PDA

View Full Version : Clay 2011-Marbella/Fes/Barcelona.Go Dinarik27! :)


Pages : [1] 2

Shivank17
Apr 1st, 2011, 03:58 PM
After two good weeks each in IW and Miami,Dinara will now begin her campaign on her favorite surface in Marbella,Spain at the Andalucia Tennis Experience.

Dinara has been awarded a WC into the Main Draw. :bounce:

Svetlana Kuznetsova also given a WC,Ivanovic pulled out I guess,defending champion Flavia Pennetta,Belarussian Victoria Azarenka also in the draw.[I think Vika may pull out as well,cause she has to play the Finals in Miami].

Tournament info-


Tier-International

Prize Money-$220,000.

Defending Champion-Flavia Pennetta(ITA)

Dinara's best performance here-Never played here before.

Official Site-Spanish (http://andaluciatennis.com/)

Official Site-English (http://andaluciatennis.com/?i=2)

Player List 2011 (http://www.andaluciatennis.com/players.php?i=2)

Main Draw-Singles (http://andaluciatennis.com/files/maindrawsingles2011.pdf)

Go Dinara! :cheer:

Shivank17
Apr 1st, 2011, 04:48 PM
Hope the thread title is not that bad. :rolleyes:
couldn't think of anything better. :p

redsonja
Apr 1st, 2011, 05:37 PM
I like it. :)

DS.Fan.
Apr 1st, 2011, 05:41 PM
Thank u shivank!!!I'm a little bit nervous cos it's clay season!a new start for Dinara.Hope Dinara will get a good draw!(pls pls pls....)Cant wait to see her play again!!

C. Drone
Apr 1st, 2011, 07:36 PM
Hope the thread title is not that bad. :rolleyes:
couldn't think of anything better. :p

its good. :dance:

Ana, Flavia withdrew. Vika plays Miami final. thats why Sveta got a late WC.
Field is weaker, this can be a good chance. i'm optimistic.

bruce goose
Apr 1st, 2011, 07:58 PM
Don't know how much time she spent in/near Andalucia,but Dinarik often speaks well of her youth experiences in Spain,so maybe she'll be happy there for this tourney

C. Drone
Apr 1st, 2011, 08:22 PM
she and Marat trained in Valencia, if i remeber. Thats bit north-east from Andalusia. Marbella is far south of Spain, near the sea.


just realized there is 3 tourney in Spain this month. She won't have jetlag at last. :lol:

bruce goose
Apr 1st, 2011, 09:18 PM
she and Marat trained in Valencia, if i remeber. Thats bit north-east from Andalusia. Marbella is far south of Spain, near the sea.


just realized there is 3 tourney in Spain this month. She won't have jetlag at last. :lol:Yes,Norby,I knew that Marbella was near the sea;);aside from the pictures that made that obvious,'Mar'-'Bella' means 'lovely(or beautiful) sea' in Spanish....I just couldn't remember where Dinarik had trained in her youth.

Has she already committed to playing Barcelona,too?I just assumed,of course,that she'd wanna play Madrid regardless of the fact that she enjoyed such a great triumph there before

Aleksandrina
Apr 2nd, 2011, 09:01 AM
Final round drawn tomorrow

Saturday also brings the draw for the final rounds of the tournament. It will be held in the ‘Village’ stand at the Club de Tenis Puente at 12.00 and will be attended by the director of the tournament, Conchita Martínez and players Dinara Safina and Aravane Rezai.

First training

Today we were able to see some of the players that have already arrived in Marbella getting some training done on the clay courts of the Club de Tenis Puente Romano. Two of the players that drew the most attention were France’s Aravane Rezai and Russia’s Dinara Safina. The latter had a double workout on the eve of the competition as she is keen to get back into the habit of playing on clay after her last appearances have all been on hard-court surfaces.

Shivank17
Apr 2nd, 2011, 10:41 AM
Its 12:40 PM currently in Marbella,so I suppose the draw is done. :bounce:
Waiting for it to release ,hope it's not another bad draw,like the previous tourneys. :o

Aleksandrina
Apr 2nd, 2011, 10:56 AM
http://www.andaluciatennis.com/files/maindrawsingles2011.pdf

Shivank17
Apr 2nd, 2011, 11:02 AM
The draw is out! :)
Dinara to play Arantxa Rus of Netherlands in the First Round.

Shivank17
Apr 2nd, 2011, 11:09 AM
Dinara Safina Possible Opponents-

RD 1-Arantxa Rus(NED)
RD 2-(5)Tsvetana Pironkova/Qualifier
QFs-(1)Victoria Azarenka(BLR) :scared:
SFs-(4)Dulgheru(ROU)/(8)Errani(ITA)/Medina Garrigues(ESP)/Benesova(CZE)
Finals-(2)Kuznetsova(RUS)/(7)Vinci(ITA)/(3)Rezai(FRA)/(6)Zakapalova(CZE)

Shivank17
Apr 2nd, 2011, 11:18 AM
Full Draw-

(1)Victoria Azarenka(BLR) vs Arantxa Parra Santonja(ESP)
Polona Hercog(SLO) vs Laura Pous-Tio(ESP)
Arantxa Rus(NED) vs (WC)Dinara Safina(RUS)
Qualifier vs (5)Tsvetana Pironkova(BUL)

(4)Alexandra Dulgheru(ROU) vs Anastasia Pivovarova(RUS)
Iveta Benesova(CZE) vs Anabel Medina Garrigues(ESP)
Kristina Barrois(GER) vs Kirsten Flipkens(BEL)
Sorana Cirstea(ROU) vs (8)Sara Errani(ITA)

(6)Klara Zakapalova(CZE) vs Anastasia Yakimova(BLR)
Angelique Kerber(GER) vs Lourdes Dominguez Lino(ESP)
Qualifier vs Alberta Brianti(ITA)
(WC)Estrella Cabeza Candela(ESP) vs (3)Aravane Rezai(FRA)

(7)Roberta Vinci(ITA) vs Sandra Zahlavova(CZE)
Qualifier vs Monica Niculescu(ROU)
Johanna Larsson(SWE) vs Agnes Szavay(HUN)
Qualifier vs (2/WC)Svetlana Kuznetsova(RUS)

DS.Fan.
Apr 2nd, 2011, 11:41 AM
Full Draw-

(1)Victoria Azarenka(BLR) v/s Arantxa Parra Santonja(ESP)
Polona Hercog(SLO) v/s Laura Pous-Tio(ESP)
Arantxa Rus(NED) v/s (WC)Dinara Safina(RUS)
Qualifier v/s (5)Tsvetana Pironkova(BUL)

(4)Alexandra Dulgheru(ROU) v/s Anastasia Pivovarova(RUS)
Iveta Benesova(CZE) v/s Anabel Medina Garrigues(ESP)
Kristina Barrois(GER) v/s Kirsten Flipkens(BEL)
Sorana Cirstea(ROU) v/s (8)Sara Errani(ITA)

(6)Klara Zakapalova(CZE) v/s Anastasia Yakimova(BLR)
Angelique Kerber(GER) v/s Lourdes Dominguez Lino(ESP)
Qualifier v/s Alberta Brianti(ITA)
(WC)Estrella Cabeza Candela(ESP) vs (3)Aravane Rezai(FRA)

(7)Roberta Vinci(ITA) v/s Sandra Zahlavova(CZE)
Qualifier v/s Monica Niculescu(ROU)
Johanna Larsson(SWE) v/s Agnes Szavay(HUN)
Qualifier v/s (2/WC)Svetlana Kuznetsova(RUS)

:bounce::bounce: Davai Dinara!!!at least pass the first two rounds!!!

bruce goose
Apr 2nd, 2011, 01:46 PM
I'm a little surprised that Vika didn't pull out after reaching the Miami final,but maybe one extra day of rest is enough for the younger gals after trans-atlantic travel...anyway,Dinarik has beaten her before(if I remember right),and clay isn't Vika's best surface anyway.Regardless,even a strong QF showing would be a nice performance for Dinara in re-establishing her game

Aleksandrina
Apr 2nd, 2011, 01:53 PM
First seeded Victoria Azarenka, currently number 8 in the World Ranking WTA and one of the main favorites to crown the tournament title will meet Spaniard Arantxa Parra (ranked nº 62) in the first round. On the same side of the draw Dinara Safina (ranked nº 91) will play Aratnxa Rus (ranked nº 104) from Holland. Right after the draw Safina stressed about her next match: “I know it is not going to be an easy match, since Arantxa is a young player and I will have to be very focused”. Safina said she does not consider herself as one of the favorites of the tournament and that she “will do her best to adapt herself on the clay surface after long performance on hard courts”. Azarenka and Safina could meet in quarterfinals if they overcome all their previous opponents on the way.

http://www.wtatour.ru/index.php?showtopic=48&st=3160

goldenlox
Apr 2nd, 2011, 01:53 PM
If Vika withdraws, which might happen, then thats a very good draw to the semis

Shivank17
Apr 2nd, 2011, 03:01 PM
Dinara is 4-1 life time over Vika. :cheer:
only loss came at IW in 2009. :shrug:

osseous
Apr 3rd, 2011, 01:04 AM
Davai Dinara! :cheer:

Shivank17
Apr 3rd, 2011, 02:57 PM
Dinara will play her first round singles match on Tuesday.
Dinara and Agnes Szavay will play their first round doubles match on Monday,3rd match after 11 on Court 1[Pista 1] against Klaudia Jans and Alicja Rosolka of Poland.

