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Josh.
Mar 27th, 2011, 04:16 AM
:oh:

Should have taken your numerous set-points in the second, Daniela.

InsideOut.
Mar 27th, 2011, 04:17 AM
Lots of opportunities wasted for Dani. Handful of set points in the 2nd, only to lose it on a DF :help:

Carotastrophe
Mar 27th, 2011, 04:17 AM
:cheer: the first set was good, but what happened in the second? A win is a win, though :D

goldenlox
Mar 27th, 2011, 04:17 AM
That was a wild df by Dani to end it. But that was the 1st close set Dani has ever had against Caro, now 3-0 h2h

Vartan
Mar 27th, 2011, 04:17 AM
:(

Jane Lane
Mar 27th, 2011, 04:18 AM
Watched the whole thing. Dani was utter shit in the first set, raised her level in the 2nd. Had 3 SPs...2 at 65* and another at *6-5 in the breaker. But that DF to end it... :help:

Otlichno
Mar 27th, 2011, 04:18 AM
:oh: Dani, set points are actually meant to be taken. :lol:

Especially if you have about 4 of them! :haha:

saul1333
Mar 27th, 2011, 04:18 AM
Good stuff in the 2nd set Dani :yeah:

zhengjieforever
Mar 27th, 2011, 04:18 AM
wozniacki came through for me :hysteric:

now shushu has a better chance of finally breaking into the top 30

MH0861
Mar 27th, 2011, 04:18 AM
Daniela played SO well in that second set at times but as soon as she put herself in a position to win it she just made the worst errors, capped off with the GOAT DF to lose the match on :mad:

Roookie
Mar 27th, 2011, 04:19 AM
Daniela you are useless :o. So many chances to win the second set :rolleyes:

Nico_E
Mar 27th, 2011, 04:20 AM
Hantchukova, once a choker always a choker... can never put a ball in court when it really matters :lol:

awful match

once again just highlights there is no Williams sisters, Henin, Hingis, Davenport, Mauresmo anymore. hacks like Wozniacki having it so easy

Blu€
Mar 27th, 2011, 04:20 AM
Caro :banana::kiss: Get some rest!
Second set sure was close, lots of BP for both players but neither converting. It was only fitting that they battled it out in a tie break! Shame about the DF.
Dani good fight :hug:

Matej
Mar 27th, 2011, 04:20 AM
Watched the whole thing. Dani was utter shit in the first set, raised her level in the 2nd. Had 3 SPs...2 at 65* and another at *6-5 in the breaker. But that DF to end it... :help:

Yeah, and she was 40:0 up on Wozniacki´s serve at 4:3 in the second set.

Ivanovic2008
Mar 27th, 2011, 04:20 AM
Nice win Caroline! I like Dani but sometimes she can be a bit of a complainer.....

CloudAtlas
Mar 27th, 2011, 04:21 AM
Wozniacki herself wasted so many break points and game points earlier on in the second set , this should have been 6-1 6-4 at the very worst.

Vee Williams
Mar 27th, 2011, 04:21 AM
It also shows that Caro is troubled by good variety. That's why Maria, for example, couldn't make a dent in her wall last week

Alarmed
Mar 27th, 2011, 04:22 AM
Lindsay was getting so pissed at Caroline.

"That did NOT just happen!"

Sad result.

Vikapower
Mar 27th, 2011, 04:22 AM
Hantuchova beeing her bloody self again... up 40-0 on Caro at 4-3 to go 5-3 all wasted... SP at 6-5 wasted... up 5-3 in the breaker wasted...

I'm not even her fan and my mind has been blown away... whatever.

wildemu
Mar 27th, 2011, 04:22 AM
lol, something tells me davenport doesnt like caroline. She was bitching about the 70 mph 1st serves all match long.

So Disrespectful
Mar 27th, 2011, 04:22 AM
Wasted 3 break points and 3 set points :hearts:.

She took out Zvonareva in Pattaya, came two points away from beating her in Doha and now had multiple set points against Caroline. If she'd just stop choking she could be in the top 20 again.

SwingVolley93
Mar 27th, 2011, 04:22 AM
Lindsay was getting so pissed at Caroline.

"That did NOT just happen!"

Sad result.

What did caro do that made Lidsay pissed???

Moveyourfeet
Mar 27th, 2011, 04:22 AM
Caro's 1st set point exemplifies what I can't stand about Caro. Throws in a 73mph first serve and hits a loopy backhand out wide. She had to wait for Dani to give her the match.
Ugh. women's tennis is so dumb to watch at times.

Wiggly
Mar 27th, 2011, 04:24 AM
Oh, Daniela.
The 2nd set and most probably the match was yours.

Just dance, Petko! Just dance.

Moveyourfeet
Mar 27th, 2011, 04:24 AM
lol, something tells me davenport doesnt like caroline. She was bitching about the 70 mph 1st serves all match long.

I think Lindsay is embarassed that Caro is pushing her way to wins as it makes women's tennis look bad.

She knows that if she were a number of years younger, she could have hit Caro off the court but these girls in gen suck are just :help:

MH0861
Mar 27th, 2011, 04:24 AM
What did caro do that made Lidsay pissed???

I think the 70MPH first serve on her first MP almost gave her a stroke :lol:

Matej
Mar 27th, 2011, 04:24 AM
lol, something tells me davenport doesnt like caroline. She was bitching about the 70 mph 1st serves all match long.
At her peak, Davenport would beat Caro something 6:1, 6:1 without any sort of troubles. :)

MH0861
Mar 27th, 2011, 04:25 AM
I think Lindsay is embarassed that Caro is pushing her way to wins as it makes women's tennis look bad.

She knows that if she were a number of years younger, she could have hit Caro off the court but these girls in gen suck are just :help:

Exactly - what she would give to play Wozniacki in slam finals instead of Venus and Serena!

cellophane
Mar 27th, 2011, 04:25 AM
LOLZ. Linds getting annoyed at Wozniacki is so Navratilova like (commentary wise)... But of course I agree with her :p

Alarmed
Mar 27th, 2011, 04:25 AM
What did caro do that made Lidsay pissed???

On her first match point Caroline spun in a 70 MPH first serve and Lindsay that was inexcusable and as the #1 player in the world you really have to step up to the moment and assert yourself.

Blu€
Mar 27th, 2011, 04:26 AM
I think Lindsay is embarassed that Caro is pushing her way to wins as it makes women's tennis look bad.

She knows that if she were a number of years younger, she could have hit Caro off the court but these girls in gen suck are just :help:

She can go and make babies if she doesn't want to watch tennis... We will survive without her commentating! :lol:

Ralph214
Mar 27th, 2011, 04:26 AM
Tons of wasted opportunities :(

But what did you expect?

wildemu
Mar 27th, 2011, 04:26 AM
I think Lindsay is embarassed that Caro is pushing her way to wins as it makes women's tennis look bad.

She knows that if she were a number of years younger, she could have hit Caro off the court but these girls in gen suck are just :help:

she was also lamenting the fact that dementieva and henin are out of the game. Basically saying she's upset that caroline has even less competition to face at slams.

BlackPanther.
Mar 27th, 2011, 04:28 AM
Daniela, held 3 SPs and then lost a DF? Wow, typical for you. :rolleyes:
Woz, :yeah:.

Tweety Snape
Mar 27th, 2011, 04:29 AM
lol, something tells me davenport doesnt like caroline. She was bitching about the 70 mph 1st serves all match long.
I also noticed she called Caroline "Wozniacki" the whole match and Dani "Daniela." Hmm, I wonder who she likes better........

backhandsmash
Mar 27th, 2011, 04:30 AM
http://d.yimg.com/a/p/sp/getty/a9/fullj.ed0a58021909baeb099716be8e06b774/ed0a58021909baeb099716be8e06b774-getty-107741091cc308_sony_ericsso.jpg

Epic 2nd set!

And we have to follow this on a scoreboard?

CloudAtlas
Mar 27th, 2011, 04:31 AM
She can go and make babies if she doesn't want to watch tennis... We will survive without her commentating! :lol:



Exactly. Plus I would like to think Lindsay is slightly more intelligent than the average TF poster and attributes the blame for the current state of the tour on the top players NOT playing well , which is basically all of them bar Wozniacki and Kim and not on Wozniacki herself , who is simply winning the matches she is supposed to play.

No point in hating Wozniacki for all the other players' epic failures.

Bonfire
Mar 27th, 2011, 04:31 AM
Was starting to get a bit worried in that second set but glad Caro pulled through! Good luck in 4th round:cool:

égalité
Mar 27th, 2011, 04:32 AM
davai :oh:

Roookie
Mar 27th, 2011, 04:34 AM
On her first match point Caroline spun in a 70 MPH first serve and Lindsay that was inexcusable and as the #1 player in the world you really have to step up to the moment and assert yourself.

That's so Caroline :lol:. She finally won the match with Dani's df. :worship:

Craig.
Mar 27th, 2011, 04:35 AM
God forbid one of the greatest players of all time criticizes Precious Miss Sunshine. Some of you Wozniacki fans :weirdo:

Wiggly
Mar 27th, 2011, 04:35 AM
I also noticed she called Caroline "Wozniacki" the whole match and Dani "Daniela." Hmm, I wonder who she likes better........

Well, Daniela and Lindsay are friends while Caroline is an kissing butt social climber specialist.

Nico_E
Mar 27th, 2011, 04:36 AM
I think Lindsay is embarassed that Caro is pushing her way to wins as it makes women's tennis look bad.

She knows that if she were a number of years younger, she could have hit Caro off the court but these girls in gen suck are just :help:couldnt agree more

Davenport knew what it took to win big titles beating excellant players round upon round, now she's retired and watching scrubs like this who cant put a ball in court on sp's

Well, Daniela and Lindsay are friends while Caroline is an kissing butt social climber specialist.:lol:

which latest ATP player is Woz tarting herself for attention too this week?

Matej
Mar 27th, 2011, 04:38 AM
Exactly. Plus I would like to think Lindsay is slightly more intelligent than the average TF poster and attributes the blame for the current state of the tour on the top players NOT playing well , which is basically all of them bar Wozniacki and Kim and not on Wozniacki herself , who is simply winning the matches she is supposed to play.

No point in hating Wozniacki for all the other players' epic failures.

Yeah, that´s true. I certainly agree that Wozniacki´s "domination" (or whatever) of the WTA Tour is truly an epic failure of all other top players. Just imagine a male incarnation of Wozniacki (with her defensive and mostly passive style of play) on the ATP Tour -- he would not be in top 100, let alone the No. 1. :)

backhandsmash
Mar 27th, 2011, 04:38 AM
Also, Daniela has been around a lot longer. Maybe that matters, I don't know.

tkutsaar
Mar 27th, 2011, 04:38 AM
Hantchukova, once a choker always a choker... can never put a ball in court when it really matters :lol:

awful match

once again just highlights there is no Williams sisters, Henin, Hingis, Davenport, Mauresmo anymore. hacks like Wozniacki having it so easy

Yup and for that matter no Capriati, Seles, Sanchez-Vicario and no Graf, Navratilova or Evert either. Mind you there still is Clijsters, Sharapova, Schiavone and Kuznetsova so take heart all is not lost.

