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Meelis
Apr 17th, 2011, 11:21 AM
(1)Caroline Wozniacki (DEN) v BYE
(Q)Anna Chakvetadze (RUS) v (LL)Zuzana Kucova (SVK)
Andrea Petkovic (GER) v (Q)Tamira Paszek (AUT)
(LL)Beatriz Garcia-Vidagany (ESP) v (7)Jelena Jankovic (SRB)

(3)Francesca Schiavone (ITA) v BYE
(Q)Jamie Hampton (USA) v Agnieszka Radwanska (POL)
(wc)Kristina Barrois (GER) v Lucie Safarova (CZE)
Tsvetana Pironkova (BUL) v (8)Marion Bartoli (FRA)

(6)Na Li (CHN) v Anastasija Sevastova (LAT)
(wc)Sabine Lisicki (GER) v Dominika Cibulkova (SVK)
Julia Goerges (GER) v (Q)Michaella Krajicek (NED)
(4)Victoria Azarenka (BLR) v BYE

(5)Samantha Stosur (AUS) v Maria Jose Martinez Sanchez (ESP)
Alexandra Dulgheru (ROU) v Daniela Hantuchova (SVK)
Anastasia Pavlyuchenkova (RUS) v Roberta Vinci (ITA)
(2)Vera Zvonareva (RUS) v BYE

-NAJ-
Apr 17th, 2011, 11:25 AM
Jelena's draw is:cuckoo:

TeamUla
Apr 17th, 2011, 11:27 AM
Schiavone vs Radwanska again :p

Cinek
Apr 17th, 2011, 11:32 AM
Agnieszka :sad:

TeamUla
Apr 17th, 2011, 11:34 AM
The draw could have been much worse Cinek so don't cry. ;)

Valanga
Apr 17th, 2011, 11:37 AM
Jankovic is sooooo gonna lose first round

saul1333
Apr 17th, 2011, 11:38 AM
Go Vika and Aga!!

pedropt
Apr 17th, 2011, 11:39 AM
(1)Caroline Wozniacki (DEN) v BYE
Yanina Wickmayer (BEL) v Qualifier
Andrea Petkovic (GER) v Qualifier
Petra Kvitova (CZE) v (7)Jelena Jankovic (SRB)

:facepalm:

Hian
Apr 17th, 2011, 12:01 PM
Good luck to:

Andrea Petkovic (GER)
(7)Jelena Jankovic (SRB)
(3)Francesca Schiavone (ITA)
Lucie Safarova (CZE)
(8)Marion Bartoli (FRA)
Anastasija Sevastova (LAT)
(wc)Sabine Lisicki (GER)
Julia Goerges (GER)
(4)Victoria Azarenka (BLR)
Daniela Hantuchova (SVK)
Roberta Vinci (ITA)

adner
Apr 17th, 2011, 12:10 PM
The draw could have been much worse Cinek so don't cry. ;)

Yeah, Schiavone doesn't skip Fed Cup without a reason. I see 3 overhyped players in one quarter with Caro and Jelena. Nice, some of those bandwagoners will be sad :lol:

C. W. Fields
Apr 17th, 2011, 12:39 PM
Vika has a good draw, she should make at leat SF without too much trouble the way she's been playing lately. In SF she may encounter a clay specialist having a good tournament (Stosur/Sanchez/Dulgheru).

1987518LPF
Apr 17th, 2011, 01:19 PM
(6)Na Li (CHN) v Anastasija Sevastova (LAT):rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

FORZA SARITA
Apr 17th, 2011, 01:36 PM
Yeah, Schiavone doesn't skip Fed Cup without a reason. I see 3 overhyped players in one quarter with Caro and Jelena. Nice, some of those bandwagoners will be sad :lol:

Fran didn't skip FC because was injured :lol:

Belmont Lad
Apr 17th, 2011, 01:50 PM
Jelena's quarter is insane :sobbing: :sobbing:

adner
Apr 17th, 2011, 01:51 PM
Fran didn't skip FC because was injured :lol:
I could have thought about it, but I don't really see where I wrote that :devil:

Uranus
Apr 17th, 2011, 01:56 PM
Very interesting draw. The first quarter is :eek:.

Chakvenus
Apr 17th, 2011, 03:19 PM
GL to Marion, Dani, Domi, Aga, JJ, and Anna (wherever she is placed)

Daniela-Is-Mine
Apr 17th, 2011, 03:26 PM
The qualifiers will be praying for Goerges...