Full Order of Play-Monday (http://www.andaluciatennis.com/files/cuadro_030404.pdf)

DS.Fan.
Apr 3rd, 2011, 03:29 PM
Dinara will play her first round singles match on Tuesday.
Dinara and Agnes Szavay will play their first round doubles match on Monday,3rd match after 11 on Court 1[Pista 1] against Klaudia Jans and Alicja Rosolka of Poland.

Full Order of Play-Monday (http://www.andaluciatennis.com/files/cuadro_030404.pdf)
Davai Girls!!!!:bounce::kiss: Maybe dina will win another doubles title :D

osseous
Apr 3rd, 2011, 11:01 PM
Davai Dinara & Agnes! :cheer:

bruce goose
Apr 4th, 2011, 12:25 AM
Agnes removed any doubt cuz she UNDENIABLY had a relationship with her former coach...and it appeared to mess with her head heavily when things went bad...but,regardless,she IS a talented tennis player who might partner up well with Dinarik in Doubles

C. Drone
Apr 4th, 2011, 11:38 AM
betting sites and others (like fromsport.com) has streams from the first day. yeah, suck it Miami&IW. :o

Vika had a tweet that she is in Madrid. It will be night when she arrives Marbella. I'm pretty sure she'll take the money and lose in first round.

DS.Fan.
Apr 4th, 2011, 02:40 PM
Dinara and Agi won!6-1 6-1!so easy:D
good luck tomorrow!!!:bounce:

pedropt
Apr 4th, 2011, 03:35 PM
Well done girls! :cheer:

DS.Fan.
Apr 4th, 2011, 05:57 PM
who knows the time of her first round??

Aleksandrina
Apr 4th, 2011, 06:29 PM
PISTA CENTRAL
Starting at: 11:00am
Maria-Teresa TORRO-FLOR (ESP)-Tsvetana PIRONKOVA (BUL)
followed by
Estrella CABEZA CANDELA (ESP)-Aravane REZAI (FRA)
followed by
Arantxa RUS (NED)-Dinara SAFINA (RUS)

Nena_xxx
Apr 4th, 2011, 07:19 PM
Will there be live coverage or I'll have to watch it on livescores?

osseous
Apr 4th, 2011, 10:30 PM
Well done girls! :yeah:

Davai Dinara! :cheer:

bruce goose
Apr 5th, 2011, 04:27 AM
Indeed,the Poles were the #2-seeded Dubs team,apparently,so this is a nice win for Dinarik and AgaSza

DS.Fan.
Apr 5th, 2011, 06:14 AM
PISTA CENTRAL
Starting at: 11:00am
Maria-Teresa TORRO-FLOR (ESP)-Tsvetana PIRONKOVA (BUL)
followed by
Estrella CABEZA CANDELA (ESP)-Aravane REZAI (FRA)
followed by
Arantxa RUS (NED)-Dinara SAFINA (RUS)

Thanks Sasha :D:D DinDin :cheer:

C. Drone
Apr 5th, 2011, 08:27 AM
Will there be live coverage or I'll have to watch it on livescores?

as i said in my post earlier, there was livestreams yesterday, all matches on center court. today must be the same.

livescorehunter.com
fromsport.com
myp2p.eu
or betting sites if somebody has a registration (bet365, bet-at-home, etc...)

bruce goose
Apr 5th, 2011, 02:48 PM
Well,I'm not gonna comment on Norby's clever remark about 'Mount Dinara' in the other thread:lol:....I'll just say that I like Dinarik's odds against Pronka if she can halfway control her serve

C. Drone
Apr 5th, 2011, 09:29 PM
..."Pronka" :spit:
her serve wsn't an issue today bruce. Movement on the other hand was sick. Really slow. But that wasn't too big problem when she was agressive. But her pushing moments were painful obviously.

someone hope recorded it. that racket-throw after 1st set colud be a nice a gif. :lol:


3rd match on Wednesday. Hope she won't be tired and moves like a gazelle!!!!!

pedropt
Apr 5th, 2011, 09:42 PM
..."Pronka" :spit:
her serve wsn't an issue today bruce. Movement on the other hand was sick. Really slow. But that wasn't too big problem when she was agressive. But her pushing moments were painful obviously.

someone hope recorded it. that racket-throw after 1st set colud be a nice a gif. :lol:

3rd match on Wednesday. Hope she won't be tired and moves like a gazelle!!!!!

Indeed :rolls:

Good luck for tomorrow Dinara. Please win and curse in Bulgarian :drool:

osseous
Apr 5th, 2011, 11:58 PM
Glad she won! :bounce: Good luck against Pironkova.

Davai, Forza, Vamos, C'mon Dinara! :cheer:

DS.Fan.
Apr 6th, 2011, 01:17 AM
when Dinara will play today??Davai Dinara!!!

Aleksandrina
Apr 6th, 2011, 05:21 PM
:bounce:

http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/910/92898462.png

Nena_xxx
Apr 6th, 2011, 07:06 PM
:banana:

osseous
Apr 6th, 2011, 11:06 PM
:bounce: Good luck against Vika.

Davai Dinara and Agnes! :cheer:

osseous
Apr 6th, 2011, 11:08 PM
Pista 1 (from 13.30hrs)

1. Errani/Vinci vs. Camerin/Cirstea
2. Barrois/Woehr vs. Safina/Szavay (NB 15.30hrs)

bruce goose
Apr 7th, 2011, 03:06 AM
According to the WTA webpage headline,Dinara was 'sizzling' today;does anyone else agree with that assessment or is it a slight exaggeration??Regardless,I'm glad that Dinarik has a QF matchup against a top player

C. Drone
Apr 7th, 2011, 08:48 AM
Well, Tsveti was total hopeless/useless, not really big feat beating her... but Dinara had some great moments. Besides the "mandatory" double-faults, her game wasn't bad. she can't defend really good and sometimes she just forgot to attack (just starts a pointless rally), needs to improve this...

(Vika didn't win her 2nd round... yet. ;) )

goldenlox
Apr 7th, 2011, 03:07 PM
Dinara and Szavay won 11-9 in the tb. Next is Vika

DS.Fan.
Apr 7th, 2011, 03:53 PM
so Vika tomorrow :help::sobbing: anyway,good luck DinDin.
focus on ur match tomorrow:o

bruce goose
Apr 7th, 2011, 04:59 PM
Well, Tsveti was total hopeless/useless, not really big feat beating her... but Dinara had some great moments. Besides the "mandatory" double-faults, her game wasn't bad. she can't defend really good and sometimes she just forgot to attack (just starts a pointless rally), needs to improve this...

(Vika didn't win her 2nd round... yet. ;) )Yeah,I agree,Norby--Tsveti's(or "Pronka's":p) Wimby semi run was even twice as big a fluke as Ana's RG title....but you probably guessed that Vika would manage to win...even on clay...but this is the ideal surface for Dinarik to beat her,I'd say:cool:

C. Drone
Apr 7th, 2011, 08:45 PM
Yeah,I agree,Norby--Tsveti's(or "Pronka's":p) Wimby semi run was even twice as big a fluke as Ana's RG title....but you probably guessed that Vika would manage to win...even on clay...but this is the ideal surface for Dinarik to beat her,I'd say:cool:

i don't know if Dinara gonna win or has any chance, but i'm so sick of the constant crying. Go out and do what she has to. :p

C. Drone
Apr 7th, 2011, 08:46 PM
Pista Central (from 12.00hrs)
1. Alexandra Dulgheru vs. Sara Errani
2. Victoria Azarenka vs. Dinara Safina
3. Lara Arruabarrena-Vecino vs. Svetlana Kuznetsova
4. Klara Zakopalova vs. Irina-Camelia Begu

HowardH
Apr 7th, 2011, 10:18 PM
Hmm, it's true that Pironkova is playing quite poorly of late, so it will be much easier to see if Dina is really on the way back against Vika. Vika will offer a solid test. If Dinara puts up solid resistance, win or not, that would be good. I'm feeling like Dina is getting back to top 30 tennis, maybe top 20 but I haven't seen enough yet. I'm not yet convinced she knows how to return right to the top, but getting to the top 30 would be a vast improvement from where she is anyway. She's hitting harder and more aggressively. But it's still a bit early to be sure. She hits harder but I still feel the nerves in her play somehow. She's a bit on edge, not relaxed, but playing better. Then again, when was she ever relaxed on court? I can't remember... maybe it happened a while ago.

osseous
Apr 7th, 2011, 11:22 PM
Davai Dinara! :cheer:

bruce goose
Apr 8th, 2011, 02:59 PM
Could someone please confirm that Dinara didn't injure her back again?The match was well before the crack of dawn here so I couldn't catch it.I'll be ready to smash some damned windows if it's her back again:(

Aleksandrina
Apr 8th, 2011, 08:12 PM
Saturday, April 9, 2011

Pista Central (from 12.00hrs)
1. Victoria Azarenka vs. Sara Errani
2. Irina-Camelia Begu vs. Svetlana Kuznetsova
3. Llagostera Vives/Parra Santonja vs. Safina/Szavay
4. Errani/Vinci vs. Diatchenko/Niculescu

redsonja
Apr 8th, 2011, 08:38 PM
Saturday, April 9, 2011

Pista Central (from 12.00hrs)
1. Victoria Azarenka vs. Sara Errani
2. Irina-Camelia Begu vs. Svetlana Kuznetsova
3. Llagostera Vives/Parra Santonja vs. Safina/Szavay
4. Errani/Vinci vs. Diatchenko/Niculescu

:tape:

Aleksandrina
Apr 8th, 2011, 08:56 PM
Right now I feel a better... Did MRI and CT was not too bad...will have a try tomorrow in doubs wanna see how it will go...thank u

http://twitter.com/Dinarik27

C. Drone
Apr 8th, 2011, 09:08 PM
:facepalm: she is just beyond hope.

i just... i can't.

