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BepaMaria
Mar 31st, 2011, 02:27 PM
Just had a look at the current WTA rankings and I literally did this::facepalm:

Why? This is because there are so many overranked players and by being ranked where they are with their calibre, it is an utter disgrace to the game. Since there is a similar thread on MTF, I think that I might as well create a similar one to get everybody's views on whose ranking is the most embarrassing for the game.

tea
Mar 31st, 2011, 02:33 PM
Next time try to literally do this::banghead:

Matt01
Mar 31st, 2011, 02:43 PM
Why are Sharapova, Zvonareva and Kirilenko not included in the poll?

BepaMaria
Mar 31st, 2011, 02:55 PM
Wow at the moment Wozniacki is leading the poll by a huge margin. Totally expected and NID :lol:

Miss Atomic Bomb
Mar 31st, 2011, 02:56 PM
The strong possibility of a player getting back into the top 10 without playing for 9 months.

eDonkey
Mar 31st, 2011, 03:02 PM
I don't get the idea of the next thread by BepaMaria.Again.:confused:

All these girls played well at one or other stage of the last 12 months and thus they got this decent ranking.They have no less luck or in not in good shape (except for Wozniacki - the option which is obviously just for bashing her).

And Kvitova is not overranked even at the moment, you gotta tell Kim this. :haha:

Blu€
Mar 31st, 2011, 03:04 PM
Zvonareva ranked #3 hands down! :bigwave:

Mistress of Evil
Mar 31st, 2011, 03:06 PM
every player deserves her place in the rankings :shrug: the problem here is that WTA level has dropped so much that girls who were never going to be TOP 20 ten years ago are now comfortably there. ;)

nevertheless, I voted for FLuke :tape:

Kairi
Mar 31st, 2011, 03:07 PM
The strong possibility of a player getting back into the top 10 without playing for 9 months.

This ^^^^:lol:

madmax
Mar 31st, 2011, 03:31 PM
Obviously having a weaponless pusher leading the rankings is already embarrassing enough. The same as seeing a part-time playing disinterested mum winning all the biggest titles doesn't add any credibility either. All in all, we are living in a dark ages for the women's game - let's hope we see a ray of light before the darkness clouds the skies forever...

jrm
Mar 31st, 2011, 03:36 PM
Pironkova ... ranking based on one excellent result, nothing else elsewhere!

Njalle
Mar 31st, 2011, 03:38 PM
Where is Zvonareva in this poll? :shrug:

@danieln1
Mar 31st, 2011, 03:39 PM
Zvonareva ranked #3.....

That´s the most overranked ever!

From the poll, obviously Stosur at #5

Alice
Mar 31st, 2011, 03:49 PM
Where is Zvonareva in this poll? :shrug:

The OP is a big fan of Zvonareva as you can see...so it's understandable if he/she does not include her in the poll :rolleyes:

Alice
Mar 31st, 2011, 03:51 PM
Zvonareva ranked #3.....

That´s the most overranked ever!

What a way to pissed off the OP :lol: :)

BepaMaria
Mar 31st, 2011, 03:54 PM
I don't get the idea of the next thread by BepaMaria.Again.:confused:

All these girls played well at one or other stage of the last 12 months and thus they got this decent ranking.They have no less luck or in not in good shape (except for Wozniacki - the option which is obviously just for bashing her).

And Kvitova is not overranked even at the moment, you gotta tell Kim this. :haha:

The idea of this thread is to give an overview on who is currently the most overranked. Mainly because the rankings now are a total disaster with many players like those stated in the poll who are ranked much higher than their actual calibre should bring them, which is really an embarrassment to the WTA.

every player deserves her place in the rankings :shrug: the problem here is that WTA level has dropped so much that girls who were never going to be TOP 20 ten years ago are now comfortably there. ;)

nevertheless, I voted for FLuke :tape:

Not really. Just because players work hard and give it their all to produce their results doesn't mean they should deserve their ranking. The rankings give an idea of how players stand in terms of their standard and calibre. Some players shouldn't be ranked as high as where they are right now because their talent and calibre is certainly not as high as their lower-ranked peers.

Obviously having a weaponless pusher leading the rankings is already embarrassing enough. The same as seeing a part-time playing disinterested mum winning all the biggest titles doesn't add any credibility either. All in all, we are living in a dark ages for the women's game - let's hope we see a ray of light before the darkness clouds the skies forever...

Agreed. Masha has just partly saved the WTA from its flawed top 10 rankings by returning there next week. Lets hope she will climb further.

BepaMaria
Mar 31st, 2011, 03:58 PM
Zvonareva ranked #3.....

That´s the most overranked ever!

From the poll, obviously Stosur at #5

What a way to pissed off the OP :lol: :)

@danieln1 is just a pathetic troll so I am not gonna get pissed by his/her comments. If anything, Zvonareva should be ranked higher. Being ranked at #3 is really a big injustice to her and the WTA.

