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Ianto_Jones
May 1st, 2011, 01:58 PM
It was the 28-year-old Medina Garrigues' 10th WTA title and ninth on clay, tying her with Venus Williams for most clay court titles among active players. The former Top 20 player is projected to return to the Top 50 on Monday.


Read this. http://www.wtatennis.com/news/20110430/medina-wins-10th-title-ties-venus-on-clay_2256076_2350214

I'm just shocked that it's Venus who had the most titles on clay.

Unfortunately I gotta run to church, but do discuss.

Uranium
May 1st, 2011, 02:06 PM
It's not surprising that Venus has the most clay titles (now with Anabel) because she is GOOD on clay. Despite what people think, Venus is more than capable on the surface plus has been around a while. It is just once she steps foot in Roland Garros, she is dreadful.

Miracle Worker
May 1st, 2011, 02:09 PM
Venus Williams has one of the highest percentage win/loss on clay among active players.

But she always has problems during Roland Garros, and that's why a lot of people don't give her any chance to win big title on clay...

Mistress of Evil
May 1st, 2011, 02:18 PM
as if Dramabel's title comes close to the quality of Vee's :spit:

rechi
May 1st, 2011, 02:18 PM
wow, i'm a huge Veeliever, but i didn't know that fact about her! Hope she can a few more... :)

The Dawntreader
May 1st, 2011, 02:22 PM
Venus is pretty much proven on all surfaces. It's only the recent 'PEnUs SUUcKs' naysayers who believe she is some kind of one-surface hack.

Miss Atomic Bomb
May 1st, 2011, 02:37 PM
Venus Williams has one of the highest percentage win/loss on clay among active players.


Only active player with a better win/loss record on clay than Venus is Pova :lol:

Vikapower
May 1st, 2011, 02:45 PM
To have the 2nd. highest W-L record on clay and not have at least 1 RG title. Claps. Vee. THIS is your real accomplishment.

Mistress of Evil
May 1st, 2011, 02:52 PM
Only active player with a better win/loss record on clay than Venus is Pova :lol:

Werk it :cheer: though, Masha is just a Cow on ice wannabe :sobbing:
Queen Vee is the real deal. :bowdown:

Uranium
May 1st, 2011, 02:57 PM
Only active player with a better win/loss record on clay than Venus is Pova :lol:

That is not true. Maria has 77.33% (after today's win) and Venus has 78.29%.

rimon
May 1st, 2011, 03:03 PM
It's not surprising that Venus has the most clay titles (now with Anabel) because she is GOOD on clay. Despite what people think, Venus is more than capable on the surface plus has been around a while. It is just once she steps foot in Roland Garros, she is dreadful.

Just like Mauresmo? What is both of them and their mental blocks there?

Freakan
May 1st, 2011, 03:08 PM
Venus has been playing for much longer than any other top player and bothers to play clay MM tournaments than no other top player cares about. 9 titles doesn't really make her better clay courter than Kuznetsova or Jankovic.

MaBaker
May 1st, 2011, 03:11 PM
Unfortunately I gotta run to church, but do discuss.
lol

Svetlana)))
May 1st, 2011, 03:12 PM
Venus doesn't suck on clay. She sucks at Roland Garros.

Miss Atomic Bomb
May 1st, 2011, 03:31 PM
That is not true. Maria has 77.33% (after today's win) and Venus has 78.29%.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maria_Sharapova_career_statistics This states that Sharapova's win-loss record on clay is 78.5%

Uranium
May 1st, 2011, 03:49 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maria_Sharapova_career_statistics This states that Sharapova's win-loss record on clay is 78.5%

And the WTA site has her at 77.33%.

Wikipedia is including 25K ITFs, while WTA does not.

Mynarco
May 1st, 2011, 03:53 PM
Sadly all 9 are MMs

Ianto_Jones
May 1st, 2011, 03:57 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maria_Sharapova_career_statistics This states that Sharapova's win-loss record on clay is 78.5%

Since when is Wikipedia accepted as a source in Academia?

