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ajmo!
Apr 27th, 2011, 11:53 AM
5 DF's in a game :mad: :crying2: :mad: :crying2: :mad: :crying2:

ajmo!
Apr 27th, 2011, 12:00 PM
And 2 wasted BP's in last game :crying2: :crying2: :crying2: :crying2: :crying2: :crying2: :crying2: :crying2: :crying2: :crying2: :crying2: :crying2: :crying2:

kfh_9118
Apr 27th, 2011, 12:00 PM
lost 6-1 6-2

not unexpected though.
guess Makarova was really sick yesterday and gifted Miki valuable ranking points :angel:

ajmo!
Apr 27th, 2011, 12:02 PM
Whatever. I mean she could have made it close at least. If she won last 2 games it would have been 4-4 and not 2-6. And she wasn't that far, she had 3 game points(in a game with 5 DF's) and 2 BP's. But nothing. I mean, again, such a dreadful score. I'm really pissed, sad and everything.. AAAAAAAA

croat123
Apr 27th, 2011, 12:57 PM
she's just a really bad player :sad:

mikireturns
Apr 27th, 2011, 01:06 PM
Polona is really tough on clay, hits deep and serves well, but look at the numbers: Miki played (unfortunately) like total shit. This was not the same Mirjana who took the court yesterday. 9 dfs??!! HORRIBLE numbers on her return game? I mean, that's like a scene out of Safina's darkest, sweatiest bipolar nightmare. Mirjana didn't even last an hour out there against Hercog. She was clearly rushing and playing "stupidly." Hercog likely didn't need to do a helluva lot ... free points for the asking.

So, she found her form yesterday and totally wobbled today. Too bad she couldn't gain traction and momentum, but the Makarova win will stay in the back of her mind and she can build on it elsewhere. And I wouldn't put too much stock in the old Makarova "I was desperately ill all night last night" crap. These women's tennis players are the most neurotic creatures in the world of sport -- nuttier than opera singers. They have fainting spells if someone looks at them the wrong way and unsettlingly often they create conditional "illnesses" before every match, after every match, and during matches. If Makarova showed up to play (and she did) and she's playing doubles today (and she is) then I'd say her grave and mysterious illness was/is typical WTA headcase displacement activity.

Mirjana needs to slow down and BREATHE out there. This is where a travelling coach would be most useful to a player like her. Or a notecard telling herself to loosen up and take a few games to simply rally and find a rhythm (she typically carries little notes with herself and uses them courtside, in a little book. Read your little book Mirjana. She could have spent the entire wasted first set (and most of the second) doing that. I'm sure her sister is lovely and informed, but she is no coach. Certainly no middle-of-the-match coach. What will she say to Miki?

"Miki, too many double faults. Stop serving double faults. Also, lift your leg up in the air like you do when you do that thing you do. You know?"

Doesn't cut it.

Bizarre and totally "Lucician" loss, but she hit a big milestone yesterday, she got her teeth into a WTA draw, finally, beating a big seed. This is a start. Let's see how she does in the doubles.

9 FREAKING DOUBLE FAULTS???????

ajmo!
Apr 27th, 2011, 01:27 PM
I think she travels with a coach now, don't know if her sister is still with her.

mikireturns
Apr 27th, 2011, 01:45 PM
If she's with a coach, then that's good news, at least. My take was that she's getting lots of moral support from the new academy where she trains, but is otherwise on her own.

Don't get too down, everyone. This was a rather scatter-brained effort from Mirjana, today, but in all these matches she really lives and dies by her own sword. She is not a reactionary player. She hits the winners and stays on key ... or gives away buckets of free points. Yesterday she found the world-class form that has been eluding her. No one, since discussions about Mirjana began to take place in these forums, could say until yesterday "She beat a Top 40 WTA player."

That's pretty darn cool and I do not believe for a minute that Makarova was ill (or ill enough to affect the outcome of yesterday's match). Look at the numbers from yesterday's match: Mirjana was dictating and on song. Today she was anywhere but in her own Control Room. The numbers don't lie. Congrats to Polona, though, who served nearly 80%.

Miki has a big win under her belt now and she's not going to go away. She knows what she can do. And I expect her to get into the thick of things and I expect more upsets in her future this year because she proved yesterday she can do it.

She just needs to stay ultra-focused out there, like she obviously was yesterday.

croat123
Apr 27th, 2011, 03:00 PM
6-1 in doubles :) keep going!

ajmo!
Apr 27th, 2011, 03:03 PM
Yeah, at least doubles are looking good.

mikireturns
Apr 27th, 2011, 03:04 PM
Very nice! This will give her more confidence and more practice on that serve and her general competitive dynamic.

I think she just rushed for too much today and, let's face it, had some looks at tying the score in set 2, but was perhaps too nerved up and scattered.

Go Miki in this dubs match. Get a win.

ajmo!
Apr 27th, 2011, 03:07 PM
It will be interesting to see what will she do if she stays longer here in doubles. To stay and play or to go to Madrid. But that's still far away.

ajmo!
Apr 27th, 2011, 03:07 PM
Ace Lucic, service game to love. Crazy. :lol:

croat123
Apr 27th, 2011, 03:09 PM
she was so good in doubles with tomic. i wonder if she just focuses more because she doesn't want to let down her partner

mikireturns
Apr 27th, 2011, 03:14 PM
I also think it is crucial that, by participating in both singles and doubles matches (and getting wins in draws of both events!) that Mirjana will begin to feel as if she really is part of the flow of the regular WTA Tour again ... that she is "back in the life" of main draw competition.

For my part, I would like the FULL story on why and HOW her game went from gritty and ambitious at the end of 2010 to such an abrupt flatline in 2011. She won over 50 matches last year. She knows how to close points, games, and sets under pressure. There's a story there, and it isn't just a case of 'flu and giddiness about being engaged.

Anyhow, it's more important to focus on the big-ass win she pulled out the hat yesterday. Key key key win.

On serve in the 2nd set of dubs.

mikireturns
Apr 27th, 2011, 03:20 PM
she was so good in doubles with tomic. i wonder if she just focuses more because she doesn't want to let down her partner

Only an opinion, but from watching her interaction numerous times in person, I do think that she thrives on having a team of supporters around her, an interested party to share some of her very barely contained emotional energy, and she can feed off of good energy. A doubles partner represents a team dynamic.

Plus, she has tons of extra court to hit into with her big crazy shots;)

mikireturns
Apr 27th, 2011, 03:24 PM
Doh! 5-2 up and serving for it in the dubs.

mikireturns
Apr 27th, 2011, 03:33 PM
And a doubles win. Nice start for this team! Do we think they could sneak into the French?

By the way, stats speaking, Mirjana could probably make a lot of money for the next six, seven years as a regular doubles player. She's got a game made for it.

I daresay she is seeking to get her iron in that fire.

ajmo!
Apr 27th, 2011, 03:42 PM
Seeing on Mirjana's facebook fan page how Liezel Huber supports her comeback I always hope to see their names together in a doubles draw. Yes, Mirjana is great doubles player. I'm sure she would rule the tour with a good partner.

ajmo!
Apr 27th, 2011, 04:04 PM
Next Grandin/Ulihrahova. I believe Mirjana and Cabeza Candela have nice chance for semis.

ajmo!
Apr 27th, 2011, 04:17 PM
Madrid Q start earlier and I don't think Mirjana's gonna be able to play because she's gonna have to play doubles in Barcelona tomorrow.
She shouldn't have withdrawn from that challenger in France. :(

croat123
Apr 27th, 2011, 04:21 PM
^^yeah, i agree. oh well, if she can just do well in doubles, it'll make up for it :)

ajmo!
Apr 27th, 2011, 04:26 PM
She could use some points from Madrid because Wimbledon list is coming out in two weeks but I guess she'll be in anyway.

mikireturns
Apr 27th, 2011, 05:56 PM
She could use some points from Madrid because Wimbledon list is coming out in two weeks but I guess she'll be in anyway.

Strategically it might make more sense for her to really give it a good shot here in the doubles and show the other girls on tour that she is a potentially successful ($$$) doubles partner who is up-for-grabs. In the long-term, for making more money to fund her singles "dream", that might be wiser.

That being said, she is likely very eager to get out there and start showing off the kind of form she found against Makarova again. But, she still has Rome and Paris no matter what. Hopefully she will not lose too many points in the next two weeks and make it safely into the Wimbledon MD.