Shonami Slam
Mar 31st, 2011, 04:05 PM
zvonareva played so many great big tournies (or more importantly - slams), how is she over-ranked even were it by 3-4 places, she is a ligitimate top10 player when all the great players were there, why not now? :shrug:

Curcubeu
Mar 31st, 2011, 04:09 PM
The WTA ranking is base on the points a player earned the last 52 weeks. This is a very huge time span where many things can happen. It's hard for upcoming players to increase their ranking all of a sudden when they are playing consistently, but on the other hand it is possible to rest on the performances you had the last year.

If all the results you have were more than 40 weeks ago, some players often appear to be overranked, especially when their points are based only on two great results or so.

I'm wondering why nobody has mentioned our ITF-girls Johansson on #70 or Ondraskova on #83... :shrug:

goldenlox
Mar 31st, 2011, 04:09 PM
Originally Posted by madmax http://imgsrv2.tennisuniverse.com/wtaworld/images/buttons/red/viewpost.gif (http://www.tennisforum.com/showthread.php?p=19350152#post19350152)
Obviously having a weaponless pusher leading the rankings ...



Agreed. Masha has just partly saved the WTA from its flawed top 10 rankings by returning there next week. Lets hope she will climb further.
The weaponless beat the returning top 10 player 61 62 at IW

Uranus
Mar 31st, 2011, 04:16 PM
Zvonareva has 2 slam finals and 1 slam SF. She might get Miami as well, and she's defeated pretty much all of the current top players. Let me remind you the number 1 ranked player doesn't have a slam final counting towards her ranking.

BepaMaria
Mar 31st, 2011, 04:19 PM
Originally Posted by madmax http://imgsrv2.tennisuniverse.com/wtaworld/images/buttons/red/viewpost.gif (http://www.tennisforum.com/showthread.php?p=19350152#post19350152)
Obviously having a weaponless pusher leading the rankings ...


The weaponless beat the returning top 10 player 61 62 at IW

Actually she does have a weapon:Cheating:facepalm:

Thats a far worse disgrace, having a cheater at the top of the WTA rankings:o

goldenlox
Mar 31st, 2011, 04:26 PM
I dont know what match you think she cheated in, but Caroline seems to do very well without cheating & with her style of play.

dawid
Mar 31st, 2011, 04:27 PM
Kanepi or Stosur

jezhead
Mar 31st, 2011, 04:29 PM
Stosur for sure

Sergius
Mar 31st, 2011, 04:30 PM
Actually she does have a weapon:Cheating:facepalm:

Thats a far worse disgrace, having a cheater at the top of the WTA rankings:o

I don't know what has Sharapova done to get you as a fan of hers. She didn't deserve it

hurricanejeanne
Mar 31st, 2011, 04:33 PM
I know she's been quietly consistent but Peer at 11 is just weird. :p

But of course Caro being 1 is insane, but she plays a lot so her best of 17 have higher point counts.

Thank god Semipova is back in the top ten.

Njalle
Mar 31st, 2011, 04:36 PM
I dont know what match you think she cheated in, but Caroline seems to do very well without cheating & with her style of play.

Well I think BepaMaria should report it to the WTA so they can initiate an investigation. Surely we can not have a cheater at #1 :lol:

BepaMaria
Mar 31st, 2011, 04:41 PM
Well I think BepaMaria should report it to the WTA so they can initiate an investigation. Surely we can not have a cheater at #1 :lol:

Well she cheats by faking injuries just like the ATP #1:o. But the WTA is probably so birdbrained that they'll probably be taken in by her and think that her injuries were real so there is really no use complaining:shrug:

goldenlox
Mar 31st, 2011, 04:50 PM
On one side, people say she should play less or she will get injured.
Then there's your side, which makes no sense

jezhead
Mar 31st, 2011, 04:53 PM
That's what happens when your player ain't number 1 i guess

backhandsmash
Mar 31st, 2011, 04:55 PM
That's what happens when your player ain't number 1 i guess

:yeah:

WozLolz
Mar 31st, 2011, 05:07 PM
Well she cheats by faking injuries just like the ATP #1:o. But the WTA is probably so birdbrained that they'll probably be taken in by her and think that her injuries were real so there is really no use complaining:shrug:

Sh*t. What? :confused:
you must be 5.

Temperenka
Mar 31st, 2011, 05:09 PM
Vera and Rezai in my opinion.

Vera was #2 at one point having only won a MM.. :tape: and Aravane is simply dreadful.

FORZA SARITA
Mar 31st, 2011, 05:10 PM
of course Zvonareva is not in the poll :rolleyes:

jezhead
Mar 31st, 2011, 05:13 PM
of course Zvonareva is not in the poll :rolleyes:

Ya, of course lol

FERLKE
Mar 31st, 2011, 05:13 PM
Zvonareva :tape:, she is Nº2 in the world and won 2 premier titles in her whole career :o

InsideOut.
Mar 31st, 2011, 05:16 PM
Zvonareva at no.3, of course :p

Hian
Mar 31st, 2011, 05:22 PM
Which is the problem with Kaia, Aravane, Shahar, Yari, Marion, Kvitova and Wozniacki? :weirdo:
Tsvetana... a good result, then nothing.

dawid
Mar 31st, 2011, 05:29 PM
I know she's been quietly consistent but Peer at 11 is just weird. :p

But of course Caro being 1 is insane, but she plays a lot so her best of 17 have higher point counts.