DownInAHole
Mar 27th, 2011, 04:41 AM
Not a very impressive second set from Caroline but she stayed in it and got the win. An ugly win is still a win.

Nico_E
Mar 27th, 2011, 04:43 AM
Just imagine a male incarnation of Wozniacki (with her defensive and mostly passive style of play) on the ATP Tour -- he would not be in top 100, let alone the No. 1. :)have you need Nadal before ? moonballer who retrieves all day

tucker1989
Mar 27th, 2011, 04:45 AM
Well, Daniela and Lindsay are friends while Caroline is an kissing butt social climber specialist.

Exactly. Lindsay and Daniela also played quite a bit of doubles together in 2007/2008

Nicolás89
Mar 27th, 2011, 04:46 AM
I think Lindsay is embarassed that Caro is pushing her way to wins as it makes women's tennis look bad.

She knows that if she were a number of years younger, she could have hit Caro off the court but these girls in gen suck are just :help:

Oh yes, because when SHE was number one in the world no one thought that it was bad for women's tennis that she was winning matches without even moving from the baseline, did she even had to train? WHAT A BITCH! :bigclap:

HRHoliviasmith
Mar 27th, 2011, 04:47 AM
i would have hated caro forever if she had let that overrated, useless hantuchova take her to three sets.

Shadowcat
Mar 27th, 2011, 04:47 AM
Congratz to Caro! :cheer:

Hantuchova...good try...:hug:

FoxyliciousKhat
Mar 27th, 2011, 04:49 AM
God forbid one of the greatest players of all time criticizes Precious Miss Sunshine. Some of you Wozniacki fans :weirdo:

It doesn't matter if Lindsay is the one of the greatest or even the greatest player. What matters is her learning to be impartial when she's on air calling the matches. And I don't mean her alone, as I know it's commonly done. However, it's not totally Wozniacki's fault she's able to win a point with her slow serve but Dani's or whoever is facing her that allows it. If Lindsay has a problem with it, then she need to sit with Dani or whoever else and tell them what to do, not get on the air and bash Caro.

It's funny how people suddenly forget that before Monica, Linds, Venus, Serena, Maria and other power hitters, it was the slow servers that were ruling tennis. It ain't nothing totally new.

And all the harping about Caro's style of play won't change anything, but if people enjoy getting heartburns over this so be it.

GO CARO!

Foxy

Vikapower
Mar 27th, 2011, 04:49 AM
She can go and make babies if she doesn't want to watch tennis... We will survive without her commentating! :lol:

Let's see... I take the sayings of one of the most brilliant players to have ever been on tour or the ones of some random poster who can't even align 2 respectable decent phrases to justify his fave !?

Sorry dude I take Lindsey over your back anytime, anywhere... even if it ends up being deadly... BTW we didn't need the sight of one of the greatest to know that Caro Woz sucks big.

Lindsey would have toyed Caro Woz without breaking a sweat, she knows it, claims it indirectly and does so rightfully from her different H2H to mugs... achievements... etc... ROFL !! Peace.

Matej
Mar 27th, 2011, 04:52 AM
have you need Nadal before ? moonballer who retrieves all day

OK, but the "old", less aggressive Nadal had groundstrokes, retrieving & defensive skills plus movement and athtletic abilities which were 10 000 times better than the aforesaid "male incarnation of Wozniacki" would have had. ;)

C. W. Fields
Mar 27th, 2011, 05:11 AM
On her first match point Caroline spun in a 70 MPH first serve and Lindsay said that was inexcusable and as the #1 player in the world you really have to step up to the moment and assert yourself.

Caro's current strategy seems to be safe serving. She often got in trouble on her 2nd serve so she has taken some pace off her 1st serve to land a high percentage of them; in this match 79% which is pretty standard these days. Of course that means she doesn't win many easy points on serve but she wins so many points from neutral thanks to her consistent game she thinks it's worth it to avoid playing many 2nd serve points; against Dani she only had to play 16 the whole match.

Smitten
Mar 27th, 2011, 05:12 AM
LOLZ. Linds getting annoyed at Wozniacki is so Navratilova like (commentary wise)... But of course I agree with her :p

Davenport is always so shady in the booth, but she injects just enough class to make it work. :lol: I love it.

Typical from Daniela. I'd go so far to say even if she had taken her SPs she would have then just choked the 3rd.

Natash.
Mar 27th, 2011, 05:15 AM
She doesn't dislike Caro. She complimented her a few times. It's annoying to watch Caro just sit there and retrieve balls because she doesn't want to make the mistake instead of taking the match into her own hands and ending it.

ElusiveChanteuse
Mar 27th, 2011, 05:24 AM
Caro :cheer:

tkutsaar
Mar 27th, 2011, 05:26 AM
A typical thread after a Caro win. The opponent gave it to Wozniaki. Just another fluke victory for Caro; she didn’t need to do a thing. Sure is a lucky girl.

I notice in this thread there is a new bit of vitriol that Caro haters are latching on to. Apparently it is a certainty that Davenport in her prime would have cleaned her clock; 6-1, 6-1 one poster assured us. Why stop at Davenport? No doubt any past slam champion will do. This will become a handy diatribe for the Caro haters to utilize once she starts racking up slams.

CloudAtlas
Mar 27th, 2011, 05:35 AM
A typical thread after a Caro win. The opponent gave it to Wozniaki. Just another fluke victory for Caro; she didn’t need to do a thing. Sure is a lucky girl.

I also noticed how people claimed that it was Hantuchova who choked and let Caro back into the match when in fact Caro herself blew many big leads and allowed Hantuchova back into the match on several occasions too. But I guess people only see what they want to see.

Mistress of Evil
Mar 27th, 2011, 05:41 AM
Danka:bigcry:

spencercarlos
Mar 27th, 2011, 05:48 AM
It doesn't matter if Lindsay is the one of the greatest or even the greatest player. What matters is her learning to be impartial when she's on air calling the matches. And I don't mean her alone, as I know it's commonly done. However, it's not totally Wozniacki's fault she's able to win a point with her slow serve but Dani's or whoever is facing her that allows it. If Lindsay has a problem with it, then she need to sit with Dani or whoever else and tell them what to do, not get on the air and bash Caro.

It's funny how people suddenly forget that before Monica, Linds, Venus, Serena, Maria and other power hitters, it was the slow servers that were ruling tennis. It ain't nothing totally new.

And all the harping about Caro's style of play won't change anything, but if people enjoy getting heartburns over this so be it.

GO CARO!

Foxy
Just going a little back before Monica, it was Steffi and Martina, both had the greatest serve of their generation at their respective peak times.

Anyway Wozniacki is not a bad server by any means, in fact her serve is usually a weapon, she can sneak aces here and there, the point is and is a very valid point from Lindsay is that Wozniacki hit such a defensive serve at match point.

Top players, top notch players usually go for and make shots at the most important times in matches, Caroline seemed content just to using that serve to start the point over... and Carolina can certainly hit hard on her serve.. hmmm

CWTennis
Mar 27th, 2011, 05:49 AM
Well done Caro! :) Just keep winning, I love when haters whine! :lol:

TennisFan66
Mar 27th, 2011, 06:11 AM
A typical thread after a Caro win. The opponent gave it to Wozniaki. Just another fluke victory for Caro; she didn’t need to do a thing. Sure is a lucky girl.

I notice in this thread there is a new bit of vitriol that Caro haters are latching on to. Apparently it is a certainty that Davenport in her prime would have cleaned her clock; 6-1, 6-1 one poster assured us. Why stop at Davenport? No doubt any past slam champion will do. This will become a handy diatribe for the Caro haters to utilize once she starts racking up slams.

Didnt read the thread but I'll take your word for it :lol: and yes, its always claimed here than anyone who's retired can beat Caro with ease. Convenient, as one can claim anything and it can never be disproved..

WD Caro baby. Keep the win streak in Tier 1/Super Tier 1 alive!

Matej
Mar 27th, 2011, 07:00 AM
I notice in this thread there is a new bit of vitriol that Caro haters are latching on to. Apparently it is a certainty that Davenport in her prime would have cleaned her clock; 6-1, 6-1 one poster assured us. Why stop at Davenport? No doubt any past slam champion will do. This will become a handy diatribe for the Caro haters to utilize once she starts racking up slams.
I am no "Caro hater"; I was just stating the obvious. :) If Davenport were 25 years old today, she might very well win another 6-8 GS titles. Especially if Clijsters retires next year. Today´s WTA Top is the weakest ever (well, the exception might be 1997-98).

tea
Mar 27th, 2011, 07:01 AM
:oh:

Should have taken your numerous set-points in the second, Daniela.
Why didn't she? "Mentally weak" Woz didn't collapse facing setpoints?:eek: BepaMaria troll won't be happy.:(

A typical thread after a Caro win. The opponent gave it to Wozniaki. Just another fluke victory for Caro; she didn’t need to do a thing. Sure is a lucky girl.
:lol: At least we can't blame them in inconsistency, can we?

Josh.
Mar 27th, 2011, 07:17 AM
Why didn't she? "Mentally weak" Woz didn't collapse facing setpoints?:eek: BepaMaria troll won't be happy.:(

Do you know Daniela? Any kind of pressure she folds. I was saying it more sarcastically then anything. By the way, nice segway into how 'great' Woz is.

Derek.
Mar 27th, 2011, 07:38 AM
Caro. :D

Daniela. :smash:

rimon
Mar 27th, 2011, 07:46 AM
Caro :banana::kiss: Get some rest!
Second set sure was close, lots of BP for both players but neither converting. It was only fitting that they battled it out in a tie break! Shame about the DF.
Dani good fight :hug:

Kim HAS saved the WTA Tour. If it weren't for her, I shudder to think how bad it would be now.

Lachy
Mar 27th, 2011, 08:27 AM
Expected. But again I'm just not impressed with the world number 1 serving a 70MPH serve when she is up and has set point :shrug: Try and force the play rather than wait for an error :o

doomsday
Mar 27th, 2011, 08:30 AM
Expected. But again I'm just not impressed with the world number 1 serving a 70MPH serve when she is up and has set point :shrug: Try and force the play rather than wait for an error :o

THIS. It's really painful.

WozTakesAll
Mar 27th, 2011, 08:41 AM
Exactly. Plus I would like to think Lindsay is slightly more intelligent than the average TF poster and attributes the blame for the current state of the tour on the top players NOT playing well , which is basically all of them bar Wozniacki and Kim and not on Wozniacki herself , who is simply winning the matches she is supposed to play.

No point in hating Wozniacki for all the other players' epic failures.

Quoted for truth! It boggles my mind every time Caro is blamed for winning too easy, harming the WTA tour and so on - whos fault is that? Caro or the (missing) opponents?

gdmirou
Mar 27th, 2011, 08:42 AM
She can go and make babies if she doesn't want to watch tennis... We will survive without her commentating! :lol:

:oh:

gdmirou
Mar 27th, 2011, 09:01 AM
It doesn't matter if Lindsay is the one of the greatest or even the greatest player. What matters is her learning to be impartial when she's on air calling the matches. And I don't mean her alone, as I know it's commonly done. However, it's not totally Wozniacki's fault she's able to win a point with her slow serve but Dani's or whoever is facing her that allows it. If Lindsay has a problem with it, then she need to sit with Dani or whoever else and tell them what to do, not get on the air and bash Caro.