Please provide actual facts...because Wikipedia is often wrong...

stangtennis
May 1st, 2011, 03:58 PM
Venus' clay W-L %: 100*139/(139+38) = 78.53 %
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venus_Williams_career_statistics#Singles

Sharapova's clay W-L %: 100*66/(66+18) = 78.57 %
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maria_Sharapova_career_statistics#Singles_performa nce_timeline

Miss Atomic Bomb
May 1st, 2011, 04:02 PM
Since when is Wikipedia accepted as a source in Academia?


Since when did this thread turn into an academic research?

Ianto_Jones
May 1st, 2011, 04:10 PM
Since when did this thread turn into an academic research?

Since I showed up. :help:

No worries, personally I just prefer to have other sources besides wikipedia. Sorry. :tape:

Miss Atomic Bomb
May 1st, 2011, 04:21 PM
Since I showed up. :help:

Talk about sense of entitlement :lol:


No worries, personally I just prefer to have other sources besides wikipedia. Sorry. :tape:

Thats ok, Uranium has stats from the WTA website, but they dont include 25k tournaments ;)

Helen Lawson
May 1st, 2011, 04:23 PM
Some of her titles are bs, but she had some good ones, too, Rome, I think one or two at Hamburg/Warsaw, Amelia Island, Charlestown, just bad luck at RG.

faboozadoo15
May 1st, 2011, 07:38 PM
She can win anywhere but at Roland Garros. 2002 was her year. She was healthy, made the final but played an awful final against her sister.

justineheninfan
May 1st, 2011, 08:01 PM
This stat just puts into perspective how far greater Henin is than all the other clay courters of this era. Two players a prime Henin would probably double breadstick on clay have the most clay titles of players left now with her retiring, LOL! Of this past generation players on clay:

Henin



















Everyone else.

LCS
May 1st, 2011, 08:10 PM
MM collection for Dramabel vs Premier events for Venus.

End of discussion.

FoxyliciousKhat
May 1st, 2011, 08:24 PM
This stat just puts into perspective how far greater Henin is than all the other clay courters of this era. Two players a prime Henin would probably double breadstick on clay have the most clay titles of players left now with her retiring, LOL! Of this past generation players on clay:

Henin



















Everyone else.

STRUUUUUUUUUUPESSSSSSSSS!!!! It's a pity that Venus dished out the one bagel between both of them.:lol:

Foxy

justineheninfan
May 1st, 2011, 08:33 PM
I agree Venus isnt a better clay courter than some of those who have less titles, but in her prime she was very good albeit never great clay courter. These are the 10 best clay courters of the Henin era IMO:

1. Henin


-----enormous gap------









2. Serena
3. Kuznetsova
4. Ivanovic
5. Jankovic
6. Venus
7. Schiavone
8. Dementieva
9. Petrova
10. Stosur

If Capriati counts she comes in at around 4th.

KapitalL
May 1st, 2011, 10:33 PM
I agree Venus isnt a better clay courter than some of those who have less titles, but in her prime she was very good albeit never great clay courter. These are the 10 best clay courters of the Henin era IMO:

1. Henin


-----enormous gap------









2. Serena
3. Kuznetsova
4. Ivanovic
5. Jankovic
6. Venus
7. Schiavone
8. Dementieva
9. Petrova
10. Stosur

If Capriati counts she comes in at around 4th.

Not a Kim fan are you :lol:

Vikapower
May 1st, 2011, 11:14 PM
Fran is really overrated with the RG... hopefully my dear Victoria wins the same event to be part of the list too. ^^

Observe the Franatism : she the player in question has never made the final of a Tier I on the surface and bar her major, the highest event she possesses on clay is an International event. ^^ Victoria won Marbella and she is ignored in fashionable manners... people are so uselessly mean... :/

With a quick Kworbing though maybe her 93-55 record on main draws up to 2010 is the reason for the overrate. :S

Fran the clay Mozart. :bounce:

Smitten
May 1st, 2011, 11:21 PM
She can win anywhere but at Roland Garros. 2002 was her year. She was healthy, made the final but played an awful final against her sister.

2000 was her year. Losing to a past-it Sanchez-Vicario in the QF with Conchita in the SF and Pierce, whom she beat twice in clay finals during 1999, for the trophy.

Serena was the best player on red clay for all of 2002. The lead-up and displayed the best form in Roland Garros.