Thank god Semipova is back in the top ten.

She has won Montreal, Tokyo, Bejing, Dubai, IW. She made final in Doha and semifinal in Australia. What's more she has 1500 more than #2. It's not her fault that WS are injured, Henin retired and Clijsters don't give a fu*k about non-slams. She is a no.1 and it doesn't matter if you like her game or not.

Burisleif
Mar 31st, 2011, 05:37 PM
Vera,

No.2 holding only Pattaya
then
No.2 Without a tittle having failed to defend Pattaya.
now
N0.3 only currently holding one tittle, a grade two premier event.

jasonbloom
Mar 31st, 2011, 05:40 PM
Zvonareva :tape:, she is Nº2 in the world and won 2 premier titles in her whole career :o

Why not Stosur?? A top 5 player just won 2 title in her whole career including 1 MM.

Shvedbarilescu
Mar 31st, 2011, 06:33 PM
I vote for BepaMaria as the most embarrassing poster for this forum.

tkutsaar
Mar 31st, 2011, 06:54 PM
I know I should stay out of this but this thread is totally insane so I can’t resist. For those who take this thread seriously let me remind you that the ranking system is an objective gauge with no influence of subjective reasoning. To think Caro should not be ranked No 1 is a totally outrageous sentiment to have. It’s the same as saying player X should never win a match because she shouldn’t win.

For example, by the logic of this thread one would have to assume that it is most embarrassing to the WTA that Francesca Schiavone is the current FO title holder. She has been a professional tennis player for fourteen plus years and she was nearly 30 when she won. Her previous best result at FO was QF loss and that was the first time she played the FO. The year previous to her title win Fran lost in the 1st round. Besides her FO title she was only four tour wins in her entire career.

Despite all these facts no sane person would dream of suggesting that it is embarrassing for the WTA that Fran won last year’s FO. If anything the WTA is exultant by such outcome as they can crow that the champion of a slam is not necessarily one of the highest seeds. I believe Fran was seeded 17th last year.

Of course I get that the real beef is that the ranking system is flawed if it permits Caro to be ranked number one. By the same token no one can devise a system to gauge the ranking of players objectively enough that there is no cause to complain. Say what you will about the deficiencies of the ranking system we have today, you cannot deny that it is totally objective. Finally to take umbrage at current standings is somewhat fruitless since there is no practical value to the ranking system except to seed the players at tournaments.

I get the impression that some of you want some subjective evaluation to be placed on the ranking system so that Caro is not ranked number 1. That way Clijsters could be ranked No 1 and we have had threads that exactly suggest that. But you really do not want to go there. There is one sport that I know of that relies on subjective determination to crown its champion for the year. That sport is American college football. Nowadays there is some more sophisticated way of determining the champion and a deemed championship game is played but who plays in this game is determined partly objectively and partly subjectively. But in years past the champion was determined by a survey of sportswriters and colleges coaches and as you can imagine there was no end of controversy. No surely you do not want to go there.

Olórin
Mar 31st, 2011, 06:59 PM
Vera,

No.2 holding only Pattaya
then
No.2 Without a tittle having failed to defend Pattaya.
now
N0.3 only currently holding one tittle, a grade two premier event.

But two slam finals.
I think a tier two title and impressive slam showings seems about right for top 5 in today's game.

Actually, I just noticed that the only player in the top 5 without a slam final in their ranking is the number one. :help:

I don't like the current make-up of the game's elite if I'm honest.

Frederik
Mar 31st, 2011, 07:02 PM
I vote for BepaMaria as the most embarrassing poster for this forum.

+1

@danieln1
Mar 31st, 2011, 07:06 PM
@danieln1 is just a pathetic troll so I am not gonna get pissed by his/her comments. If anything, Zvonareva should be ranked higher. Being ranked at #3 is really a big injustice to her and the WTA.

You´re the troll so shut up.... and Zvonareva being ranked number #3, she should thank other better players there are slumping or injured, otherwise she would be ranked top 10 at best...

Ferg
Mar 31st, 2011, 07:08 PM
Zvonareva CLEARLY.

TheHangover
Mar 31st, 2011, 07:09 PM
i voted wozniacki because she hasn't the game a world number one should have, but she earned that place in the ranking that's for sure, she hasn't a slam yet but she won a lot of big tournaments

Akaniero
Mar 31st, 2011, 07:09 PM
Zvonareva ranked at #3 :tape:

Also, Sharapova getting back into the top 10 is embarrassing, I thought she was gone for good :(

Also, Kanepi being ranked so high is utterly :o

TheHangover
Mar 31st, 2011, 07:14 PM
zvonareva, schiavone and stosur are overranked too

Rollo
Mar 31st, 2011, 07:15 PM
The Wozzer at #1 is most embarrassing. The best player should be able to win at least 1 Grand Slam. Failing that, she should win the YEC as Hingis did in 2000. Failing that should should have dominated the regular tour events at a level above and beyond everyone else.