I have a feeling you will see her in Madrid, but she can't just tank the doubles here to do it. They will have to get beaten, fair and square.

ajmo!
Apr 27th, 2011, 06:02 PM
2nd on COURT 2 tomorrow. Cabeza plays singles on C1, first match.
I don't expect them to play before 3.30pm.

croat123
Apr 28th, 2011, 12:42 AM
she has to push on in doubles this week regardless of what it does to her singles ranking. she needs matches and confidence. given her singles results, i wouldn't expect much in the madrid qualifying draw

ma re
Apr 28th, 2011, 07:58 AM
Great to see such a straightforward win in doubles after that :weirdo: performance in singles, and I'd really love to see her going far in doubles here. It won't be easy though, cause Grandin is a top50 doubles player and by far the best ranked (when takling doubles ranking) of all those four who'll go out on court today. It's important to mention also, that Cabeza Candela isn't some doubles specialist or anything like that (career-high doubles ranking of #193), so it's not like Miki will get some great result here only because her partner is great.

I sure hope Wimbledon organisers take notice and consider a doubles wild-card (if she makes some more wins in the following weeks), cause she won't be able to play doubles of slams based on ranking that soon. I wouldn't count on a WC for RG cause they usually only give them to French players (last year only one player of all those forming 7 wild-carded teams was not French). But, if she really commits to doubles, she should have no problems entering US Open based on ranking.

mikireturns
Apr 28th, 2011, 07:58 AM
she has to push on in doubles this week regardless of what it does to her singles ranking. she needs matches and confidence. given her singles results, i wouldn't expect much in the madrid qualifying draw

I agree, mostly. She needs confidence and winning provides that in doubles, too. 'Big Picture' stuff.

But as for expectations in Madrid, I don't think any of us can say, one way or the other, now, because I sure know that not one of us here "expected" her to beat the Top 40, No. 4 seed MakarovaShe in straights. But she did.

And it was not just a fluke ... the stats & numbers show that Mirjana was playing great. She was ahead and didn't blow every lead, she was down and roared back, she served like a normal person, she WON.

So, I do agree that she needs to take this doubles opportunity as far as it can go, even at the cost of Madrid, because this first doubles "gig" is like an advertisement for her on tour ... it could be crucial in a number of ways for her career in the next two years, if she plays that long. Let's see how she does tomorrow with the lovely Estrella Cambeza Candela.

At least we all have some very cool things to be happy about this week, as her fans. Right?

Ballbasher
Apr 28th, 2011, 02:13 PM
Mirjana could still play Madrid Q, unless she reaches the final in Doubles, because they can schedule 2 matches in one day on Saturday. ;) I wish them all the best for today. :)

ma re
Apr 28th, 2011, 02:19 PM
Holy mother of God, 3 DF's by Miki at the very beginning:confused: That's...impressive:eek: No really, few people could do that:spit:

ajmo!
Apr 28th, 2011, 02:36 PM
1-6 :(

ma re
Apr 28th, 2011, 02:39 PM
^^ And total points won are 27:9:help:

ajmo!
Apr 28th, 2011, 02:45 PM
They both probably suck.
Cabeza lost earlier, she's not a doubles player...
And Mirjana.. oh, Mirjana..
I don't get this.

ajmo!
Apr 28th, 2011, 03:03 PM
I have to say that for the first time in her career she herself probably doesn't know where's the problem. Because earlier she had problems with father, she was gaining weight etc. When she had that crisis with results you could say ''she's not fit, she has family problems..''
In 2009 or 2008 we could say that she hasn't played in a long time, ''she needs matches..''

But TODAY- Mirjana is fit, Mirjana has earned ranking, Mirjana has played hundreds of matches in last few years, Mirjana is happy and has a good life. Where is the problem now? Can she find a solution?
It feels like she's walking blind again.

This is her sport, this is what she's talented for.
I don't want to face a fact that she's a bad player. I don't want to expect bad loss every time she plays.

Find a solution, Miki!

You are so much better than this! Make it happen!

SERVivor
Apr 28th, 2011, 03:11 PM
I wouldn't put too much stock in today's doubles result. I would think both Miki and her doubles partner are playing Madrid qualifying tomorrow.

ajmo!
Apr 28th, 2011, 03:17 PM
If they were tanking, I don't think they would make it look that bad. They were training today, after all. They could have tanked in super tb.

SERVivor
Apr 28th, 2011, 03:24 PM
good point. They may have tried hard.

mikireturns
Apr 28th, 2011, 04:02 PM
I have to say that for the first time in her career she herself probably doesn't know where's the problem. Because earlier she had problems with father, she was gaining weight etc. When she had that crisis with results you could say ''she's not fit, she has family problems..''
In 2009 or 2008 we could say that she hasn't played in a long time, ''she needs matches..''

But TODAY- Mirjana is fit, Mirjana has earned ranking, Mirjana has played hundreds of matches in last few years, Mirjana is happy and has a good life. Where is the problem now? Can she find a solution?
It feels like she's walking blind again.

This is her sport, this is what she's talented for.
I don't want to face a fact that she's a bad player. I don't want to expect bad loss every time she plays.

Find a solution, Miki!

You are so much better than this! Make it happen!

She's not a bad player. I have mentioned this before, but it may bear repeating: Mirjana strikes me as a player with SUCH a big game and such a world-class talent that she is lost without a top-level coach and constant support system to help her figure out what to do with that game.

On the women's side, especially, it is a total head-trip, because not only are these girls completely mental, but now part of having "big confidence" means having a travelling coach of some sort. The girls parade their coaches around the tour like big forehands: "My coach is bigger than yours, and by the way, you don't even HAVE one." Remember, so many players from various countries have access to their national association coahces and training facilities, etc. Mirjana is not in the good graces on that count, nor does she have a management firm that can provide her with proper coaching. She has to pay these tennis academies (United, and now Armando) out of her own pocket. That's just to train at their facilities and get advice as they can provide it.

I'm telling you, the girl has so much talent she does not know what to do with it half the time, and she is under-coached. Criminally under-coached. Jeff Russell was travelling with her throughout her entire leap into the Top 100 last year and he made a massive difference in her entire focus. For 2011, she ideally needed a new travelling coach to bring her to the next level of WTA competition, but this is just very expensive when you're on your own, my friends.

There are things in her game that she constantly (coaching-wise) needs to be reminded to do. I watched Russell numerous times tell her to slow it down, calm herself down, move laterally with more anticipation to her forehand side, step in, step back, start serving down the middle. You name it. It's lonely out there for these professionals if they are on their own. That's why Mirjana went in circles and could not get out of the Challenger mudpit for two years. With money and the proper coach, given her lovely fitness and innate talent, she could have been in the Top 100 within six months of returning in 2007.

This has been a rough journey for her. It's frustrating for us, who know deep down she has so much talent and power, and wonder what the hell she is doing sometimes.

But, I'll repeat: a talent of her caliber and her emotional make-up needs a strong and gifted and perceptive coach. There is no crime in a modern player needing that, especially these flaky women (not to be sexist -- the men are flaky in their own way, too. No doubt about it).

I can tell you right now what I would say to Mirjana as a permanent coach:

"Girlfriend, you need to change some things, because you have been using the same old tactics and it is high time that you accepted the fact that they ARE NOT WORKING FOR YOU.

They are not working for you regularly and dependably, throughout your career. Good times and bad.

If you modify just these few things, you will win more matches.

First, you need to totally lose the hitch in your serve, both first and second deliveries. It can be done with a very minor adjustment of your toss and shoulder rotation. Nothing major. You will still serve around the same big speed, but get more first serves in.

Second, you need to develop a reliable and sneaky second-serve out wide -- one with a lot of kick, another with spin. Double faults will melt away.

Third, you need to get over yourself when it comes to service returns. This nonsense about just ripping every ball the same exact way on every return is NOT WORKING FOR YOU. You need to go for solid technique and placement and timing on the return rather than outright force unless you have a clear shot down the alley and you know in your gut you are right on top of it. Unless that happens, you have got to tone it down and get more returns in play, so that you have a chance to engage in points instead of throwing them away. Better, more dynamic footwork will help on those returns, which leads me to my next point ...

Fourth, you need to recover a lot more quickly after serves and service returns, girl. You need to MOVE YOUR FEET in those first crucial few seconds. You are missing that key window to get immediately ready to start taking control because your reaction-time is off. You're not moving your feet fast enough at that particular juncture. You're usually fine when you are in a rally and moving laterally (and even that can be improved), but you need to be more explosively quick in your recovery after serving and after returning serve. (HUGE -- Miki is way off on this aspect and it is costing her constantly!).