Pump-it-UP
May 1st, 2011, 11:30 PM
2000 was her year. Losing to a past-it Sanchez-Vicario in the QF with Conchita in the SF and Pierce, whom she beat twice in clay finals during 1999, for the trophy.

Serena was the best player on red clay for all of 2002. The lead-up and displayed the best form in Roland Garros.

+1. 2004 was terrible too though. :o

Ryan
May 2nd, 2011, 01:17 AM
Were people actually saying AMG is as good as Venus? It's just an interesting statistic. Of course Venus' titles are bigger, more impressive, etc, but its interesting to see that AMG is right up there with sheer number of titles. Good for her, carving out quite a nice career and winning points/money/titles.

rimon
May 2nd, 2011, 01:39 AM
I agree Venus isnt a better clay courter than some of those who have less titles, but in her prime she was very good albeit never great clay courter. These are the 10 best clay courters of the Henin era IMO:

1. Henin


-----enormous gap------









2. Serena
3. Kuznetsova
4. Ivanovic
5. Jankovic
6. Venus
7. Schiavone
8. Dementieva
9. Petrova
10. Stosur

If Capriati counts she comes in at around 4th.

Where's Kim? And how could you put Serena above Kuznetsova and Capriati?

Mynarco
May 2nd, 2011, 01:47 AM
How many CC titles did Juju win? is it 12?
arin?
Which player comes after Venus/AMG? Sharapova?

faboozadoo15
May 2nd, 2011, 02:04 AM
2000 was her year. Losing to a past-it Sanchez-Vicario in the QF with Conchita in the SF and Pierce, whom she beat twice in clay finals during 1999, for the trophy.

Serena was the best player on red clay for all of 2002. The lead-up and displayed the best form in Roland Garros.

Yeah I guess you're right. Venus did play a miserable final though.

I don't think Venus was going to beat Conchita and Mary in the form of her life if she couldn't get past Arantxa who really declined after 98.

I mean, Sharapova has an easy win over Pierce on red clay...

faboozadoo15
May 2nd, 2011, 02:05 AM
How many CC titles did Juju win? is it 12?
arin?
Which player comes after Venus/AMG? Sharapova?

Sharapova only has 2. Kim, Sveta, Ana, Jelena, Petrova.

MBM
May 2nd, 2011, 02:13 AM
AMG for RG title... and now I have posted that (even if I wasn't serious), I HAVE to put at least £1 on it or I'd never forgive myself!!

The fact that she has been able to get that final win so many times obviously sets her apart from the headcases who just crap themselves in finals. Good on her. I still don't like her though.

KBlade
May 2nd, 2011, 03:07 AM
I'm incredibly surprised that AMG even has this many titles. I mean, if you exclude the size of the tournaments, she has more titles than bigger names such as Radwanska, Bartoli and Pennetta :scared:

Cherry.
May 2nd, 2011, 03:47 AM
I'm incredibly surprised that AMG even has this many titles. I mean, if you exclude the size of the tournaments, she has more titles than bigger names such as Radwanska, Bartoli and Pennetta :scared:Well, in this case if you look at our current top 10, she has more titles than Schiavone, Azarenka, Li and Stosur, and has only 1 less than Zvonareva and 2 less than Jankovic.
:spit:

faboozadoo15
May 2nd, 2011, 03:48 AM
I'm incredibly surprised that AMG even has this many titles. I mean, if you exclude the size of the tournaments, she has more titles than bigger names such as Radwanska, Bartoli and Pennetta :scared:

AMG is older than those other players, isn't she? She also whores around MM tournaments and is so pesky and mentally tough.

Those other players play one or two international events per year, right?

justineheninfan
May 2nd, 2011, 09:02 AM
Where's Kim? And how could you put Serena above Kuznetsova and Capriati?

Serena of 2002 and 2003 would destroy Kuznetsova on clay. The 02-03 Serena is the only one who can play even a prime Henin evenly on clay. Since Kuznetsova's achievements on the surface are hardly that far ahead, that is enough to put Serena over her for me.

Capriati was never considered a great clay courter in the real clay court era that had Graf, Seles, Sanchez, Sabatini, Martinez, and others. She only became a top threat on the surface in the weaker 2000s clay court era. Her best surface by far is still hard courts. Serena still beat her at her best at the 2002 French. And her achievements on the surface arent clearly above Serena either, only 1 French final and not many titles on the surface.

