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*Nefertiti*
Apr 7th, 2011, 04:28 AM
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*Nefertiti*
Apr 7th, 2011, 04:29 AM
Currently is the European Championship.

Mustafina has dominated the qualifications.

No one from Romania qualified to beam finals, that was shocking!

Danči Dementia
Apr 7th, 2011, 09:46 AM
oh Queen Khorkina :worship: my absoulet number one favorite AG gymnast :drool:


I┤m GUTTED at Porgras missing the AA and beam final and at Kononenko missing UB finals :sobbing: :sobbing:

I┤m hoping to see Mustafina kicking some ass in AA.:drool:

and it may be too much to ask but I would LOVE to watch Chuso winning vault :worship:

I┤m going for
AA: Mustafina
VT: Chusivitina (wish) Mustafina (realistic)
UB: Tweddle
BB: Mustafina/Dementieva
FX: Izbasa


does my avatar works?? :confused:
should be this one:
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e323/tchachinafan/mustafina.gif

*Nefertiti*
Apr 7th, 2011, 10:02 AM
The avatar doesn't move. :sad:

What has happened to Porgras? Is she adjusting to her new body, or is it the beam coach leaving?

Without chocking, Mustafina is going to dominate the championship. Her confidence is the best, she has the worst twists of all World champions :sobbing: but she has no weak event, perfect landings, so powerful and acts like a star.

Oh and Khorkina, the only gymnast that I keep watching her routines every week. I don't know, she is not the best gymnast or the strongest but there is something that is so appealing about her gymnastics.

Danči Dementia
Apr 7th, 2011, 10:17 AM
Porgras fell on vault, floor and beam during qualies :sad: :sobbing:

I think she has an injury or is sick of something, I dunno for sure, she does looks heavier though.....

Nabieva┤s twists are worst than Mustafina :sobbing:
if Aliya hits she┤ll win AA, VT and BB, I don┤t think she┤ll win UB or FX if Tweddle and Izbasa hit though.
she┤s very stable and a fierce competitor so I think she┤ll go home with at least 3 pretty gold medals.



how can I get my avatar to move?? :sobbing:

Khorkina was special, very unique, people can complain what they want about her form or being a diva or whatever but she┤s definietly one of the best top 5 gymnasts in history from wherever side you look at it (medal count, elements)she┤s a sports legend :worship:

*Nefertiti*
Apr 7th, 2011, 10:37 AM
.

Nabieva┤s twists are worst than Mustafina :sobbing:


I know. I meant among World AA champions.

Where is Komova btw?

dybbuk
Apr 7th, 2011, 07:03 PM
What happened with Porgras? Is she having growing problems? :sad: That's sad, she had such a lovely light quality to her gymnastics last year which you don't often see anymore.

delicatecutter
Apr 7th, 2011, 07:11 PM
I know. I meant among World AA champions.

Where is Komova btw?

Komova has an ankle injury, I believe. I don't think it's that serious but it's better to be safe than sorry.

And I heard that Porgras was great in training. She must have just had a bad day.

Direwolf
Apr 7th, 2011, 07:15 PM
arent there any guys?

Danči Dementia
Apr 8th, 2011, 07:14 PM
My Mustafa got injured and had to be taken to the hospital in a wheelchair :hysteric: :hysteric:




Anna Dementieva is the new European Champion, I┤m happy for her she along Mustafina and Porgras stand for what AG is about and I┤m even happier because now she can go and rub it into her teammates face to they┤ll dislike her and set her aside for a good reason, specially that b!tch Semenova


way to go Anna!! :worship: :inlove:

I highly doubt Mustafina will compete in the finals so that means Dementieva for UB and FX finals!!! :D

as much as I love her, with her awful technique honestly I┤m surprised she didn┤t got injured before

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsI0-FrZ8bM

I really hope its nothing serious :sad: :sad:

there wasn┤t even a fucking need to throw the Amanar for God┤s sake :fiery: :sobbing: :sobbing:

Danči Dementia
Apr 8th, 2011, 08:28 PM
Dementieva┤s routines

UB: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtfGJ..._order&list=UL
BB: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnb2u..._order&list=UL
FX: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOREw..._order&list=UL


she┤s delightful to watch, that floor routine is exquisite :inlove:

Curcubeu
Apr 8th, 2011, 09:07 PM
arent there any guys?

Here! :wavey:

Even from Romania!

Ana, that was utterly shit yesterday... :facepalm:
Failing in the qualies as the officiating world champ... :help:

But that's gymnastics! One fall and everything is over... :o

It's speculated that she has some smaller injury, but she was so shocked herself yesterday that she didn't say any word to the press which I can understand very well at her age! :sad:
Pressure here in Romania on the girls is barely endurable after that domination at Sydney and all the following retirements, but I hope that Octavian Bellu can bring us back on top! :)

But my hopes are still on the blond angel Sandra! Never thought that she will come back from her serious injury so strongly! :inlove:
And Diana will try her best to nettle one of the Russian girls! :cheer:

Mustafina really got injured at the most inapt time of the year? Damn, that's pure tragedy! :hug:

Can she compete tomorrow?

Curcubeu
Apr 8th, 2011, 09:20 PM
Apparently not, a person on youtube:

UPDATE: World champion Aliya Mustafina has suffered a torn meniscus and will need surgery, coach Valentina Rodionenko says


Gymnastic is the most brutal sport on earth... :sobbing:

I hope that she will come back like Sandra did! :hug:

Curcubeu
Apr 8th, 2011, 09:25 PM
Bronz medal for Amelia Racea! :woohoo:

Never expected her to win a medal, rather Diana who ended up 4th... :o

And Flavius with the contest of his life reaching second place in the all around of men! :spit: :yeah:

antonella
Apr 8th, 2011, 10:20 PM
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e323/tchachinafan/mustafina.gif

Cool FŘhrer salute!

*Nefertiti*
Apr 8th, 2011, 10:50 PM
Mustafina suffers from a serious knee injury :sad:

LindsayRulz
Apr 9th, 2011, 02:32 AM
Poor Mustafina. :sad:

Didn't Yekaterina Lobaznyuk have a similar injury (on vault too) which ended her career back in 2001? :unsure:

Danči Dementia
Apr 9th, 2011, 09:49 AM
well Lobaz had a torn meniscus (or whatever that is in English) but she also had torn ligaments on the same knee so hers was a lot more ugly.

now I┤m reading that they have retracted the statement about her tearing the meniscus, the "real" diagnosis will be known later today.