Fifth, you are in great shape, but we are going to start doing some speed/agility drills to make you more explosive and effective in your footwork and overall lateral movement.

All fixable for Mirjana. She has put in the hard fitness work, she just needs fine-tuning, a few key CHANGES, lots of encouragement from someone she trusts, and the rest will come together because of her talent and confidence. Great technique on her strokes. Lovely net game. Lovely overhead. ENORMOUS power that could be put to much, much, much better use.

Coaching. If she can even get someone to tell her these things, she herself can have a reliable physio help her with half of it.

MLF
Apr 28th, 2011, 04:16 PM
Madrid Qualies:

(7)Anastasia Rodionova (AUS) v Casey Dellacqua (AUS)
Nuria Llagostera Vives (ESP) v (16)Mirjana Lucic (CRO)

ajmo!
Apr 28th, 2011, 04:35 PM
GL Mirjana, this won't be easy at all.

mikireturns
Apr 28th, 2011, 05:14 PM
Hopefully she will be pumped and eager to bring her "Makarova Game" to the clay in Madrid. I'd like to see her tangle with Rodionova. She can outfox Nuria, if she's halfway on the boil, and if she brings the Makarova Game, she could maybe make Rodionova pee in her pants a little bit, but anything less ...

Ugh.

SERVivor
Apr 28th, 2011, 11:06 PM
She's not a bad player. I have mentioned this before, but it may bear repeating: Mirjana strikes me as a player with SUCH a big game and such a world-class talent that she is lost without a top-level coach and constant support system to help her figure out what to do with that game.

On the women's side, especially, it is a total head-trip, because not only are these girls completely mental, but now part of having "big confidence" means having a travelling coach of some sort. The girls parade their coaches around the tour like big forehands: "My coach is bigger than yours, and by the way, you don't even HAVE one." Remember, so many players from various countries have access to their national association coahces and training facilities, etc. Mirjana is not in the good graces on that count, nor does she have a management firm that can provide her with proper coaching. She has to pay these tennis academies (United, and now Armando) out of her own pocket. That's just to train at their facilities and get advice as they can provide it.

I'm telling you, the girl has so much talent she does not know what to do with it half the time, and she is under-coached. Criminally under-coached. Jeff Russell was travelling with her throughout her entire leap into the Top 100 last year and he made a massive difference in her entire focus. For 2011, she ideally needed a new travelling coach to bring her to the next level of WTA competition, but this is just very expensive when you're on your own, my friends.

There are things in her game that she constantly (coaching-wise) needs to be reminded to do. I watched Russell numerous times tell her to slow it down, calm herself down, move laterally with more anticipation to her forehand side, step in, step back, start serving down the middle. You name it. It's lonely out there for these professionals if they are on their own. That's why Mirjana went in circles and could not get out of the Challenger mudpit for two years. With money and the proper coach, given her lovely fitness and innate talent, she could have been in the Top 100 within six months of returning in 2007.

This has been a rough journey for her. It's frustrating for us, who know deep down she has so much talent and power, and wonder what the hell she is doing sometimes.

But, I'll repeat: a talent of her caliber and her emotional make-up needs a strong and gifted and perceptive coach. There is no crime in a modern player needing that, especially these flaky women (not to be sexist -- the men are flaky in their own way, too. No doubt about it).

I can tell you right now what I would say to Mirjana as a permanent coach:

"Girlfriend, you need to change some things, because you have been using the same old tactics and it is high time that you accepted the fact that they ARE NOT WORKING FOR YOU.

They are not working for you regularly and dependably, throughout your career. Good times and bad.

If you modify just these few things, you will win more matches.

First, you need to totally lose the hitch in your serve, both first and second deliveries. It can be done with a very minor adjustment of your toss and shoulder rotation. Nothing major. You will still serve around the same big speed, but get more first serves in.

Second, you need to develop a reliable and sneaky second-serve out wide -- one with a lot of kick, another with spin. Double faults will melt away.

Third, you need to get over yourself when it comes to service returns. This nonsense about just ripping every ball the same exact way on every return is NOT WORKING FOR YOU. You need to go for solid technique and placement and timing on the return rather than outright force unless you have a clear shot down the alley and you know in your gut you are right on top of it. Unless that happens, you have got to tone it down and get more returns in play, so that you have a chance to engage in points instead of throwing them away. Better, more dynamic footwork will help on those returns, which leads me to my next point ...

Fourth, you need to recover a lot more quickly after serves and service returns, girl. You need to MOVE YOUR FEET in those first crucial few seconds. You are missing that key window to get immediately ready to start taking control because your reaction-time is off. You're not moving your feet fast enough at that particular juncture. You're usually fine when you are in a rally and moving laterally (and even that can be improved), but you need to be more explosively quick in your recovery after serving and after returning serve. (HUGE -- Miki is way off on this aspect and it is costing her constantly!).

Fifth, you are in great shape, but we are going to start doing some speed/agility drills to make you more explosive and effective in your footwork and overall lateral movement.

All fixable for Mirjana. She has put in the hard fitness work, she just needs fine-tuning, a few key CHANGES, lots of encouragement from someone she trusts, and the rest will come together because of her talent and confidence. Great technique on her strokes. Lovely net game. Lovely overhead. ENORMOUS power that could be put to much, much, much better use.

Coaching. If she can even get someone to tell her these things, she herself can have a reliable physio help her with half of it.

good points. As far as a travelling coach, she is at a disadvatage during matches as the WTA allows some coaching during matches. She needs someone to give her imput mid-match. AT the WTA level, most of the other players have this. At the challenger level, probably alot less have it.

SERVivor
Apr 28th, 2011, 11:09 PM
Rodionova has been pretty shaky lately. What is Vives game like. I don't really like that matchup as spanish veterans are usually backboards.

mikireturns
Apr 29th, 2011, 07:49 AM
good points. As far as a travelling coach, she is at a disadvatage during matches as the WTA allows some coaching during matches. She needs someone to give her imput mid-match. AT the WTA level, most of the other players have this. At the challenger level, probably alot less have it.

Case-in-point, Miki got really flustered in the second set of her match against Hendler last year at Stanford.

During the appropriate break, Russell went over and had a long talk with her, settled her down, and told her what the hell to do.

Miki visibly calmed down, strutted out there, and took the next two games for that match.

ajmo!
Apr 29th, 2011, 08:59 AM
I have been looking at Spanish forum and found a post where somebody who watched the match said that Mirjana played like firework and that she apologized for her game to Cabeza's coach after the match. :sad:

mikireturns
Apr 29th, 2011, 02:51 PM
Miki up 6-5, on serve against L-Vives in Madrid.

mikireturns
Apr 29th, 2011, 02:55 PM
Wow, I can't be the only one here! ???

mikireturns
Apr 29th, 2011, 02:55 PM
Set point Miki ...

mikireturns
Apr 29th, 2011, 02:55 PM
And it went away ...

mikireturns
Apr 29th, 2011, 02:56 PM
Miki brings it back to deuce

mikireturns
Apr 29th, 2011, 02:57 PM
She's fighting out there, "fer shur"

mikireturns
Apr 29th, 2011, 03:01 PM
Miki wins the first set 7-5 (he said, all alone, apparently, in the Miki cheering forum ...)

croat123
Apr 29th, 2011, 03:04 PM
Two aces to hold..7-5 1-0

mikireturns
Apr 29th, 2011, 03:07 PM
There you are, croat 123 ... I knew I wasn't alone here :-)

tennismaster8820
Apr 29th, 2011, 03:08 PM
No you are not alone.
Just quietly hoping for a win...

mikireturns
Apr 29th, 2011, 03:12 PM
She's in the match for sure, and I can't imagine her serve % could get worse, so ...

mikireturns
Apr 29th, 2011, 03:24 PM
She's sticking with it out there, clearly. *crickets* *crickets*

SERVivor
Apr 29th, 2011, 03:26 PM
almost broke in the second game of the set. first serve percentage very good in this set

mikireturns
Apr 29th, 2011, 03:31 PM
Vives is only 5 feet tall? You have GOT to be kidding me. Miki is playing a dwarf out there.

SERVivor
Apr 29th, 2011, 03:46 PM
she seems to have lost her way since the middle of the second set. Keep fighting!!