She can fight with reality and facts for ever if she wants, but she won't win.

osseous
Apr 8th, 2011, 11:05 PM
Dinara, please. Take good care of yourself.

bruce goose
Apr 9th, 2011, 05:08 AM
:facepalm: she is just beyond hope.

i just... i can't.

She can fight with reality and facts for ever if she wants, but she won't win.Norby,I suspect that we're about equally mortified.....Dinarik is as delusional about her health as the Serb is with her tennis game....I'll be surprised if no one in Dinara's family has a talk with her over THIS one.Is the dubs match THAT important?:o

Aleksandrina
Apr 9th, 2011, 10:43 AM
Yesterday CT and MRI and they were ok, nothing too serious, I got stuck with my back but mostly is that I got very afraid once I felt some

Good morning!!! Went to hit early morning with my coach for to check my back and seems to be ok... So I'll play doubles!!! Did everything

http://twitter.com/Dinarik27

redsonja
Apr 9th, 2011, 03:41 PM
Surprise! :rolleyes:

Okay, maybe it was Agnes's back. :p

bruce goose
Apr 9th, 2011, 03:42 PM
The Spaniards just won the doubles match by retirement at 3-2 in the first set,but I learned that by checking the scoreboard and didn't actually SEE what happened.In theory,Szavay could've been the one who retired,but does anyone here believe that at this moment??

So,Dinara:
1.You felt back pain similar to that which almost ended your career
2.You're aware that you could easily re-aggravate that condition
3.You had merely a puny-ass doubles match at an MM tourney....AFTER defaulting from your singles match....

.....And you decided to play ANYway???:facepalm: ad infinitum

HowardH
Apr 9th, 2011, 03:44 PM
Shall we guess whose injury caused the retirement? Both these girls have a history of back problems but Dina's is probably more severe, so the smart money is on her. Well, the really smart money is on "a back injury to one/or both players".

Dina, just because you feel a little peppy in the morning doesn't mean you've rehabbed your back. Please heal it so you can actually play properly.

It'd actually be hilarious if the retirement was because of a twisted ankle or GI illness or something. I might prefer that. Those heal faster than backs.

DS.Fan.
Apr 9th, 2011, 03:45 PM
:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: retired from doubles too!
dont touch ur racket from now!at least have a enough rest:(
dont be silly!!!!:fiery:

C. Drone
Apr 9th, 2011, 04:00 PM
i was reading yesterday what people wrote her on twitter... and i'm fuckin tired this "come back soon" shit, because that is what she is doing all the time, and its fuckin stupid. Don't say that to her! A big bunch of twits sounds like this and you can see how big remorse she has just because she coudn't finish her singles match... no wonder if she "believes" she needs come back to show her "twitties" she is "fighting" and "never give up"... okay, she has more serious reasons to act Dumbo than this, but still. :o

DS.Fan.
Apr 9th, 2011, 04:10 PM
for me,the people who is still talking something like "come back soon" "fighting" is not really care her and maybe even hate her!:(:(
real fans would think of "which is good for her" first!
she is not so sober so dont try to mess her head again :o

redsonja
Apr 9th, 2011, 04:19 PM
i was reading yesterday what people wrote her on twitter... and i'm fuckin tired this "come back soon" shit, because that is what she is doing all the time, and its fuckin stupid. Don't say that to her!
Oh, I hate that too. I'm like, stop encouraging her! Dumbasses.

Dominika23
Apr 9th, 2011, 06:39 PM
get well Safina her next event Grand Prix de SAR La Princesse Lalla Meryem i think that start on 18th I hope she can recover fast enough. But nine outta ten she wont so don't want her to hurt herself even more

bruce goose
Apr 9th, 2011, 07:09 PM
Just realized that Dinara's objective is to achieve the WTA WHEELCHAIR Grand Slam so that she can become the Steffi Graf of Tenis Silla de Ruedas.Currently,Dinarik is too able-bodied to qualify for wheelchair tennis...but our favorite masochist is doing her best to change that:eek:

serenawilliams00
Apr 9th, 2011, 07:21 PM
Surprise! :rolleyes:

Okay, maybe it was Agnes's back. :p

Yes, unfortunately it was Agi's back.:sad::sad::sad:

bruce goose
Apr 9th, 2011, 07:35 PM
Yes, unfortunately it was Agi's back.:sad::sad::sad:REALLY???Though I don't have any ill will at all towards AgaSza,I suspect that her back isn't in as delicate condition as Dinarik's so,if it had to happen to one of the two,I'm glad it wasn't Dinara.....Still,best wishes to sweet Agnes

HowardH
Apr 9th, 2011, 09:50 PM
Shall we guess whose injury caused the retirement? Both these girls have a history of back problems but Dina's is probably more severe, so the smart money is on her. Well, the really smart money is on "a back injury to one/or both players".

Yes, unfortunately it was Agi's back.:sad::sad::sad:

No wonder they get along. They're back injury twinsies. :hearts:

Agi may have been the one who retired but I'm pretty sure Dina's back isn't in the best of shape either. It's probably for the best for her too that they stopped. Time to rest up.

redsonja
Apr 9th, 2011, 10:09 PM
Yes, unfortunately it was Agi's back.:sad::sad::sad:

Was it actually, or is that just what it said on the official site? Because those tweets from Dinara sure as hell sound like it was hers.

Dinarik27 Di...27
Sadly but the tournament is over... Tomorrow going to Madrid to see my doctor and probably will have to do again some check and some more

Stuff... Probably 1 more MRI because my doctor needs to do it on his machine... Today when I was warming up i've got again pain in my back

It's very sad... Now I'll have to wait for my doctor and gonna decide what I'm gonna do... Uffff I don't know anymore what to think or to do

That does not sound like "Agnes's back was too painful for her to play, so we had to retire".

HowardH
Apr 9th, 2011, 10:15 PM
Hmm, well that's just what it said on the wta site. So it's also possible that it's Dina's back. The tweets certainly point in that direction. Either way it doesn't seem like Dina's feeling her best. Those tweets are worrying and confirm what everyone thinks- her back needs a lot more time and recuperation.

Melange
Apr 10th, 2011, 01:50 AM
i was reading yesterday what people wrote her on twitter... and i'm fuckin tired this "come back soon" shit, because that is what she is doing all the time, and its fuckin stupid. Don't say that to her! A big bunch of twits sounds like this and you can see how big remorse she has just because she coudn't finish her singles match... no wonder if she "believes" she needs come back to show her "twitties" she is "fighting" and "never give up"... okay, she has more serious reasons to act Dumbo than this, but still. :o

This is so true :D I cant believe how stupid these twitties are encouraging her to keep coming back. You would not think a player would be influenced to rush her rehab to avoid diappointing her fans, but with Dinara you just dont know. She sounds so eager to please her twitties, it could be her best and worst quality. On Anna's FB there are fans wishing her a good recovery, then a week later they will be asking her when are you returning, we are waiting for you.

Melange
Apr 10th, 2011, 02:00 AM
get well Safina her next event Grand Prix de SAR La Princesse Lalla Meryem i think that start on 18th I hope she can recover fast enough. But nine outta ten she wont so don't want her to hurt herself even more

You can be sure she wont be ready. She needs a season off the tour and probably major surgery. She can get all the mris she wants but its not going to help

Shivank17
Apr 10th, 2011, 05:16 AM
why on earth did she play doubles SFs in the first place,after she was injured the previous day !! :o :facepalm: :rolleyes:

serenawilliams00
Apr 10th, 2011, 06:07 AM
Was it actually, or is that just what it said on the official site? Because those tweets from Dinara sure as hell sound like it was hers.



That does not sound like "Agnes's back was too painful for her to play, so we had to retire".

"Yesterday I was not able to serve(because of my back),so we deciced we give up this match" - Agi

redsonja
Apr 10th, 2011, 07:50 AM
"Yesterday I was not able to serve(because of my back),so we deciced we give up this match" - Agi

Well, they're both disasters, then. :lol:

You can be sure she wont be ready. She needs a season off the tour and probably major surgery. She can get all the mris she wants but its not going to help
If she needs surgery, she's screwed. When I had that injury they told me surgery was an option, but the chances of it going wrong are so high that I shouldn't do it unless my back was seriously affecting my day-to-day quality of life, for example, if I was in so much pain that it was consistently hard to get out of bed and walk around. I know she's said it's sore sometimes in the morning, but I'm sure that's because she's trying to force her back to cooperate in playing professional level sports, not because she's debilitated to that degree.

There's no reason she shouldn't be able to live a regular life with this injury. She just may not be able to be a professional athlete with it.

C. Drone
Apr 10th, 2011, 10:16 AM
just wondering.... double retirement happened before somewhere? or just had not enough space to write both name there? :lol: what a mess :sad:

i don't think surgery should be an option. One of my friend had a low back surgery, he was much much worse shape than Di or Ági...
But tennis and physical workout needs a much healthier back than they have right now.

Melange
Apr 10th, 2011, 11:07 AM
Dinara's back is probably worse but she was more determined not to retire.