I┤m literally praying that t won┤t be torn ligaments (like goddess Pavlova), otherwise she can already say good bye to the London Olympics....:sad:


and mostly I hope they┤ll finally teach her good technique.

if its something serious it will shorten her career, her routines are packed with difficulty and having a weak knee will lower down her difficulty.


oh Aliya :hysteric::sobbing:

JustPetko
Apr 9th, 2011, 11:25 AM
Poor Aliya :sobbing:
Marta Pihan-Kulesza only 0.150pts behind Top 10. :(

Danči Dementia
Apr 9th, 2011, 11:44 AM
Mustafina is in the audience and she was walking!!!! :bounce: :bounce: :sobbing:

Danči Dementia
Apr 9th, 2011, 11:48 AM
Alexander Shatilov is soo fucking handsome :sobbing:

I hope he wins today :inlove:

Danči Dementia
Apr 9th, 2011, 12:32 PM
Gold for Izbasa in vault!!! :bounce: and silver for Chuso!!! :bounce: :sobbing:

this would have never happend if Belu hadn┤t come back to train the Romanian team, he┤s such a vault beast!! :worship:


the only bad thing about Izbasa today was her leo.......my God itw AWFUL! :sobbing:

Curcubeu
Apr 9th, 2011, 12:38 PM
Sandra!! :woohoo:

The QUEEN is back on stage! :inlove:

She's such a fighter and so ambitious! Well deserved after the whole bad luck in the past! :hug:

Danči Dementia
Apr 9th, 2011, 12:51 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miMRkww-VEw

fak yes!!! :inlove: :bounce:

I┤m so happy and proud of her, she┤s one gutsy lady, she overcame a serious injury and came back better than ever, I think she┤s a much better gymnast than in the past :inlove:

but Sandra, pretty please, don┤t ever wear that leo again....:hysteric:

I also hope she┤ll win gold in FX, I love her routine:drool:

Gaz.
Apr 9th, 2011, 01:01 PM
Mustafina :sobbing:

Danči Dementia
Apr 9th, 2011, 01:16 PM
oh my fucking God................I just read that Mustafina tore ACL, like Pavlova :sad: :sad:

bye bye to the happiness I was feeling with today┤s competiton :sobbing:

http://sport.rian.ru/sport/20110409/362718034.html

I┤m gutted :sad:

why to throw the fucking Amanar?, she didn┤t need it :sad:

Gaz.
Apr 9th, 2011, 01:20 PM
^ :sobbing::sobbing::sobbing:

*Nefertiti*
Apr 10th, 2011, 12:12 AM
oh my fucking God................I just read that Mustafina tore ACL, like Pavlova :sad: :sad:

bye bye to the happiness I was feeling with today┤s competiton :sobbing:

http://sport.rian.ru/sport/20110409/362718034.html

I┤m gutted :sad:

why to throw the fucking Amanar?, she didn┤t need it :sad:

The sad thing is that she was such a good gymnast to watch, her character was amazing. This injury is one of the worst injuries you can get in gymnastics. Dobre suffered that injury too in 1988.

It will also disturb the Russian gymnastics again :sad:

:sad:

LindsayRulz
Apr 10th, 2011, 04:02 AM
I was watching some old videos of Khorkina today and I didn't know she could do a full twist double back! :eek:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJdxMYombAE&feature=related

Anyone know why she didn't perform that element in the 96 Olympics?

*Nefertiti*
Apr 10th, 2011, 04:23 AM
I was watching some old videos of Khorkina today and I didn't know she could do a full twist double back! :eek:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJdxMYombAE&feature=related

Anyone know why she didn't perform that element in the 96 Olympics?

Khorkina had a back injury in 1996. She did the full in again in 2001.

hellas719
Apr 10th, 2011, 05:58 AM
Some Greek guy won a bronze medal in the rings :D
And last year we had a guy win the gold medal in the World Championships in the floor exercise :woohoo:

Haimar
Apr 10th, 2011, 11:15 AM
Khorkina is one of my favourite athletes of all time, the class and energy she had was amazing :hearts:

A lot of new names on the EC this year, at the women's side I only know three or four of them :o

delicatecutter
Apr 10th, 2011, 01:42 PM
Dementyeva won beam! :cheer: She must feel like she's in a dream and I bet she hasn't stopped smiling for the past 2 days. :lol:

Curcubeu
Apr 10th, 2011, 04:57 PM
GOLD and SILVER for the Romanian girls on the floor!! :woohoo:

SANDRA and DIANA with impressive stuff and I had the feeling that Izbasa could have at least add one more wheel to every jump combination she made! :lol:

*Nefertiti*
Apr 10th, 2011, 06:16 PM
Dementyeva won beam! :cheer: She must feel like she's in a dream and I bet she hasn't stopped smiling for the past 2 days. :lol:

:yeah:

GOLD and SILVER for the Romanian girls on the floor!! :woohoo:

SANDRA and DIANA with impressive stuff and I had the feeling that Izbasa could have at least add one more wheel to every jump combination she made! :lol:

Romanian gymnastics :worship:

Curcubeu
Apr 10th, 2011, 09:52 PM
Romanian gymnastics :worship:

Still a way to go to the form of Olympia 2004, when Romania won 4 of the 6 gold medals in the women competitions... :lol:

dybbuk
Apr 10th, 2011, 10:06 PM
Are the event finals up on Youtube yet? I plan on watching them soon. Glad Tweetie won bars. Really nice results for Raluca too.

*Nefertiti*
Apr 12th, 2011, 08:58 AM
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Danči Dementia
Apr 12th, 2011, 09:22 AM
Are the event finals up on Youtube yet? I plan on watching them soon. Glad Tweetie won bars. Really nice results for Raluca too.

you can find them already.

actually videos hve been uploaded very fast, Izbasa┤s floor, vault, Dementieva┤s beam were already uploaded literally 5 minutes after the finals ended :speakles: I┤m pretty sure its a gymnastics record.

Tweddle didn┤t have her best performance in bars final and her floor is Godawful, actually it was rather disapointing for me, had Nabieva connected her Nabieva into pak salto (as she was supossed to) she would have won the gold, most likely her only opporyunity to ever become bars champion and she blew it........ídamned it Tatiana! can never get one right with you:( :sobbing:
but still very nice good resutls for Tweetie, given she┤s not competiton ready yet (that┤s what she said)




my favorite Khorkina montage ever:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSG3HyWyR9A

:inlove:

*Nefertiti*
Apr 12th, 2011, 09:46 AM
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*Nefertiti*
Apr 12th, 2011, 10:00 AM
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delicatecutter
Apr 16th, 2011, 06:26 PM
Hey y'all. NCAA Super 6 finals starts in about an hour and a half. Here's a link to the livestream:

http://www.ncaa.com/liveschedule

It looks to be a race between Alabama and UCLA for the title. But the Bruins struggled on beam in prelims. :sobbing: I really hope they can get it together today!

Curcubeu
Apr 17th, 2011, 08:19 PM
Sandra Izbasa's best friend is Irina-Camelia Begu. The two of them were deskmates in primary school:eek: . I knew Sandra used to play tennis but didn't know Irina was the reason :lol:

Irina was Sandra Izbasa's classmate, the woman of the moment in Romanian sport after winning two gold medals at the European Gymnastics Championships in Berlin.

"Irina Begu and Sandra Izbasa it's the hottest couple of girls in the history of the school where they learned. The two were deskmates from grade 1 to 4. Both are Steaua fans, often talk on the phone, see eachothers when they can, they are like twin sisters." Steluţa Begu

"I had no time for college, but after I finish my tennis career I'll start studying. I'll study physiotherapy at the National Academy of Physical Education, like Sandra", Irina said yesterday.