Caro fails that test on all counts.

Akaniero
Mar 31st, 2011, 07:25 PM
The idea of this thread is to give an overview on who is currently the most overranked. Mainly because the rankings now are a total disaster with many players like those stated in the poll who are ranked much higher than their actual calibre should bring them, which is really an embarrassment to the WTA.
Wrong.
The idea of this thread is to bash Caroline as much as possible, which is why she's the only top 4 player that you added.
You didn't add Zvonareva (the most embarrassing ranking by far) which shows how biased you are :tape:
Not really. Just because players work hard and give it their all to produce their results doesn't mean they should deserve their ranking. The rankings give an idea of how players stand in terms of their standard and calibre. Some players shouldn't be ranked as high as where they are right now because their talent and calibre is certainly not as high as their lower-ranked peers.
Sure, some players don't deserve their ranking.
For example, Zvonareva doesn't deserve her ranking because she's pretty awful.

The other example of this is Sharapova. Brainless ballbashing yet again back in the top 10, very very bad for tennis.
Agreed. Masha has just partly saved the WTA from its flawed top 10 rankings by returning there next week. Lets hope she will climb further.
HAHAH, Sharapova's ballbashing and banshee screams aren't good for the tour :lol:
Let's hope she returns to failing...

@danieln1 is just a pathetic troll so I am not gonna get pissed by his/her comments. If anything, Zvonareva should be ranked higher. Being ranked at #3 is really a big injustice to her and the WTA.
The irony of this post is that you're calling someone a troll, hilarious.

Zvonareva is a bad player, I have no idea how she got the #2 ranking at one point :tape:

She should be around the #7 rank at the highest, yet she's hovering around #3.

Actually she does have a weapon:Cheating:facepalm:

Thats a far worse disgrace, having a cheater at the top of the WTA rankings:o
Are you serious?
Cheating?
Since when has Caroline ever cheated?
Well she cheats by faking injuries just like the ATP #1:o. But the WTA is probably so birdbrained that they'll probably be taken in by her and think that her injuries were real so there is really no use complaining:shrug:
Nadal does cheat, but how does Caroline?
She never cheats, she's one of the fairest players on tour.
There's nothing bad about her...
Cheating? :lol:
But of course Caro being 1 is insane, but she plays a lot so her best of 17 have higher point counts.
Insane, is it?

5 tier 1s, 3 slam semi-finals, a slam quarter-final, finals and titles at almost every other tournament she has played = insane?
Yeah, it's insane.
Insanely good.

Thank god Semipova is back in the top ten.
:tape:
Actually, I just noticed that the only player in the top 5 without a slam final in their ranking is the number one. :help:
Yeah, but instead she has 2 slam semi-finals, a slam quarter-final, 7 titles (including 5 tier 1s in a row) and a few other finals :wavey:
i voted wozniacki because she hasn't the game a world number one should have, but she earned that place in the ranking that's for sure, she hasn't a slam yet but she won a lot of big tournaments
She hasn't the game of a world number 1? :haha:

She has a brilliant game, defense, attack, tactical thinking on court instead of mindless ballbashing.
Not her fault she's not a brainless ballbasher :lol:

Oh yeah, she's earned it.

5 tier 1s in a row, tonnes of matches won, 2 grand slam semi-finals, a slam quarter-final and finals or titles at most other tournaments.

More consistent than Clijsters, Zvonareva etc. that's for sure :wavey:

Akaniero
Mar 31st, 2011, 07:29 PM
The Wozzer at #1 is most embarrassing. The best player should be able to win at least 1 Grand Slam. Failing that, she should win the YEC as Hingis did in 2000. Failing that should should have dominated the regular tour events at a level above and beyond everyone else.

Caro fails that test on all counts.
1. She doesn't have a slam, she has 2 semi-finals and 1 quarter-final. Okay.
2. She doesn't have the YEC. Okay.
3. She hasn't dominated smaller events?? Wtf are you on about? She has 5 tier 1s in a row, finals and titles everywhere else with twice as many match wins as any other player...not dominating smaller events? Ha! Don't make me laugh.

To add to the small events, she is consistent in slams and huge tournaments. She reaches finals and semi-finals almost every single time, so she deserves the #1 ranking.

Better to have a #1 who cares enough to play a lot instead of one who only plays a few tournaments a year :wavey:

backhandsmash
Mar 31st, 2011, 07:37 PM
The Wozzer at #1 is most embarrassing. The best player should be able to win at least 1 Grand Slam. Failing that, she should win the YEC as Hingis did in 2000. Failing that should should have dominated the regular tour events at a level above and beyond everyone else.