DS.Fan.
Apr 10th, 2011, 01:14 PM
omg,they r real dream team :hearts: I love them :hearts::o
I guess even if doctor tells her dont play but she still will come back soon :rolleyes:
Take care of urself :(

bruce goose
Apr 11th, 2011, 03:02 AM
just wondering.... double retirement happened before somewhere? or just had not enough space to write both name there? :lol: what a mess :sad:Well,Norby,it may have been something like.......

Dinara: Pssst,Aga,would you tell everyone that it was YOUR back that was acting up??That way,I won't look quite so dim-witted for resting fewer than 24 hrs.--for an MM Dubs match,no less--after suffering a flare-up of my near-career-ender:angel:
Aga: Sure,Dinarik,gal pals are born to be facilitators...even when their friends are masochists like you:)

I can respect the idea that some posters might want less input from Dinara's family,but I'd LOVE to eavesdrop and hear their comments on THIS

C. Drone
Apr 11th, 2011, 08:35 AM
:facepalm: no, Bruce, nobody is faking anything. Agi has legit back injury too...

(and not Aga, or AgaSza... you are quite bad with these nicks.)

bruce goose
Apr 11th, 2011, 12:07 PM
:facepalm: no, Bruce, nobody is faking anything. Agi has legit back injury too...

(and not Aga, or AgaSza... you are quite bad with these nicks.)It's my personal nickname for her,so it works fine for ME:p despite your whining...but I promise to not invent any new ones for Dinara,okay?:angel:

C. Drone
Apr 17th, 2011, 09:57 AM
i don't think we need a new thread... so maybe just post Fes stuff here. :p

DS.Fan.
Apr 17th, 2011, 01:37 PM
i don't think we need a new thread... so maybe just post Fes stuff here. :p

agree!!!we neednt another one until the end of the clay season :p
DinDin,good luckin Fes although i am unhappy u r there :o
take care of urself pls pls pls!dont play if it's painful again :rolleyes:

Shivank17
Apr 17th, 2011, 02:18 PM
Ya,I will change the Thread's name. :p
And btw here is the Main Draw Singles-

(1/WC)Aravane Rezai(FRA) v Arantxa Rus(NED)
(WC)Nadia Lalami(MAR) v Misaki Doi(JPN)
Qualifier v Kirsten Flipkens(BEL)
Qualifier v (8)Jelena Dokic(AUS)

(4)Greta Arn(HUN) v Patricia Mayr-Achleitner(AUT)
Reneta Voracova(CZE) v Qualifier
Nina Bratchikova(RUS) v Alla Kudryavtseva(RUS)
Anastasiya Yakimova(RUS) v (7)Simona Halep(ROU)

(5)Angelique Kerber(GER) v Ksenia Pervak(RUS)
Alberta Brianti(ITA) v Laura Pous-Tio(ESP)
Chanelle Scheepers(RSA) v Polona Hercog(SLO)
Melanie Oudin(USA) v (3)Lourdes Dominguez-Lino(ESP)

(8)Alize Cornet(FRA) v Andrea Hlavackova(CZE)
Dinara Safina(RUS) v Jill Craybas(USA)
Anastasia Pivovarova(RUS) v (wc)Fatima El Allami(MAR)
Q v (2)Yaraslova Shvedova(KAZ)

Shivank17
Apr 17th, 2011, 02:22 PM
Let's keep this for International events-Marbella,Fes and Barcelona.
We will make a new one for Premier Events-Madrid and Rome and then another for RG!

bruce goose
Apr 17th, 2011, 03:25 PM
Let's keep this for International events-Marbella,Fes and Barcelona.
We will make a new one for Premier Events-Madrid and Rome and then another for RG!Yes,that's a very reasonable thread-naming proposition;let's hope that Dinarik's back can LAST thru that entire clay-court stretch:eek:

Ashi
Apr 17th, 2011, 03:45 PM
Has she confirmed that she is playing?

redsonja
Apr 17th, 2011, 04:03 PM
Has she confirmed that she is playing?

In Fes? Well, she's there. I assume not just to hang out.

Ashi
Apr 17th, 2011, 04:18 PM
You don't need to be sarcastic all the time. It was an innocent question. :rolleyes:

Any word on how her back is holding up?

Aleksandrina
Apr 17th, 2011, 06:32 PM
Doubles Draw

(1) Hlavackova/Voracova v (wc) Botto/Lalami
(wc) Bennani/El Allami v Rolle/Washington
(4) Jugic-Salkic/Jurak v Lee-Waters/Moulton-Levy
Hercog/Pervak v Kudryavtseva/Ar.Rodionova

Bratchikova/Klemenschits v Craybas/Scheepers
Stephens/Vedy v (3) Daniilidou/Panova
Dekmeijere/Moore v Safina/Voskoboeva
Begu/Bogdan v (2) Cornet/Olaru

bruce goose
Apr 18th, 2011, 12:16 AM
Though I'm not a doctor(no smart remarks,please:p),wouldn't it better for Dinarik to take it easier by playing singles only until she's more certain that her back is okay??....Or is she able to derive her conclusions well enough from vigorous practice time??

C. Drone
Apr 18th, 2011, 08:47 AM
if she's not playing doubles, she would go just practicing. You all know her very well... :o

i can believe this back injury at MArbella is not the old one, but still covering with stupidity.


if i remeber last year there was livestreams from Fes. Hope we can see her.

C. Drone
Apr 18th, 2011, 03:16 PM
they're showing local girls 1st round doubles match right now. Too bad Dinara/Galina didn't draw them. :o

bruce goose
Apr 18th, 2011, 05:29 PM
they're showing local girls 1st round doubles match right now. Too bad Dinara/Galina didn't draw them. :oThe two lovely amazons just dropped double breadsticks on their helpless opponents:cool:...only one BP faced(saved it) and two DFs...no word on whether they were Galya's or Dinarik's;)

C. Drone
Apr 18th, 2011, 07:39 PM
^ 1DF was from Dinara for sure, i don't know the rest... didn't followed closely. They can win this doubles title too, if they keep things together.

Tuesday 11AM start (GMT)
1. Nadia Lalami vs. Misaki Doi
2. Anastasia Pivovarova vs. Fatima Zahrae El Allami
3. Dinara Safina vs. Jill Craybas

all center court matches were on livestream today, should be the same tomorrow.

redsonja
Apr 18th, 2011, 07:43 PM
Oooh, I might even make it home in time. I'm gonna need at least one of you first two matches to go three sets, okay?

C. Drone
Apr 18th, 2011, 07:48 PM
i wouldn't put all my eggs into local girls' basket... although their opponents are not that big either. :lol:

4 seeds plays other courts and only 1 seed on main court, coz the local girls. hope they can show something. :spit:

GoConchi
Apr 18th, 2011, 10:05 PM
Good luck Dinara! Hope her back behaves.

bruce goose
Apr 18th, 2011, 10:17 PM
^ 1DF was from Dinara for sure, i don't know the rest... didn't followed closely. They can win this doubles title too, if they keep things together.

Tuesday 11AM start (GMT)
1. Nadia Lalami vs. Misaki Doi
2. Anastasia Pivovarova vs. Fatima Zahrae El Allami
3. Dinara Safina vs. Jill CraybasJust glad that it was "1" and not "1-6"...and that Dinara hasn't entered the Fes Wheelchair Draw yet...something tells me the grand prize probably isn't too high for THAT one;)

pedropt
Apr 18th, 2011, 10:38 PM
Good luck Dinara! :cheer:

DS.Fan.
Apr 19th, 2011, 02:23 AM
the doubles was so easy for them!Well done!the 3rd one today?bad,it's too late for me.maybe I'll wait for it:) Good Luck Dinara!hope back is fine.

bruce goose
Apr 19th, 2011, 03:56 AM
Dinara inched up from #75 to 74 this week in the rankings---at that pace,we can expect her to crack the Top Ten in around late July 2012....Baby Steps:woohoo:

Aleksandrina
Apr 19th, 2011, 05:41 AM
Good luck!

Shivank17
Apr 19th, 2011, 02:40 PM
Safina on court! :cheer:
Warming up.
Will serve first!
Live Stream (http://www.livescorehunter.com/index.php?option=com_lsh&view=lsh&event_id=46022&tv_id=411&tid=6101&channel=0&tmpl=component&layout=popup&Itemid=286)

DS.Fan.
Apr 19th, 2011, 02:46 PM
Safina on court! :cheer:
Warming up.
Will serve first!
Live Stream (http://www.livescorehunter.com/index.php?option=com_lsh&view=lsh&event_id=46022&tv_id=411&tid=6101&channel=0&tmpl=component&layout=popup&Itemid=286)

Thank u!!:kiss: I cant open the scoreboard but the livestream works for me :lol:

Ashi
Apr 19th, 2011, 02:50 PM
Thanks Shivank! :D

DS.Fan.
Apr 19th, 2011, 03:46 PM
Well done!!!the opponent played bad but still happy for DinDin :kiss:
next is Cornet? :help: do u remember 09AO?Cornet played like a disater for a long time after that lose to Dinara:tape:

Shivank17
Apr 19th, 2011, 03:54 PM
Next is the winner of the match between (8)Cornet and Andrea Hlavackova.

C. Drone
Apr 19th, 2011, 03:55 PM
that 3 matches back then, Hopmancup, Sydney, AO was a bit cruel... she has the right to dislike Dinara. :p

but her game isn't that dangerous for Dinara. Still, this should be close, i guess.