Jan
Apr 17th, 2011, 03:28 PM
I don't rate the draw, especially the first quarter :eek:
Awful draw for Jelena :help: but good luck JJ anyway, I will be cheering you on:wavey:

Drake1980
Apr 17th, 2011, 03:46 PM
OMG! That is a stacked Draw! :eek:

Curcubeu
Apr 17th, 2011, 06:17 PM
Good luck Alexandra and push Dani to death! ;) :cheer:

TheBoiledEgg
Apr 17th, 2011, 08:36 PM
Schiavone & Wickmayer out !!!!
both withdrew

Curcubeu
Apr 17th, 2011, 08:41 PM
In how far will it influence the draw? :scratch:

Ralph214
Apr 17th, 2011, 08:46 PM
Please remake the draw :hysteric:

TheBoiledEgg
Apr 17th, 2011, 08:48 PM
In how far will it influence the draw? :scratch:

Draw won't change now. Too late. So a Q/LL has a bye
OOP already out.

Håkon
Apr 17th, 2011, 08:58 PM
Draw won't change now. Too late. So a Q/LL has a bye
OOP already out.

WTA rulebook page 72:

iii. Main Draw and Qualifying – After the Release of the Schedule
of Play
(a) Prior to the 1st Match of the Event
If a seed withdraws from the Main Draw or Qualifying after
the release of the schedule of play, the day preceding the
start of the event (singles or doubles), up until the commencement of the first match of the event involved:
(i) The next eligible seed takes the open spot, and
(ii) A Qualifier/Lucky Loser (or an Alternate Wild Card if
the withdrawal was from a Wild Card) takes the spot
created by her move

---

think this means Radwanska gets a bye & Q/LL plays Martínez?

Jorn
Apr 17th, 2011, 09:04 PM
So Caro will play LL/Q or Q?

also Anna Chak, in MD.

Valanga
Apr 17th, 2011, 09:28 PM
Caro's draw suddenly is much easier.
So who would have the bye?

Daniela-Is-Mine
Apr 17th, 2011, 10:21 PM
Does that mean a LL gets a BYE?

TeamUla
Apr 17th, 2011, 10:26 PM
I guess that Q/LL gets a bye!

Jorn
Apr 17th, 2011, 10:31 PM
If they follow the Rule book:

(i) The next eligible seed takes the open spot

But who's the next 'eligible' Seed?

Daniela-Is-Mine
Apr 17th, 2011, 10:34 PM
Probably JJ since the next two seeds are already on the OOP?

adner
Apr 18th, 2011, 05:16 AM
If they follow the Rule book:



But who's the next 'eligible' Seed?
Radwanska, I assume - she'd be the 9th seed.

legionmx
Apr 18th, 2011, 05:38 AM
WTA rulebook page 72:

iii. Main Draw and Qualifying – After the Release of the Schedule
of Play
(a) Prior to the 1st Match of the Event
If a seed withdraws from the Main Draw or Qualifying after
the release of the schedule of play, the day preceding the
start of the event (singles or doubles), up until the commencement of the first match of the event involved:
(i) The next eligible seed takes the open spot, and
(ii) A Qualifier/Lucky Loser (or an Alternate Wild Card if
the withdrawal was from a Wild Card) takes the spot
created by her move

---

think this means Radwanska gets a bye & Q/LL plays Martínez?

Interpreting strictly, yes, I also infer that Radwanska is the "next eligible seed". Also strictly, it seems a Q/LL would take Radwanska spot, meaning a Qualifier vs Qualifier/LL match, instead of the Radwanska vs Qualifier match.

To be honest, I don't know if there is context around it but, the rule cited is pretty ambiguous, as it doesn't define exactly who is "[t]he next eligible seed". Maybe to WTA officials is pretty clear (or is defined somewhere else in the rulebook), but to us mortals is not that clear.

What makes me doubt about the Radwanska QvsQ/LL interpretation is that it just seems too good for Agnieszka. Out of the sudden she gets a 1st round bye, and a second round match against a Qualifier/LL.

Another, not so strict, interpretation is that either Azarenka or Stosur are the "next eligible seed". Azarenka because she is right under Schiavone in the seeding, but it could also be Stosur, with the rationale that Azarenka is already receiving a bye and Stosur is the next seed that isn't. I don't know if officials can interpret the rule as they see fit (giving Radwanska a bye over four better ranked players just doesn't seem right), or if there are strict interpretation criteria. Guess we will see in a few hours.

Also, Wickmayer (not seeded) is clearly been replaced by a Q/LL, right?