Danči Dementia
Apr 29th, 2011, 08:43 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8B_AkEUraN4

@0:36
flick, loso to a motherfucking arabian :drool: :drool:

I swear she┤s God :inlove: :angel:

please don┤t break her!! she(or Aliya but doubt it now :sad:) has to win London :sobbing: :sobbing:

Wally darling why do you keep changing your username? makes it hard to spot you:sobbing:

wta_zuperfann
Apr 30th, 2011, 02:35 AM
anyone remember Tamara Lazakovich?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwCHrDHXHUM

http://tamara-lazakovich.narod.ru/main.files/image002.gif

Great gymnast who had a very troubled life that was cut short by acute alcoholism.

delicatecutter
Apr 30th, 2011, 05:26 AM
Sweetie I don't keep changing my name. :sobbing: I changed it once and I'll be changing it back soon. :) And eys, Komova has to dominate at Worlds. :inlove:

shap_half
May 1st, 2011, 07:10 AM
Svetlana Khorkina = LEGEND. People can say what they want, but her gymnastics history has already been written. When you look back at the entire sport, people will always note her for her contributions, her impact and her success. Plus, she is the last true star gymnastics produced. I doubt there is going to be another who so single-handedly defined the sport.

PS: If you don't know, my user name is obviously an homage to her. Shap_half is the shaposhnikova with a half turn, also known as the Khorkina transition from the low to high bar.

shap_half
May 1st, 2011, 07:15 AM
Does anyone know how much Sveta's final UB routine would be worth now? I'm so unfamiliar with the new code, but if I can still remember, the routine was,

Ricna + Pak + Stalder Full + Khorkina II
Stalder 1 1/2 + Markelov
Full In

Danči Dementia
May 3rd, 2011, 09:37 AM
Sweetie I don't keep changing my name. :sobbing: I changed it once and I'll be changing it back soon. :) And eys, Komova has to dominate at Worlds. :inlove:

:sobbing: I feel like you change it every month :sobbing:

I don┤t think she┤ll dominate :sad: she┤s still having problems with her foot and its taking it easy on 3 apparatus, she went to Germany to have her heel checked in the same clinic where Mustafina had surgery, Russia needs her though, like really, but I┤m soo glad to see they┤re taking it easy, afterall Olympics are next year and they┤re far more important.

but well, there is always a sunshine somwehere and Pavlova┤s chances at making the team, looking at t objectively are very good:D:D:D




Svetlana Khorkina = LEGEND. People can say what they want, but her gymnastics history has already been written. When you look back at the entire sport, people will always not her for her contributions, her impact and her success. Plus, she is the last true star gymnastics produced. I doubt there is going to be another who so single-handedly defined the sport.

PS: If you don't know, my user name is obviously an homage to her. Shap_half is the shaposhnikova with a half turn, also known as the Khorkina transition from the low to high bar.

she was born to be a star, she will always be a legend and her name is tattoed on on every side of gymnastics:hearts::worship:
she had that star quality all over her, and such things are always good for a sport like this one(hence why I wanted Mustafina to dominate so badly)

*Nefertiti*
May 12th, 2011, 09:34 AM
Khorkina got married!

*Nefertiti*
Jun 24th, 2011, 01:47 PM
http://www.eg.ru/upimg/photo/114509.jpg omg thats her husband

njnetswill
Jun 24th, 2011, 09:50 PM
:help:

Bismarck.
Jun 24th, 2011, 09:57 PM
http://gymnasticscoaching.com/new/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Svetlana-and-Oleg.jpg

Here's another picture. :)

antonella
Jun 24th, 2011, 10:03 PM
http://www.eg.ru/upimg/photo/114509.jpg omg thats her husband

Maybe it's the proud father.:lol:

*Nefertiti*
Jun 24th, 2011, 10:52 PM
Maybe it's the proud father.:lol:

She says he is 55 but I don't believe it.

Danči Dementia
Oct 4th, 2011, 09:21 AM
is anyone following what┤s going on at worlds trainings??

I wasn┤t that much into it this time, and shoulsn┤t even try to get into it but I can┤t stay way :sobbing: haven┤t really been updated (asides from Russian or Romanian updates).

well, Ponor is back and back in full force, she┤s going for gold. Would have never thought she would be back on top that soon.:worship:, I just love it how when she gets on the beam she inmediately owns it and makes it her bitch:hearts:. either her or Porgras for beam gold :cheer:

Izbasa got injured again :sobbing: poor thing, I think this is like the third time she has to withdraw from worlds days away from the start date, thatr has to suck :(.

and just a few minutes ago Komova nailed her Amanar, clean and fully rotated!!:bounce::bounce:
I would so love it if she wins AA, UB, I also would love to see Dementieva with a AA, BB medal.
Afan winning gold in FX and as always Chuso ftw in VT.

it doesn┤t seems very realistic, and part of me wants that "if you win the year before the Olympics you won┤t be Olympic champion" curse to not to fall in Russia.



Go Russia & Romania!! :cheer:

PS: Yamilet Pe˝a landed the Produnova!!!!║_║ didn┤tthink anyone else was going to be able to pull such vault off in at leats 5 years time

delicatecutter
Oct 7th, 2011, 06:05 PM
Cata Ponor is back bitches!!!

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Disastrous day for Porgras. :sad:

Can't wait to see my Russian girls compete!! STOI!

*Nefertiti*
Oct 8th, 2011, 11:57 PM
Komova qualified first. :worship:

delicatecutter
Oct 9th, 2011, 12:20 AM
Queen Vika looks great. I will be devastated if she doesn't win the AA. :sad:

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dybbuk
Oct 9th, 2011, 01:07 AM
I am so out of the loop. Is Mustafina still injured? I also need to know who is the best bar worker atm, they are always who I stan for. And is Tweetie Bird still going for London? I hope she can make it there and get a medal.

dybbuk
Oct 9th, 2011, 01:09 AM
And by best bar worker I mean the one with the longest, prettiest lines. Not necessarily the ones with the biggest tricks.

delicatecutter
Oct 9th, 2011, 01:15 AM
Yes, Mustafina is still recovering from her ACL injury. She should be good come next year though.

Komova is the top qualifier to bars finals by quite a few tenths. Huang Qiushuang from China is pretty good on bars too. Tatiana Nabieva can swing bars really well but she's taken out her signature move. Gabby Douglas and Jordyn Wieber also made bars finals. But, Komova definitely has the best lines in the competition even though she's still so tiny.

Dani12
Oct 9th, 2011, 02:22 AM
Lauren Mitchell :facepalm: She is so good on the floor, shame so messed it up this one time.

delicatecutter
Oct 9th, 2011, 02:28 AM
I hated that Mitchell won FX last year but I don't think she was so bad she's not in Finals lol. I do think she should have won in 2009. But it's whatever. I feel bad for her that she didn't qualify for any EF.

shap_half
Oct 9th, 2011, 05:49 PM
I completely forgot about this! Thanks for the reminder, delicatecutter! I'm of course still rooting for the Russians to repeat, but it sounds like the Americans will be a tough, tough team to overcome. Women's team final is tomorrow?

delicatecutter
Oct 9th, 2011, 06:06 PM
Women's team finals is Tuesday.

shap_half
Oct 9th, 2011, 06:16 PM
I have to say that the Khorkina transition on bars looks much better done by Sveta with her legs spread. I understand the legs-together version is much difficult but it doesn't look more dynamic, which is what bars is all about. I don't think Sveta's spread legs looked less elegant, didn't disturb the lines of her performance. I think there's the added drama, too, of looking like she's flying between the bars.