DS.Fan.
Apr 19th, 2011, 04:12 PM
Dinara played well at 1st set.really didnt understand what happened suddenly?!that girl had no chance if dinara didnt choke crazy.but it was a bit cruel for Cornet indeed :p but now dont know.hope dinara will not give her chance to revenge

bruce goose
Apr 19th, 2011, 05:03 PM
Dinara was fortunate to get paired with her personal crash-test dummy,Craybas;Dinarik has now kicked her around once more to attain a 6-0 H2H.4 DFs but no BPs faced and the match was won inside an hour...so we should be happy,right?:p

HowardH
Apr 20th, 2011, 07:25 AM
An good match-up for her, but a nice run through nonetheless.

bruce goose
Apr 20th, 2011, 05:12 PM
An good match-up for her, but a nice run through nonetheless.Cornet was leading 6-3,5-3 when her match with Hlavackova:hearts: was suspended...don't know if she served it out or broke for the match but it's set now...and,with Rezai knocked out now,it really is an easier-than-normal draw for Dinara to kick some tail!:cool:

Noctis
Apr 20th, 2011, 11:57 PM
Dinara lets go and win tommorow!
hope your back is ok, Anna is sick :sad: Williams sister is injured, Na li and JIe Zheng and Shushu slumpp andnot playing.

I love you :kiss:

DS.Fan.
Apr 21st, 2011, 04:33 AM
play doubles and singles at the same day today?if her back can bear it?Pray....

bruce goose
Apr 21st, 2011, 04:38 AM
Dinara is in the featured image for the Tennis TV link on the WTA webpage,so apparently there are some other folks who wanna see more of her again,too

C. Drone
Apr 21st, 2011, 05:14 PM
63 64 in doubles. 81% 1st serves, 0 DF. looks like back is alright, or i don't know.

C. Drone
Apr 21st, 2011, 05:15 PM
solid win against Cornet. Bit strugled in 2nd.

next is her "twitterbuddy", A. Pivovarova. (considering Yari Shvedova was more injured this year than Dinara, maybe its not surprise)

Shivank17
Apr 21st, 2011, 05:30 PM
Nastya shouldn't be tough.
This tournament is very much winnable for Dinara now!

bruce goose
Apr 21st, 2011, 08:21 PM
Agreed---as Twilight Zonish as it sounds,Dinarik is probably the favorite to win this tournament now....With the exception of the gritty Greta Arn,no one else but Dinarik has ever even won a title

DS.Fan.
Apr 22nd, 2011, 01:32 AM
If her back is good(I really doubt it),then she is the favourite one to win the title...but I'm worried if she can finish the travel from Fes to Frech Open.anyway,good luck DinDin.

bruce goose
Apr 22nd, 2011, 03:56 AM
If her back is good(I really doubt it),then she is the favourite one to win the title...but I'm worried if she can finish the travel from Fes to FreNch Open.anyway,good luck DinDin.Remember,Tracy,she doesn't like being called 'DinDin',apparently;)

DS.Fan.
Apr 22nd, 2011, 04:55 AM
Remember,Tracy,she doesn't like being called 'DinDin',apparently;)

it's ok.i dont call her like that on twitter :p

Shivank17
Apr 22nd, 2011, 07:03 AM
I think she doesn't like being called Dina,she tweeted 2-3 days ago.

C. Drone
Apr 22nd, 2011, 10:24 AM
Agreed---as Twilight Zonish as it sounds,Dinarik is probably the favorite to win this tournament now....With the exception of the gritty Greta Arn,no one else but Dinarik has ever even won a title
cmon, she was before the draw. :lol: top seeds, Rezai is pretty awful, Yari mostly injured, Dokic w/d, and Cornet being 8th seed is kinda a joke... its just Dinara's back makes everything doubtful.

I think she doesn't like being called Dina,she tweeted 2-3 days ago.
which is not the first time. :oh:

bruce goose
Apr 22nd, 2011, 03:07 PM
cmon, she was before the draw. :lol: top seeds, Rezai is pretty awful, Yari mostly injured, Dokic w/d, and Cornet being 8th seed is kinda a joke... its just Dinara's back makes everything doubtful.Yeah,Norby,I can't argue with you that those seeds weren't very intimidating but,since Dinarik hasn't even advanced to a SF in what seems like ages,I didn't wanna be too presumptious.....and now we have this drama with the Moroccan flood......Looking at Dinara's 0 DFs,should we assume that she's been serving up puffballs just to keep the serves in play??

DS.Fan.
Apr 22nd, 2011, 05:39 PM
How she chould play with such a body:( the girl is so crazy!!! dont joke with ur health DinDin:(

C. Drone
Apr 22nd, 2011, 05:48 PM
so what happened: eat something bad, couldn't sleep well, throwing up at morning, couldn't warm up, throwing up during rain delays in lockerroom.

She couldn't move well, jump or serve (just spinning in 1st serves, 70-80mph maybe).
i was sure it wasn't her back, because her groundstrokes were good. A bit weaker after 1st set, but was alright. When her back hurts she hits hopeless moonballs usually, but not today.

(maybe there is some connection between her bad back and stomach-cramps, but who the hell knows...)

bruce goose
Apr 22nd, 2011, 08:00 PM
Okay,fellow Dinatards,feel free to disagree--even with harsh criticism:angel:---but this tournament follows an interesting storyline for Dinara,IMO:

1st Round--Her personal crash-test dummy,Craybas...a good confidence re-builder
2nd Round--Cornet,she of the epic AO 2009 choke vs. Dinarik
QF--A marathon vs. her OTHER,skinny Nastya friend(though Myskina seems to have filled out somewhat via motherhood while Pivo,though lovely in the face,is nutritionally challenged)
SF--Brianti,a player Dinara has faced only once previously...in the semis when she last won a title...at the unforgettable Portoroz event when so many griped that a #1 would play there
Final--I can't think of anything compelling about Flipkens...the only thing interesting in re 'Flipper' is that she's all alone as a mediocre Belgian...the others are either great or legendary players...or ITF-caliber.Halep,on the other hand,reached her only previous final at Fes LAST year...and she's a youngster who supposedly had breast-reduction surgery to keep from tipping forward too much when running down drop shots

Anyhow,we can agree that this doesn't qualify as a killer draw...but it doesn't matter because this is a nice forward stride in Dinara's Baby Steps Plan...she had the wrong Spanish-speaking country when she first chose Argentina to come back:p

C. Drone
Apr 22nd, 2011, 08:05 PM
of course Brinati played 3hours with Oudin...
Considering Oudin sucks on clay badly and nowadays has problems with ITF 25-50k torunaments, this doesn't too convincing from the italian. But Dinara will be very tired.

Noctis
Apr 22nd, 2011, 09:00 PM
Dinara wouldnt be tired because she played today.I dont think it was 3h 28 :o not many games went to deuces.
I think its more about how well she recover from her stomach problem. Hope she plays 2nd match.

C. Drone
Apr 22nd, 2011, 09:29 PM
yeah, i think match wasn't longer than 2hour 15min, wasn't a really exhausting match. If she had something after match and tomorrow morning she can be alright. She is tough cookie.

but weather forecast doesn't look nice. :o

bruce goose
Apr 22nd, 2011, 10:16 PM
Not trying to be mean to Alberta or anything,but she's the sort of player that Dinara should expect to beat even when less than 100%.It's one thing if her back acts up again...otherwise,she'd better come up with some damned good excuses:lol:

makini
Apr 22nd, 2011, 11:49 PM
I still don't even know how she won that match. I thought that she was going to pass out during the first set! I just hope that it was nothing too serious!

bruce goose
Apr 23rd, 2011, 04:27 AM
Though it's probably foolish of me to be optimistic,I'll ASSUME that Dinara's back is not the current issue if we haven't heard anything yet...time will tell:unsure:

DS.Fan.
Apr 23rd, 2011, 04:34 AM
I still don't even know how she won that match. I thought that she was going to pass out during the first set! I just hope that it was nothing too serious!

me too!she is amazing!I guess that's why I love her.she is a fighter(a bit crazy) but I dont like she ignores her health sometimes :( :sad:

Shivank17
Apr 23rd, 2011, 05:18 AM
No matter Andrea Petkovic said to me on twitter " @Shivank17 Men or women? Well, Marat Safin I guess but the Russians are all crazy- in a positive way! (http://twitter.com/#!/andreapetkovic/status/61489678225915905)":hysteric: When I asked her ,her Fav. Russian player or tour.

Ashi
Apr 23rd, 2011, 06:19 AM
Andrea has good taste in russian men. :lol:

ئاري احمد
Apr 23rd, 2011, 09:21 AM
The permanent hope of winning the JD Saviasrahp combat large even in the DT group and the first since the first
Half have had problems and she was holding her stomach since the beginning of the game and is the thing that is clear
It increased in the second group, which was found Safina is not a stand-alone without combat
Remember the points .. Praise be to God, good rains that poured in Fez and postponed the game in more than
Than one occasion helped dinars to rest and rest ..
Mbrowok dinars and success in the role of the half

ئاري احمد
Apr 23rd, 2011, 09:29 AM
Explicitly combat large even in the DT group and the first since the first
Half have had problems and she was holding her stomach since the beginning of the game and is the thing that is clear
It increased in the second group, which was found Safina is not a stand-alone without combat
Remember the points .. Praise be to God, good rains that poured in Fez and postponed the game in more than
Than one occasion helped dinars to rest and rest ..
Mbrowok dinars and success in the role of the half

bruce goose
Apr 23rd, 2011, 02:14 PM
Well,folks,I'm disappointed that Dinarik had to withdraw,but we can be sure that it must've been serious if she passed up a SF....Let's just hope that Dinara takes whatever time necessary--no matter how long--to recover properly.TE AMAMOS,DINARIK!!:bounce::kiss:

C. Drone
Apr 23rd, 2011, 06:56 PM
bad luck every week.
first the bad draws, now injuries and sickness. whats next?
a lot of bad karma, but why? :o

bruce goose
Apr 23rd, 2011, 07:37 PM
bad luck every week.
first the bad draws, now injuries and sickness. whats next?
a lot of bad karma, but why? :oWell,from how I've seen it explained,"karma" is a strange,screwy thing that defies logic...so it's better not to depend or dwell on it:lol:....We HAVE seen some signs of progress,though,so at least we have SOME reasons to be cautiously optimistic....Will Dinarik need to skip Barcelona or is she headed there??

osseous
Apr 23rd, 2011, 11:31 PM
Get well soon, Dinara! :hug:

spiceboy
Apr 24th, 2011, 12:04 AM
Will Dinarik need to skip Barcelona or is she headed there??