Caro fails that test on all counts.

Piss-take on this thread, yes? :)

Mary Cherry.
Mar 31st, 2011, 08:16 PM
Current TF posters: Which is the most embarrassing for the forum?

BepaMaria wins with 100% of the vote.




EDIT: Someone beat me to it :lol:

Miss Atomic Bomb
Mar 31st, 2011, 08:18 PM
Current TF posters: Which is the most embarrassing for the forum?

BepaMaria wins with 100% of the vote.




EDIT: Someone beat me to it :lol:

Dont count on that, the little kid who posted a couple of posts above you can certainly give him a run for his money.

Mary Cherry.
Mar 31st, 2011, 08:21 PM
Dont count on that, the little kid who posted a couple of posts above you can certainly give him a run for his money.

Fair point, but at least we can all have a good laugh at Word Life's trolling. For now anyway.

Ferg
Mar 31st, 2011, 08:23 PM
stabby life is adorable, trying to make it seem he knows what hes talking about after shitting on the WTA forever! cute!

Rollo
Mar 31st, 2011, 08:27 PM
Posted by Word of Life

She hasn't dominated smaller events?? Wtf are you on about? She has 5 tier 1s in a row, finals and titles everywhere else with twice as many match wins as any other player...not dominating smaller events? Ha! Don't make me laugh.

To add to the small events, she is consistent in slams and huge tournaments. She reaches finals and semi-finals almost every single time, so she deserves the #1 ranking.

The key word here is "dominated". To me domination means winning half the events entered. In all of 2010 Caroline won 6 events out of 22 entered. Kim won 5 out of 11. In other words it took Caroline twice as long to win 1 more event than Kim. 2 of Wozzer's event wins were in smaller events.

She's a joke as #1. If she wasn't a joke the TV announcers wouldn't be talking about how she is ranked #1 but Kim the best player.

Better to have a #1 who cares enough to play a lot instead of one who only plays a few tournaments a year

I agree that it is better to have a #1 who plays more often. If Caroline had won even 1 of the Biggest 5 events I'd gladly accept her as #1. But it's more important to have a true and deserving #1. She's not deserving at all. If playing a million events is what you want in a #1 why not just base the ranking on events played?

Personally I like her style of play and her personality. That doesn't change the fact that she's a slamless shame of a #1.

Chakvenus
Mar 31st, 2011, 08:30 PM
Wow, not only are BepaMaria's usually full of hopeless trolling, but they've now taken on a new level of a complete lack of objectivity. Zvonareva at 3 - even at 2 - so badly needs to be on this poll it's not even funny.
Just go away, BepaMaria. Forever.

backhandsmash
Mar 31st, 2011, 08:38 PM
Piss-take on this thread, yes? :)

Omg, you were not taking the piss. Wow!

Edit: Well, at least you didn't call her a pusher like another mod did. I guess that's something.

Akaniero
Mar 31st, 2011, 09:07 PM
The key word here is "dominated". To me domination means winning half the events entered. In all of 2010 Caroline won 6 events out of 22 entered. Kim won 5 out of 11. In other words it took Caroline twice as long to win 1 more event than Kim. 2 of Wozzer's event wins were in smaller events.
Most of last season was pretty mediocre for Caroline. Only after Wimbledon, did she start playing her current level (and she's getting better).
Since she started playing amazingly, how many matches has she won? How many finals has she reached and how titles has she won?
She has dominated the tour since around last August/September.
She's a joke as #1. If she wasn't a joke the TV announcers wouldn't be talking about how she is ranked #1 but Kim the best player.
HAHAHA, a joke :haha:
Yeah, 5 tier 1s, a slam semi-finalist the last 2 slams and numerous finals and other titles = a joke :lol:
Also a joke how she has won 3000 points already this season, right? :yeah:

Those commentators only think about the slams.
It's not all about slams.
I bet they'd still call Clijsters the better player even if Wozniacki won those slams, though :tape:

I agree that it is better to have a #1 who plays more often. If Caroline had won even 1 of the Biggest 5 events I'd gladly accept her as #1. But it's more important to have a true and deserving #1. She's not deserving at all. If playing a million events is what you want in a #1 why not just base the ranking on events played?
She's not deserving even though at one point she almost had a 2000 point lead over Clijsters? :confused:
She IS deserving, she dominates everything and wins many titles and wins many matches.