SERVivor
Apr 29th, 2011, 03:49 PM
Vives is only 5 feet tall? You have GOT to be kidding me. Miki is playing a dwarf out there.

she should be able to overpower someone that small, but I think Vives is a typical spanish backboard/fighter. Miki's serve has totally gone away. two double faults last game after having game point.

mikireturns
Apr 29th, 2011, 03:49 PM
Oh man ... losing to a midget.

SERVivor
Apr 29th, 2011, 03:51 PM
seven games lost in a row after being up 3-2 in the seoond set. I don't know what to say.

mikireturns
Apr 29th, 2011, 03:52 PM
I don't care if she's a backboard. She's five feet tall. You beat someone like that. You beat them BAD.

ajmo!
Apr 29th, 2011, 03:54 PM
Fight Miki!

ajmo!
Apr 29th, 2011, 03:55 PM
5-7 6-3 3-1
Nice to get a game finally.

mikireturns
Apr 29th, 2011, 03:57 PM
seven games lost in a row after being up 3-2 in the seoond set. I don't know what to say.

No excuse for such a collapse. I wish we could all just travel around with Miki and coach her/cheer her on. I would provide champagne and martinis for everyone at court-side, because we would all need stiff drinks on a daily basis when it comes to Mirjana Lucic.

ajmo!
Apr 29th, 2011, 04:00 PM
from 40-15 to deuce. please break her

ajmo!
Apr 29th, 2011, 04:01 PM
And how fast it all went away, Miki probably just missed two returns.

SERVivor
Apr 29th, 2011, 04:05 PM
No excuse for such a collapse. I wish we could all just travel around with Miki and coach her/cheer her on. I would provide champagne and martinis for everyone at court-side, because we would all need stiff drinks on a daily basis when it comes to Mirjana Lucic.

that would be fun. She seems to be playing a little better now. maybe one final push to stay in the match. At least she's not packing it in. Her first serve percentage is way to low overall.

SERVivor
Apr 29th, 2011, 04:06 PM
had 30-0 but blew that game. almost over.

mikireturns
Apr 29th, 2011, 04:09 PM
What are we going to do with this girl?

ajmo!
Apr 29th, 2011, 04:10 PM
BP wasted. Nothing new.

ajmo!
Apr 29th, 2011, 04:12 PM
:crying2:

SERVivor
Apr 29th, 2011, 04:14 PM
lost 10 of final 11 games. Played a good first set. The key may have been when Vives held at 0-1 in the second after saving two break points and that game was very long - 16 points. Miki had the momemtum at that point. It seemed to go south from there.

mikireturns
Apr 29th, 2011, 04:19 PM
This is lame. Losing to lower-ranked Spanish midgets?

It breaks my heart to say it, but if she can't build on one good result in a shitty year (the Makarova win), then why bother? This collapse is beyond comprehension ...

mikireturns
Apr 29th, 2011, 04:21 PM
She's wasting her time out there with performances like this, after all that has transpired. It was a waste of my time to follow it.

After Wimbledon, the writing will be on the wall. I will give her a chance for a miracle until Wimbledon, and that is being generous at this point.

croat123
Apr 29th, 2011, 04:25 PM
the makarova win wasn't a good result though...it was a tight match against a player that spent all night throwing up
i'm actually more encouraged by the first set and a half of this match

mikireturns
Apr 29th, 2011, 04:40 PM
the makarova win wasn't a good result though...it was a tight match against a player that spent all night throwing up
i'm actually more encouraged by the first set and a half of this match

I don't care if Makarova was juggling circus monkeys the night before that match ... it was a win for Mirjana. You take the win and the mental boost from that win and you build on it as a competitor.

I know you guys MUST actually play the game of tennis yourselves, right? You do get out there and compete, right?

Seriously, there is nothing good or encouraging at ALL to take away from this performace against Vives, with a total disintegration of Miki's game, losing the last 10 of 11 games???!!! That is simply ridiculous. Lame. Crappy. Insert whatever adjective.

Personally, I think her career is effectively over, and this collapse exemplifies that, and I do say it with a very very sad heart. I will wait for a Wimbledon miracle, but hope she moves on in life to something enriching and wonderful, because tennis greatness (or even making a profitable living at tennis) is clearly not in the cards for her.

Someone like Ivanovic or Safina can afford to have a total brain-collapse for a year, but Mirjana scraped through to create her "opening" and she doesn't have the game. She just doesn't.

I mean, where is the game? You either bring it when your moment arrives, or you don't. She's not bringing it.

No crime in that, but that is sport.

mikireturns
Apr 29th, 2011, 05:25 PM
OBVIOUS frustration, but I don't want to give-up on Miki just yet, even though the writing may be on the proverbial wall. CROAT 123, you are a wonderful fan and I hear your points, but if you don't think the Makarova win was a "good result" then I have to wonder. On tour, these women know that the other women are full of shit half the time.

As a competitor, that result was a HUGE result for Mirjana, because she doesn't buy any "I was sick last night crap" notion. That is something that we, as observers, ponder. Mirjana only knows who is on court in front of her and whether she beats them or not.

It was a great result for her, and I expect that the result helped her take that first set from the Spanish dwarf and get a lead in the second, before she shamefully let it totally slide off the mountain, and I expect she got really really down on herself and negative (COACH!!!!! Help!!! Help!!!)

No excuse for such crap, with or without a good coach,but I just can't give up on her.

I wish I were extremely rich and could just float her $200,000 so she could totally intensify her efforts this year and surround herself with the best people to make a serious run, day in, day out.

None of us would be here, cheering for her, groaning, hoping, unless we cared for her as a pro and as a person.

Mirjana truly is a wonderful, kind, delightful lady -- I speak from experience on that because I have met her and have talked to her. She's a helluva gal.

This is the time when she needs to make her move and her "moment" is shrinking. What can we do to help her? I will be thinking about that.

(sigh)

auntie janie
Apr 29th, 2011, 07:42 PM
This is lame. Losing to lower-ranked Spanish midgets?

NLV may not be highly ranked, but she knows how to play against big-hitting but erratic players like Mirjana, especially on clay. I confess I was shocked to find out Mirjana won a set from her; I expected more like 62 61. Since my expectations for Miki on clay are low anyway, I'm not as disturbed as some of you are right now about her game. I fully expect a turnaround, and winning that set today was a nice start.

mikireturns
Apr 30th, 2011, 03:43 AM
NLV may not be highly ranked, but she knows how to play against big-hitting but erratic players like Mirjana, especially on clay. I confess I was shocked to find out Mirjana won a set from her; I expected more like 62 61. Since my expectations for Miki on clay are low anyway, I'm not as disturbed as some of you are right now about her game. I fully expect a turnaround, and winning that set today was a nice start.

Some good points, Janie. You remain optimistic and that is not only refreshing ... it is important.

The problem is that Mirjana, like Vives, is also a very gifted clay-courter, and one cannot escape a collapse of 10 out of the last 11 games.

Obvious rankings and seedings aside, Mirjana botched this match badly.

Again, she is not bringing "the game" when the moments call for it, and if she were 22, or a successfully rich player in a temporary slump (like Safina, Ivanovic), it would be different.

I only wish we could do something to genuinely help her, as fans. Her moment to grasp success is shrinking, with her unreliable game, but I think she has the innate talent to win Slams ... but she cannot brush aside L-Vives. Writing on the wall.

Let's hope for a miraculous run, cuz that is what she needs. I'm trying to think of a way to help her ... I don't know.

kfh_9118
Apr 30th, 2011, 09:09 AM
the makarova win wasn't a good result though...it was a tight match against a player that spent all night throwing up
i'm actually more encouraged by the first set and a half of this match

I agree with croat123
seeing her winning a set agains NLV is more encouraging than winning tight match against unwell Makarova.

Of course, I am disappointed she's not winning this match, but at least we can see slightly improvement here compared to her previous losses. Hopefully she will peak just on time for RG & Wimbledon.

C'mon Miki, keep fighting.

mikireturns
Apr 30th, 2011, 03:24 PM
I agree with croat123
seeing her winning a set agains NLV is more encouraging than winning tight match against unwell Makarova.

Of course, I am disappointed she's not winning this match, but at least we can see slightly improvement here compared to her previous losses. Hopefully she will peak just on time for RG & Wimbledon.

C'mon Miki, keep fighting.