Dinara has withdrawn from Barcelona.

DS.Fan.
Apr 24th, 2011, 02:50 AM
Dinara has withdrawn from Barcelona.

Really?good girl.I always hoped she can withdraw from there but the food poisoning is so serious :sobbing: have a good rest and get well soon :hug::smooch:

bruce goose
Apr 24th, 2011, 04:35 AM
Dinara has withdrawn from Barcelona.Thanks for the update;too bad she had to WD but it's probably better for Dinarik to do so

Shivank17
Apr 24th, 2011, 06:00 AM
She withdrew?! Thank God. :o
Have some good rest girl and then surprise everyone at Madrid. :rocker2:

Ashi
Apr 24th, 2011, 06:05 AM
Will she qualify for the MD in madrid, based on her performance at Fes?

DS.Fan.
Apr 24th, 2011, 06:22 AM
Dinara was given the Madrid's wildcard! I have a Q she'll not go to barcelona so how about the WC of it?it's wasted or it wouldnt be counted?

ئاري احمد
Apr 24th, 2011, 07:06 AM
Unfortunately, DT withdraw from the tournament Fas .. Cause abdominal pain .. Caused difficulty in breathing and physical fatigue
God heal my Safina .. Invincible thing really .. Begun to improve after the injury almost destroys her career
Professionalism .. Having appeared in Fas .. And reached the semi-finals .. After the dream we all hope the title of cultivated flowers
And met him in the psyche of DT ... Back injury, and to deprive them of that

Shivank17
Apr 24th, 2011, 08:51 AM
Dinara was given the Madrid's wildcard! I have a Q she'll not go to barcelona so how about the WC of it?it's wasted or it wouldnt be counted?

I think she was a direct entry at Barcelona,like at Fes.
That means she has one WC preserved for Rome right? :hearts:

C. Drone
Apr 24th, 2011, 09:28 AM
Dinara was given the Madrid's wildcard! I have a Q she'll not go to barcelona so how about the WC of it?it's wasted or it wouldnt be counted?

she w/d before making MD, i don't think its wasted. But there are smarter people herer than me.

me think she used 2 (Miami, Marbella), 4 other WC left.

C. Drone
Apr 24th, 2011, 09:30 AM
Will she qualify for the MD in madrid, based on her performance at Fes?

Tournaments acceptance list are made 6 weeks prior tournaments. Afaik, there is only one week between Fes and Madrid. :hug:
Still, Madrid MD needs at least top50 ranking. Even with her Fes points, she is not in top50.

DS.Fan.
Apr 24th, 2011, 09:50 AM
she w/d before making MD, i don't think its wasted. But there are smarter people herer than me.

me think she used 2 (Miami, Marbella), 4 other WC left.

Thanks Norbi!!!Finally I get it :worship: she still has 4 WC :hearts:

I think she was a direct entry at Barcelona,like at Fes.
That means she has one WC preserved for Rome right? :hearts:
Madrid&Rome :hearts: Dinara has a huge chance to get a lot of points before FO :drool: hope her back will not make any trouble! :rolleyes:

Ashi
Apr 24th, 2011, 09:53 AM
Tournaments acceptance list are made 6 weeks prior tournaments. Afaik, there is only one week between Fes and Madrid. :hug:
Still, Madrid MD needs at least top50 ranking. Even with her Fes points, she is not in top50.
:oh: :o Thanks.

Let's hope for a good draw at Madrid. :rolleyes:

Ashi
Apr 24th, 2011, 09:54 AM
I do hope her ranking improves at least by a few spots. I think last year's stuttgart points come off?. :shrug:

C. Drone
Apr 24th, 2011, 10:07 AM
yeah, she won 130 in Fes. After next week, she'll lose 120. (Stuttgart is not the same week as last year.)
then there is nothing to defend until US hc season.

Shivank17
Apr 24th, 2011, 10:21 AM
It's actually good tournaments have their cut off list made 6 weeks before,this ensures Dinara is in the Main draw of RG for sure. :hearts: but hope she doesn't draw a top 20 seed in the first round. :rolleyes:
Let's see what she does at Madrid and Rome now,hope her stomach will be ok. :shrug: :awww:

Ashi
Apr 24th, 2011, 10:27 AM
As the saying in Hindi goes 'Uske Sir pe Shani Hai'. There have been dark clouds over head for nearly a year and a half. :o

I prefer to justify it this way, rather than some bad Karma on dinara's part. :p

Hopefully, things will look up. :)

bruce goose
Apr 24th, 2011, 10:24 PM
Marion got the #1 seed as a late-entry WC:lol:;suffice it to stay,Barcelona won't be as prestigious as Madrid....Still,it's better that Dinarik got her rest:)

bruce goose
Apr 27th, 2011, 04:58 PM
Still remember Dinarik's face from when she was standing on the winners' platform in Madrid 2 years ago...seems sort of unreal now:o

Aleksandrina
Apr 29th, 2011, 01:35 PM
Madrid

[1]Wozniacki vs Morita
Arn vs Jovanovski
Q vs [WC] Safina
Goerges vs [11]Kanepi

bruce goose
Apr 29th, 2011, 04:44 PM
Interesting potential 3rd Round matchup between Dinarik and her 2009 Finals victim

Ashi
Apr 29th, 2011, 04:48 PM
:scared:

First Goerges, then Caro.
I'm hoping she beats the qualifier. :lol:

DS.Fan.
Apr 29th, 2011, 05:12 PM
This draw OMG :help:
ok good luck 1st round :(

Ashi
Apr 29th, 2011, 05:33 PM
Well, this draw is not totally unexpected for someone who's 74 in the world.

Getting Goerges in the 2nd round is a bit unlucky. :shrug:

C. Drone
Apr 29th, 2011, 05:55 PM
well, getting someone like Sveta in 1st round is easier then Görges in 2nd. :p
not like Julia will be some GOAT from now on. ;)

honestly i hope Dinara just lose early or tanks. i don't want Caro to beat her. Would be a free win seeing Dinara's last weeks.
although if both would have good form... Dinara's game can be really effective against Caro.

osseous
Apr 30th, 2011, 01:34 AM
Davai Dinara! :cheer:

bruce goose
Apr 30th, 2011, 04:36 AM
honestly i hope Dinara just lose early or tanks. i don't want Caro to beat her.
although if both would have good form... Dinara's game can be really effective against Caro.It wouldn't be as bad or embarrassing as if ANA beat her:p...but you're right that peak or even quasi-peak Dinarik could cause lots of problems for her potential Polish Dane opponent

C. Drone
Apr 30th, 2011, 10:59 AM
It wouldn't be as bad or embarrassing as if ANA beat her:p...but you're right that peak or even quasi-peak Dinarik could cause lots of problems for her potential Polish Dane opponent

losing to Ana is embarrassing for everyone. :tape: or... i don't want to say out loud what i really think about her. :lol: At least Caro tries to do something on court to be relevant.

bruce goose
Apr 30th, 2011, 03:25 PM
losing to Ana is embarrassing for everyone. :tape: or... i don't want to say out loud what i really think about her. :lol: At least Caro tries to do something on court to be relevant.Perhaps we should be somewhat concerned now that Dinara has established a sort of casual friendship with the Serb,but I'd like to think that she has too much motivation to emulate that lazy lingerie model(PART-time tennis player).If anything,Dinarik sometimes is OVERLY motivated when it comes to not waiting sufficient time to recuperate from injuries:eek:

C. Drone
Apr 30th, 2011, 09:11 PM
1st round on monday. Its better she gets more time to recover. And TV coverage starts on monday, maybe we'll see it somehow.

bruce goose
May 1st, 2011, 05:28 AM
1st round on monday. Its better she gets more time to recover. And TV coverage starts on monday, maybe we'll see it somehow.Wonder if they gave Dinarik maximum recovery time as payback for the excellent performance she offered them in 2009.I still haven't checked who her opponent is,but I saw the earlier Q-results and Dinara should be able to well handle most of them

Ashi
May 1st, 2011, 05:36 AM
DinDin plays qualifier Nuria Llagostera Vives of Spain in round 1.

DS.Fan.
May 1st, 2011, 06:56 AM
dont know this player well:( good luck DinDin..at least pass the 1st round.

Ashi
May 1st, 2011, 07:02 AM
Nuria is a good claycourter. But Dinara should be able to hit through her.