That said, Komova looks amazing for worlds. I'm expecting a few gold medals from her in Tokyo.

I can't wait for Mustafina to come back next year stronger than ever and have a thoroughly dominating Russian team in London.

shap_half
Oct 9th, 2011, 06:26 PM
More on Komova: Boring on floor, really. Great explosive tumbling, but everything else is blah.

Really strong on beam. I have to say that the double turn is still one of my favorite moves there, but those side somersaults are so gross to look at. And I really wish these girls would come up with more interesting dismounts.

Shonami Slam
Oct 9th, 2011, 06:37 PM
can anyone tell me about the israeli results so far?

delicatecutter
Oct 9th, 2011, 06:41 PM
Well Komova used to do a double Arabian dismount. She really doesn't need it right now to be competitive. She's still coming back from an ankle injury and only did her full tumbling difficulty this week.

shap_half
Oct 9th, 2011, 07:17 PM
Does anyone know how much Sveta's final UB routine would be worth now? I'm so unfamiliar with the new code, but if I can still remember, the routine was,

Ricna + Pak + Stalder Full + Khorkina II
Stalder 1 1/2 + Markelov
Full In

Anyone on this? I know she also played around with many variations on a full-twisting double back dismount. I think she used all three: full-in, full-out, half-in half-out. All in tucked positions.

dybbuk
Oct 9th, 2011, 07:50 PM
Who is leading the US for the Olympics btw? Please God let there be a Liukin type gymnast. I always try to cheer for the US team but if it's a team of Shawn Johnsons I don't think I can do it.

shap_half
Oct 9th, 2011, 08:03 PM
I believe Nastia announced that she will attempt to come back for the Olympics.

delicatecutter
Oct 9th, 2011, 08:04 PM
Liukin just announced her comeback to try for the London team. She is only focusing on bars and beam.

The top US gymnasts are Jordyn Wieber and Ally Raisman. They are definitely more in the Shawn Johnson mold of gymnasts. McKayla Maroney and Sabrina Vega are both beautiful gymnasts who made the World team and should be in the mix for London. Maroney has the world's best Amanar and is the favorite to win the World title on vault.

*Nefertiti*
Oct 10th, 2011, 04:01 AM
I have to say that the Khorkina transition on bars looks much better done by Sveta with her legs spread.



khorkina never sees the bars while catching after her release. All other gymnasts can see the high bar slightly before catching. It's a huge difference, and I think one of the reasons many gymnasts do variations of the Khorkina transition and not exactly the same transition.

*Nefertiti*
Oct 10th, 2011, 04:07 AM
can anyone tell me about the israeli results so far?

Valeria Maksyuta was 10th in vault. Only 8 go to finals. The team didn't qualify.

Danči Dementia
Oct 10th, 2011, 11:08 AM
Dementieva missed every possible final, Porgras out ofeverything :sobbing: :sobbing: :sobbing:
I love Afanasyeva too, but the girl is a headcase, I much rather see Dementieva, but well at least this is a chance for Afanasyeva to prove herself and hopefully she will not fold as she always does.

MÚxico┤s team lost the pre-olimpics test spot, finishing 17th (one fucking place behind) :hysteric: no finals at all for Elsa GarcÝa :sad:................Moreno made vault finals at least.

Komova is such little goddess, hell yeah that┤s my girl!!! I get the impression that many people are getting carried away by this whole Weiber vs Vika thing and are forgeting how much of a big deal is what Komova did on prelims, the girl had like 2 months to train properly, with watered down routines and here she comes with basically all of her YOG difficulty, she is incredible, greatest talent the AG world has seen in ages, that beam routine is :drool:, her floor could be sooo much more and such a memorable routine, wished she were performing to the classical one all the song, with that class and those lines could have been absolutely perfect.
Proving that a Vika that is not doing the best of her capabilities could beat a Weiber doing full difficulty is simply amazing.:hearts::hearts:

and :yawn: @ Liukin and her comeback, less talking, more action.

shap_half
Oct 10th, 2011, 03:47 PM
khorkina never sees the bars while catching after her release. All other gymnasts can see the high bar slightly before catching. It's a huge difference, and I think one of the reasons many gymnasts do variations of the Khorkina transition and not exactly the same transition.

Oh, wow. I never realized that the other girl who do it now can see the high bar. Interesting.

M2k
Oct 11th, 2011, 01:04 AM
I though the US had no chance in hell to be top two :oh: It seems like all the veterans went down with injuries and the team was in big trouble. And I mean BIG trouble. Kudos to all the new girls for giving it their all. Each rotation was nerveracking.
My heart bleeds for McKayla Maroney :help:I was sure she would make FX finals :bigcry: Nevers really got to her there

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shap_half
Oct 11th, 2011, 01:38 AM
Do we know what time the finals are?

delicatecutter
Oct 11th, 2011, 01:45 AM
5am CST

I just found out my cable provider suddenly dropped Universal Sports and I am boiling with rage. :fiery: The website won't play videos on this ghetto notebook I have at home and I'm not sure if they'll work at my job either. Thankfully NBC is showing stuff this weekend but I was anticipating seeing a lot more. I am so livid.

m2k: I didn't expect McKayla to make floor finals and I'm surprised they're using her in TF considering she botched her 2nd pass and her third pass is a constant issue. I don't want another Mattie Larson moment. McKayla is a stunning gymnast though. :hearts:

shap_half
Oct 11th, 2011, 02:03 AM
One of my favorite floor exercises ever!

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delicatecutter
Oct 11th, 2011, 02:09 AM
I loooooove Katya!! My AOL/AIM SN is Katya is divine. :lol: I like her 99/00 routine more even though I can do without Hava Nagila.

I LIVE for this routine, which never got its due.

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I love how the powers that be are trying to kill artistic gymnastics. It started with them getting rid of compulsories. Then they brought in this bullshit CoP scoring system which really makes artistry not a part of the bigger picture. And now it's a deduction to lunge out of tumbling passes. What a joke!

shap_half
Oct 11th, 2011, 02:42 AM
Katya's career-ending injury in 2001 was so devastating. I was really quite prepared for her to start winning some titles!

This lunge deduction is a joke! That's all part of the drama of the tumbling pass! you lean back like a regal queen!

dybbuk
Oct 11th, 2011, 02:50 AM
and :yawn: @ Liukin and her comeback, less talking, more action.

:ras: Omg you bow before your queen. Nastia has been one of the saving graces of gymnastics in the past 6 years. Your Khorkina is a Nastia stan too. :angel:

delicatecutter
Oct 11th, 2011, 02:50 AM
Regal makes me think of Tourischeva and she hasn't competed in 35 years. :hysteric:

But yeah, lunging out of the passes (with control) is all about the artistry. Now that they're telling girls to stick passes at all costs I bet injuries are going to skyrocket even more. Then there's the idiotic leap/jump "bonus". :tears: I just can't with them trying to ruin my sport. But luckily there are still amazing gymnasts worth paying attention to. Mustafina and Komova in particular. Hopefully they go down in history as back-to-back World AA Champions!

dybbuk
Oct 11th, 2011, 02:51 AM
After my exams this week I want to watch some gymnastics. Does anyone know where you can watch full Olympic programs? Either team or individual. I watch the 2001 and 2004 videos sometimes on Youtube, they are complete there.

delicatecutter
Oct 11th, 2011, 02:54 AM
Katya's career-ending injury in 2001 was so devastating. I was really quite prepared for her to start winning some titles!