You guys are great, and I respect your opinions as Miki fans, but totally disagree with the notion that the Makarova match was "not really" a good result, or that it was some sort of "lucky win" for Miki.

Look at the news and interest and good commentary that one win alone generated for her, much less what it told her about her own capabilities. On paper, it was her biggest quality-win in years (Top 40, No. 4 seed), and with Mirjana's type of game, if she's playing badly and throwing points away at random, a dying cow could beat her at tennis.

I do not AT ALL buy into the rumor that Makarova was "throwing up all night" before the match. First, about 90% of the women on tour claim that they spend each night before their matches throwing up or in the grip of some terrible malady that manages to miraculously disappear the day of their match and allow them to take the court. Drama queens, to the umpteenth degree.

If one is really sick, you don't go out there at all, or if you're stupid enough to play being terribly sick, you lose 6-0 6-2, or perhaps have a dramatic fainting spell like Azarenka. If you show up to play, you are healthy enough to play. That's tennis. Fact.

I enjoy the opinions being put forward, but think Miki deserves props for her Top 40 win, wherein she won the last point of the match and displayed strong stats and numbers all the way around.

There is nothing interesting or encouraging about this qualifying round shitty loss to Vives. If there is any "fluke" to be discussed, it's the fluke that she won the first set because she proceeded to get killed, royally, in the next two and lost the whole day. She made her way to Madrid and bombed.

We all want to spin things as best we can for her, but this one is hard to spin. 10 of 11 games lost after having the momentum: this tells me that Mirjana, mentally, is just a complete mess.

You have to win the match, guys; that's what it is all about. You have to win the last point.

Mirjana's loss to Vives was one of the worst yet, especially since I heard that, the day before the match, Nuria spent 16 hours in labor giving birth to twins, and then she also got crushed by a grand piano someone was lifting by ropes into a fourth-floor apartment house.

That is surely why Nuria was a little "off" and gifted the first set to Miki.

Look, Mirjana is a fascinating player and she attracts a unique cadre of fans. I don't think we are "typical" fans ... if you are a follower of Mirjana Lucic, you are a certain kind of person. Special. In my opinion, Miki will remain a "star" no matter what, but like the rest of you I am only going to hope for a miracle at one of the upcoming Slams, or at any tournament where she can string together two or three decent performances like the one against Makarova.

Soon. Because time is really running out for her, if she wants to be able to even enter these events at all and, as I said before, I do not see this woman returning to the sludge of the Challenger circuit.

We all want her to win, yes. But we also want this woman to be happy and to now see her flailing around out there like a retarded bird after such a promising 2010 is very unsettling. Let's hope for the best stuff in these next two slams.

We may need to get together and sacrifice a unicorn in some dark ritual to get Mirjana to snag back-to-back wins in a main draw, but let's hope she does it on her own and the unicorns of the world can fly free and without fear amid the glittering rainbows.

Okay?

SERVivor
Apr 30th, 2011, 05:10 PM
Mikireturns, you are in rare form. I agree that the Makarova win has some merit. If she was truly very sick, she wouldn't have played. Secondly, the collapse against Vives had to be strictly mental. She was outplaying her until the middle of the second set. It's hard to believe Vives suddently upped her game or employed some new stratedy. Physically, the game is there - she's just mentally fragile. This is obvious on two fronts - one is strategic. She goes for the wrong shots and is often impatient. Secondly, she self-destructs in the middle of matches. Against Vives, she was sailing along then Vives hold serve in a gaim Miki should have broken to go up 2-0 in the second. She probably let her failure to break bother her and it affected her game. I think the main issue is not having a travelling coach with her - if indeed she does not have one. She does usually fight to stay in matches, so she has shown mental toughness in that regard.

mikireturns
Apr 30th, 2011, 09:04 PM
Mikireturns, you are in rare form. I agree that the Makarova win has some merit. If she was truly very sick, she wouldn't have played. Secondly, the collapse against Vives had to be strictly mental. She was outplaying her until the middle of the second set. It's hard to believe Vives suddently upped her game or employed some new stratedy. Physically, the game is there - she's just mentally fragile. This is obvious on two fronts - one is strategic. She goes for the wrong shots and is often impatient. Secondly, she self-destructs in the middle of matches. Against Vives, she was sailing along then Vives hold serve in a gaim Miki should have broken to go up 2-0 in the second. She probably let her failure to break bother her and it affected her game. I think the main issue is not having a travelling coach with her - if indeed she does not have one. She does usually fight to stay in matches, so she has shown mental toughness in that regard.

Hee hee. Thanks. But whether I am rare, medium, or over-cooked, I am more worried about Miki's ability to just win against people she should be beating routinely. She has been working really hard at this new academy and she wants it, or else she would not be putting herself on the line like she is doing. It's not easy out there ... you could tell from the first set against Vives that she was fighting, then she clearly lost the entire program.

She has got to get her head together. I'm hoping for an inspired run in Paris and that her game will just connect big-time on grass. But her ranking is constant danger from now until the end of the year.

WINS! Miki needs a few more wins out there! (duh)

ajmo!
May 6th, 2011, 04:37 PM
It couldn't got much worse in Rome... Medina in QR1

mikireturns
May 6th, 2011, 04:54 PM
It couldn't got much worse in Rome... Medina in QR1

With Knapp or Flipkens on the other side in case she gets through M-Garrigues.

Well, I hope she spent the "free" week practicing really, REALLY hard.

Gotta believe she can do it, though.

ajmo!
May 6th, 2011, 04:55 PM
Medina demolished everyone in Fes. I wish her all the best, but I would be shocked if she would make it.

Sasja
May 6th, 2011, 04:56 PM
It couldn't got much worse in Rome... Medina in QR1

Not a good draw :sobbing:

Tough opening round :scared: :scared:
But if she wins this, she really has a chance :angel:

Good luck Miki :cheer:

Sasja
May 6th, 2011, 05:01 PM
Medina demolished everyone in Fes. I wish her all the best, but I would be shocked if she would make it.

IKR. Anabel didn't drop a set there :sobbing:

mikireturns
May 6th, 2011, 05:08 PM
Yeah. Medina is in really confident form. Miki would have to pull-off a truly inspired perfromance to beat her, she would have to prove a great deal to herself and everyone.

I have to say, given her results the entire year thus far, it was a big miscalculation for her to enter all the WTA Events in Europe, instead of maybe playing Fes and Barcelona, and then, to be on the safe side, entering the France and Prague 100Ks and playing those before Roland Garros. What was she thinking?

If she plays her very best match of the year and Medina has an off-day, Mirjana can obviously win. But Anabel eats big hitters for breakfast.

GL to her.

mikireturns
May 6th, 2011, 05:17 PM
I'm going to look for a unicorn ...

croat123
May 6th, 2011, 09:35 PM
this won't end well :sad:

networthy
May 6th, 2011, 11:11 PM
this won't end well :sad:

IKR. Mirjana's gonna get killed.

SERVivor
May 7th, 2011, 02:45 AM
why is Mediga-Garrigus even in the qualifying. She is ranked #42 in the world. I guess her Madrid points didn't count on the entry list. Good luck to Mirjana. Yes, Medina is tough but it's best to catch her in the first match before she gets on a role. Halep played her tight at Estoril in the first round, and she does have losses on Clay this year to Castano, who is over the hill, and was routed by Dulko. So, anything can happen.

SERVivor
May 7th, 2011, 02:46 AM
I meant Estoril points, not Madrid.

kfh_9118
May 7th, 2011, 08:26 AM
good luck to Miki against AMG, she will definitely need it :lol:

as impossible as it seems, Miki still can win this match, this is tennis after all.
Maybe as huge underdog, she will play freely, no pressure, and bring us miracle ;)

Sasja
May 7th, 2011, 10:55 AM
Miki wins the 1st set 6-2 :eek:

jaylucic
May 7th, 2011, 10:58 AM
OMG, just saw the news! good luck in the 2nd set! :-)))))))))))))

SERVivor
May 7th, 2011, 11:04 AM
breaks to open the second. Keep it up girl.

ajmo!
May 7th, 2011, 11:08 AM
:eek:

kfh_9118
May 7th, 2011, 11:09 AM
don't lose your focus now, Miki
she hasn't lost her serves at all :eek: very rare indeed.

ajmo!
May 7th, 2011, 11:11 AM
When you look at Medina's scores this is just...
OMG, please keep it up Miki!

jaylucic
May 7th, 2011, 11:11 AM
6:2 2:0 in the 2nd

jaylucic
May 7th, 2011, 11:18 AM
3:1

ajmo!
May 7th, 2011, 11:32 AM
Medina saved 5 BP's in last game, 62 32

kfh_9118
May 7th, 2011, 11:33 AM
had 5 BP chances in the fifth game second set, couldn't take it :mad:

kfh_9118
May 7th, 2011, 11:34 AM
overall 3/16 BP conversion

kfh_9118
May 7th, 2011, 11:34 AM
Miki 6-2 4-2* :cool:

ajmo!
May 7th, 2011, 11:34 AM
6-2 4-2

SERVivor
May 7th, 2011, 11:36 AM
big hold now 4-2. good she didn't let the blown opportunities of the previous game bother her

kfh_9118
May 7th, 2011, 11:40 AM
Miki broke again 6-2 5-2, will serve for the match now.