Caroline is #1 and is the best player in the world.
Personally I like her style of play and her personality. That doesn't change the fact that she's a slamless shame of a #1.
A shame of a #1?? :rolleyes:
Ha!
As I said, all the titles, finals and semi-finals = shame of a #1 :yeah:
:rolleyes:

gorre
Mar 31st, 2011, 09:27 PM
Kimiko at #54 :rolleyes:

backhandsmash
Mar 31st, 2011, 09:32 PM
Kimiko at #54 :rolleyes:

Nah. That's just awesome.

terjw
Mar 31st, 2011, 09:35 PM
No player in that list is embarrasing with their ranking. What is embarrasing is the appalling cowardice, desperation and name calling by the OP and others to players who earned their rankings with their results.

fifty-fifty
Mar 31st, 2011, 09:36 PM
nobody

justineheninfan
Mar 31st, 2011, 09:39 PM
@danieln1 is just a pathetic troll so I am not gonna get pissed by his/her comments. If anything, Zvonareva should be ranked higher. Being ranked at #3 is really a big injustice to her and the WTA.

LOL based on what should Vera be ranked higher. She has gotten killed in her 2 slam finals, and won something like 2 tournaments in the last 15 months and one of them was Pattaya or something. Clijsters obviously should be ranked over her both from any angle. Wozniacki hasnt made a slam final in over a year but atleast has won alot of tier 1 and tier 2 tournaments rather than losing a whole bunch of finals. Personally I think Vera has more game than Wozniacki but unfortunately she usually doesnt show it when they step on court together, so there is no reason for her to be ranked higher than her either at this point.

pov
Mar 31st, 2011, 09:54 PM
IMO Anyone - Anyone - who thinks that any ranking of any player is "embarrassing for the game" is one of those "tennis fans" that Petkovic was referring to who are helluva better candidates for something embarrassing about the game than anything to do with the players. Good for a derisive chuckle though. :lol:

Shvedbarilescu
Mar 31st, 2011, 10:23 PM
Nah. That's just awesome.

:yeah:

Rollo
Mar 31st, 2011, 10:26 PM
HAHAHA, a joke :haha:
Yeah, 5 tier 1s, a slam semi-finalist the last 2 slams and numerous finals and other titles = a joke :lol:
Also a joke how she has won 3000 points already this season, right? :yeah:

All of the results you've listed above are fantastic-in and of themselves they aren't a joke. It's worthy of the #2 position. She's not winning everthing in sight-losing early here in Miami and the first round at Sydney.

The only thing I called a joke was her #1 ranking.


Those commentators only think about the slams.
It's not all about slams.
I bet they'd still call Clijsters the better player even if Wozniacki won those slams, though

It's certainly not allabout slams, but surely it's not asking too much of a #1 to win at least 1 out of 4 (or 5 if you include the YEC).

Until she passes that test her ranking is "embarrassing" in that it is constantly open to attack.

poulao
Mar 31st, 2011, 10:27 PM
This is just to predictable :lol:

SVK
Mar 31st, 2011, 10:29 PM
Kanepi or Stosur

Why???:confused::confused::confused:

Kanepi has pretty good results and she is consistent...+ she has a game:shrug:

I actually don´t understand being Kvitova, Kanepi, Bartoli or Shvedova on this pool:confused:

The only two players which deserve to be here are Pironkova and Rezai

I think this pool is just copy from MTF, and the difference between both is that this pool failed

Horizon
Mar 31st, 2011, 10:33 PM
@danieln1 is just a pathetic troll so I am not gonna get pissed by his/her comments. If anything, Zvonareva should be ranked higher. Being ranked at #3 is really a big injustice to her and the WTA.
:spit:

please

dont shit on other players if you're so deluded about your own

tennisforadults
Mar 31st, 2011, 10:38 PM
Just had a look at the current WTA rankings and I literally did this::facepalm:

Why? This is because there are so many overranked players and by being ranked where they are with their calibre, it is an utter disgrace to the game. Since there is a similar thread on MTF, I think that I might as well create a similar one to get everybody's views on whose ranking is the most embarrassing for the game.

Rankings are purely based on addition of points earned from results from the last 52 weeks.
e.g.
1+1=2

End of topic.

P.S. BepaMaria could be the most embarrassing OP to grace this forum in the last few months.

Miracle Worker
Mar 31st, 2011, 10:41 PM
I have the best answer:

Nicole Vaidisova - UNR.

fifty-fifty
Mar 31st, 2011, 10:43 PM
Caroline is #1 and is the best player in the world.



'#1' and 'the best player in the world' are not interchangeable terms.

When Woz actually beats Clijsters, then we can talk about her actually being the best. For now she's just taking advantage of players being injured, playing limited schedule, and weakened tour.

backhandsmash
Mar 31st, 2011, 10:50 PM
Calling her #1 ranking a joke? That's a joke, also.


Who else should be topranked? Clijsters? Sure. If she played more tournaments. But she doesn't.

Zvonareva? Sure. If she won more finals. But she doesn't.

jimmy_the_greek
Mar 31st, 2011, 11:29 PM
Peer and Kanepi from that list.

SVK
Mar 31st, 2011, 11:33 PM
Peer and Kanepi from that list.

Reason?

Petkorazzi
Mar 31st, 2011, 11:37 PM
Kvitova is just #18? :unsure: Actually, it's anything but embarassing that 17 players are ranked higher than her, because she has had some very good results in the last year.