This lunge deduction is a joke! That's all part of the drama of the tumbling pass! you lean back like a regal queen!

Oh and Katya's injury wasn't career-ending. The truth was she never loved gymnastics that much. She was really good at it but she didn't have a passion for it. She was looking for an excuse to give it up.

dybbuk
Oct 11th, 2011, 03:00 AM
2000* not 2001 I mean.

And that doesn't help me. I'll look to see if the 96 Olympics are on Youtube, hopefully. The 1996 gymnastics finals were my first ever sporting event. And Dominique Moceanu was the first athlete I ever stanned for. I memorized her floor choreography and would perform it. .__.

delicatecutter
Oct 11th, 2011, 03:13 AM
:unsure: I was all about the Russians in 96 (of course). I'm still mad they couldn't hit. Roza Galieva was my hero.

dybbuk
Oct 11th, 2011, 03:17 AM
Leave me alone! When I was 6 years old this was the cutest and most amazing thing I had ever seen. She made me want to be a gymnast. I remember crying when I found out boys can't do the same gymnastics as girls could, so I could never do beam and dance to music on floor.

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I don't stan for Russian gymnasts in general. Khorkina and Mustafina are the only ones I can remember ever really loving. I'm more a Romanian supporter.

delicatecutter
Oct 11th, 2011, 03:20 AM
Leave me alone! When I was 6 years old this was the cutest and most amazing thing I had ever seen. She made me want to be a gymnast. I remember crying when I found out boys can't do the same gymnastics as girls could, so I could never do beam and dance to music on floor.

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I don't stan for Russian gymnasts in general. Khorkina and Mustafina are the only ones I can remember ever really loving. I'm more a Romanian supporter.

Your bad. :sobbing: The Romanian teams of the past 6 years are :unsure: Oh well.

dybbuk
Oct 11th, 2011, 03:27 AM
I know they suck. They'll be back. They had Porgras at least.

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delicatecutter
Oct 11th, 2011, 03:30 AM
They have Queen Cata back now. With Sandra getting injured and Ana being all over the place, thank God Cata came back.

shap_half
Oct 11th, 2011, 03:35 AM
After my exams this week I want to watch some gymnastics. Does anyone know where you can watch full Olympic programs? Either team or individual. I watch the 2001 and 2004 videos sometimes on Youtube, they are complete there.

You could not get me to watch the entire 2000 Olympics! The devastation from Russia's defeat was too much to bear. Ugh! I watch Sveta's bars win every now and again. It's still my favorite Olympic memory. She will remain my favorite athlete of all time.

PS: Dom M's little pounds on the floor in 2006 were like my favorite things ever.

shap_half
Oct 11th, 2011, 03:41 AM
I know they suck. They'll be back. They had Porgras at least.

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Obviously an amazing routine, but where's the style and the flow? That's what the new CoP is destroying on beam. Yes, the tricks are nice, but there's no balance.

Bow down:

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Dani12
Oct 11th, 2011, 06:57 AM
Apparently Lauren rolled both her ankles in traning last week, kind of explains her performance. Coach said she isn't at full health yet.

delicatecutter
Oct 11th, 2011, 12:00 PM
Great meet for Team USA. 12/12 and won by over 4 points!! McKayla stuck her vault and rocked floor!! So happy for her. :cheer:

Queen Vika not so queen-like today. Fell off beam and struggled on floor. :sad: She better get it together for AA finals!

Danči Dementia
Oct 11th, 2011, 12:56 PM
:ras: Omg you bow before your queen. Nastia has been one of the saving graces of gymnastics in the past 6 years. Your Khorkina is a Nastia stan too. :angel:
:angel:
is just that this is not the first time she says she┤s going back to concentrate on training, hence the less talking, more action.

and Khorkina is the only one I bow to:angel::hearts:

Danči Dementia
Oct 11th, 2011, 12:57 PM
Vika is not looking well:sad:

she looked in pain during floor, her health is more important than any possible medal she may get, if she┤s not OK don┤t put her in, please don┤t let her break:sad:

Maroney┤s vault and Afanasyeva┤s FX the highlight of the day.

Joana
Oct 11th, 2011, 01:14 PM
Sad for Romanians to miss out on a medal in the end, but you couldn't expect much more after such a horrendous first rotation. Good thing they fought a managed to climb up.

shap_half
Oct 11th, 2011, 02:45 PM
Wow sounds like Russia really struggled. Hopefully the girls will be much better for the individual finals.

Andiyan
Oct 11th, 2011, 04:33 PM
Another 4th for Romania :sad: Catalina could not pull the team to a medal :sad:

Lin Lin
Oct 12th, 2011, 11:57 PM
China:D

Shonami Slam
Oct 13th, 2011, 07:27 AM
Valeria Maksyuta was 10th in vault. Only 8 go to finals. The team didn't qualify.

thanks - still a great result from Val.
alex in the mens should do better tough.

Scola
Oct 13th, 2011, 11:40 AM
Vika lost AA finals in last floor routine, she was basically robbed, because Wieber did big mistake too. I believe no one in stadium could understand this even Wieber looked surprised. Poor Vika in tears and so am I now.:sobbing::sobbing:
Disgusting judges, seriously:help:

Danči Dementia
Oct 13th, 2011, 12:09 PM
Poor Vika:sad:

it broke my heart to see her crying like that :sad: (another Pavlova-like moment, absolutely heartbreaking:sad:)

I think the judges were too lenient on Weiber, she had an OBB and had a very messy bars routine with a huge mistake, steps on landings, wobbles and huge hop after the fucking Amanar.

its not like Komova was perfect, but I honestly think she deserved the gold, the crowd booed, commentators were surprised, even Weiber herself had a rather wtf? face.


FUCK YOU, FUCKING SHITTY SHADY MOTHERFUCKING JUDGES OF HELL.:fiery:

btw, Vika had a little bit of a Khorkina attitude, not nice face and took her medal off. oh hell I`m fucking LOVING it.:hearts:

I┤m so hoping Vika will get her revenge in London, afterall the curse is in Weiber┤s ass now, that┤s the only comfort I have.

Joana
Oct 13th, 2011, 12:32 PM
Normally I'd boo them evil Amurrrcans, but I don't like Komova either, so whatevs.

delicatecutter
Oct 13th, 2011, 12:35 PM
This result is heart-breaking. :bigcry: Poor Vika. :hug:

njnetswill
Oct 13th, 2011, 08:05 PM
Komova would have won easily if her vault wasn't so low in difficulty.

delicatecutter
Oct 13th, 2011, 08:32 PM
Well, it's not like she did a Yurchenko full. She would have won if she had made her connections on beam. :sad: And she should have won regardless.

If anyone wants to watch the AA, someone uploaded it on YT.

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Danči Dementia
Oct 13th, 2011, 09:24 PM
Komova scored on the 14s for her DTY, she has been scoring 15┤s throught the competition until today, and the vault was a very good vault.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DY4CldeOx7c&feature=feedu

whole competition in one video, in Romanian :hearts:


On finals Komova will show us what she is really made off, I┤m so begging she is one of those gymnasts that bounces back from painful defeats and is not a choker that will fall apart.