C'mon Miki :bounce:

ajmo!
May 7th, 2011, 11:42 AM
30-30.. 2 more. FIGHT MIKI

ajmo!
May 7th, 2011, 11:43 AM
DF. please don't choke :scared:

ajmo!
May 7th, 2011, 11:44 AM
6-2 5-3

SERVivor
May 7th, 2011, 11:45 AM
got tight obviously. 5-3

ajmo!
May 7th, 2011, 11:46 AM
Medina serving 30-15

ajmo!
May 7th, 2011, 11:47 AM
40-30

ajmo!
May 7th, 2011, 11:48 AM
6-2 5-4.. Focus MIKI!
Now or never. 4 big serves, 4 big points.
YOU CAN DO IT!

kfh_9118
May 7th, 2011, 11:48 AM
second time to serve for the match, c'mon Miki, don't choke :fiery:

She hasn't lost her serves until serving for the match :sobbing:

ajmo!
May 7th, 2011, 11:51 AM
15-15

ajmo!
May 7th, 2011, 11:51 AM
No first serves in :scared:

ajmo!
May 7th, 2011, 11:52 AM
30-30.. AJmo MIki!

ajmo!
May 7th, 2011, 11:52 AM
Mp

Sasja
May 7th, 2011, 11:52 AM
Mp :)

ajmo!
May 7th, 2011, 11:54 AM
mp #2

kfh_9118
May 7th, 2011, 11:54 AM
c'mon Miki, take it now

ajmo!
May 7th, 2011, 11:55 AM
Wasted :mad: :scared:

kfh_9118
May 7th, 2011, 11:55 AM
saved again :sobbing:

ajmo!
May 7th, 2011, 11:56 AM
BP :crying2:

Sasja
May 7th, 2011, 11:56 AM
BP :sobbing:

ajmo!
May 7th, 2011, 11:56 AM
OMG She choked.

Sasja
May 7th, 2011, 11:56 AM
AMG breaks back :o

jaylucic
May 7th, 2011, 11:56 AM
5:5

kfh_9118
May 7th, 2011, 11:58 AM
gotta hurt her confidence now :scared:

don't just collapse now, Miki, c'mon keep fighting

ajmo!
May 7th, 2011, 12:00 PM
deuce.. break her miki

ajmo!
May 7th, 2011, 12:01 PM
bp! please take it!

kfh_9118
May 7th, 2011, 12:01 PM
from 15-40 to Ad Miki, c'mon take the BP here Miki

kfh_9118
May 7th, 2011, 12:02 PM
saved :mad:

ajmo!
May 7th, 2011, 12:02 PM
GP Medina :sad:

ajmo!
May 7th, 2011, 12:03 PM
deuce again. you feel like whoever wins this game is gonna take it.

ajmo!
May 7th, 2011, 12:03 PM
bp mirjana! c'mon take it already

kfh_9118
May 7th, 2011, 12:03 PM
BP again for Miki

ajmo!
May 7th, 2011, 12:04 PM
3rd chance to serve it out.

kfh_9118
May 7th, 2011, 12:05 PM
hopefully third time lucky serving for the match

Sasja
May 7th, 2011, 12:06 PM
Please serve it out this time Miki :scared:

ajmo!
May 7th, 2011, 12:06 PM
2nd serve and 0-15

ajmo!
May 7th, 2011, 12:07 PM
2nd serve and 0-30

Sasja
May 7th, 2011, 12:07 PM
0-30 :sad:

Sasja
May 7th, 2011, 12:07 PM
She needs some 1st serves :sobbing:

ajmo!
May 7th, 2011, 12:08 PM
2nd serve and 0-40

Sasja
May 7th, 2011, 12:08 PM
3 Bp

kfh_9118
May 7th, 2011, 12:10 PM
unreal, not broken the entire match until serving for the match, 3 times, broken 3 times :fiery:

TB time.

she must win it, otherwise I expect her to just give up and lose the final set easily

ajmo!
May 7th, 2011, 12:10 PM
1-1

ajmo!
May 7th, 2011, 12:11 PM
DF and 1-2

SERVivor
May 7th, 2011, 12:11 PM
she simply cannot get a first serve in. take something off but get it in

ajmo!
May 7th, 2011, 12:12 PM
2-3

kfh_9118
May 7th, 2011, 12:13 PM
2-3

ajmo!
May 7th, 2011, 12:13 PM
2-4

Sasja
May 7th, 2011, 12:14 PM
2-4 :sad:

ajmo!
May 7th, 2011, 12:14 PM
Can't believe she's gonna lose. I already prepared thread for GM.

Sasja
May 7th, 2011, 12:14 PM
2-5 :o

ajmo!
May 7th, 2011, 12:15 PM
:sad: :crying2:

Heartbreaking

Sasja
May 7th, 2011, 12:17 PM
OMG 3rd set :bigcry:

:scared:

kfh_9118
May 7th, 2011, 12:21 PM
watch her explode and spraying errors all over the place in the third set.

sometimes it's so hard being her fan, so heartbreaking :sad:

kfh_9118
May 7th, 2011, 12:33 PM
broken first game third set (very expected),
wasted 3 BPs chance in the second game :rolleyes:

SERVivor
May 7th, 2011, 12:35 PM
3 bp wasted.

Sasja
May 7th, 2011, 12:37 PM
0-3* final set :hysteric:

SERVivor
May 7th, 2011, 12:38 PM
Can't believe she's gonna lose. I already prepared thread for GM.

probably true unfortunately. It's too bad her mentality doesn't match her physical gifts, because she really deserved to win based on the first set and 7/8 of play

kfh_9118
May 7th, 2011, 12:38 PM
broken again 0-3

hate how she teased us and gave us hope that she can cause huge upset here, but in the end same old story.
this is worse than if she lost easily in 2 sets

SERVivor
May 7th, 2011, 12:40 PM
tennis= 8o% mental.

SERVivor
May 7th, 2011, 12:42 PM
she's still returning decently, obviously her serve deserted her.

SERVivor
May 7th, 2011, 12:45 PM
1 break back.

Sasja
May 7th, 2011, 01:05 PM
AMG def Miki 2-6 7-6(2) 6-1 :bigcry:

That's a really tough loss to handle. Not being able close it out. Serving for the match 3 times and having 2 MP. Not good for her confidence.

It was a bad draw for her. I was surprised to see her do so well for the 1st 2 sets (well big part of the 2nd anyway). But I'm really sad she couldn't finish it.

:hug:

kfh_9118
May 7th, 2011, 01:08 PM
as long as she can win a match in RG, I will still be happy.
having this scorelines against red hot favourite AMG shows that she has a chance to win a match in RG, with a good draw.

croat123
May 7th, 2011, 02:08 PM
i want to throw up...

served for it three times and, until the first time she served for it, wasn't broken
so mental

croat123
May 7th, 2011, 02:13 PM
this is worse than a double bagel...

mikireturns
May 7th, 2011, 02:55 PM
Poor Miki. She had this match in the bag. Her 2nd Top 50 win of the season.

Not enough matches this year to show-up match-tough and close in a big situation like this, and she choked.

But 2 match points? Come on, Mirjana. Really? Why not just freak her freak and rush the net on that second MP, or in the tie-break?

Horrible to have this happen right before Paris. But she has got to know in her heart that she can really, truly play with (and take down) the big girls now, if only she can get match tough enough.

Her calendar has been terribly mismanaged, but I'm sure she expected herself to be playing this kind of tennis months ago. Still.

I feel for her (and fans).

Last year it was her playing basically shitty-but-gritty almost all year long and stealing matches from other people who had match points against her.