It's funny how people suddenly forget that before Monica, Linds, Venus, Serena, Maria and other power hitters, it was the slow servers that were ruling tennis. It ain't nothing totally new.

And all the harping about Caro's style of play won't change anything, but if people enjoy getting heartburns over this so be it.

GO CARO!

Foxy

:yeah:
Davenport, don't be such a...:tape:!

Go, Sunshine!:wavey:

Slutiana
Mar 27th, 2011, 09:06 AM
Oh yes, because when SHE was number one in the world no one thought that it was bad for women's tennis that she was winning matches without even moving from the baseline, did she even had to train? WHAT A BITCH! :bigclap:
This post is kind of a flop considering Lindsay was a brilliant volleyer with perfect volley technique and incredible hands and instincts at the net, and often moved forwards.

Libertango
Mar 27th, 2011, 09:12 AM
Dani :rolleyes:

Hian
Mar 27th, 2011, 09:22 AM
What a wasted opportunity :facepalm:

Njalle
Mar 27th, 2011, 09:37 AM
Who is this Davenport anyway? :shrug: Don't hate the player, hate the game! If she doesn't like the game, she better come back and prove what kind of tennis that is superior in stead of ranting over the current world #1 as a random commentator. Real tennis stars are better than that.

Pro-tip: She won't come back, because she knows what would happen.

~Cherry*Blossom~
Mar 27th, 2011, 10:04 AM
lmao!!! I'm not a Wozniacki hater, in fact I could care less about her or most of the women on the tour (barring Venus & Serena) but I have to say some of the Wozniacki fans' arguments are soooooooooooooo shit.

It is just hilarious reading them! In reality they have no case to argue about, so seeing them trying to make a point is so funny! I mean one fan trying to criticise Davenport's tennis skills :facepalm: There are no words!

SVK
Mar 27th, 2011, 10:21 AM
I left when it was 0-3 with a fear that it will be doublebagel...now I read she once again wasted (4) SP´s...don´t know which is worse:(

Smitten
Mar 27th, 2011, 10:47 AM
This post is kind of a flop considering Lindsay was a brilliant volleyer with perfect volley technique and incredible hands and instincts at the net, and often moved forwards.

Everything is true besides the bolded. Lindsay was too slow in getting to the net and didn't move forward and utilize her volleying as much as she could and should have.

PMBH
Mar 27th, 2011, 10:56 AM
Let's see... I take the sayings of one of the most brilliant players to have ever been on tour or the ones of some random poster who can't even align 2 respectable decent phrases to justify his fave !?


Christ, now we're even supposed to take FUGLY Davenport's statements seriously!? Well, I guess everybody are entitled to their opinions. But who cares as long as Caro continues to do what she does best: winning tennis matches!!!

tea
Mar 27th, 2011, 11:07 AM
On her first match point Caroline spun in a 70 MPH first serve and Lindsay that was inexcusable and as the #1 player in the world you really have to step up to the moment and assert yourself.

I also noticed she called Caroline "Wozniacki" the whole match and Dani "Daniela." Hmm, I wonder who she likes better........

:haha:
I see you guys have got some quality commentary there. One jealous veteran lecturing current world's best player how to play the sport. Probably couldn't occur to her that not everybody plays that primitive style of tennis she's been playing. Davenport should have sat quietly and learn from best player's movement and tactics. One would think former tennis player that even won something somewhen knows the sport better than to impose her boring playstyle as the only allowable.:facepalm:

Dodoboy.
Mar 27th, 2011, 11:09 AM
Caro :cheer:

Sure TF is misreading Lindsay, she wouldn't!

Richie's
Mar 27th, 2011, 11:15 AM
Well I was expected at least a set from Daniela. She had her chances and that's the positive of the whole match.

Guys, Caroline isn't No 1 in the world just depends in luck. She plays tennis, she wins matches... Playing the No 1 in the world isn't the easiest thing.

Matej
Mar 27th, 2011, 11:20 AM
:haha:
I see you guys have got some quality commentary there. One jealous veteran lecturing current world's best player how to play the sport. Probably couldn't occur to her that not everybody plays that primitive style of tennis she's been playing. Davenport should have sat quietly and learn from best player's movement and tactics. One would think former tennis player that even won something somewhen knows the sport better than to impose her boring playstyle as the only allowable.:facepalm:
The stupidest post ever? :worship::worship::worship:

Apoleb
Mar 27th, 2011, 11:31 AM
Lindsay was getting so pissed at Caroline.

"That did NOT just happen!"

Sad result.

:crying2:

I desperately need to watch a Caro match commentated by Lindsey. I'd love hearing bitchy Lindsey going all over her.

Anyway, it shows again that this attitude towards Caro is hardly a TF thing.

The Dawntreader
Mar 27th, 2011, 11:32 AM
This post is kind of a flop considering Lindsay was a brilliant volleyer with perfect volley technique and incredible hands and instincts at the net, and often moved forwards.

Kind of a flop? Davenport pretty much makes Wozniacki look like a rank amateur.

Corswandt
Mar 27th, 2011, 11:44 AM
Anyway, it shows again that this attitude towards Caro is hardly a TF thing.

It seems to be the former players such as Davenport and Navratilova mostly; the "civilian" commentators on the other hand will praise whoever is winning.

Ellery
Mar 27th, 2011, 11:45 AM
Caro :cheer:

cn ireland
Mar 27th, 2011, 11:48 AM
Nice win Caro:)!

Dave.
Mar 27th, 2011, 11:54 AM
This thread. :lol:


What has Navratilova said about Woz?


Everything is true besides the bolded. Lindsay was too slow in getting to the net and didn't move forward and utilize her volleying as much as she could and should have.

Fair point, but she did move forwards enough for her not to be classed simply as a baseliner.

Break My Rapture
Mar 27th, 2011, 11:55 AM
I find it really alarming how many players choke their opportunities against Wozniacki.

Corswandt
Mar 27th, 2011, 11:58 AM
It seems to be the former players such as Davenport and Navratilova mostly; the "civilian" commentators on the other hand will praise whoever is winning.

+ even at TF things will eventually change. The number of people in here who have Wozniacki as one of their faves must be about twice what it was even at the beginning of this year.

The 2nd Law
Mar 27th, 2011, 12:01 PM
+ even at TF things will eventually change. The number of people in here who have Wozniacki as one of their faves must be about twice what it was even at the beginning of this year.

True, and four times as much as last year.

Juanes
Mar 27th, 2011, 12:01 PM
Daniela :hug: :sad:

KV
Mar 27th, 2011, 12:02 PM
God forbid one of the greatest players of all time criticizes Precious Miss Sunshine. Some of you Wozniacki fans :weirdo:

Spot on. And with such of kind of matches. Are you wondering the popularity of women's tennis is going downhill. Well, in my neighbourhood people don't talk about Caro, why's that?

Corswandt
Mar 27th, 2011, 12:06 PM
+ even at TF things will eventually change. The number of people in here who have Wozniacki as one of their faves must be about twice what it was even at the beginning of this year.

True, and four times as much as last year.

Wozniacka's core fanbase (i.e. those who have her as their main/lone fave) remains more or less the same, but the number of people who ignore the persistent hostility of TFs resident punditry and are now favourably inclined to her is growing exponentially.

Success = popularity.

TennisFan66
Mar 27th, 2011, 12:07 PM
Spot on. And with such of kind of matches. Are you wondering the popularity of women's tennis is going downhill. Well, in my neighbourhood people don't talk about Caro, why's that?

Based on what measure do you reach that conclusion? And pls not just because you've read it in GM.

danieln1
Mar 27th, 2011, 12:07 PM
GOAT Df at match point.... Typical Daniela!!!! Hardly surprised by the way

Apoleb
Mar 27th, 2011, 12:15 PM
It seems to be the former players such as Davenport and Navratilova mostly; the "civilian" commentators on the other hand will praise whoever is winning.

But the question has also been brought up in the pressers quite a few times.

Of course the WTA will do their best to put her in good light. And yes, if she keeps on winning, her support will continue to grow but I also think the criticism will remain very vocal. At the end of it all, tennis fans as a group are not stupid.

Steff_forever
Mar 27th, 2011, 12:19 PM
Daniela played SO well in that second set at times but as soon as she put herself in a position to win it she just made the worst errors, capped off with the GOAT DF to lose the match on :mad:

this.

why ? -->Dani.
why a fan ? -->sheer hope to turn this inability around just before she finally retires

:sobbing:
take revenge for Dani, dear Andrea ! (sorry Caro, you're the hunted)

Corswandt
Mar 27th, 2011, 12:23 PM
But the question has also been brought up in the pressers quite a few times.

Of course the WTA will do their best to put her in good light. And yes, if she keeps on winning, her support will continue to grow but I also think the criticism will remain very vocal. At the end of it all, tennis fans as a group are not stupid.

No such thing. In here, only a bunch of rival, perpetually quarrelling fanbases. Out there, people who simply can't get enough of long, Pong-ish baseline rallies.

+ all such criticism will cease once she wins her first GS (save for the same old h8t0rz in here, but who will care about them then?). What else will be left to criticise? I mean, if the "You can't argue against success" argument is already used so often re: Wozniacka, how will it be then?

!VamosRafa!
Mar 27th, 2011, 12:29 PM
I didn't expect the 2nd set to be so close...
I'm so sorry for Dani,another choke:sad:
DF to end the match:help:
Congrats to Caro for her 3rd Premier Mandatory in a row:worship:

Andreas
Mar 27th, 2011, 12:30 PM
Spot on. And with such of kind of matches. Are you wondering the popularity of women's tennis is going downhill. Well, in my neighbourhood people don't talk about Caro, why's that?

Who cares about your neighbourhood? What makes it special? :lol: My friends only know about Wozniacki and Ivanovic (because I used to talk about her constantly).

On what are you basing that the popularity of women's tennis is going downhill? Indian Wells just had a record breaking attendance and can you tell me who won that tournament?

This thread is just about every other thread after a Wozniacki win. The usual Wozniacki haters spewing the same old shit. At least they feel like they have a new argument in a comment from a retired player to spice things up a bit. People should just accept the fact that Wozniacki is no. 1 and the best player on the tour at the moment and move on. If people feel like women's tennis is ruined or whatever, they are free to stop following it.

sammy01
Mar 27th, 2011, 12:43 PM
not surprised by this. caro has now created an aura around her that is making getting the win or sets against her for lower-ish ranked players like dani even more tough. of course her aura wont do much for her vs kim or serena especially if she hits 70mph serves.

right now there are only about 5 or 6 players who don't shit themselves at the thought of the hard work and being mentally tough to play caro, sad really as her game is still very exploitable.

AcesHigh
Mar 27th, 2011, 12:44 PM
Oh god.. seems like every Caro thread the "experts" feel the need to give their "input"

Congrats Caro. Better luck next time Dani.