Go for the GOLD Vika!!

delicatecutter
Oct 13th, 2011, 10:02 PM
I hope Vika pulls a Silivas and wins bars, beam, and floor in EF!! :bounce:

Danči Dementia
Oct 13th, 2011, 10:15 PM
I don┤t think she can win floor but she┤s got a huge legit shot at winning bars and beam.

I┤m so hoping she will come out to KILL and with a "you stole my medal, you motherfuckers attitude" or something like that, I have the feeling she┤s the choking and going downhill type, I really hope she┤ll prove me wrong, how she deals with defeat and how she bounces back from it can be a very decisive factor going to London.

M2k
Oct 13th, 2011, 11:51 PM
lol... Fantastic for America! Team and AA Gold :cheer:

Jordyn Wieber is so mentally tough. It's almost scary to think that she'll probably get even better next year! She totally pours all of her energy on the FX :eek:

Komova is an emotional competitor it seems. In the group final she was plain emotional, borderline rude to the Americans, and then she totally lost it on the AA. Right after she finished her beam routine she had this look in her face like "Fuck! I just lost it right there." :lol:

*Nefertiti*
Oct 14th, 2011, 03:28 AM
I am so mad. Judges should be ashamed of themselves. It's ridiculous how you can almost fall on bars, wobble and score 2 points less than a near perfect bar routine. Do a perfect vault a DTY and score less than a 2.5 Y with a huge hop by a whole point. It is disgusting and unfair. I hope judges enjoyed booing from the crowd because they are losers who didn't award real gymnastics. Disgusting.

*Nefertiti*
Oct 14th, 2011, 03:33 AM
Komova would have won easily if her vault wasn't so low in difficulty.

A DTY is not so low!!! :help:

Danči Dementia
Oct 14th, 2011, 06:23 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsQ7HQR_IJ8

That video says it all: , people booing, silent crowd, very few claps, gymnasts not congratulating Wieber, shocked commentators (and not only the BBC commentators)

Danči Dementia
Oct 14th, 2011, 06:36 AM
Vera Kolesnikova opened her mouth and was quoted saying:

"The judges have already decided: if Vika doesn't fall or make any major mistakes, they'll give her the event (as they say in the lobby). We're counting on bars. As for a medal on beam, she just needs to do everything cleanly. She almost has no chance on floor."

:facepalm: :/

*Nefertiti*
Oct 14th, 2011, 07:20 AM
Vera Kolesnikova opened her mouth and was quoted saying:



:facepalm: :/

She can say whatever she wants to say. Komova was robbed and everyone knows. Now Americans want her to lose EFs too by focusing on the aftermath of this horrible judging. Komova was robbed.

njnetswill
Oct 15th, 2011, 12:38 AM
She can say whatever she wants to say. Komova was robbed and everyone knows. Now Americans want her to lose EFs too by focusing on the aftermath of this horrible judging. Komova was robbed.

What? Americans are focusing on Wieber's surprise win, not on Komova being robbed.

Gianni777
Oct 15th, 2011, 08:57 PM
Truly shocking. Komova had every right to be hurt and disgusted by the action of the judges.

Gianni777
Oct 15th, 2011, 09:24 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsQ7HQR_IJ8

That video says it all: , people booing, silent crowd, very few claps, gymnasts not congratulating Wieber, shocked commentators (and not only the BBC commentators)
Yep, almost none of the other gymnasts congratulated her, just her teammate and the Chinese.

This was especially highlighted by those 2 Brazilian gymnasts who ignored Wieber, and stopped Komova to have her pose for a photo with them at 6 min 55 sec. They knew who the real winner was.

Ellery
Oct 16th, 2011, 12:49 PM
Great world Championships :cheer:

Can't wait for London :)

Joana
Oct 16th, 2011, 01:39 PM
Romanians go home without a single medal :help:

delicatecutter
Oct 16th, 2011, 01:45 PM
Afanasyeva's World title-winning FX was breathtaking!! :inlove:

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What a way to end Worlds! I have no qualms with anything other than the AA.

Lin Lin
Oct 17th, 2011, 03:53 AM
China:D

dybbuk
Oct 17th, 2011, 04:27 AM
^^ Am I the only one who didn't like it? It was clean and well performed, her movement just seems kind of... heavy to me. The closest comparison I can think of is Rachel Flatt in figure skating, there's just a heaviness to them.

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How good was this. :inlove: I don't love the music, but the tumbling is breathtaking.

the jamierbelyea
Oct 17th, 2011, 04:30 AM
How nice to see a gymnast from Vietnam gaining a bronze on the vault final! Plus she snagged herself a spot for the Olympics, so what a great week for her!

Really fell in love with Sui Lu's gymnastics, and Jinnan Yao's attitude. Yao's FX reminded me of Jiang Yuyuan's playfulness from Beijing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6aHELPgdUdg

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Jade Barbosa is gorgeous!

shap_half
Oct 17th, 2011, 04:44 AM
One of my favorite reactions to winning:

http://youtu.be/0ydd73JYXW0

Libertango
Oct 17th, 2011, 07:47 AM
I've only just seen this thread and I LOVE gymnastics!

Worlds was great. My thoughts:

- I prefer Komova, and think she should have won, but I don't have too much of a problem with Wieber winning.

- ... however I do think the Americans were very generously scored throughout.

- Sui Lu and Yao Jinnan were my favourites from worlds; Sui's BB was GORGEOUS and I like YJN's BB and FX. She's also very cute, and I get the Jiang Yuyuan comparison.

- I like Afanaseva, but think Sui Lu should have won floor.

- I am loving Russian gymnastics again; I wasn't such a fan in Athens/Beijing, but now with Komova, Mustafina, Grishina, Afan and Nabieva, they could have an amazing team next year.

- Chuso is a total LEGEND! :worship:

- It was great to see a Vietnamese medal on vault, and wow that girl is pretty!

- The Romanians were a disaster

- I love Philipp Boy (see avatar!) and am thrilled he came 2nd.

- Kohei Uchimura is unbelievable and I hope he wins in London.

roots
Oct 17th, 2011, 06:26 PM
^^ Am I the only one who didn't like it? It was clean and well performed, her movement just seems kind of... heavy to me. The closest comparison I can think of is Rachel Flatt in figure skating, there's just a heaviness to them.

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How good was this. :inlove: I don't love the music, but the tumbling is breathtaking.

Last perfect "10" awarded at the Olympics! Rightly deserved! Milosovici was always a favorite of mine. Her, Shannon Miller and Henrietta Onodi were my favourites in the early 90s of women's gymnastics!

Libertango
Oct 17th, 2011, 08:07 PM
^Onodi was amazing. I liked Boginskaya and Lyssenko, too.

*Nefertiti*
Oct 18th, 2011, 12:10 PM
thanks - still a great result from Val.
alex in the mens should do better tough.

Shalitov is going to Olympics :yeah:

Joana
Oct 18th, 2011, 01:27 PM
^^ Am I the only one who didn't like it? It was clean and well performed, her movement just seems kind of... heavy to me. The closest comparison I can think of is Rachel Flatt in figure skating, there's just a heaviness to them.