This year, she is FINALLY coming into brilliant play and not enough mental grit to close.

I don't even want to think about the French.

You know she's having a good cry right now. Or a bad cry. A REALLY bad cry.

Her "team" will hopefully give her enough mental support to heal the wound and let her take some real positives from this, i.e. she played really, really great until she needed to close. A good coach will psych-her-out of the heebie jeebies from this experience.

Oh, Mirjana.

Lachrymarum
May 7th, 2011, 05:06 PM
Sorry can't be positive on this one - not when she was up 6-2, 5-2.
I'm pretty much over being a supporter.

mikireturns
May 7th, 2011, 05:53 PM
Sorry can't be positive on this one - not when she was up 6-2, 5-2.
I'm pretty much over being a supporter.

That's understandable, at this point, but she's human and no doubt is being harder on herself right now than anyone.

I won't give up on her. Very ridiculous loss, but she is not the first player who has choked a match, nor will she be the last.

If she can produce this kind of tennis against a tough Top 50 player who is red hot on clay, then I still believe very much in her ability.

Whether she will ever amount to anything again as a significant tennis player is still up in the air.

I frankly hope she has one more shining run, hopefully at a major, and then gets happily married and has a wonderful life, knowing she put herself on the line the last two years, had some fine moments on the tennis court in her comeback, and at least tried. Some people never even try.

ajmo!
May 7th, 2011, 07:30 PM
Still few chances. If she made that smash on MP she would probably make it to MD of Rome and maybe even had a great run. 6-2 5-2 against Medina is huge, she was eating everyone in Estoril. Mirjana is ready, but those matches when she was not ready took something of her confidence.
Heartbreaking.

But in the last two matches she was winning around 80% of points on first serve until a certain moment, like a set and half.

Mirjana is ready, I do not want to give up on her now. She needs few wins. If I was her I would ask WC for some challenger, even 25k week before RG.

She can still make it, better now than in Paris or London.

It's not over. Not yet.

It's to late to be a pessimist.

auntie janie
May 7th, 2011, 07:37 PM
Painful loss, but Mirjana has been through much worse than this. Clearly a choke today, but we know from last year that she has great mental strength, and that will come back along with more match play and a couple more wins.

It seems to me to be a funny time for fans to give up on her after she finally, FINALLY, worked her way back to the top 100, after years and years of struggling. Seen from the longer perspective, this loss and even this lengthy slump are mere blips on the Lucic career radar. I'm already looking forward to her next turnaround. :angel:

qwertytx
May 7th, 2011, 10:14 PM
Painful loss, but Mirjana has been through much worse than this. Clearly a choke today, but we know from last year that she has great mental strength, and that will come back along with more match play and a couple more wins.

It seems to me to be a funny time for fans to give up on her after she finally, FINALLY, worked her way back to the top 100, after years and years of struggling. Seen from the longer perspective, this loss and even this lengthy slump are mere blips on the Lucic career radar. I'm already looking forward to her next turnaround. :angel:

I agree that giving up on her is a bad idea, but time really is running out. It isn't financially viable to be "just" a top 100 player, particularly at her age when sponsors and tennis federations see you as being near the end of your career. I am also a big Dokic fan and was hopeful that since she was able to turn things around, so could Lucic. However, I am starting to believe that her style of play is a bit dated. She's probably as good now as she was in the past, but the girls are much better all-around athletes now and can get to a lot of the balls that Miki would hit for winners before. And although she has won tournaments and made a deep run at Wimbledon, she never had consistent results over a calendar year. So as a fan my frustration is that she isn't having better results, but I think maybe my expectations were too high given that she was never really a top tier player. (And I hate saying that because I really really like her.) At this point my hope is that before she retires she can have one really good grasscourt run, or at least a big time win by outslugging a big hitter like Serena or Kim. :)

SERVivor
May 7th, 2011, 11:32 PM
Still few chances. If she made that smash on MP she would probably make it to MD of Rome and maybe even had a great run. 6-2 5-2 against Medina is huge, she was eating everyone in Estoril. Mirjana is ready, but those matches when she was not ready took something of her confidence.
Heartbreaking.

But in the last two matches she was winning around 80% of points on first serve until a certain moment, like a set and half.

Mirjana is ready, I do not want to give up on her now. She needs few wins. If I was her I would ask WC for some challenger, even 25k week before RG.

She can still make it, better now than in Paris or London.

It's not over. Not yet.

It's to late to be a pessimist.

Good post. I'm not jumping ship until the last bit of the aft is submerging into the abyss. There is still time to bail out the water

mikireturns
May 8th, 2011, 05:28 AM
I agree that giving up on her is a bad idea, but time really is running out. It isn't financially viable to be "just" a top 100 player, particularly at her age when sponsors and tennis federations see you as being near the end of your career. I am also a big Dokic fan and was hopeful that since she was able to turn things around, so could Lucic. However, I am starting to believe that her style of play is a bit dated. She's probably as good now as she was in the past, but the girls are much better all-around athletes now and can get to a lot of the balls that Miki would hit for winners before. And although she has won tournaments and made a deep run at Wimbledon, she never had consistent results over a calendar year. So as a fan my frustration is that she isn't having better results, but I think maybe my expectations were too high given that she was never really a top tier player. (And I hate saying that because I really really like her.) At this point my hope is that before she retires she can have one really good grasscourt run, or at least a big time win by outslugging a big hitter like Serena or Kim. :)

First, I did not know that the match point she missed was a botched overhead smash! Oh, poor kid. The most deflating shot to miss on a big point is an overhead. It is so dramatic as an error on a big point. That sort of jolt can f%$k with anyone's rhythm. It can happen to anyone. It's like time just stops on a missed overhead that comes on a crucial point. Just ask Monica Seles, who was cruising against Arantxa S-Vic in the 1998 French final, totally pooped a kitten on an overhead and it totally unsettled her head. It was the shot that cost her a 10th Slam, really.

If Miki missed a dramatic smash on a match point, it makes me feel a little less nauseous about this result.

As for Miki never being a top tier player and her career of inconsistent results, I totally agree, but one needs to keep in mind that her life off court was not top-tier and was terribly inconsistent. Plus, her fitness and work ethic was always suspect. I think that, once she obviously committed to such fierce hard work, it was reasonable to expect a bit more. She has been in excellent shape for four years now. But then, it was the money issue. In 2008 and 2009 (the first full seasons of her comeback) there was no consistent financial backing for her. Only when she was able to get funding to train steadily with the United Academy and a decent coach (Russell) did we notice an immediate spike in results in April-May of 2010. To me, this shows that, under the proper, consistent nurturing, Miki will flourish. Late last year she got engaged and then broke with the United Academy to start training with this new outfit. I think we are seeing some glimpses of advancement. Let's face it, she spanked Makarova last week and she all but utterly killed Medina, except for that one flubbed point.

If she keeps training hard, stays with the same team the rest of the season, and puts this weird loss behind her, I truly believe she can redeem this season with some tennis worthy of her talent.

Lachrymarum
May 8th, 2011, 12:14 PM
Which tournament is next for Lucic?

mikireturns
May 8th, 2011, 04:30 PM
Which tournament is next for Lucic?

Apparently, Roland Garros MD.

Two weeks to get over this sensational "near-miss" against Medina, regroup, practice overheads and serves, and bring a peaking game to the Clay That Really Counts.

jela_dokic
May 8th, 2011, 11:16 PM
hope miki will get to the 2nd round... to get at least 100 ranking points...

If not... miki will be out of top 100 :(

mikireturns
May 8th, 2011, 11:54 PM
hope miki will get to the 2nd round... to get at least 100 ranking points...

If not... miki will be out of top 100 :(

Sad to say, but Miki is already out of the Top 100 ... she will likely be around 102 or 103 on Monday.

The good thing is that she ought to just make the Wimbledon MD by the skin of her teeth, as I believe the Wimby MD cut-off is based on Monday's rankings. (Someone do indeed correct me if I'm wrong). And of course, just one win at Roland Garros will bump her back into the Top 100 ... possibly low 90s.:rolleyes:

Let's hope for that, eh?

jela_dokic
May 9th, 2011, 04:06 AM
Miki is on Wimbledon MD list.... the rank they´d use is may 09.... and miki is 97....

croat123
May 9th, 2011, 11:54 AM
medina is about to straight set schnyder :o
what could have been this week...