KV
Mar 27th, 2011, 12:44 PM
Who cares about your neighbourhood? What makes it special? :lol: My friends only know about Wozniacki and Ivanovic (because I used to talk about her constantly).

On what are you basing that the popularity of women's tennis is going downhill? Indian Wells just had a record breaking attendance and can you tell me who won that tournament?

This thread is just about every other thread after a Wozniacki win. The usual Wozniacki haters spewing the same old shit. At least they feel like they have a new argument in a comment from a retired player to spice things up a bit. People should just accept the fact that Wozniacki is no. 1 and the best player on the tour at the moment and move on. If people feel like women's tennis is ruined or whatever, they are free to stop following it.

Just accept the fact not everybody likes Caro. The proves are there that tennis used to be more popular. Don't know how long you follow tennis, not for long I suppose. And when I say something I follow the majority. As long as I follow tennis in my neighbourhood the names of Connors/McEnroe/Noah were on people's lips. And I mean by the people who are more interested in football.

The Dawntreader
Mar 27th, 2011, 12:48 PM
Oh god.. seems like every Caro thread the "experts" feel the need to give their "input"

Congrats Caro. Better luck next time Dani.

It's a messageboard. What did you expect?

AcesHigh
Mar 27th, 2011, 12:50 PM
It's a messageboard. What did you expect?

A lot of things.. but there are certain posters who come into every Caro thread and post the same things over and over again presenting their opinion as fact.

Andreas
Mar 27th, 2011, 12:52 PM
Just accept the fact not everybody likes Caro. The proves are there that tennis used to be more popular. Don't know how long you follow tennis, not for long I suppose. And when I say something I follow the majority. As long as I follow tennis in my neighbourhood the names of Connors/McEnroe/Noah were on people's lips. And I mean by the people who are more interested in football.

I believe I have accepted that long ago :lol: Her haters just seem so desperate and pressed. It is actually kind of funny I guess. I just don't in any way see how Wozniacki can be blamed for a possible downfall of tennis.

I've followed tennis since 2003. And obviously the people in your neighbourhood know those names. Y'all are old American (?) gimps. Short-term memory decreases over age you know.

sammy01
Mar 27th, 2011, 12:53 PM
A lot of things.. but there are certain posters who come into every Caro thread and post the same things over and over again presenting their opinion as fact.

i guess at least they have opinions, could be worse they could be like goldenlox who just posts how much caro has earned or matches she has won over and over

AcesHigh
Mar 27th, 2011, 12:57 PM
i guess at least they have opinions, could be worse they could be like goldenlox who just posts how much caro has earned or matches she has won over and over

:lol: True, but seeing the same thing over and over again (esp if it's negativity) gets tiring and eventually, pathetic. Same goes for goldenlox

Break My Rapture
Mar 27th, 2011, 01:03 PM
:lol: True, but seeing the same thing over and over again (esp if it's negativity) gets tiring and eventually, pathetic. Same goes for goldenlox
Well, you know, it's not like Wozniacki's play "inspires" people to say something different everytime she plays. :shrug:

TennisFan66
Mar 27th, 2011, 01:04 PM
Spot on. And with such of kind of matches. Are you wondering the popularity of women's tennis is going downhill. Well, in my neighbourhood people don't talk about Caro, why's that?

Just accept the fact not everybody likes Caro. The proves are there that tennis used to be more popular. Don't know how long you follow tennis, not for long I suppose. And when I say something I follow the majority. As long as I follow tennis in my neighbourhood the names of Connors/McEnroe/Noah were on people's lips. And I mean by the people who are more interested in football.

Dude, you start by claiming womens tennis is going downhill. Then in your next post, you talk about Conners/McEnroe (Noah?) .. right nvm, those are not women.

Pls state what measures you use to conclude 'womens tennis is going downhill'. Hint: You need more than claiming your 'neighbourhood' or because madmax posted it in GM.

delicatecutter
Mar 27th, 2011, 01:06 PM
Hantuchova is a noted hot mess and did way more than I expected from her. As disappointed as I was that she didn't capitalize on any of her SP, she would have lost the third set anyway. Even she didn't seem that disappointed by her loss. It's just frustrating because her game is so much better to watch than Wozniacki's.

KV
Mar 27th, 2011, 01:09 PM
Dude, you start by claiming womens tennis is going downhill. Then in your next post, you talk about Conners/McEnroe (Noah?) .. right nvm, those are not women.

Pls state what measures you use to conclude 'womens tennis is going downhill'. Hint: You need more than claiming your 'neighbourhood' or because madmax posted it in GM.Well, I have experienced the days of Evert/Navratilova in the 80's, I think I follow tennis a bit longer than you do. :lol: For the so maniest time tennisfan66, when posters don't like Caro, you don't need to reply on and on again like a kindergarten 14 y.o. I remember you regularly have a go at other players, and someone says something about Caro you start crying like a kindergarden child.

Apoleb
Mar 27th, 2011, 01:25 PM
http://imgsrv2.tennisuniverse.com/wtaworld/images/buttons/blue/viewpost.gif (http://www.tennisforum.com/showthread.php?p=19328802#post19328802) A lot of things.. but there are certain posters who come into every Caro thread and post the same things over and over again presenting their opinion as fact.


Blame Lindsey Davenport. She agrees with us, btw.

What else will be left to criticise? I mean, if the "You can't argue against success" argument is already used so often re: Wozniacka, how will it be then?My favorite line of attack has always been that the tour is in such a mess, and that's why she's winning. Of course though even that will run its course because everyone will just get used to it in 4/5 years.

sammy01
Mar 27th, 2011, 01:26 PM
^i didn't post that :sad: :p

Apoleb
Mar 27th, 2011, 01:28 PM
^i didn't post that :sad: :p

I know. Fixed it.

AcesHigh
Mar 27th, 2011, 01:28 PM
Blame Lindsey Davenport. She agrees with us, btw.


So blame Lindsay Davenport for you having nothing better to do with your time than to post the same garbage over and over again about a player you don't even like?

At least she's getting paid for her criticism :lol:

Matt01
Mar 27th, 2011, 01:29 PM
Congrats, Caro :yeah:


Well, you know, it's not like Wozniacki's play "inspires" people to say something different everytime she plays. :shrug:


What kind of lame, supid response to AcesHigh's post is that? :lol:

:weirdo:

Apoleb
Mar 27th, 2011, 01:34 PM
So blame Lindsay Davenport for you having nothing better to do with your time than to post the same garbage over and over again about a player you don't even like?

At least she's getting paid for her criticism :lol:

You're acting like this conversation was started randomly in another Caro thread when that's not the case at all. Several people mentioned how pissed Lindsay was at Caro's style of play, so that conversation was very appropriate especially that you were the one that claimed in another thread how insignificant the criticism is.

And btw, what makes you think you're spending your time in more worthy ways on here? At least we're giving opinions about tennis and tour, while you are bitching about the bitching. :lol::lol:

doomsday
Mar 27th, 2011, 01:34 PM
What kind of lame, supid response to AcesHigh's post is that? :lol:

:weirdo:

I like that answer. I want to see the days where Caroline changes her approach and not waiting for errors. 70mph serve :help: I can serve harder than that.:tape:

Break My Rapture
Mar 27th, 2011, 01:36 PM
What kind of lame, supid response to AcesHigh's post is that? :lol:

:weirdo:
It means that Wozniacki doesn't give us much material to talk about something else besides the so called (by Wozniacki fans) "posts filled with tiring and pathetic negativity" towards Woz, which are focused mostly around her exploitable weaknesses.

We only post what we think and see, it's not our fault if Wozniacki remains this dependent on her opponents instead of taking matters into her own hands and tries to finish off points or in this case sets, which she tried to do with a 70 mph serve.

Matt01
Mar 27th, 2011, 01:39 PM
We only post what we think and see, it's not our fault if Wozniacki remains this dependent on her opponents instead of taking matters into her own hands and tries to finish off points or in this case matches, which she tried to do with a 70 mph serve.


Woz is winning the Tier I's tournaments left and right, why should she change her style? To please haters like you? NO!

goldenlox
Mar 27th, 2011, 01:39 PM
In Caro's last 3 matches, Marion, Beth, Dani..
she won the first set easily, then her opponent made the 2nd set closer.
That's interesting. I wonder if her opponents come out a little intimidated now.
Caro's won about 28 Tier I matches in a row.
I'll have to watch how Andrea starts off.

AcesHigh
Mar 27th, 2011, 01:42 PM
You're acting like this conversation was started randomly in another Caro thread when that's not the case at all. Several people mentioned how pissed Lindsay was at Caro's style of play, so that conversation was very appropriate especially that you were the one that claimed in another thread how insignificant the criticism is.

And btw, what makes you think you're spending your time in more worthy ways on here? At least we're giving opinions about tennis and tour, while you are bitching about the bitching. :lol::lol:

I'm laughing at how pretentious some of you are and how ridiculous the Caro commenting is getting.

Whether the conversation was relevant or not to this thread is unimportant.

For years now, several posters (including yourself) have been in Caro threads stating the same things over and over again.
Seriously, you guys deserve your own sub-forum where you can talk about how unappealing she is and how terrible the tour is and continue your circle jerk in private.

It gets really really really old.

And I love Davenport, but there is no question that she is opinionated. I take her word as another opinion while some here are desperate to see it as an affirmation of how right they are.

goldenlox
Mar 27th, 2011, 01:42 PM
If Caro doesnt win the FO, doesnt win Wimbledon, doesnt win, the USO, doesnt win the 2012 AO..
then she will be 21 and still have years ahead of her.
So to me, its important that she keeps improving, keeps handling different opponents, different situations.
Because majors are just tournaments.
I've seen Fran and Sveta and Ivanovic win them. Caro beats those players.

Break My Rapture
Mar 27th, 2011, 01:43 PM
Woz is winning the Tier I's tournaments left and right, why should she change her style? To please haters like you? NO!
Ugh. Then don't fucking whine when people critisize her game.

AcesHigh
Mar 27th, 2011, 01:46 PM
It means that Wozniacki doesn't give us much material to talk about something else besides the so called (by Wozniacki fans) "posts filled with tiring and pathetic negativity" towards Woz, which are focused mostly around her exploitable weaknesses.

We only post what we think and see, it's not our fault if Wozniacki remains this dependent on her opponents instead of taking matters into her own hands and tries to finish off points or in this case sets, which she tried to do with a 70 mph serve.

Posts like this show a basic misunderstanding of tennis that has been brought about by "big babe tennis"

Only a fool would play a high risk shot when a very low risk style is more than sufficient. And there are many people who enjoy that instead of piling up UE's and winners in 3 shot rallies.

You post what you think and see... but all of it is focused in an effort to discredit Wozniacki. We usually call these people trolls but in Caro's case I guess it's "normal" to enter every thread and talk about how terrible she is.

doomsday
Mar 27th, 2011, 01:51 PM
If Caro hasn't won a major by now, it's obviously because sth is wrong with her game, serve. I don't know how you can blame us for hating on her game she isn't taking initiative in any of her matches and just waiting for players to collapse, sorry but that's not gonna happen in majors. You will see by yourselves that she will be majorless at the end of the year.