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How good was this. :inlove: I don't love the music, but the tumbling is breathtaking.

Romanians used to own the floor :worship: That's one of my favourite routines as well, alongside these two:

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That little fistpump in the end just kills me knowing what happened afterwards. :sad:

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Absolutely spectacular tumbling, even though it finished second behind Podkopayeva's artistic yawnfest.

delicatecutter
Oct 18th, 2011, 03:12 PM
My favorite Romanian gymnast. :hearts:

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Also loved Voinea's kick-ass break-dancing routine!

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shap_half
Oct 18th, 2011, 05:43 PM
Gymnastics friends: Who is the 2000 Olympic Women's All Around Champion?

delicatecutter
Oct 18th, 2011, 05:45 PM
Simona Amanar by default :sobbing:

Libertango
Oct 18th, 2011, 07:10 PM
The record books say Simona Amanar.

Joana
Oct 18th, 2011, 07:20 PM
She doesn't even consider herself the champion.

There's absolutely no rationale for denying Andreea Raducan the title she rightfully won and it's a total disgrace that the IOC still refuses to acknowledge it.

delicatecutter
Oct 18th, 2011, 07:26 PM
But Raducan didn't even rightfully win the competition due to the vault being set at the wrong height.

LindsayRulz
Oct 18th, 2011, 07:29 PM
If it wasn't for that vault being set wrong we wouldn't be talking about that Raducan-Amanar gold medal controversy. :p

Joana
Oct 18th, 2011, 07:32 PM
Raducan jumped over the same vault.

And if Princess hadn't been too boo-hoo-woe-is-me over the vault, she would have kept her focus and not fallen down on the uneven bars, and hence have the chance to redo the vault and still win.
But Princess fell off the uneven bars in team finals too, so hm...

LindsayRulz
Oct 18th, 2011, 07:51 PM
Raducan jumped over the same vault.

And if Princess hadn't been too boo-hoo-woe-is-me over the vault, she would have kept her focus and not fallen down on the uneven bars, and hence have the chance to redo the vault and still win.
But Princess fell off the uneven bars in team finals too, so hm...

IMO she was clearly affected by her vault fall during her bars routine. She didn't seem to care in neither of her bars or beam routine. If she had known that she could redo the vault before her bars routine she might not have missed that Tkatchev. IIRC the judges told her she could redo her vault at the very end of the AA event. But yeah like you said she also fell in the team finals and messed up in the bars too at the 96 Olympics AA.

Zamolodchikova and Karpenko also had bad falls at the wrong time. What a mess that AA was. :lol:

Joana
Oct 18th, 2011, 08:04 PM
Karpenko's fall was pure choke. She tripped over her foot :tape:
But she needed a near perfect 10 in order to win anyway and it was highly unlikely to happen.

It's crazy how deep the talent pool was back then. There were 6-7 gymnasts who all had a legit shot at winning. It really was the last noteworthy Olympic AA final - 2004 was so bad that the shadow of Khorkina almost won and 2008 was a two-way race from start to finish.

Libertango
Oct 18th, 2011, 08:05 PM
I wish Karpenko won in Sydney. Not Sveta, not Raducan, not Amanar. Karpenko.

Sigh. 2000 was AWFUL, save for Liu Xuan winning beam.

Ellery
Oct 18th, 2011, 08:06 PM
Karpenko's fall was pure choke. She tripped over her foot :tape:
But she needed a near perfect 10 in order to win anyway and it was highly unlikely to happen.

It's crazy how deep the talent pool was back then. There were 6-7 gymnasts who all had a legit shot at winning. It really was the last noteworthy Olympic AA final - 2004 was so bad that the shadow of Khorkina almost won and 2008 was a two-way race from start to finish.

I think the 2012 AA could be quite competitive :shrug:

Libertango
Oct 18th, 2011, 08:41 PM
^Could well be. We could have any of Wieber, Komova, Mustafina, Grishina, Bross, Johnson, Jinnan, Ross, Raisman etc going for AA. Obviously only two per country, but still. Could be interesting (for the first time in ages)

delicatecutter
Oct 18th, 2011, 08:45 PM
I heard Queen Cata is training bars so she could be an AA threat also.

Joana
Oct 18th, 2011, 08:47 PM
They'll all be injured or have a meltdown, and Wieber and a random other American will fight for it.

Joana
Oct 18th, 2011, 08:52 PM
I heard Queen Cata is training bars so she could be an AA threat also.

What? Really?
I mean, she's not completely useless on bars and pre-2000 she's probably be an AA-er, but I doubt she can make a real breakthrough at this point.

It's ridiculous how much the Romanians have struggled on bars for more than a decade, Nistor notwithstanding. You'd think they'd do something about it, but nothing ever happens.

Libertango
Oct 18th, 2011, 08:59 PM
I hear both Ponor AND Iszbasa are training UBs.

delicatecutter
Oct 19th, 2011, 02:33 AM
Gymnastics is on life support at this point. Komova is resting on pretty, but her bodyline is impeccable which helps a lot. She also knows how to move, at least. Afanasyeva's routine was very artistic but even it pales in comparison to the Soviets of old.

Here is a B-level Soviet in 1990. (I know I already posted this routine, but I love it so much and this is Saz at her absoulute best!)

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This routine as performed would have won a World title. Ironically Saz made beam finals in 89 with a sadly simple routine.

shap_half
Oct 19th, 2011, 03:57 AM
Raducan jumped over the same vault.

And if Princess hadn't been too boo-hoo-woe-is-me over the vault, she would have kept her focus and not fallen down on the uneven bars, and hence have the chance to redo the vault and still win.
But Princess fell off the uneven bars in team finals too, so hm...

We would never know what would have happened if the vault was set on the right height. If you remember, Sveta hit both her vaults (stuck cold) in the team finals, too. When you consider the vault fiasco and the Raducan situation, I don't think most gymnastics follower even recognize that specific competition or its winner.

the jamierbelyea
Oct 19th, 2011, 09:27 AM
The Komova situation harkens me back to the 1997 Worlds where one of the biggest disputes in World Championship History judging happened during the Balance Beam Event Finals.

Kui Yuanyuan had one of the hardest beam routines ever, and only managed the bronze due to a tiebreaker rule which put her behind Khorkina.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hN8PnQCdtM8

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Gina Gogean won gold

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrojbuX8k-E
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Kui Yuanyuan is probably the best beam artist in history to never win gold at a worlds or olympics.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fqaBH0cnDU
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For good measure I'll throw a vid of Yuanyuan's Floor routine.

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dybbuk
Oct 19th, 2011, 06:59 PM
Last perfect "10" awarded at the Olympics! Rightly deserved! Milosovici was always a favorite of mine. Her, Shannon Miller and Henrietta Onodi were my favourites in the early 90s of women's gymnastics!

My favourite early 90s gymnast was Boginskaya. :worship: I would take a perfectly performed Boginskaya routine over just about any gymnast I can think of. If she just had a bit more of the technical side she would have been even more decorated than she already was. Milosovici and Onodi were great too. Onodi was so unique in her own way.

shap_half
Oct 19th, 2011, 07:53 PM
Gogean was severely overscored in those worlds. Kui should have won beam, Khorkina, floor.

delicatecutter
Oct 19th, 2011, 08:40 PM
Kui would have (and should have) won under today's COP. I think she made too many mistakes in that beam final to win gold. Gogean was always overscored on beam after she stopped doing a tumbling series. I would have given beam gold to Khorkina.

