

poulao
May 2nd, 2011, 01:23 PM
Its a shame serena is injure she hit the ball hard and won matches :)

And it helps a lot doesn't it :lol:

kollun
May 2nd, 2011, 01:28 PM
I also agree with this. I think the poster is mistaking fluidity for her slightly unorthodox takebacks for her service and strokes. I find her game elegant and very aesthetically pleasing. In the bolded section, you have summed up my opinion perfectly.
Beauty and elegance is maybe a bit in the eyes of the beholder, so lets agree that her takebacks are elegant in your eyes, but not in my eyes. :)

Vikapower
May 2nd, 2011, 01:42 PM
I tend to disagree here actually...I find Julia's serve and forehand the most aesthetically pleasing shots on women's tour - the big elegant swings and power shots excecuted in perfection. Of course one may like laboured grinding game of Pushniacki, but I doubt you will find many who agree with you here

Yep. Right but her movement and footwork aren't and maybe the Danish poster would have a point there. I wished she would be much more lighter on her feet ala Federer or close especially when she turns around the BH... But I'll keep dreaming... :spit:

Break My Rapture
May 2nd, 2011, 06:22 PM
I tend to disagree here actually...I find Julia's serve and forehand the most aesthetically pleasing shots on women's tour - the big elegant swings and power shots excecuted in perfection. Of course one may like laboured grinding game of Pushniacki, but I doubt you will find many who agree with you here
I'm saying this as a fan, but Julia doesn't always hit her shots "perfectly". Her giant takebacks are a guarantee for shanks but they are lesser in numbers on the clay where she has enough time.

A-Bond
May 2nd, 2011, 06:40 PM
6 at the very most. She's not good enough to win any more than that against Wozniacki.

Weren't you the one predicting Caro would beat Goerges easily in Stuttgart final? However I have to agree, don't see BoJo beating Caro. A 6:3 6:2 win or something similar seems likely.

goldenlox
May 3rd, 2011, 12:38 AM
A tall big hitter will be a good prep for round 3.

SwissMiss19
May 3rd, 2011, 12:56 AM
Are you sure you are not mistaken elegance with good looks? Could we agree that elegance is movement, as in moving on the front part of the foot? Julia is very flatfooted in her movement, look at a youtube, and listen to the loud "clap" her feet make whenever she has to change direction. Also her shots and serve are not very fluid.
Jelena I would agree has some elegance is movement, but not in her shots. But again one could argue whoever you look at, its always Federer you compare to, and looking at everyone else, you always find flaws.

I don't find a single WTA player that has elegance in their style of play. When I look for elegance, I try to find effortless in their game, but so far that isn't found in many of todays players. I'm dying to have a true "elegant" women's player on the tour. I know there is one out there but I want her on the top 10 where I can keep an eye on her...Julia has a great smooth serve, and she does seem effortless but I don't find her elegant. And neither do I with JJ.

As for the Bojana and Caro match...it's a tough one. Bojana hasn't been consistent with her game these past few months while Caro has been, but of course that's been on hard court and now we have entered a new season of the red devil clay. I believe Caro could win it in straight sets but I think the scoreline will be around, 6-4, 6-3(4). It's hard to predict the scoreline on any day because a player can wake up and feel amazing and then the next day feel like they've been run over with a truck. You can't predict these things easily.

WozTakesAll
May 3rd, 2011, 07:34 AM
WTA Top 10 W/L on CLAY from 2009-today
1. Caroline Wozniacki 47-13
2. Flavia Pennetta 40-15
3. Jelena Jankovic 38-12
4. Anabel Medina Garrigues 33-21
5. Aravane Rezai 32-15
6. Gisela Dulko 32-19
7. Samantha Stosur 31-9
8. Maria-Jose Martinez Sanchez 31-13
9. Carla Suarez Navarro 31-19
10. Francesca Schiavone 30-11

Repped for truth, its good to see some facts instead of speculations.

C. W. Fields
May 3rd, 2011, 07:45 AM
My main curiosity about this match is to see how Caro performs, it's the first 'real' RC match of hers in a long time. Stuttgart was indoors and all the extra training she was doing there made her a little heavy. Now she should be rested and we can see if the extra training has benefitted her. How she performs on outdoors clay here should give us an idea of what to expect from her on outdoors clay at FO.

Wert.
May 3rd, 2011, 09:02 AM
7

62 75

Smitten
May 3rd, 2011, 09:29 AM
Why does this thread have so many replies?

Jovanovski will not get the required pace she needs to deflect it in rallies, and Karolina can play mid-paced rallies all day.

QuietPlease
May 3rd, 2011, 02:31 PM
Caro: 6-4, 6-2


1. set 6-4 Caro :bounce:

So far so good :cool:

Anabelcroft
May 3rd, 2011, 03:13 PM
I think 8 games ;)

goldenlox
May 3rd, 2011, 03:16 PM
most people were in the 7, 8 range.

QuietPlease
May 3rd, 2011, 03:20 PM
6-4, 6-2


Okay, 64 64. Close enough, a win is a win. Most importantly through to the 3rd round!