Volcana
Apr 1st, 2011, 12:42 AM
Considering the first three players in that poll are all former slam finalists, having them where they are is no big deal. And the rest are no embarrassment, because nobody knows who they are anyway, outside of Peer.

Uranium
Apr 1st, 2011, 12:43 AM
Either Wozniacki or Pironkova.

Rollo
Apr 1st, 2011, 01:06 PM
Who else should be topranked? Clijsters? Sure. If she played more tournaments. But she doesn't.

Why should playing more be a requirement so long as she accomplishes more?

FleetSeb
Apr 1st, 2011, 01:41 PM
Shahar Peer is a very tempting option...

Pump-it-UP
Apr 1st, 2011, 01:52 PM
I have the best answer:

Nicole Vaidisova - UNR.
:crying2:

But Pironkova from the poll options. :o

backhandsmash
Apr 1st, 2011, 01:57 PM
Why should playing more be a requirement so long as she accomplishes more?

What I meant was that Clijsters needs to play more tournaments to get to #1. It's not a knock on Kim, just stating the obvious.

Sorry for not being more clear. :)

Rollo
Apr 1st, 2011, 04:48 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rollo http://imgsrv2.tennisuniverse.com/wtaworld/images/buttons/blue/viewpost.gif (http://www.tennisforum.com/showthread.php?p=19354750#post19354750)
Why should playing more be a requirement so long as she accomplishes more?

What I meant was that Clijsters needs to play more tournaments to get to #1. It's not a knock on Kim, just stating the obvious.

Sorry for not being more clear :)

No problem Backhandsmash:)

And yes, with the rankings as they are Kim does need to play more to get to #1. I doubt that she will. For better or worse the women who regularly win slams find that their bodies will not hold up playing 18 events yearly.

I hope I've been clear too-I have no problem with Caroline herself-my problem is with the rankings system . It's a flawed system that rewards mediocrity without the carrots and sticks it needs to get the top women to commit to the tour.

Akaniero
Apr 1st, 2011, 04:59 PM
Either Wozniacki or Pironkova.
:weirdo:

Are you serious?
Is anyone who said Wozniacki serious?
I certainly hope not :facepalm:

Matt01
Apr 1st, 2011, 05:43 PM
I hope I've been clear too-I have no problem with Caroline herself-my problem is with the rankings system . It's a flawed system that rewards mediocrity without the carrots and sticks it needs to get the top women to commit to the tour.


Yeah, because Caroline has been nothing but mediocre in the last year :rolleyes:

Akaniero
Apr 1st, 2011, 06:03 PM
The rankings are a flawed system that award mediocrity??? :haha:

Yeah, 5 tier 1s in a row, many matches won, 2 slam semis, other finals and titles = mediocre :haha: :weirdo:

Flabbergaster
Apr 1st, 2011, 06:42 PM
The rankings are a flawed system that award mediocrity??? :haha:

Yeah, 5 tier 1s in a row, many matches won, 2 slam semis, other finals and titles = mediocre :haha: :weirdo:

LoL!
:worship:

And people call you a troll. What a joke. You seem more reasonable then most posters here, hell even the mods lacks your brilliant perspective.
I think I like you WordLife, no funk that, I think I love you!:kiss:

Just had a look at the current WTA rankings and I literally did this::facepalm:

Why? This is because there are so many overranked players and by being ranked where they are with their calibre, it is an utter disgrace to the game. Since there is a similar thread on MTF, I think that I might as well create a similar one to get everybody's views on whose ranking is the most embarrassing for the game.

You sir, are a biased wanker and an immature troll.

BlueTrees
Apr 1st, 2011, 06:44 PM
Wow at the moment Wozniacki is leading the poll by a huge margin. Totally expected and NID :lol:

Yeah, just like you're predictions that Zvonareva would win Indian Wells and Miami. :oh:

CWTennis
Apr 1st, 2011, 08:16 PM
Wow at the moment Wozniacki is leading the poll by a huge margin. Totally expected and NID :lol:
Please,GTFO! http://www.gotennis.ru/forum/style_emoticons/default/Flush.gif

Yeah, just like you're predictions that Zvonareva would win Indian Wells and Miami. :oh:
Nostradamus, my ass! :haha:
Please, next tread! :lol:

Rollo
Apr 1st, 2011, 10:36 PM
Yeah, because Caroline has been nothing but mediocre in the last year

Matt-I didn't say Caroline was mediocre. I wrote that the rankings award mediocrity. And they do.

They do so in several ways:

First, by counting 16 events towards rankings (and it used to 18)-much higher than the 12 or 14 under the old averaging system. 14 would be much more sane without punishing those who play more.

Second, slams should be weighted more.

Third, losers are rewarded with too many points. Below are links to the WTA and ATP point allocations. On a percentile basis the WTA awards 100% to event winners, 70% to finalists, and 60% to semifinalists. The ATP scale is 100% to winners, 60& to finalists, and 36% to semifinalists. Frankly I think it should be more like 100% for winners, 50-% for finalists, and 30% for semifinalists. That's more like the way prize money works.