Technically Gogean and Khorkina did tie for first in floor finals. Gogean only won on a tie-breaker. I have no problem with them receiving the same score. Khorkina's tumbling was much easier and she didn't do any double saltos. It's a beautiful floor routine though. :hearts:

shap_half
Oct 20th, 2011, 01:06 AM
You mean this masterpiece?

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I understand that it's not as explosive tumbling wise, but she was just stunning. I love that whip+double twist+full-twisting Shushunova combination. And have you seen a more graceful triple twist? It's just so elegant. Gogean did tumble her face off though. One of the highest double pikes I have ever seen on floor. She was practically straight up when she landed.

delicatecutter
Oct 20th, 2011, 01:23 AM
Yes, I love all of Khorkina's FXs even the Pulp Fiction one. Her 97 one was definitely one of her best though! I love the whip + double full + full-twisting Shushunova combination as well but it's not that hard. And mounting with a RO + ff + triple full is not impressive, regardless of how graceful it is. And I loved Gogean on floor as well. She could tumble her butt off but she also had good presentation. So I think it's fair that they tied.

delicatecutter
Oct 20th, 2011, 04:11 PM
A couple of nights ago I found a routine I had never seen before!

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Semyonova is so lovely. :hearts: I love the choreography in this routine! It's delightful. I live for the double turn in attitude. I just tried to do it and it's incredibly hard. :hysteric:

shap_half
Oct 20th, 2011, 07:38 PM
Yes, I love all of Khorkina's FXs even the Pulp Fiction one. Her 97 one was definitely one of her best though! I love the whip + double full + full-twisting Shushunova combination as well but it's not that hard. And mounting with a RO + ff + triple full is not impressive, regardless of how graceful it is. And I loved Gogean on floor as well. She could tumble her butt off but she also had good presentation. So I think it's fair that they tied.

Gogean had no passion in that performance though. She looked like she was administering a pap smear.

dybbuk
Oct 20th, 2011, 10:50 PM
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Am I the only Boginskaya fan here? :tears: I seriously love all her floor routines. I wish I was born early enough to stan for her when she was active.

shap_half
Oct 20th, 2011, 11:07 PM
I LOOOOOVE Bogi's Spanish Guitar floor exercise -- easily the sexiest floor exercise of all time!

delicatecutter
Oct 20th, 2011, 11:12 PM
I love Boguinskaia also. She was the one who got me into gymnastics with this amaze routine! I vividly remember the expression on her face on her ending pose was like nothing I had ever seen before! :hearts:

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Her 88 routine to Carmen that you posted used to be my favorite, but I don't even know anymore. I love every routine she had from 88-92. Also love the routine she used to win her 89 World title. I tried to teach myself the choreography. :lol:

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She was such a clean gymnast, but I mostly think of her for her floor work. I did love it when she hit bars at 96 Euros though!

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shap_half
Oct 20th, 2011, 11:34 PM
She is such a legend: won EVERY individual event in the '90s Euros, came back in 1996 to place second AA at the Euros and countless other individual medals, I really think she would have been able to dominate further if the USSR didn't fall apart, but really one of my favorites of all time.

dybbuk
Oct 20th, 2011, 11:57 PM
I love her floor most of all too, but I love her vaulting as well. Vaulting is my least favorite apparatus and is mostly something I view as necessary rather than something I enjoy. But she was actually a beautiful vaulter and I loved watching her do it. :inlove: She had such amazing form on it.

I always felt she was in the wrong era tbh. Having all the 80 pound pixies around her doing their huge tumbling passes, she often just looked so simple and basic in comparison. How were judges going to give her a Gold medal next to a Gutsu or Milosovici when they hit their routines, even if she was more classic and beautiful to watch.

shap_half
Oct 21st, 2011, 12:32 AM
The bigger problem is as the code changed, the general public (those who may not follow the sport but would watch major tournaments) are conditioned to think that big tumbling is what beautiful gymnastics is all about. Well-rounded gymnasts really need to manipulate the code to win -- like Khorkina and Liukin did. (Though I have to say if the code Liukin competed under was scored under a 10.0, I don't think she would have been able to overcome that other American.) Others like Pavlova and Boginskaya never got the hang of it and suffered.

delicatecutter
Oct 21st, 2011, 01:00 AM
The crowds are smarter than you give them credit for. They booed in Tokyo when the artistic gymnast, Komova, lost the AA to Wieber. And I love that gymnasts like Komova and Mustafina (and back in the day Lysenko) are artistic but they can still do difficult skills. They are truly well-rounded.

shap_half
Oct 21st, 2011, 05:21 AM
Well, maybe it's my Russian bias, but it was so obvious that Komova should have won that, because there really was nowhere that Wieber had her beat.

But if you showed a beautiful performance from Pavlova and put it against Patterson's tumble-fest, and they both performed clean routines, I would bet you that 8 out of 10 casual, Olympic viewers would award the win to Patterson. I'm not saying that she wouldn't deserve it, but the direction the sport is headed shows that all the importance is placed on tricks. That it's great to have dance and expression but those things are worthless without tricks. But the reverse isn't true at all.

delicatecutter
Oct 21st, 2011, 11:59 AM
Pavlova tumbles just as well as Patterson, if not better.

shap_half
Oct 21st, 2011, 01:25 PM
Pavlova tumbles just as well as Patterson, if not better.

Maybe Pavs is a bad example as she really is an excellent gymnasts whose problem extend beyond tumbling. But even in 2004, Pavs' tricks didn't match up anywhere near as well as Carly's, judging wise. The only event where Pavs could potentially score higher is on vault. She never outscored Carly on floor or beam. And even on bars where fluidity is most required, Carly was outscoring Pavs. Pavs is obviously the "more beautiful" gymnasts performing "prettier" gymnastics, Carly didn't have an ounce of that in her body. And the judges had the nerve to further punish Pavs by stealing that bronze medal from her and giving it to one of the most ghastly gymnasts EVER.

Please compare these three's beam routines from that competition.

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delicatecutter
Oct 21st, 2011, 08:03 PM
I like Carly's beam. She was very light on her feet and made every skill look effortless. She wasn't an artistic gymnast but what she did she did well. And her dismount was unique, innovative, and difficult. Plus she stuck it cold.

I love Anna on beam but there are several obvious flaws in her routine. Her Rulfova and triple full are both slightly cheated and she has her legs crossed on the dismount. She scored a 9.650, which I think is fair considering Carly got a 9.725 for an impeccable routine where nothing was cheated. And she only had a 9.7 SV on bars which really put her at a disadvantage.

Zhang Nan's score is too high, no doubt about it. She was definitely overscored on beam and floor and I wouldn't be surprised if politics were at play to secure her the bronze medal.

I would have had Patterson first, Pavlova second, Khorkina third.

swim4life227
Oct 21st, 2011, 10:07 PM
Wow, when they did a close up of Carly's face I thought she looked just like Shawn Johnson. After Carly retired, she was on some FOX singing show and she had gained much weight.

That's one thing I hate about Gymnastics. Their shelf life is like one Olympics and the top people always retire after they win the Gold.