Apoleb
Mar 27th, 2011, 01:51 PM
I'm laughing at how pretentious some of you are and how ridiculous the Caro commenting is getting.

Whether the conversation was relevant or not to this thread is unimportant.

For years now, several posters (including yourself) have been in Caro threads stating the same things over and over again.
Seriously, you guys deserve your own sub-forum where you can talk about how unappealing she is and how terrible the tour is and continue your circle jerk in private.

It gets really really really old.

And I love Davenport, but there is no question that she is opinionated. I take her word as another opinion while some here are desperate to see it as an affirmation of how right they are.

Laugh as much as you want. No body cares.

If you think it's unimportant whether the discussion is relevant to this thread or not, then you have no right to bitch and whine. Since it is relevant, then we have every right to say our opinion. Should we refrain from discussing Lindsay's opinion just because you disagree with us? :weirdo:

Boreas
Mar 27th, 2011, 02:01 PM
Why do people fight with Pieter(enka)? He's 15 and his trolling is excusable at such a young age and with not much wisdom between the ears.

Other than that - I don't understand why do my fellow Wozniacki fans try so hard to change other people's mind? Just let everyone believe whatever they want.:shrug:

Break My Rapture
Mar 27th, 2011, 02:02 PM
Posts like this show a basic misunderstanding of tennis that has been brought about by "big babe tennis"

Only a fool would play a high risk shot when a very low risk style is more than sufficient. And there are many people who enjoy that instead of piling up UE's and winners in 3 shot rallies.

You post what you think and see... but all of it is focused in an effort to discredit Wozniacki. We usually call these people trolls but in Caro's case I guess it's "normal" to enter every thread and talk about how terrible she is.
There is no misunderstanding at all.
Of course it's smarter to play a low risk shot in tight situations/rallies instead of a high risk one, that doesn't mean you have to do it an entire match though. Wozniacki oftenly reaches the border of playing TOO safe, I sometimes start to wonder if she simply either doesn't have the confidence or if she just knows that her offensive game isn't half as good as her defensive game.

Wozniacki fans always think every post that contains the slightest bit of negativity towards Woz is to discredit her, or to rob her of her well-deserved credit or whatever.

Matt01
Mar 27th, 2011, 02:05 PM
Ugh. Then don't fucking whine when people critisize her game.


I'm fine with people criticizing her game. I do the same.
I just don't like trolls like you.

RenaSlam.
Mar 27th, 2011, 02:07 PM
If Caro doesnt win the FO, doesnt win Wimbledon, doesnt win, the USO, doesnt win the 2012 AO..
then she will be 21 and still have years ahead of her.
So to me, its important that she keeps improving, keeps handling different opponents, different situations.
Because majors are just tournaments.
I've seen Fran and Sveta and Ivanovic win them. Caro beats those players.

That's what about people said about Seles, Serena, Maria. Unfortunately, injuries happen. Don't bet that Wozniacki won't fall victim to some unfortunate/unforeseen circumstance.

Break My Rapture
Mar 27th, 2011, 02:08 PM
I'm fine with people criticizing her game. I do the same.
I just don't like trolls like you.
LOL where do you draw the line between criticizing her game or being a troll then.

goldenlox
Mar 27th, 2011, 02:08 PM
I heard at the 2010 FO, that Martina N said Caro should be more aggressive.
All Caro did since then is take #1 for at least 6 months and earn about $5 million in prizemoney, winning a bunch of Tier I's.
This is her style, even if commentators want to change her.
Her style will make Caro a fortune and a long time #1.
When it comes to winning majors, she still has to do it, but she wont overhaul her style because a former player wants to change her game around.

Boreas
Mar 27th, 2011, 02:20 PM
LOL where do you draw the line between criticizing her game or being a troll then.

Criticizing her game once as in making a statement - a critic

"Criticizing" her game whenever her result thread pops out in GM - trolling

You're welcome:D

debby
Mar 27th, 2011, 02:24 PM
Karolina can be very aggressive... for instance, against Serena in 2009... and you know, it happens she hits more than 20 winners or something... she feels that her defensive game is the safest.... why would she change it ? Sure, we can whine about it, we can complain it.

But why do you keep attacking Caroline as a person? It is so ridiculous. She has done nothing to you, and you all are here to post in every result thread about Wozniacki to talk about her all over and over...

Okay, we get it. It is not wrong at all to talk about her game, but it is very tiring to read the same and same threads and posts from the same posters, and I am not even a Caro fan.

Caro won. End of the story.

I loathe Serena, Sharapova and Ivanovic (as I like JJ a lot :lol:: ), but I don't spam their threads, only a few. Actually most of my GM posts were about Justine.... weird, she was my favourite player.

Get it together.

Linguae^
Mar 27th, 2011, 02:28 PM
Chookeerrr ^_^

terjw
Mar 27th, 2011, 02:31 PM
WD Caro - keep winning girl.

Caro's current strategy seems to be safe serving. She often got in trouble on her 2nd serve so she has taken some pace off her 1st serve to land a high percentage of them; in this match 79% which is pretty standard these days. Of course that means she doesn't win many easy points on serve but she wins so many points from neutral thanks to her consistent game she thinks it's worth it to avoid playing many 2nd serve points; against Dani she only had to play 16 the whole match.

This safe serving is definitely a strategy she's adopted and something that clearly she and her team must have decided on because she's been doing this for some time now this year. I must say I don't like it - or rather I'd like to see her mix it up more and go for big serves a lot more. But perhaps I'm wrong and her team are right and safe serves give her the beast chance of winning.

I don't like Lindz and it sounds like she doesn't like Caro. But I can see her astonishment at Caro just spinning a 1st serve in slow on something like a MP.

Vikapower
Mar 27th, 2011, 02:40 PM
I'm fine with people criticizing her game. I do the same.
I just don't like trolls like you.

ROFL !! This the type of name calling that puts on a margin the Caro Woz fans... criticizing her game doesn't make you a troll...

HowardH
Mar 27th, 2011, 02:41 PM
I will definitely not criticize Caro as a person. That's low. Just her game.

Caro is probably about as dominant as you can be as a no. 1 and still not be considered a favourite for a slam title. She has been all over most of the tour recently by being solid as a rock, fit, and by keeping the rally going. Because of her style though, in order to actually win slams she needs to do more than dominate most of the tour. She needs to find a higher level during the slams- which she doesn't have.

When players such as Dani start playing a bit better (or Bartoli in the second set of their final) you can see that Caro has a lot of trouble when the opponent gets hot. She can't lift her game and the match is not in her own hands. Unlike the WS, or the Belgian duo. Or Masha back when she could play. Caro is already playing at or near her highest level all the time- hence her solid results- so she cannot raise her game to match hot players. She cannot take full control of a match, but that's okay most of the time because most of the tour helps her out. But she is at the mercy of a player who can hit winners and play well (almost no one right now then).

For her to win a slam she needs a number of things to happen. Firstly, everyone who is capable of a truly high level of play- above Caro's best- needs to be injured or to play very poorly. She actually is very close to this situation right now- Kim has shoulder worries, Serena, Venus out, Justine retired. Sharapova is a shadow of herself, Sveta is hopeless at the moment. She also needs to hope dangerous floaters like Petra or Li Na (who can't remember how to hit the ball in court right now) don't get hot and run into her.

The tour is a mess at the moment. Sharapova has been playing bad tennis, bar a few results, and yet she's going to re-enter the top ten. Hardly anyone is playing decent tennis. We have top 5 players like Sam slumping, and the 4 biggest names are missing in action or retired. Hence, miss-solid-as-a-rock Caro shines.

She's like a marathon runner who turns up every week and runs a decent time- not a record time. She can't run any faster, but she always finishes.

There is definitely a chance Caro picks up a slam, with the tour in the state it is in. If this happens it will lend some legitimacy to her reign (undermined however by the injury issues of the tour's elite), which is seen by many people as a sham. However, there has probably never been a player this dominant through most of the year (and she is dominant) who has not been considered a real slam favourite. Even if she picks up a slam though, which will somewhat end claims of her style being ineffective at slam level, people are entitled to criticize her play style as unappealing. I don't enjoy watching her in the least.

I also think that people are overestimating how long Caro will be on top for. With the exception of the greats, few people are no. 1 for more than a year or two. This is her best chance for a slam, right now, while people are struggling with her, while the current great players are injured or out. If it passes, her chance may well not come again. I really do think people will eventually learn how to play her. I don't think she'll be no. 1 in 4 or 5 years. People ask, who will take over? It's hard to tell, but I really don't think she'll stay no. 1 for a prolonged period of time. Something will change, the way people play her will change. Top 10 for several years, yes.

The solidity of Caro can also be seen as a necessary stepping stone for the WTA to reach the next level. The next level will be reached by overcoming the consistency of a player like Caro. Most of the WTA tour, quite frankly, never got past the "hit and miss" stage- Caro's presence could force the women's game to evolve further to handle extremely consistent ralliers.

bandabou
Mar 27th, 2011, 02:44 PM
Carotards talking about Lindsay Davenport, now?! :lol: OMG! Now the no.1 rank really got to their heads. Caro is a nice player, taking advantage of the weakest era ever in tennis. But please, don't make her up to be some kind of legend. Prime-time Linds FEASTED on players like Caro..short ball to Linds? Boom winner into the corner.

Reptilia
Mar 27th, 2011, 02:46 PM
:haha: This thread thread has just about every troll on this forum in it. :hearts:

C. Drone
Mar 27th, 2011, 02:52 PM
Danka :sad: :hug:

pls, less pushing, Caro :o

BuTtErFrEnA
Mar 27th, 2011, 02:52 PM
Carotards talking about Lindsay Davenport, now?! :lol: OMG! Now the no.1 rank really got to their heads. Caro is a nice player, taking advantage of the weakest era ever in tennis. But please, don't make her up to be some kind of legend. Prime-time Linds FEASTED on players like Caro..short ball to Linds? Boom winner into the corner.

carotards didn't bring up lindsay...read first, criticise later....

most other players on tour don't give anything different to talk about: "omg another choke", "omg what a shitfest", "omg she can hit hard"...how is that any different? hardly anyone on tour plays anything other than standing on the baseline with varying degrees of success and most with hardly any variety...how is that "better"?

keep it going caro :cheer:

doomsday
Mar 27th, 2011, 02:53 PM
ROFL !! This the type of name calling that puts on a margin the Caro Woz fans... criticizing her game doesn't make you a troll...

:lol: so true. Caro hasn't won a Slam so there is reasons to criticize her game while Matt love to criticize Maria, the girl has nothing to prove anymore and she is just 23.

terjw
Mar 27th, 2011, 02:53 PM
Why do people fight with Pieter(enka)? He's 15 and his trolling is excusable at such a young age and with not much wisdom between the ears.