ئاري احمد
May 1st, 2011, 09:39 AM
QUALIFIER vs Safina
DT will clash in the first round b Goerges German

Who long ago won the Stuttgart and if I go back them face Wozniacki in the second round if the violin back from the first round

All the best to Safina confrontations and difficult challenge Qowi the exercise of faith and trust

bruce goose
May 1st, 2011, 02:59 PM
Nuria is a good claycourter. But Dinara should be able to hit through her.Are you sure that you can maintain a clear perspective after you were dazzled by those pics with Marat?:lol:My impression is that this surface sort of impedes stronger players from hitting through weaker ones so much,but Dinarik did win their only previous encounter....I think it was in Toronto

C. Drone
May 1st, 2011, 03:43 PM
^^ well, higher altitude means higher bounce, so some taller players are more comfortable with their swings, smallers can have difficulties.
And there are rumours that the clay base under the court isn't that thick, feels too much like concrete. So it can be faster.

but there were easier Q players, than NLV. but i don't really care if she lose this. Or Julia.

bruce goose
May 1st, 2011, 03:50 PM
^^ well, higher altitude means higher bounce, so some taller players are more comfortable with their swings, smallers can have difficulties.
And there are rumours that the clay base under the court isn't that thick, feels too much like concrete. So it can be faster.

but there were easier Q players, than NLV. but i don't really care if she lose this. Or Julia.Thanks for the input,Norby...as NLV is under 5'2",a higher bounce would definitely be easier for Dinara to handle:lol:.Btw,Dinarik only needs to win one match to outdo the other Sucky Server Twin:p

Ashi
May 1st, 2011, 03:56 PM
but i don't really care if she lose this. Or Julia.
Why ever not, may I ask? :p

DS.Fan.
May 1st, 2011, 04:10 PM
hope it's not so diffcult for dindin to play :unsure:
if the way she lose like Ana's,I would die :rolleyes:

bruce goose
May 1st, 2011, 05:06 PM
hope it's not so diffcult for dindin to play :unsure:
if the way she lose like Ana's,I would die :rolleyes:Try not to die,Tracy,cuz we have lots of future moments as friends and Dinarik fans ahead of us;)

Ashi
May 1st, 2011, 05:21 PM
Well, Ana has the all important GS title. That's what majority of people remember.

Dinara! :sobbing:

bruce goose
May 1st, 2011, 05:40 PM
Well, Ana has the all important GS title. That's what majority of people remember.

Dinara! :sobbing:Yeah,but the rate she's going,she'll be as forgotten as other one-hit wonders like Gaudio and Majoli....Dinara will ALWAYS be a Safin(a),so she'll be remembered affectionately by women and men alike:).Dinara's gonna do like Novotna and win a Slam in her late 20s once her Panic Hormones have slowed down;)

Aleksandrina
May 1st, 2011, 06:29 PM
Monday, May 2, 2011

Manolo Santana (from 12.00hrs)

1. Li Na vs. Maria Jose Martinez Sanchez
2. Maria Sharapova vs. Ekaterina Makarova
3. ATP: de Bakker vs. Ferrero (NB 16.00hrs)
4. ATP: Roddick vs. Cipolla (NB 19.00hrs)
5. Nuria Llagostera Vives vs. Dinara Safina

goldenlox
May 1st, 2011, 09:14 PM
This is a super tough draw. If she beats Vives & plays Goerges close, thats good.
If she beats Vives, Goerges, Wozniacki, Stosur then Azarenka, she will make the final.

osseous
May 2nd, 2011, 12:04 AM
This is going to be pretty late in here. :sobbing:

Anyway, davai Dinara! :cheer:

Ashi
May 2nd, 2011, 04:41 AM
Dinara's gonna do like Novotna and win a Slam in her late 20s once her Panic Hormones have slowed down;)
We can Dream. :inlove:

DS.Fan.
May 2nd, 2011, 10:52 AM
Yeah,but the rate she's going,she'll be as forgotten as other one-hit wonders like Gaudio and Majoli....Dinara will ALWAYS be a Safin(a),so she'll be remembered affectionately by women and men alike:).Dinara's gonna do like Novotna and win a Slam in her late 20s once her Panic Hormones have slowed down;)
nice Bruce.hope it'll come true :sad:

This is a super tough draw. If she beats Vives & plays Goerges close, thats good.
If she beats Vives, Goerges, Wozniacki, Stosur then Azarenka, she will make the final.
This I love :oh:

goldenlox
May 2nd, 2011, 07:44 PM
Goerges tweeted that she's off tomorrow, so if Dinara wins she has a day off.
Crazy to schedule a round 1 match late with all these round 2 matches earlier.

goldenlox
May 2nd, 2011, 09:26 PM
Down 3-5 to Vives. I thought Dinara would do better.
I guess she still isnt ready for Premiers.

goldenlox
May 2nd, 2011, 09:50 PM
Lost the 1st set 57. I didnt think she would struggle this match.
A long way to go in this comeback

pedropt
May 2nd, 2011, 09:53 PM
7-5 :[

I should have learned, everytime I put money on my faves, they lose.

Anyway, good 1st game in the 2nd Set for Dinara with 2 aces :)

C. Drone
May 2nd, 2011, 09:54 PM
Down 3-5 to Vives. I thought Dinara would do better.
I guess she still isnt ready for Premiers.
because NLV is a Premier player? not even top100 right now. :lol:
Dinara sucks, nothing surprising after injury/sickness. problem we can't
see this shit. :o

C. Drone
May 2nd, 2011, 09:57 PM
and then losing next service game to love. fucking mess. whyshe can't just retire... :[

goldenlox
May 2nd, 2011, 10:13 PM
33 maybe she can still get to Goerges

C. Drone
May 2nd, 2011, 10:23 PM
33 maybe she can still get to Goerges

yeah, sorry one double bagel this year was already too much. i'm not that degenerated to enjoy another one. :p

pedropt
May 2nd, 2011, 10:23 PM
Broken to love when serving for the 2nd Set :facepalm:

pedropt
May 2nd, 2011, 10:30 PM
Dinara takes the 2nd set 6-4.

goldenlox
May 2nd, 2011, 10:31 PM
1 set all 57 64

goldenlox
May 2nd, 2011, 10:41 PM
1-0, lets get this win!

goldenlox
May 2nd, 2011, 10:58 PM
Had bp for 31 but didnt get it, 22
Held, 32*

goldenlox
May 2nd, 2011, 11:06 PM
15-40, good chance for 42

goldenlox
May 2nd, 2011, 11:12 PM
She cant break Vives, how is she going to break Goerges? 33

goldenlox
May 2nd, 2011, 11:14 PM
Dinara holds 43*

goldenlox
May 2nd, 2011, 11:18 PM
Finally broke *5-3, serve it out!

goldenlox
May 2nd, 2011, 11:24 PM
Next is Goerges. She has to break her serve, which isnt easy

C. Drone
May 2nd, 2011, 11:30 PM
thank you goldie, because fuckin hard to find the livescore thread. :kiss:

80pts, that sound succesful week. I don't expect more. Seeing this livescore should have been w/d before tournament.

DS.Fan.
May 2nd, 2011, 11:48 PM
now she got the 1st match in Madrid.I hope she'll withdraw before her match with Julia!I dont wanna see her get two bagels or play in pain.

bruce goose
May 3rd, 2011, 12:00 AM
yeah, sorry one double bagel this year was already too much. i'm not that degenerated to enjoy another one. :pSo you mean that you're civilized for a cave-dweller,huh?;)Heck,even Marion won a clay match against a gal who made the Fes final a couple weeks back...and Goerges isn't a model of consistency,so maybe Dinarik can surprise us here:)

osseous
May 3rd, 2011, 12:54 AM
So glad Dinara won. :D Next Julia. Davai! :cheer:

bruce goose
May 3rd, 2011, 03:59 AM
Okay,we have a little consistency problem with the WTA webpage---First,I'll concede that a match between the world's #76 and #119 players normally isn't compelling theater.However,Dinara DID win Madrid only 2 short years ago,and the post-match summaries acknowledged her with the comment,"Dinara Safina played another Spaniard,LLV,at night."

You see,if it was worthwhile mentioning that she HAD a match,then wouldn't it stand to reason that the RESULT was worth mentioning,too,with a later edit?:rolleyes:Then again,the WTA is so busy concocting propaganda to promote Serbian lingerie models,as if they were legit tennis players,that there simply isn't enough time to type up a short blurb on someone who actually WON a match...that someone being Senorita Dinarik:hearts:

Ashi
May 3rd, 2011, 06:05 AM
I'm glad i didn't stay up for that. :o

bruce goose
May 3rd, 2011, 05:22 PM
The WTA finally found time to mention Dinarik's win,btw...am glad that she gets this day of rest before facing Goerges.VAMOS,Dinara!!!:bounce:

Shivank17
May 4th, 2011, 04:13 AM
Dinara vs Goerges on Stadium 3 today,NB 16 00 Hrs.
This is the first time in 2011,that Dinara is not playing a singles match on the main court. :hearts: See that US OPEN :ras:
That means Dinara played her first 18 matches on Centre Court this year :bowdown: until Madrid spoiled her record and didn't put their former champ on Main court.Not complaining though Rafa,Roger,Nole,Masha are already on Center court today,Vera was the one chosen over Dinara. :sad:

Shivank17
May 4th, 2011, 04:14 AM
And btw Live Stream will be available. :oh: :banana:

DS.Fan.
May 4th, 2011, 06:04 AM
Dinara vs Goerges on Stadium 3 today,NB 16 00 Hrs.
This is the first time in 2011,that Dinara is not playing a singles match on the main court. :hearts: See that US OPEN :ras:
That means Dinara played her first 18 matches on Centre Court this year :bowdown: until Madrid spoiled her record and didn't put their former champ on Main court.Not complaining though Rafa,Roger,Nole,Masha are already on Center court today,Vera was the one chosen over Dinara. :sad:
hahaha..yes yes...Dinara nearly played all her matches on center court this year.amazing..
Hope Julia will not bageled our girl...Hope DinDin's weak back is good

Ashi
May 4th, 2011, 06:05 AM
How do you know for sure Vera was chosen over Dinara, it could have been Masha also? :p

C. Drone
May 4th, 2011, 09:20 AM
Well, i think she doesn't wanted to play early, coz she finished her match late 2 days ago.
Then the other thing, that Eurosport usually ask for matches they want to show, thats why they start at 4pm.
Other thing, German players are more advertise worthy than czech or "some" russians.

the thing i don't understand, the 2nd court (named after ASV) why only has 4 ATP match... should be more diversity. But well, its a wonder that they know what WTA is in Spain, so maybe its still good.