Lachrymarum
May 11th, 2011, 01:32 PM
medina is about to straight set schnyder :o
what could have been this week...
And now Medina Garrigues beat Bartoli in straight sets :sad:

croat123
May 11th, 2011, 02:13 PM
medina :mad:
doubles alt w/scheepers vs. briant/hercog right now

ajmo!
May 11th, 2011, 02:31 PM
Yup, Medina easily beat Knapp, Schnyder and Bartoli. Such a big chance. :sad:
0-4 in doubles, but closer than it seems

ajmo!
May 11th, 2011, 02:37 PM
0-5, 4 games lost on a deciding point

ajmo!
May 11th, 2011, 02:41 PM
Hope they can make something in second set.

ajmo!
May 11th, 2011, 02:52 PM
0-6 0-3* :sad:

ajmo!
May 11th, 2011, 03:08 PM
Mirjana double faulting on deciding points. :help:
0-6 2-5

ajmo!
May 11th, 2011, 03:12 PM
Again 40-40

ajmo!
May 11th, 2011, 03:13 PM
0-6 3-5. 3 MP's saved. Hmm, if Mirjana didn't had to double fault in a crucial moment in previous game it would be 4-4

croat123
May 11th, 2011, 11:31 PM
they lost a lot of duece game (twice on miki dfs) :sad:
the no deciding point rule sucks :o
first set was 0-6, but four games went to 40-40

croat123
May 12th, 2011, 11:02 PM
she's signed up for nottingham to start her grass season...looks like she'll get four tournaments in :D

tennismaster8820
May 12th, 2011, 11:21 PM
I'm happy to see her in Nottingham! :D
She really is turning her form into solid one on clay already, I hope it means much better one on grass!

Sasja
May 13th, 2011, 04:25 AM
Grass season :drool:

ajmo!
May 13th, 2011, 02:14 PM
Let's hope she'll be in Roland Garros at the time. :P :lol:

mikireturns
May 13th, 2011, 03:20 PM
Very thrilled w/ her grass court schedule! God bless this girl ... she is not giving up. She is obviously in good form. Just needs to string some wins together and, as they say, it's "a whole different ball-game". Just one win in Paris would do wonders, but I'm hoping for two or three, frankly. With the right draw and the game she has been exhibiting (flubbed Medina mp nothwithstanding), I could see her reach the final 32 or even 16.

Really hoping for her "moment" ... I know it's coming.

jaylucic
May 13th, 2011, 03:21 PM
is she playing anything before Roland Garros?

ajmo!
May 13th, 2011, 04:08 PM
Strasbourg Q-draw is out. Mirjana is 3rd seed and has a good chance to make i to MD. In QR1 she plays Conny Perrin ( :confused:), whoever she is. GL Miki!

Sasja
May 13th, 2011, 05:32 PM
Q-draw WTA Strasbourg:

(3) Mirjana Lucic (CRO) vs Conny Perrin (SUI)
Jessica Moore (AUS) vs Melanie Klaffner (AUT)
Gail Brodsky (USA) vs Mashona Washington (USA)
Kristina Mladenovic (FRA) vs (8) Laura Thorpe (FRA)

MLF
May 13th, 2011, 06:55 PM
Mirjana qualified and reached the final here way back in '97 before losing to Graf 6-2 7-5. Hopefully Strasbourg will bring her some joy and she can get last week's loss out of her system - she must've played a very good first two sets against Medina Garrigues and she needs to remember that.

xcrtbckhnd
May 14th, 2011, 02:12 AM
draw looks good - hope Miki can win these matches!

mikireturns
May 14th, 2011, 06:51 AM
Mirjana qualified and reached the final here way back in '97 before losing to Graf 6-2 7-5. Hopefully Strasbourg will bring her some joy and she can get last week's loss out of her system - she must've played a very good first two sets against Medina Garrigues and she needs to remember that.

The '97 Strasbourg run reminds us of this player's innate talent and her capacity to get on a roll. She had just won her first tournament prior (1st WTA she ever played, period) and she gave Graf fits, not only then, but on Centre Court in '99. Mirjana has "It" and if she settles down and remembers her recent surging form against Makarova and Medina, I would just like to see her have fun out there and play with freedom. Just show her stuff here. Nothing to lose, at this point. Best to her.

croat123
May 14th, 2011, 02:02 PM
on the scoreboard...this is an hugely important match. miki needs to get on a bit of a roll right now

croat123
May 14th, 2011, 02:10 PM
nevermind...rain :o

Sasja
May 14th, 2011, 02:13 PM
:rain:...:(

croat123
May 14th, 2011, 02:16 PM
well, center ct is suspended while court 1 has still been playing for the last 10 minutes. i doubt they would start a warm up if it was raining though

croat123
May 14th, 2011, 02:30 PM
perrin to serve first

Sasja
May 14th, 2011, 02:34 PM
Let's go Miki :cheer:

croat123
May 14th, 2011, 02:35 PM
bp miki...kill her

ajmo!
May 14th, 2011, 02:47 PM
3-1

croat123
May 14th, 2011, 02:51 PM
4*-1

ajmo!
May 14th, 2011, 02:58 PM
Rain again. :mad:

croat123
May 14th, 2011, 03:05 PM
Rain delay...5-2

ajmo!
May 14th, 2011, 04:12 PM
Not good restart. Broken to 30. :(

ajmo!
May 14th, 2011, 04:16 PM
6-3 *0-0

ajmo!
May 14th, 2011, 04:24 PM
Probably the courts are to slow for serve to be advantage now. All of the games since the break were lost by the woman that served.

ajmo!
May 14th, 2011, 04:30 PM
Perrin saved 5 BP's and holds for 3-6 2-2.

ajmo!
May 14th, 2011, 04:33 PM
6-3 3-2

mikireturns
May 14th, 2011, 04:47 PM
This girl has got some game. It does not appear that Mirjana is playing badly at all.

mikireturns
May 14th, 2011, 04:50 PM
Still, for my taste, it is a bit too close for a player ranked around 300.

ajmo!
May 14th, 2011, 04:50 PM
Mirjana needs to get out of this match now.

ajmo!
May 14th, 2011, 04:51 PM
Way to close.

ajmo!
May 14th, 2011, 04:52 PM
BP saved, 6-3 6-5

mikireturns
May 14th, 2011, 04:53 PM
Scary ... they are pretty even out there.

mikireturns
May 14th, 2011, 04:54 PM
Shut her down, Lucic. Step it up.

ajmo!
May 14th, 2011, 04:54 PM
Hope this Perrin girl will choke now. I mean, you're playing TOP100 girl, former Wimbledon semifinalist. Show some nerves. :p

mikireturns
May 14th, 2011, 04:55 PM
Oh man, Miki has won only one more point in this match than this girl.

ajmo!
May 14th, 2011, 04:56 PM
I don't think the stats. are correct. I was following the hole match and it seemed like Mirjana was better. MP now

mikireturns
May 14th, 2011, 04:56 PM
Miki applying the pressure, as she ought

ajmo!
May 14th, 2011, 04:57 PM
Wasted :scared:

ajmo!
May 14th, 2011, 04:58 PM
2nd MP wasted!

mikireturns
May 14th, 2011, 04:58 PM
Good grief, Mirjana...she is giving it to you. Take it.

ajmo!
May 14th, 2011, 05:00 PM
She may be good, but she's not fucking Medina. Win this TB Mirjana!
If she loses this game... Oh, I don't want to think about it

ajmo!
May 14th, 2011, 05:01 PM
3-1

ajmo!
May 14th, 2011, 05:03 PM
3-2 and rain again. :help:
OMFG, we can never catch a break. Always drama.

mikireturns
May 14th, 2011, 05:10 PM
Maybe it's a good thing ... the match was pretty tight and Mirjana can take some time to calm herself and hopefully come out firing on all cylinders with some big returns and serve this thing out. But really, she's got to get through this weirdness.

croat123
May 14th, 2011, 05:13 PM
Cts must be really slow now :(

mikireturns
May 14th, 2011, 05:13 PM
2 MPs blown ... she should have been on her way back to the hotel already.

ajmo!
May 14th, 2011, 05:46 PM
Maybe it's a good thing ... the match was pretty tight and Mirjana can take some time to calm herself and hopefully come out firing on all cylinders with some big returns and serve this thing out. But really, she's got to get through this weirdness.

Yes, but Conny also had time to calm down. She was choking,, probably. I mean, two DF's in last game. Miki just probably hasn't had enough confidence to close it.