Other than that - I don't understand why do my fellow Wozniacki fans try so hard to change other people's mind? Just let everyone believe whatever they want.:shrug:

There are three reasons I might respond and it's not to change Pieter's mind:

If it's exposing a lie. Or if it's a claim that Caro will never ... and then she does.
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Simply stating the other side of the story. Such as when there is a "valid" criticism such as by Lindz or if the other player could have and should have won - why is it it happens so often against Caro that they don't win. Could it be she does have something to do with it and it's not all down to luck. If we don't state the other side of an argument - only one side of the story is stated.
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Lastly - in a results thread - to celebrate her win and winning streaks etc.The strange thing is why do posters who get upset at posts from Carofans spend so much time in her results threads and posts about her. Or who find her matches so boring waste so much of their time being bored by watching her matches which she usually wins. No-one makes them.

Sammo
Mar 27th, 2011, 02:54 PM
Well at least she had her chances in the 2nd :shrug:

Matt01
Mar 27th, 2011, 02:56 PM
ROFL !! This the type of name calling that puts on a margin the Caro Woz fans... criticizing her game doesn't make you a troll...


Yeah, that's my point :lol:

backhandsmash
Mar 27th, 2011, 03:19 PM
I will definitely not criticize Caro as a person. That's low. Just her game.

Caro is probably about as dominant as you can be as a no. 1 and still not be considered a favourite for a slam title. She has been all over most of the tour recently by being solid as a rock, fit, and by keeping the rally going. Because of her style though, in order to actually win slams she needs to do more than dominate ...

Good post this. I don't agree with everything said, but I can definitely see some of your points.

THIS is how to be critical of the Woz. Not letting hate/extreme dislike shine through, and ruin their posts.

:yeah:

bandabou
Mar 27th, 2011, 03:23 PM
carotards didn't bring up lindsay...read first, criticise later....

most other players on tour don't give anything different to talk about: "omg another choke", "omg what a shitfest", "omg she can hit hard"...how is that any different? hardly anyone on tour plays anything other than standing on the baseline with varying degrees of success and most with hardly any variety...how is that "better"?

keep it going caro :cheer:

A bandwagonner, I see..has Serena really been gone this long for some of us to already jump ship?!:awww::bigcry:

You said it..and that's what Caro's feesting upon right now.

CloudAtlas
Mar 27th, 2011, 03:29 PM
Why do people fight with Pieter(enka)? He's 15 and his trolling is excusable at such a young age and with not much wisdom between the ears.

Other than that - I don't understand why do my fellow Wozniacki fans try so hard to change other people's mind? Just let everyone believe whatever they want.:shrug:



So true. I tend to defend Wozniacki if I see something that is quite obviously ridiculous but even then I cannot keep going over and over the same arguments and the same moot points with the same people. It's just impossible to do!

Vikapower
Mar 27th, 2011, 03:33 PM
:lol: so true. Caro hasn't won a Slam so there is reasons to criticize her game while Matt love to criticize Maria, the girl has nothing to prove anymore and she is just 23.

ROFL !! Pin point... arguably though I've always considered Matt or any other Maria hater as a legitimate poster to state an opinion on a public message board... even if sometimes some very disproportionate things can be said on her...

Weirdly now Caro Woz who hasn't accomplished yet extradonnary things and her fans are very overprotective towards her persistently tucking her as one of the greatest talents... of the decade... these are the types ridiculous statements normal minded people can't accept after especially having appreciated great talents as Lindsey, Vee, Maria, Martina and many others.

Yeah, that's my point :lol:

You're clearly trying to confuse !? ROFL !! I don't get your point...

HRHoliviasmith
Mar 27th, 2011, 03:38 PM
I'm fine with people criticizing her game. I do the same.
I just don't like trolls like you.

the irony. :happy: This really cracked me up. :hysteric:

A bandwagonner, I see..has Serena really been gone this long for some of us to already jump ship?!:awww::bigcry:

You said it..and that's what Caro's feesting upon right now.

So one can't be a Serena fan and support another player at the same time now? :unsure: Wow.

Craig.
Mar 27th, 2011, 03:41 PM
the irony. :happy: This really cracked me up. :hysteric:

IKR :hysteric:

bandabou
Mar 27th, 2011, 03:45 PM
So one can't be a Serena fan and support another player at the same time now? :unsure: Wow.

Sure..but they have to prove of being worthy first. ;)

Vikapower
Mar 27th, 2011, 03:51 PM
So one can't be a Serena fan and support another player at the same time now? :unsure: Wow.

Even me... I know from what I see here and there on GM that real Rena fans have (legitimately) no other favourite outside of the american...

Only you and Butter are transgressing that rule... :umbrella:

HRHoliviasmith
Mar 27th, 2011, 03:59 PM
Even me... I know from what I see here and there on GM that real Rena fans have (legitimately) no other favourite outside of the american...

Only you and Butter are transgressing that rule... :umbrella:

Good morning, luv. :wavey:

volta
Mar 27th, 2011, 04:14 PM
Even me... I know from what I see here and there on GM that real Rena fans have (legitimately) no other favourite outside of the american...

Only you and Butter are transgressing that rule... :umbrella:

Who knew Stevie Wonder was a member of this board.

Live and learn i'm telling you , live and learn ...

Belmont Lad
Mar 27th, 2011, 04:21 PM
That second set was a microcosm of Dani's career. :banghead::banghead: So many opportunities to take the set wasted with idiotic shot selection and silly errors, absolute choke fest. So much talent wasted.... :sad::cuckoo::crazy:

Vikapower
Mar 27th, 2011, 04:24 PM
Good morning, luv. :wavey:

Good afternoon... my sweet divorced other half... Vika needs our full support tonight... :angel:

goldenlox
Mar 27th, 2011, 04:36 PM
I havent been reading this thread. I dont know why there is an argument after this match.
Caro is now 3-0 against Dani & was a huge betting favorite. Dani gave Venus a good match last year. she can still play pretty good in spurts.
But for Caro, its just another win, now about 28 in a row in Tier I's.

BuTtErFrEnA
Mar 27th, 2011, 05:02 PM
A bandwagonner, I see..has Serena really been gone this long for some of us to already jump ship?!:awww::bigcry:

You said it..and that's what Caro's feesting upon right now.

i'm not a bandwaggoner...I've loved Caro for a while now...

what exactly is caro feasting on?

bandabou
Mar 27th, 2011, 05:19 PM
i'm not a bandwaggoner...I've loved Caro for a while now...

what exactly is caro feasting on?

The brainless play of generation next. Players who do have the requisite game, but just never heard of the thing called strategy.

BuTtErFrEnA
Mar 27th, 2011, 05:27 PM
so exactly HOW is the fact that they are stupid caro's problem?? the fact that she has a brain is a compliment so caro should say thanks :)

Setsuna.
Mar 27th, 2011, 05:40 PM
I will definitely not criticize Caro as a person. That's low. Just her game.

Caro is probably about as dominant as you can be as a no. 1 and still not be considered a favourite for a slam title. She has been all over most of the tour recently by being solid as a rock, fit, and by keeping the rally going. Because of her style though, in order to actually win slams she needs to do more than dominate most of the tour. She needs to find a higher level during the slams- which she doesn't have.

When players such as Dani start playing a bit better (or Bartoli in the second set of their final) you can see that Caro has a lot of trouble when the opponent gets hot. She can't lift her game and the match is not in her own hands. Unlike the WS, or the Belgian duo. Or Masha back when she could play. Caro is already playing at or near her highest level all the time- hence her solid results- so she cannot raise her game to match hot players. She cannot take full control of a match, but that's okay most of the time because most of the tour helps her out. But she is at the mercy of a player who can hit winners and play well (almost no one right now then).

For her to win a slam she needs a number of things to happen. Firstly, everyone who is capable of a truly high level of play- above Caro's best- needs to be injured or to play very poorly. She actually is very close to this situation right now- Kim has shoulder worries, Serena, Venus out, Justine retired. Sharapova is a shadow of herself, Sveta is hopeless at the moment. She also needs to hope dangerous floaters like Petra or Li Na (who can't remember how to hit the ball in court right now) don't get hot and run into her.

The tour is a mess at the moment. Sharapova has been playing bad tennis, bar a few results, and yet she's going to re-enter the top ten. Hardly anyone is playing decent tennis. We have top 5 players like Sam slumping, and the 4 biggest names are missing in action or retired. Hence, miss-solid-as-a-rock Caro shines.

She's like a marathon runner who turns up every week and runs a decent time- not a record time. She can't run any faster, but she always finishes.

There is definitely a chance Caro picks up a slam, with the tour in the state it is in. If this happens it will lend some legitimacy to her reign (undermined however by the injury issues of the tour's elite), which is seen by many people as a sham. However, there has probably never been a player this dominant through most of the year (and she is dominant) who has not been considered a real slam favourite. Even if she picks up a slam though, which will somewhat end claims of her style being ineffective at slam level, people are entitled to criticize her play style as unappealing. I don't enjoy watching her in the least.

I also think that people are overestimating how long Caro will be on top for. With the exception of the greats, few people are no. 1 for more than a year or two. This is her best chance for a slam, right now, while people are struggling with her, while the current great players are injured or out. If it passes, her chance may well not come again. I really do think people will eventually learn how to play her. I don't think she'll be no. 1 in 4 or 5 years. People ask, who will take over? It's hard to tell, but I really don't think she'll stay no. 1 for a prolonged period of time. Something will change, the way people play her will change. Top 10 for several years, yes.

The solidity of Caro can also be seen as a necessary stepping stone for the WTA to reach the next level. The next level will be reached by overcoming the consistency of a player like Caro. Most of the WTA tour, quite frankly, never got past the "hit and miss" stage- Caro's presence could force the women's game to evolve further to handle extremely consistent ralliers.

This is such a good post, HowardH. Well said.

DownInAHole
Mar 27th, 2011, 05:45 PM
If Caro hasn't won a major by now, it's obviously because sth is wrong with her game, serve. I don't know how you can blame us for hating on her game she isn't taking initiative in any of her matches and just waiting for players to collapse, sorry but that's not gonna happen in majors. You will see by yourselves that she will be majorless at the end of the year.

I think that's a little silly. She's still fairly young and has a lot of time ahead of her to win a major. As another poster pointed out even if she's slamless at the end of 2011 she will only be 21 years old.

doomsday
Mar 27th, 2011, 05:55 PM
I think that's a little silly. She's still fairly young and has a lot of time ahead of her to win a major. As another poster pointed out even if she's slamless at the end of 2011 she will only be 21 years old.

To win a major I'm convinced she will have to add more weapons in her game, her defensive game will never be enough and her serve is way too weak.
She has time on her side but I don't see any improvement :shrug: she still hasn't reached a GS final since USO 2009.

Ryusuke Tenma
Mar 27th, 2011, 05:57 PM
Caro is completely dominating the tour atm.
It's amazing!

goldenlox
Mar 27th, 2011, 05:58 PM
It was less than a year ago people were saying she couldnt win a Tier I, or beat a former #1.
Now she's done both, and many times.
I dont think a major is some magical thing. Sveta won 2.
It just a matter going deep into your draws, and eventually you are the healthy player, better on the day.

DownInAHole
Mar 27th, 2011, 06:05 PM
To win a major I'm convinced she will have to add more weapons in her game, her defensive game will never be enough and her serve is way too weak.
She has time on her side but I don't see any improvement :shrug: she still hasn't reached a GS final since USO 2009.