Jorn
Apr 18th, 2011, 09:48 AM
Yes, Wickmayer will be replaced by Q/LL

Any news will it be like TBE said, Fran's place taken by Q/LL or the next Seed get In on her place?

Draw won't change now. Too late. So a Q/LL has a bye
OOP already out.

WTA rulebook page 72:

iii. Main Draw and Qualifying – After the Release of the Schedule
of Play
(a) Prior to the 1st Match of the Event
If a seed withdraws from the Main Draw or Qualifying after
the release of the schedule of play, the day preceding the
start of the event (singles or doubles), up until the commencement of the first match of the event involved:
(i) The next eligible seed takes the open spot, and
(ii) A Qualifier/Lucky Loser (or an Alternate Wild Card if
the withdrawal was from a Wild Card) takes the spot
created by her move

Jorn
Apr 18th, 2011, 09:57 AM
Now they say Fran is still IN. We will see...

But Wicky is Out.

goldenlox
Apr 18th, 2011, 10:39 AM
I hope Fran is in. Since she played that exo Monday, exhaustion doesnt make sense

twi
Apr 18th, 2011, 12:01 PM
Francesca is in! http://www.tennisworlditalia.com/WTA-STOCCARDA---Schiavone-si-cancella-Ancora-russe-sul-cammino-della-Vinci-articolo3321.html
sorry

Jorn
Apr 18th, 2011, 12:05 PM
She trains and be at interview sessions but now Out?

Jorn
Apr 18th, 2011, 12:25 PM
But that website got (copy/paste) the Entry Lists from here, so they may got the wd info from here? :o

Jorn
Apr 18th, 2011, 01:35 PM
Fran is still IN, but Kvitova now also Out.

Jorn
Apr 18th, 2011, 01:38 PM
(1)Caroline Wozniacki (DEN) v BYE
Qualifier/LL v Qualifier/LL
Andrea Petkovic (GER) v Qualifier/LL
Qualifier/LL v (7)Jelena Jankovic (SRB)

(3)Francesca Schiavone (ITA) v BYE
Qualifier/LL v Agnieszka Radwanska (POL)
(wc)Kristina Barrois (GER) v Lucie Safarova (CZE)
Tsvetana Pironkova (BUL) v (8)Marion Bartoli (FRA)

(6)Na Li (CHN) v Anastasija Sevastova (LAT)
(wc)Sabine Lisicki (GER) v Dominika Cibulkova (SVK)
Julia Goerges (GER) v Qualifier/LL
(4)Victoria Azarenka (BLR) v BYE

(5)Samantha Stosur (AUS) v Maria Jose Martinez Sanchez (ESP)
Alexandra Dulgheru (ROU) v Daniela Hantuchova (SVK)
Anastasia Pavlyuchenkova (RUS) v Roberta Vinci (ITA)
(2)Vera Zvonareva (RUS) v BYE

espana
Apr 18th, 2011, 02:31 PM
Kvitova, Wickmayer withdrew for sure:
http://www.porsche-tennis.de/prod/pag/tennis.nsf/web/german-archive_pressreleases_T11_0138_de?OpenDocument&cont=current_topnews#pagetop
Schiavone hasn't withdrawn:
http://twitter.com/WTA

twi
Apr 18th, 2011, 03:45 PM
francesca officially IN. excuse me

goldenlox
Apr 18th, 2011, 04:19 PM
Then Caroline plays Jankovic or Petkovic in the QF.
So its only 1 'easy' match, and if its Chakvetadze, its not too easy.

Noctis
Apr 18th, 2011, 04:40 PM
new draw ?

stangtennis
Apr 18th, 2011, 05:03 PM
new draw ?
Here: http://www.wtatennis.com/SEWTATour-Archive/posting/2011/717/MDS.pdf

So Wozniacki plays

Bye

and then

Lucky Loser
The winner of Qualifier vs. LL

SVK
Apr 18th, 2011, 05:09 PM
LL will be draw randomly as Wickmayer pulled out before Q´s were known

Noctis
Apr 18th, 2011, 05:11 PM
SO

Q V Q
Q V Radwanska
Q V Goerges
Q V Jankovic

Any 4 would be good :)

SVK
Apr 18th, 2011, 05:13 PM
And Petkovic is playing against...?:scratch:

Noctis
Apr 18th, 2011, 05:33 PM
i FORGOT But Anna leads 3-0 H2H I don't mind :angel: even if she loses to petkorazi

joe87
Apr 18th, 2011, 05:35 PM
With Schiavone out, Radwanska gets 9th seed and the BYE? Or LL gets the bye? :confused:

joe87
Apr 18th, 2011, 05:42 PM
Ah, okay. Didn't read the full thread in GM :angel:

Cinek
Apr 18th, 2011, 06:04 PM
Qualifiers pleaced?

krul
Apr 18th, 2011, 06:06 PM
When distribute Q and LL?