Ashi
May 4th, 2011, 10:04 AM
Well, we all know what ASV thinks about the current state of the WTA. :oh: So only ATP matches scheduled on the court named after her, doesn't seem so unusual. :lol:





Joking!

Yes, the spectators should have their share of womens matches on that court. :(

Shivank17
May 4th, 2011, 01:03 PM
How do you know for sure Vera was chosen over Dinara, it could have been Masha also? :p

No kidding but with William sisters and KC not playing Masha has to be a permanent guest on Center Courts. :p

And I think the Madrid people are kind to Masha fans ,since we rarely see her on clay. :sobbing: :p

Ashi
May 4th, 2011, 01:29 PM
Livestream?

C. Drone
May 4th, 2011, 01:33 PM
ES will show it, so you sould check your usual sources. :shrug:

Ashi
May 4th, 2011, 01:40 PM
I found a eurosport link. But it's not working for me. :hysteric:

C. Drone
May 4th, 2011, 01:54 PM
http://www.fromsportcom.com/c-4.html ?

Ashi
May 4th, 2011, 01:56 PM
:smooch:

Shivank17
May 4th, 2011, 01:59 PM
Hope somehow Dinara plays like she did in 2009 here. :speakles:
Go Dinarik27. :banana:

bruce goose
May 4th, 2011, 06:02 PM
Had to attend a meeting and couldn't watch,so I'd enjoy hearing a detailed match report that goes beyond the stats.I can see that Dinarik almost beat a tough player despite a Dinara-like 15 DFs;imagine what she could do with normal,human serving

osseous
May 4th, 2011, 11:37 PM
Dinara. :hug:

bruce goose
May 5th, 2011, 04:22 AM
Dinara,I don't mean to be demanding or anything,but do you suppose that you could limit yourself to single digits in DFs for your next match??Do you think that 9 or less is an attainable goal??Of course,don't forget to put just a smidge of velocity on the serve instead of aiming it underhanded into the box solely to avoid a DF.Can you handle that,Dinarik sweetie?:kiss:

HowardH
May 5th, 2011, 05:41 AM
Dina :hug:

Eurosport had her at 17 dfs. I'm not sure, but I believe this is the right total. Either way it's too many. I don't know if Dinara can have less than 10 DFs in a 3 set match at the moment. In two sets, it's realistic. If she serves more than 10 times she will probably have more than 10 DFs. It's hard for her to serve an entire game without at least one DF.

The majority of the doublefaults came on the deuce court. Most were long, up the middle. Of course there were others. At some point in the match, Dinara decided that she was going to go for more serves, and hit some big second serves. This is probably because she had given up on trying to be consistent with the second serve.

Julia was a bit erratic off the ground, and returned poorly, when Dinara managed to get the serve in. Dina was getting a lot of cheap points off the serve, which probably shouldn't have been free points. The commentators certainly thought that Julia shouldn't have missed all those returns. Dinara didn't rally that well, but improved as Julia played her into the match. Personally I thought the way Dina played the first set she should have been breadsticked, but Julia was too poor to do that.

However, the difference in serving was decisive. Julia served well for the majority of the match (admittedly she had bad patches, including in the third).

bruce goose
May 5th, 2011, 03:27 PM
Howard,you have a skill for being detailed w/o getting long-winded(I should learn more from you:lol:).I'm sorry that Dinara couldn't provide us with better news material,but thanks for your report:hatoff:

C. Drone
May 5th, 2011, 03:52 PM
seeing this match today and how useless Caro was, even Dinara could have won a set against her. Okay, maybe not, but possible. Dinara doesn't like when her opponent is offensive, and Caro is everything but offensive.

yesterday 1st set was like a serve-athon. Longest rally was 5 shots maybe. Neither of them could hurt the other one. Dinara piled up DFs, 2 in first game and broken, then other game has 4 but she held... and there was a gamm with 3 in 3set i think.
17DF is too much of course, but she was going for it most of the time, taking the risk. Problem her 1st serve rate was poor, around 50% i think. If she could keep it over 70% everything would be easier, less 2nd serve and DF obviously.

anyther issue was her shot selection and rallying i think. Many times she was in control, but she didn't made the finishing move, played too comfy and JG could come back with a counterpunch or similar agressive shot, and then Dinara lost the point. She has to be more consistant in these situation. More matchplay could help this of course.

she didn't get Rome WC, so maybe a relaxing week could be good to sort out some glitches. These last weeks were kinda messy, she couldn't train to much. Andshe needs consistency, she is better with it.

bruce goose
May 5th, 2011, 04:15 PM
seeing this match today and how useless Caro was, even Dinara could have won a set against her. Okay, maybe not, but possible. Dinara doesn't like when her opponent is offensive, and Caro is everything but offensive.

yesterday 1st set was like a serve-athon. Longest rally was 5 shots maybe. Neither of them could hurt the other one. Dinara piled up DFs, 2 in first game and broken, then other game has 4 but she held... and there was a gamm with 3 in 3set i think.
17DF is too much of course, but she was going for it most of the time, taking the risk. Problem her 1st serve rate was poor, around 50% i think. If she could keep it over 70% everything would be easier, less 2nd serve and DF obviously.

anyther issue was her shot selection and rallying i think. Many times she was in control, but she didn't made the finishing move, played too comfy and JG could come back with a counterpunch or similar agressive shot, and then Dinara lost the point. She has to be more consistant in these situation. More matchplay could help this of course.

she didn't get Rome WC, so maybe a relaxing week could be good to sort out some glitches. These last weeks were kinda messy, she couldn't train to much. Andshe needs consistency, she is better with it.It's nice to see that Caroline isn't offensive to you,Norby:p;),but we all know that Dinara hasn't been consistent for MOST of her career.She found a brief measure of it during her time with Krajan,yet she wasn't able to sustain it.There are lots of GOOD players who have approx. one-year stretches where they play GREAT...and then they fall back down to earth again.Dinara will have a nice career if she can merely duplicate how she played pre-Krajan Era,but I'd love to see her become a Slam contender once more

C. Drone
May 5th, 2011, 04:48 PM
i was just talking about TRAINING consistency, that would give her game a bit back up. If she can't train because sickness and injury and travelling everything falls apart.

actually Dinara was "consistent" before Berlin2008 too, but in a lower level. Right now she can't be anything close to even that lower level.

bruce goose
May 5th, 2011, 05:22 PM
i was just talking about TRAINING consistency, that would give her game a bit back up. If she can't train because sickness and injury and travelling everything falls apart.

actually Dinara was "consistent" before Berlin2008 too, but in a lower level. Right now she can't be anything close to even that lower level.Well,I'd like to see Dinara go higher than that lesser 'consistency' from pre-Berlin 2008,but you're certainly right that she can't have consistency without proper training that's been limited by injury/sickness

DS.Fan.
May 7th, 2011, 01:16 AM
Dinara'll not play Rome???which tournament next??

bruce goose
May 7th, 2011, 04:23 AM
Dinara'll not play Rome???which tournament next??Tracy,Dinarik only has three choices---she can play RG lead-up Brussels...or Strasbourg....or she can simply wait until RG itself

Shivank17
May 7th, 2011, 12:19 PM
Why ain't she playing at Rome? :scratch:
No WC for former champ :sobbing: :(
Drew Liley had promised me snippets from Dinara's interview(s) at Rome. :sobbing: Will have to wait for RG then. :[

C. Drone
May 7th, 2011, 12:23 PM
i don't know if she asked for a WC. i didn't find any news about that.
Strasbourg WC to Dinara, Sveta and Ana

bruce goose
May 7th, 2011, 03:50 PM
i don't know if she asked for a WC. i didn't find any news about that.
Strasbourg WC to Dinara, Sveta and AnaThanks for the update,Norby:).Ana will probably quit(w/draw)if/when she gets embarrassed in Rome...and then concoct some make-believe injury again.....but at least Dinarik won't be able to copy any bad serving or choking habits then:angel:

Shivank17
May 7th, 2011, 04:16 PM
Well if Dinara decided not to play at Rome,then its a good decision.One and a half week off,good practice and go deep in Strasbourg. :cheer:

Ashi
May 7th, 2011, 04:50 PM
Strasbourg WC to Dinara, Sveta and Ana

Sveta and Ana are slumping so bad, now they are hogging WC's to MM's too! :sobbing: :o

Go deep Dinara! :cheer:

DS.Fan.
May 7th, 2011, 05:28 PM
it's good for her not to play in Rome.I think she needs more normal trains.it's the only way to improve her game.hope back will not make troubles:(