I think she is improving, her results clearly show that. It's true that she hasn't made another slam final but even as a fan I can admit that there was a lot of luck involved in that run to the '09 US Open final. Clearly, she has improved and is a better player now than she was sixteen months ago.

As far as her serve goes I honestly do not know what is going on there. Since the Australian Open she has been serving softer than she was before. No doubt about it she is not one of the bigger servers on the tour but she is capable os serving harder/faster than she has been the last couple of months. For whatever reason she has made a conscious decision to serve weaker than she is capable of. Some of her fans are speculating that this is an attempt to get more first serves in. Presently it is working but she will definitely have to change her serve if she runs into some of the better returners.

Ryusuke Tenma
Mar 27th, 2011, 06:08 PM
Caro has plenty of time to win a slam, she's only 20.
I mean, even if she loses the next 4, she'll still only be 21...

Reptilia
Mar 27th, 2011, 06:12 PM
Caro has plenty of time to win a slam, she's only 20.
I mean, even if she loses the next 4, she'll still only be 21...

:eek:The Word Life ?:bowdown:

Apoleb
Mar 27th, 2011, 06:12 PM
I will definitely not criticize Caro as a person. That's low. Just her game.

Caro is probably about as dominant as you can be as a no. 1 and still not be considered a favourite for a slam title. She has been all over most of the tour recently by being solid as a rock, fit, and by keeping the rally going. Because of her style though, in order to actually win slams she needs to do more than dominate most of the tour. She needs to find a higher level during the slams- which she doesn't have.

When players such as Dani start playing a bit better (or Bartoli in the second set of their final) you can see that Caro has a lot of trouble when the opponent gets hot. She can't lift her game and the match is not in her own hands. Unlike the WS, or the Belgian duo. Or Masha back when she could play. Caro is already playing at or near her highest level all the time- hence her solid results- so she cannot raise her game to match hot players. She cannot take full control of a match, but that's okay most of the time because most of the tour helps her out. But she is at the mercy of a player who can hit winners and play well (almost no one right now then).

For her to win a slam she needs a number of things to happen. Firstly, everyone who is capable of a truly high level of play- above Caro's best- needs to be injured or to play very poorly. She actually is very close to this situation right now- Kim has shoulder worries, Serena, Venus out, Justine retired. Sharapova is a shadow of herself, Sveta is hopeless at the moment. She also needs to hope dangerous floaters like Petra or Li Na (who can't remember how to hit the ball in court right now) don't get hot and run into her.

The tour is a mess at the moment. Sharapova has been playing bad tennis, bar a few results, and yet she's going to re-enter the top ten. Hardly anyone is playing decent tennis. We have top 5 players like Sam slumping, and the 4 biggest names are missing in action or retired. Hence, miss-solid-as-a-rock Caro shines.

She's like a marathon runner who turns up every week and runs a decent time- not a record time. She can't run any faster, but she always finishes.

There is definitely a chance Caro picks up a slam, with the tour in the state it is in. If this happens it will lend some legitimacy to her reign (undermined however by the injury issues of the tour's elite), which is seen by many people as a sham. However, there has probably never been a player this dominant through most of the year (and she is dominant) who has not been considered a real slam favourite. Even if she picks up a slam though, which will somewhat end claims of her style being ineffective at slam level, people are entitled to criticize her play style as unappealing. I don't enjoy watching her in the least.

I also think that people are overestimating how long Caro will be on top for. With the exception of the greats, few people are no. 1 for more than a year or two. This is her best chance for a slam, right now, while people are struggling with her, while the current great players are injured or out. If it passes, her chance may well not come again. I really do think people will eventually learn how to play her. I don't think she'll be no. 1 in 4 or 5 years. People ask, who will take over? It's hard to tell, but I really don't think she'll stay no. 1 for a prolonged period of time. Something will change, the way people play her will change. Top 10 for several years, yes.

The solidity of Caro can also be seen as a necessary stepping stone for the WTA to reach the next level. The next level will be reached by overcoming the consistency of a player like Caro. Most of the WTA tour, quite frankly, never got past the "hit and miss" stage- Caro's presence could force the women's game to evolve further to handle extremely consistent ralliers.

This is a wonderful post that sums everything about the Wozniacki situations that most of us "haters" are trying to say. Well done.

Ryusuke Tenma
Mar 27th, 2011, 06:15 PM
:eek:The Word Life ?:bowdown:
I'm sorry?
You recognize me from MTF, don't you?

goldenlox
Mar 27th, 2011, 06:15 PM
Caro has plenty of time to win a slam, she's only 20.
I mean, even if she loses the next 4, she'll still only be 21...I look at the WTA and the 2011-2020 era that is just starting, and I would expect Caroline to be a major factor this upcoming decade

Ryusuke Tenma
Mar 27th, 2011, 06:17 PM
I look at the WTA and the 2011-2020 era that is just starting, and I would expect Caroline to be a major factor this upcoming decade
Yes, so do I.
Clijsters and the Williams sisters won't last for very long, and when they do retire, Caroline (if she doesn't have a slam by then...she will) will win many of the slams and dominate the tour even more than now.
A great decade of tennis has come.

doomsday
Mar 27th, 2011, 06:19 PM
I think she is improving, her results clearly show that. It's true that she hasn't made another slam final but even as a fan I can admit that there was a lot of luck involved in that run to the '09 US Open final. Clearly, she has improved and is a better player now than she was sixteen months ago.

As far as her serve goes I honestly do not know what is going on there. Since the Australian Open she has been serving softer than she was before. No doubt about it she is not one of the bigger servers on the tour but she is capable os serving harder/faster than she has been the last couple of months. For whatever reason she has made a conscious decision to serve weaker than she is capable of. Some of her fans are speculating that this is an attempt to get more first serves in. Presently it is working but she will definitely have to change her serve if she runs into some of the better returners.

Yep she get more first serves IN but she still doesn't hit that hard on her first serves. I remember the last three points vs Azarenka in IW she hit 3 first serves but Azarenka won all points and had 3 breaks points immediately. She is making absolutely sure to hit her first serves in but points depend on the ROS I don't know how she wins all points behind her serve I admit that she defend pretty well but still she is on defense after almost every single serve she hit, I came to a reason that it's just the way she wants things to be. She refuses to be offensive.:eek:

DownInAHole
Mar 27th, 2011, 06:30 PM
Yep she get more first serves IN but she still doesn't hit that hard on her first serves. I remember the last three points vs Azarenka in IW she hit 3 first serves but Azarenka won all points and had 3 breaks points immediately. She is making absolutely sure to hit her first serves in but points depend on the ROS I don't know how she wins all points behind her serve I admit that she defend pretty well but still she is on defense after almost every single serve she hit, I came to a reason that it's just the way she wants things to be. She refuses to be offensive.:eek:

Lately she does have a bad habit of being broken on her first service game of the match but she typically breaks right back and settles in to serve better (though she is still sometimes vulnerable). Obviously being broken to start the match is not ideal and I hope she will work on that. Against Pennetta in Doha she quickly got down 0-2 but went on to win the next 12 games. It was a similar story against Sharapove at Indian Wells where they traded breaks to start the match but then Caroline started holding her serve (Maria did help her out a lot with too many double faults and unforced errors) and in the final against Bartoli I believe she lost her first service game but ended up winning the first set 6-1.

tea
Mar 27th, 2011, 06:30 PM
Knowing what Word Life's karma did to Murray I'm starting to really worry about Caroline.:sobbing::hysteric:

wildemu
Mar 27th, 2011, 06:36 PM
yea, cabbage has the touch of death on his favorites. I would start buying tissue boxes for Caro's decline now.

doomsday
Mar 27th, 2011, 06:37 PM
Lately she does have a bad habit of being broken on her first service game of the match but she typically breaks right back and settles in to serve better (though she is still sometimes vulnerable). Obviously being broken to start the match is not ideal and I hope she will work on that. Against Pennetta in Doha she quickly got down 0-2 but went on to win the next 12 games. It was a similar story against Sharapove at Indian Wells where they traded breaks to start the match but then Caroline started holding her serve (Maria did help her out a lot with too many double faults and unforced errors) and in the final against Bartoli I believe she lost her first service game but ended up winning the first set 6-1.

Still, I barely see a big first serve when she need one. She counts on her defense every single time and now that you talk about the match vs Maria, check the highlights and just watch how Caroline played when she had a break back point in the second game :lol::lol: like you said she was lucky Maria's head was in her ass.

Ferg
Mar 27th, 2011, 06:44 PM
wordy life

IM SO HAPPY

Ryusuke Tenma
Mar 27th, 2011, 06:46 PM
Still, I barely see a big first serve when she need one. She counts on her defense every single time and now that you talk about the match vs Maria, check the highlights and just watch how Caroline played when she had a break back point in the second game :lol::lol: like you said she was lucky Maria's head was in her ass.
Caroline doesn't need big serves to win points.
Her ground game can win her everything.
She could let her opponent serve in her service games and she'd still win comfotably.

Ferg
Mar 27th, 2011, 06:50 PM
Lotsa women around this board wordy so you gotta be careful with your perving and stabby tendencies!

GreenGrass
Mar 27th, 2011, 06:52 PM
Caroline doesn't need big serves to win points.
Her ground game can win her everything.
She could let her opponent serve in her service games and she'd still win comfotably.

:rolleyes: i see you joined just to troll :rolleyes:

DownInAHole
Mar 27th, 2011, 07:03 PM
Still, I barely see a big first serve when she need one. She counts on her defense every single time and now that you talk about the match vs Maria, check the highlights and just watch how Caroline played when she had a break back point in the second game :lol::lol: like you said she was lucky Maria's head was in her ass.

Oh, I agree. Look no further than the Australian Open semi final match. An ace on that match point would have been a beautiful thing. I guess the difference between us is that I think Caroline realises that this is a weakness that needs to be addressed.

Nicolás89
Mar 27th, 2011, 07:04 PM
This post is kind of a flop considering Lindsay was a brilliant volleyer with perfect volley technique and incredible hands and instincts at the net, and often moved forwards.

No, I meant that she had it so easy.

Ryusuke Tenma
Mar 27th, 2011, 07:05 PM
:rolleyes: i see you joined just to troll :rolleyes:
Of course not...