I forgot Clijsters. I would put her just behind Serena, Capriati, and Kuznetsova I guess for now.

justineheninfan
May 2nd, 2011, 09:11 AM
As for speculating on years for Venus to have won the French, if there ever was one it was clearly 1999. She actually came in as the favorite or atleast co-favorite with Hingis that year. She had tore up the clay court circuit that year, winning several tier 1 or tier 2 titles, and beating many quality clay courters to do it, including a win over then #1 Hingis.

2000, ROTFL!!! How stupid. Venus has been thrashed by Dokic and Coetzer in lead up events and had a late start to her year due to injury. I was surprised she made it as far as she did that year (quarters). Roland Garros was nothing more than a tune up for Wimbledon for her that year. As for losing to Sanchez, she barely beat Sanchez on hard courts during her dominant streak later that year when she found arguably her best form ever, so of course still rusty she was always losing to Sanchez on clay. And that she beat Pierce twice in 99 on clay means nothing, Pierce was a totally different player in 2000 than 1999, and Venus of the 2000 clay court season was nothing like 1999 either.

2002? Not really. She was in reasonably good clay court form but she was only the 4th or 5th favorite to win that year behind Serena, Capriati, and possibly Henin and/or Clijsters. As it turned out she lucked out to be in by far the weaker half and made hay with it, but she was never beating Serena in that final. And if Capriati had won that semi with Serena, she still probably wouldnt have, as even though she is 4-0 vs Capriati they have never played on clay and Jennifer is the slightly better clay courter (obviously the inferior player on any other surface, hence the not surprising H2H).

Betten
May 2nd, 2011, 09:13 AM
Venus is an underrated clay court player because she tends to blow up at Roland Garros (specifically 1999 and 2004).

Matt01
May 2nd, 2011, 11:59 AM
Capriati was never considered a great clay courter in the real clay court era that had Graf, Seles, Sanchez, Sabatini, Martinez, and others. She only became a top threat on the surface in the weaker 2000s clay court era.


:bs: Capriati in the early 90s made consecutive semi finals at RG and won the Olympics against ASV and Graf ON CLAY.

justineheninfan
May 2nd, 2011, 05:57 PM
:bs: Capriati in the early 90s made consecutive semi finals at RG and won the Olympics against ASV and Graf ON CLAY.

Capriati did not make consecutive SFs at RG in the early 90s. Her only semifinal before 2001 was in 1990. She lost 4th round in 1991, quarters in 1992, and quarters in 1993, all in easy straight sets. Her only title on clay before 1999 was the Olympic Gold, which is at best on par with a tier 2 title at the time. She made only 2 tournament finals on clay before 1999 in fact.

Matt01
May 2nd, 2011, 09:12 PM
Her only title on clay before 1999 was the Olympic Gold, which is at best on par with a tier 2 title at the time.


Please :lol:

Sammo
May 2nd, 2011, 09:26 PM
But Venus won Rome and Anabel has just won MMs

Dawn Marie
Feb 29th, 2012, 07:55 PM
Venus Williams,I hope you are healthy enuff to play RG. :-)

Londoner
Feb 29th, 2012, 08:19 PM
Venus beat Seles at RG and the only player that stopped her that year was Serena. Those numerous final defeats to Serena did something to Venus in my view. But give her credit, she kept on trucking and she's still an icon of the sport. Regardless of her results, she's one of the most important players ever.

Lennval
Feb 29th, 2012, 09:49 PM
I just find ridiculous people arguing about percentages :spit:

Charlatan
Feb 29th, 2012, 11:35 PM
i am surprised medina has tied the number of clay titles with venus..but of course, not quality wise

justineheninfan
Mar 1st, 2012, 09:46 PM
i am surprised medina has tied the number of clay titles with venus..but of course, not quality wise

TBH it is surprising either one of them is in the lead in clay titles amongst active players, even with Henin retired. One would expect multiple players to be ahead of both. Venus was an excellent clay courter from 98-2004 though, much better than she is in recent memory.

justineheninfan
Mar 1st, 2012, 09:49 PM
Some of her titles are bs, but she had some good ones, too, Rome, I think one or two at Hamburg/Warsaw, Amelia Island, Charlestown, just bad luck at RG.