Ballbasher
Apr 18th, 2011, 06:15 PM
Hampton-Radwanska
Garcia-Jankovic
Chakvetadze-Kucova
Krajicek-Goerges
Paszek-Petkovic

SVK
Apr 18th, 2011, 06:19 PM
Nooo Chakvetadze - Kucova again:bigcry:
The worst possible draw, surely they won´t be on TV:sad:

But winner gets Wozniacki right?:oh:

Jorn
Apr 18th, 2011, 06:24 PM
Bea luckely got In. But vs. JJ...

TheBoiledEgg
Apr 18th, 2011, 06:26 PM
Anna ok she got Woz but i'll take that in r2
c'mon Anna !!!!!!

Domo19
Apr 18th, 2011, 06:26 PM
Radwanska vs Hampton...it wouldn't be easy...

fouc
Apr 18th, 2011, 06:37 PM
why? couldn't be easier.

Valanga
Apr 18th, 2011, 06:39 PM
BGV got JJ :lol:

Ballbasher
Apr 18th, 2011, 06:42 PM
Hampton and Krajicek played the Best Tennis today.

Jorn
Apr 18th, 2011, 06:48 PM
Misa will beat Julia G, so we get her on ES? :)


But we in Germany maybe Julia will be on CC tomorrow.

A-Bond
Apr 18th, 2011, 06:56 PM
Misa will beat Julia G, so we get her on ES? :)


But we in Germany maybe Julia will be on CC tomorrow.

Nooo why Misa vs. Julia :sad: On the plus side one player I like will for sure reach 2R :cool:

adner
Apr 18th, 2011, 07:03 PM
Hampton and Krajicek played the Best Tennis today.
Sorry, but this is just another league :lol: Players who lost sets to Vrljic or got taken to 6-4 by Garcia Vidagany don't seem too dangerous to top players next day(not that I consider Goerges that good either).

stangtennis
Apr 18th, 2011, 07:28 PM
Updated main draw: http://www.porsche-tennis.de/prod/pag/tennis.nsf/downloads/orderofplay_maindraw/$file/md.pdf

legionmx
Apr 18th, 2011, 10:00 PM
:sad: I wanted to see how the officials ruled that "next eligible seed". :sad:

Plus I have to admit that I wanted Radwanska to advance easily to the QFs :devil: ...

And now the most interesting part of the draw (Woz,Kvitova,Wick,Petko,Jankovic) became one of the dullest. Only a Woz vs Petko rematch in the QF could make it interesting :cool: .

Håkon
Apr 18th, 2011, 10:06 PM
:sad: I wanted to see how the officials ruled that "next eligible seed". :sad:

The preceding few paragraphs of the rule book (regarding what to do when players withdraw before the schedule is out) all write 'next player eligible to be seeded', which is unambiguous. I suppose by the end they were just fed up of writing 6 words and took a shortcut.

And now the most interesting part of the draw (Woz,Kvitova,Wick,Petko,Jankovic) became one of the dullest. Only a Woz vs Petko rematch in the QF could make it interesting :cool: .

tbf, it would just be a replay of Charleston mostly :p weird to have the draw repeat itself so much.

legionmx
Apr 18th, 2011, 11:36 PM
The preceding few paragraphs of the rule book (regarding what to do when players withdraw before the schedule is out) all write 'next player eligible to be seeded', which is unambiguous. I suppose by the end they were just fed up of writing 6 words and took a shortcut.

Yep, I also noticed that. The specific rule that would have applied is the only one with the ambiguous phrasing. So, inferring the meaning from the other rules phrasings, then it would have been Radwanska. :eek:

tbf, it would just be a replay of Charleston mostly :p weird to have the draw repeat itself so much.

I was thinking more like a Miami rehash where Petko takes on Jankovic and Wozniacki :lol: . Also the Wickmayer vs Woz in Charleston was a close match, three setter with only a break of difference, and I even recall that Wick was up a break in the third set.
But yes, it would also have been a Charleston rehash with Wozniacki vs Wick and then vs Jankovic. I mean, a Woz vs Jank rematch will be dull, straight repetition from Charleston.