I'm just saying...Wozniacki doesn't need a great, big serve to win.
Her ground game is good enough to beat every player on tour.

debby
Mar 27th, 2011, 07:11 PM
Knowing what Word Life's karma did to Murray I'm starting to really worry about Caroline.:sobbing::hysteric:

Oh shut up :sobbing: Muzza will defo win a Slam :worship:

Don't forget I am a Juju fan ! and the biggest Juju troll here ! So it cancels Word Life's curse :lol:

wordy life

IM SO HAPPY

ME TOO :sobbing: It is going to be fun here again. (since that WEEK with that Henin thing, Serena CAME THERE ! and the Kadergate :sobbing: )

Word Life, you must know two things :

- Please, don't get banned too early.
- You can change your username only every three months.

bandabou
Mar 27th, 2011, 09:01 PM
so exactly HOW is the fact that they are stupid caro's problem?? the fact that she has a brain is a compliment so caro should say thanks :)

Her having a brain is great. Nothing wrong there. If she only could learn now how to play inspirational tennis..;)

C. W. Fields
Mar 27th, 2011, 09:02 PM
I have just downloaded and watched the Tennis Channel coverage of the match with Lindsay Davenport as commentator.
Dani was pretty bad in set 1. Caro didn't even have to play that well for Dani to make errors. Caro was broken once, Dani thrice.
Set 2 was very excting with good winners from both sides, usually Dani's FH and Caro's BH. There were 12 BPs in the set, 5 to Caro and 7 to Dani, but neither of them managed to break. The set could have gone either way but in the end Caro had the better nerves.

My two favorite moments are both from set 2:
At 3-3 (00-00) Caro is a few feet behind the baseline at the left side of the court when Dani hits an almost perfect drop shot that lands exactly on the right side line near the net and spins away from Caro, but somehow she still manages to get to it just before the second bounce and lifts it softly down the line into the corner. Davenport called it "insane athleticism" and she's not wrong. I'm the first to admit Caro isn't the most graceful mover ever seen on a tennis court but somehow she's still able to cover half a court length in no time. :worship:
The second point is with Caro serving at 4-5 40-00. Davenport had been loudly criticizing Caro's slow serve several times during the match and reached a high point here with her suggesting Caro should go back to the practice court and work on her toss. No sooner had she said that before Caro held to love by serving her only ace of the match which left LD dumb for a number of seconds! :oh:

Corswandt
Mar 27th, 2011, 09:52 PM
:eek:The Word Life ?:bowdown:

Figures that such a legendary troll would join this board as a Carotard. I mean, it's de rigueur for the resident trollery.

Josh.
Mar 28th, 2011, 05:41 AM
I will definitely not criticize Caro as a person. That's low. Just her game.

Caro is probably about as dominant as you can be as a no. 1 and still not be considered a favourite for a slam title. She has been all over most of the tour recently by being solid as a rock, fit, and by keeping the rally going. Because of her style though, in order to actually win slams she needs to do more than dominate most of the tour. She needs to find a higher level during the slams- which she doesn't have.

When players such as Dani start playing a bit better (or Bartoli in the second set of their final) you can see that Caro has a lot of trouble when the opponent gets hot. She can't lift her game and the match is not in her own hands. Unlike the WS, or the Belgian duo. Or Masha back when she could play. Caro is already playing at or near her highest level all the time- hence her solid results- so she cannot raise her game to match hot players. She cannot take full control of a match, but that's okay most of the time because most of the tour helps her out. But she is at the mercy of a player who can hit winners and play well (almost no one right now then).

For her to win a slam she needs a number of things to happen. Firstly, everyone who is capable of a truly high level of play- above Caro's best- needs to be injured or to play very poorly. She actually is very close to this situation right now- Kim has shoulder worries, Serena, Venus out, Justine retired. Sharapova is a shadow of herself, Sveta is hopeless at the moment. She also needs to hope dangerous floaters like Petra or Li Na (who can't remember how to hit the ball in court right now) don't get hot and run into her.

The tour is a mess at the moment. Sharapova has been playing bad tennis, bar a few results, and yet she's going to re-enter the top ten. Hardly anyone is playing decent tennis. We have top 5 players like Sam slumping, and the 4 biggest names are missing in action or retired. Hence, miss-solid-as-a-rock Caro shines.

She's like a marathon runner who turns up every week and runs a decent time- not a record time. She can't run any faster, but she always finishes.

There is definitely a chance Caro picks up a slam, with the tour in the state it is in. If this happens it will lend some legitimacy to her reign (undermined however by the injury issues of the tour's elite), which is seen by many people as a sham. However, there has probably never been a player this dominant through most of the year (and she is dominant) who has not been considered a real slam favourite. Even if she picks up a slam though, which will somewhat end claims of her style being ineffective at slam level, people are entitled to criticize her play style as unappealing. I don't enjoy watching her in the least.

I also think that people are overestimating how long Caro will be on top for. With the exception of the greats, few people are no. 1 for more than a year or two. This is her best chance for a slam, right now, while people are struggling with her, while the current great players are injured or out. If it passes, her chance may well not come again. I really do think people will eventually learn how to play her. I don't think she'll be no. 1 in 4 or 5 years. People ask, who will take over? It's hard to tell, but I really don't think she'll stay no. 1 for a prolonged period of time. Something will change, the way people play her will change. Top 10 for several years, yes.

The solidity of Caro can also be seen as a necessary stepping stone for the WTA to reach the next level. The next level will be reached by overcoming the consistency of a player like Caro. Most of the WTA tour, quite frankly, never got past the "hit and miss" stage- Caro's presence could force the women's game to evolve further to handle extremely consistent ralliers.

The one shining hope in a thread full of crap. Thank-you Howard. :worship:

moby
Mar 28th, 2011, 05:54 AM
When players such as Dani start playing a bit better (or Bartoli in the second set of their final) you can see that Caro has a lot of trouble when the opponent gets hot. She can't lift her game and the match is not in her own hands. Unlike the WS, or the Belgian duo. Or Masha back when she could play. Caro is already playing at or near her highest level all the time- hence her solid results- so she cannot raise her game to match hot players. She cannot take full control of a match, but that's okay most of the time because most of the tour helps her out. But she is at the mercy of a player who can hit winners and play well (almost no one right now then).Another thing that helps Wallzniacki is her very Zen acceptance of this fact, which allows her to almost never panic even when being outhit. Lesser retreivers would unravel mentally but not The Wallz. And this explains her consistency not just within a match, but week to week. She can never be truly disappointed by a loss, because she knows that she's played (almost) as well as she could in each match.

Here is an excerpt of an interview from after the IW final.

Q. Did you expect her level to drop in the third set? Did you say, at the changeover, Okay, she played great in that second set, but she's not going to be able to keep that level up?
CAROLINE WOZNIACKI: Well, actually, I wasn't thinking too much about that. I was thinking more about just me not being too hard on myself, just to keep staying positive, because I felt like I was playing good tennis. I was like, If she keeps playing like this, well then it's just too good. But I'm not going to give her anything.

Anyway, I think she can still improve. I disagree that she's the finished product. Unlike the other young players of Gen Suck, she has actually shown steady, albeit subtle improvement over the years. This year she's been more consistent with the depth of her groundstokes, and showed some inclination of aggression now and then.

Her serve can become stronger. Her net skills now are virtually non-existant; surely she can only get better there. Once she gets those down, she'll have more options in point construction.

C. W. Fields
Mar 28th, 2011, 08:35 AM
My two favorite moments are both from set 2:
At 3-3 (00-00) Caro is a few feet behind the baseline at the left side of the court when Dani hits an almost perfect drop shot that lands exactly on the right side line near the net and spins away from Caro, but somehow she still manages to get to it just before the second bounce and lifts it softly down the line into the corner. Davenport called it "insane athleticism" and she's not wrong. I'm the first to admit Caro isn't the most graceful mover ever seen on a tennis court but somehow she's still able to cover half a court length in no time. :worship:


I'm not the only one who likes that point. It's now on Youtube. :)

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Beny
Mar 28th, 2011, 09:30 AM
I'm not the only one who likes that point. It's now on Youtube. :)

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:help::facepalm: Daniela

I wish i had never seen this point :tape: Wozniacki runs probably the longest distance possible on a tennis court, gets to the ball and hits it into the court while Daniela is 1 and a half metre away from the ball and didnt even tries to run :tape::tape::tape:

Edit: Okay I re-watched it, Daniela took two steps direction the ball. After having made two steps to the wrong direction :o

C. W. Fields
Mar 28th, 2011, 09:41 AM
:help::facepalm: Daniela

I wish i had never seen this point :tape: Wozniacki runs probably the longest distance possible on a tennis court, gets to the ball and hits it into the court while Daniela is 1 and a half metre away from the ball and didnt even tries to run :tape::tape::tape:

Edit: Okay I re-watched it, Daniela took two steps direction the ball. After having made two steps to the wrong direction :o

Sorry to have ruined your day.

No, to be honest I'm not sorry at all! ;)

bandabou
Mar 28th, 2011, 09:49 AM
Bad positioning by Hantuchova...it was obvious that the only way Caro could was dtl, so Dani should have closen that line a bit better.
Nice get by Caro, still!

DownInAHole
Mar 28th, 2011, 10:00 AM
I have just downloaded and watched the Tennis Channel coverage of the match with Lindsay Davenport as commentator.

The second point is with Caro serving at 4-5 40-00. Davenport had been loudly criticizing Caro's slow serve several times during the match and reached a high point here with her suggesting Caro should go back to the practice court and work on her toss. No sooner had she said that before Caro held to love by serving her only ace of the match which left LD dumb for a number of seconds! :oh:

I watched the match yesterday and I think some people in this thread are exaggerating what Lindsay was saying about Caroline. It's true that Lindsay was fairly critical about Caroline's serve but she also praised her backhand (saying it was tied with Kim's for the best current backhand) and she praised other parts of her game too.

Apoleb
Mar 28th, 2011, 10:07 AM
Anyway, I think she can still improve. I disagree that she's the finished product. Unlike the other young players of Gen Suck, she has actually shown steady, albeit subtle improvement over the years. This year she's been more consistent with the depth of her groundstokes, and showed some inclination of aggression now and then.

Her serve can become stronger. Her net skills now are virtually non-existant; surely she can only get better there. Once she gets those down, she'll have more options in point construction.

She might make small improvements but I highly doubt she'll ever be willing to be the active player point in point out. Her style of play is pretty much the finished product. She's content with her game the way it is structured, and her cynical outlook from the interview you just posted is already evidence enough. It takes a lot of will (a la Justine) for one to make drastic strategical/technical changes and clearly she's not looking for it. (carries too much risk for her game anyway).

The improvement I can see her making is that she becomes even more adept at what she's doing. She can be stronger physically still, and that will allow her to absorb the pace better and hit a heavier ball.

When it comes to point construction, the only thing useful in her repertoire is the backhand down the line. She can't hit with pace and neither with angles. She can't drop shot. Has no variety, and even if she can make elementary volleys, how will she get to the net?

goldenlox
Mar 28th, 2011, 11:53 AM
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When it comes to point construction, the only thing useful in her repertoire is the backhand down the line...?The down the line is often to end points, not just part of constructing a point.
Caroline has one of the best backhands in the sport.
I'm surprised her opponents dont hit a thousand balls to her forehand every match

Jorn
Mar 29th, 2011, 10:25 AM
They all try hit the fh, but some may goto the bh...

But this tb set shows she may lose focus in the matches...

bandabou
Mar 29th, 2011, 10:44 AM
Petkovic showed how easy it should be: forehand, forehand...

CloudAtlas
Mar 29th, 2011, 02:20 PM
Petkovic showed how easy it should be: forehand, forehand...



Caroline doesn't usually make 35+ errors off her forehand though. And even then I wouldn't call a 6-3 in the third win an 'easy' win.