Her finest ever win was at Charleston where she beat Justine Henin from 6-2, 4-0 the final to win the title. She also beat Martina Hingis and Pierce back to back to win Rome, her second biggest victory (considering the opposition).

SwingVolley93
Mar 1st, 2012, 10:01 PM
:yawn:

Infiniti2001
Mar 1st, 2012, 11:12 PM
Her finest ever win was at Charleston where she beat Justine Henin from 6-2, 4-0 the final to win the title. She also beat Martina Hingis and Pierce back to back to win Rome, her second biggest victory (considering the opposition).

Amelia Island in Jacksonville :)

Charlatan
Mar 2nd, 2012, 12:16 AM
TBH it is surprising either one of them is in the lead in clay titles amongst active players, even with Henin retired. One would expect multiple players to be ahead of both. Venus was an excellent clay courter from 98-2004 though, much better than she is in recent memory.

Definitely. I always thought henin has the most clay court titles (given her history at RG) until I found out recently that it's venus. and now this, medina.

justineheninfan
Mar 2nd, 2012, 12:19 AM
Henin has more clay titles than both but she isnt an active player anymore. Amongst current players I would have guessed Serena or Kuznetsova.

Charlatan
Mar 2nd, 2012, 12:24 AM
My bad. I overlooked the word 'active', too :o

Viktymise
Mar 2nd, 2012, 12:26 AM
Seeing this thread makes md want to see her playing well again one last time. I don't think it will happen though.

Direwolf
Mar 2nd, 2012, 05:37 AM
I dont even think that Medina has won a non-MM title.

jrollaneres25
Mar 2nd, 2012, 06:19 AM
Venus doesn't suck on clay. She sucks at Roland Garros.

It's funny that she "sucks" their, but she could very well have had a French Open title. She let little sis have that one ;)

rjd1111
Mar 2nd, 2012, 06:17 PM
Only active player with a better win/loss record on clay than Venus is Pova :lol:

And the haters have been saying for years that Venus sucked on clay.

bobito
Mar 2nd, 2012, 06:53 PM
No doubt about it, Venus was to Acapulco what Justine was to Paris.

Matt01
Mar 2nd, 2012, 07:51 PM
It's funny that she "sucks" their, but she could very well have had a French Open title. She let little sis have that one ;)


She could have reached even more than 1 French Open final to get another chance for a title but she lost to the likes of Karatancheva, Schwartz and Szavay.

rjd1111
Mar 2nd, 2012, 11:30 PM
She could have reached even more than 1 French Open final to get another chance for a title but she lost to the likes of Karatancheva, Schwartz and Szavay.

Didn't it come out later that Secil was juicing and was suspended

Nicolás89
Mar 2nd, 2012, 11:35 PM
And Henin fans want to keep arguing that her clay records were so grand despite a massive clay field, and here we have AMG, Venus and Pova as players with the better clay records among actives. :haha:

Matt01
Mar 2nd, 2012, 11:54 PM
Didn't it come out later that Secil was juicing and was suspended


Yeah, that must have the reason for Venus' loss :spit:


And Henin fans want to keep arguing that her clay records were so grand despite a massive clay field, and here we have AMG, Venus and Pova as players with the better clay records among actives. :haha:


What are you talking about? :scratch:

Nicolás89
Mar 2nd, 2012, 11:56 PM
What are you talking about? :scratch:

About Henin?

Matt01
Mar 3rd, 2012, 12:03 AM
About Henin?


In that case you are mentally r*tarded for saying that Venus, AMG and Pova have a better clay court record than Henin. :)

rjd1111
Mar 3rd, 2012, 12:10 AM
Only active player with a better win/loss record on clay than Venus is Pova :lol:

Pova has a 79.5% and Venus has a 78.5%....1 pt diff.

Pova is 78 - 20

Venus is 139 - 38

Venus has 61 more wins and I think that renders the comparison moot.

StephenUK
Mar 3rd, 2012, 12:17 AM
Venus can play well on clay but in recent years this has only been limited to MMs, which kind of equates her to Anabel and Flavia Pennetta. Her Roland Garros record was always poor considering her high seedings - managing to lose to two of the three great Austrian Barbaras, Sesil etc and she struggles to make the second week most years these days, so that hardly makes her a clay court giant. The fact that Venus tops this poll with Anabel really indicates how far clay court tennis is adrift these days, certainly since the demise of Justine on the surface since her last 2007 RG win, everyone who seems to have a vogue on clay then proceeds to nosedive into oblivion eg Ivanovic, Kuznetsova, Safina, and worst of all, Aravane Rezai.

rjd1111
Mar 3rd, 2012, 12:25 AM
This stat just puts into perspective how far greater Henin is than all the other clay courters of this era. Two players a prime Henin would probably double breadstick on clay have the most clay titles of players left now with her retiring, LOL! Of this past generation players on clay:

Henin



















Everyone else.

Henin NEVER breadsticked Venus on clay

They played twice on clay. Henin won in a r16 at

Berlin and Venus beat Justine in a final at Amlia Island

a year later.

Matt01
Mar 3rd, 2012, 01:05 AM
Henin NEVER breadsticked Venus on clay

They played twice on clay. Henin won in a r16 at

Berlin and Venus beat Justine in a final at Amlia Island

a year later.


6:1 is a breadstick, no?

ptkten
Mar 3rd, 2012, 01:15 AM
The problem is that people in General Messages have such short attention spans. If it didn't happen in the last year, then it never happened. This is not surprising to me at all. Venus might not be great on clay now, but her game in general has slipped on all surfaces in the last couple of years. In her peak from 98-04, she was clearly one of the top 3-5 players in the world on clay and won every major clay court title except Berlin (which she easily could have won if she didn't pull out before the final in '04) including titles at Charleston, Amelia Island, Warsaw, Hamburg, and Rome. She just choked in Paris for whatever reason.

The Dawntreader
Mar 3rd, 2012, 01:18 AM
Venus was a top 5 Clay-court player from 1999-2004. It's no surprise that her credentials are marked on the surface.

VeeJJ
Mar 3rd, 2012, 05:05 AM
Didn't she take Safina to 64 in the third 2 years back in the Rome SF? That was when Safina was GOAT on clay.

The Kaz
Mar 3rd, 2012, 05:11 AM
Didn't she take Safina to 64 in the third 2 years back in the Rome SF? That was when Safina was GOAT on clay.

Safina also lost sets to Zheng (won 76 in the 3rd) and MJMS that tournament... so hardly that amazing.

In The Zone
Mar 3rd, 2012, 07:04 AM
Safina also lost sets to Zheng (won 76 in the 3rd) and MJMS that tournament... so hardly that amazing.

Talk about ridiculous. Safina dominated clay in 2009 until the RG final. Chalk up another soldier to the whiny, snarky teenager hiding behind a computer to bring some sort of value to their life. You and Matt01 should hang out.

StephenUK
Mar 3rd, 2012, 08:20 AM
Venus was a top 5 Clay-court player from 1999-2004. It's no surprise that her credentials are marked on the surface.

You are right about this era. She was definitely better than Serena on clay during this period and IMO totally deserved a Roland Garros from it far more than little sister. But even during this period, she only managed 1 Roland Garros final and managed to lose to unseeded Barbara Schwartz (4r 1999), Arantxa when ASV was seeded 8 to Venus's 4 (qf 2000), unseeded Barbara Schett (1r 2001 when seeded 2, the result that mysteriously ushered in the 32 seeds straight after) ,Vera Zvonareva, seeded 22 (4r 2003 when seeded 3) and Myskina (qf 2004). In her last 6 RGs she has only made the qf once (losing to Vaidisova) and lost 3r four times (losing to Sesil, Pennetta, JJ, Szavay).:help:

VeeJJ
Mar 3rd, 2012, 08:32 AM
Safina also lost sets to Zheng (won 76 in the 3rd) and MJMS that tournament... so hardly that amazing.

Bullshit. An inform Zheng is not a cakewalk opponent. Her short swings are a nightmare for a lot of players and she excels against power players like Safina. And MJMS is a good clay court player. And when in form she can play well. So says her Rome title and taking Serena to 3 sets at rg that year.

sammy01
Mar 3rd, 2012, 08:38 AM
all this tells me is that there is far too many MM clay court titles. i mean there in feb, april, may even after wimbledon. i mean at one point there was even one in the 2 week warm up for wimbledon :help:

Dawn Marie
Mar 3rd, 2012, 01:53 PM
all this tells me is that there is far too many MM clay court titles. i mean there in feb, april, may even after wimbledon. i mean at one point there was even one in the 2 week warm up for wimbledon :help:
No what this really tells us imho is that their arent enough grass tourneys. If they were Venus would own around 10000.000 more titles in her glorious career. :)

The Witch-king
Mar 3rd, 2012, 02:13 PM
No what this really tells us imho is that their arent enough grass tourneys. If they were Venus would own around 10000.000 more titles in her glorious career. :)

Girl....;) :yeah:

Bullshit. An inform Zheng is not a cakewalk opponent. Her short swings are a nightmare for a lot of players and she excels against power players like Safina. And MJMS is a good clay court player. And when in form she can play well. So says her Rome title and taking Serena to 3 sets at rg that year.

Talk about ridiculous. Safina dominated clay in 2009 until the RG final. Chalk up another soldier to the whiny, snarky teenager hiding behind a computer to bring some sort of value to their life. You and Matt01 should hang out.

Whatever you do don't bring up the Zvonareva, Schiavone, Schnyder x 998 and Stosur wins from 2010. I don't think their excuse factories could handle it :sobbing:

Bismarck.
Mar 3rd, 2012, 02:34 PM
God, I saw the thread title and I thought it was referring to Annabel Croft. :tape:

Mynarco
Mar 3rd, 2012, 02:35 PM
If Pennetta wins Acapulco tomorrow she will be two away from AMG, one away from Vinas

AlwaysGraf
Mar 3rd, 2012, 03:00 PM
Oh come on Amg and the likes of penetta schiavone are natural clay courters--- Venus sharapova and serena are big girls, hardcourt players who just hit hard on every surface... The fact that 99% of the tour is the same just makes them look like good clay courters and heck even good grass courters

AcesHigh
Mar 3rd, 2012, 04:13 PM
That Venus-Safina match was great.

sammy01
Mar 3rd, 2012, 04:21 PM
That Venus-Safina match was great.

what makes you say that. to me it was kind of sad, a former great phsyical athlete like venus being worn down. makes you wonder if even back then you could see venus wilt in long tough matches, what she will be like if she ever comes back.

oh and the last game of the match was disgusting, safina choking hard, venus repaying her with stupid play :help:

Pump-it-UP
Mar 3rd, 2012, 04:29 PM
Oh come on Amg and the likes of penetta schiavone are natural clay courters--- Venus sharapova and serena are big girls, hardcourt players who just hit hard on every surface... The fact that 99% of the tour is the same just makes them look like good clay courters and heck even good grass courters

:spit: You try so hard. Bless.

Mixal
Mar 3rd, 2012, 04:32 PM
That Venus-Safina match was great.

God, I hated it so much. :lol:

First of all, I was upset how she managed to get to SF, losing 1st sets to Zheng and Martinez and winning because they dropped their level (biased). Then Venus pushed hard in the 3rd and wasted multiple game points IIRC. Basically, she was really tired, and Safina's scrambling was amazing at that time.

I don't think it was great at all.

rjd1111
Mar 3rd, 2012, 05:21 PM
6:1 is a breadstick, no?

Yes Matt, I stand corrected. I missed that. Thanks.

She did breadstick Venus in that match. In looking back

it is also interesting to note that a couple of months

later Venus breadsticked Henin right back and finished

the match with a bagel.


Also the poster intimated that Henin would double breadstick

Venus. That didn't happen.

Nicolás89
Mar 3rd, 2012, 05:33 PM
In that case you are mentally r*tarded for saying that Venus, AMG and Pova have a better clay court record than Henin. :)

Lol I guess that makes you an illiterate then if you don't know what this means "better clay records among actives". Pressed. :lol:

gc-spurs
Mar 3rd, 2012, 07:59 PM
Pova has a 79.5% and Venus has a 78.5%....1 pt diff.

Pova is 78 - 20

Venus is 139 - 38

Venus has 61 more wins and I think that renders the comparison moot.

No. You can't look at the numbers in absolute, Venus has like 5 years on Pova.