Finally, if the WTA does want its players to play more, why did they shorten the season?

The WTA points system
http://www.itftennis.com/shared/medialibrary/pdf/original/IO_54464_original.PDF

The ATP points system
http://www.itftennis.com/shared/medialibrary/pdf/original/IO_54465_original.PDF

backhandsmash
Apr 1st, 2011, 10:43 PM
How much should slams be worth then? 2500? 3000?


You are right, though, regarding losers getting too many points in finals. Do like the men do it.

Sammo
Apr 1st, 2011, 11:07 PM
Wozniacki at #1 And who else deserves it now? Clijsters is injured and doesn't give a damn
Stosur at #5 Not in great shape but she's there for what she did last year which was pretty amazing
Bartoli at #10 Talented woman
Peer at #11 Agree on this one
Kanepi at #16 Extremely talented girl, she should definately be higher
Kvitova at #18 Wimbledon Semifinalist and Australian Open quarterfinalist
#Rezai at #24 Agree, her biggest highlight was winning Madrid and I don't even know how she did it
Pironkova at #34 Agree, she may have reached the semifinals of Wimbledon but for God's sake, her current form is not even top 130, I voted her.
Shvedova at #42 She's so talented should be top 30, I don't how how world number 42 is embarrassing for tennis
Oudin at #75 -.- hmmm... I guess this is where she should be...

And where is Ivanovic?? Or Schiavone? If Stosur is there Schiavone must also be. And Sharapova is gaining some form again, but please before Miami it was pathetic.

Rollo
Apr 1st, 2011, 11:10 PM
The rankings are a flawed system that award mediocrity??? :haha:

I've demonstrated how they do, at least in comparison to the WTA.


Yeah, 5 tier 1s in a row, many matches won, 2 slam semis, other finals and titles = mediocre

5 Tier I's in a row is very impressive. 2 slam semis are nice, though Caro falls short of even Safina's slam finals when she was #1. This does not equal 2 Grand Slams and a YEC.

Many matches won is good too, though Caroline's won-lost percentage is less than Clisters. She also has a lower head to head vs the top ten than Clijsters. This goes to quantity vs quality. Quality should be weighted more heavily in the rankings.

And while this does seem personal to you, I'm pretty dispassionate about who is #1 so long as he or she has won a major. If this was 2003 I'd be having this debating this with rabid Clijsters fans and those who genuinely believe in the IMO, flawed ranking system. Clisters had a very good 2003 and sat on top of the rankings without a slam when Henin was clearly superior that year.

In the end this ranking does Caroline no good either. I can't change the offical ranking, but then neither you nor Caroline can change the fact that her ranking is and will be constantly challenged by the media and many fans. The slamless #1 brought no joy or luck to the likes of Safina or Jankovic, who found they contantly had to defend it. To Caroline's credit she has handled it better than Dinara or Jelena. The pressure is clearly there though. There is always pressure of course, but how sweet it would be if she became #1 on winning a slam? Instead the added burden of this ranking is likely to delay her winning a slam-and if she does it will bring just as much relief as joy.

Good luck to Clijsters in going for a third slam in a row. And good luck to Wozniacki in winning Roland Garros. And heaven help Caro if Clijsters wins Roland Garros with 3 slams and is still #2. At that point the chorus even the WTA might have to sit up and take notice.

Lucemferre
Apr 1st, 2011, 11:15 PM
Stop whining about Wozniacki's ranking.She's also no.1 if you calculate rankings using atp system. Those premiers are worth a lot of points like it or not and she's winning them.

thegreendestiny
Apr 2nd, 2011, 04:40 AM
Stosur at No. 5 is just way too sick. :mad:

Stonerpova
Apr 2nd, 2011, 05:28 AM
I'm okay with Wozniacki at #1, but you can't honestly say that she is the best player in the world with a straight face.

BepaMaria
Apr 2nd, 2011, 06:05 AM
I'm okay with Wozniacki at #1, but you can't honestly say that she is the best player in the world with a straight face.

Affirmative. When the player ranked at #1 is not the best player in the world and hasn't beaten any of the big 4 nor won a slam before, like it or not it is a huge embarrassment to the game no matter how you put it.

kman
Apr 2nd, 2011, 08:56 AM
Like with the WWW threads, people vote based on feelings and bias, not reason, not what they actually THINK. Nothing to see here folks.

kman
Apr 2nd, 2011, 08:57 AM
Affirmative. When the player ranked at #1 is not the best player in the world and hasn't beaten any of the big 4 nor won a slam before, like it or not it is a huge embarrassment to the game no matter how you put it.

Big four? As in Venus, Serena, Clijsters and Sharapova? Can't think of any other big four playing right now. And I'm pretty sure Caroline just spanked Sharapova twice in a row.

Steven.
Apr 2nd, 2011, 09:51 AM
Nah. That's just awesome.

:hearts::kiss: