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Papillon.
Mar 24th, 2011, 02:37 AM
Which matchups (between any players, past or present (preferably notable)) would you say vary immensely from surface to surface? More specifically, can you name any matchups where there is a notable or evident discrepancy between the two players on both clay and grass, with one being the favourite on one surface and the other being the favourite on the alternative?

Reasons / videos / head to head records would be great! :)

Jane Lane
Mar 24th, 2011, 02:49 AM
Dulko - Navratilova :haha::haha:
2004 FRENCH OPEN CLAY R128 G.Dulko 6-1 6-3
2004 WIMBLEDON GRASS R64 G.Dulko 3-6 6-3 6-3

Tennis_News
Mar 24th, 2011, 03:24 AM
Serena and Henin.
Henin usually had the edge on clay.
Serena always played Justine better on hard courts.

Andy.
Mar 24th, 2011, 06:57 AM
Safina v Sharapova clay v hardcourt

bandabou
Mar 24th, 2011, 07:02 AM
Serena vs Juju is the obvious one..

moby
Mar 24th, 2011, 07:32 AM
Stosur vs pretty much anyone.

QuietPlease
Mar 24th, 2011, 07:48 AM
Considering they're playing tomorrow, why not look at Safina-Zvonareva?

Safina-Zvonareva 6-5

Clay: Safina 4-1
HC: Zvonareva 4-1
Carpet: Safina 1-0

Zvonareva got to be the fave tomorrow then.

QuietPlease
Mar 24th, 2011, 07:59 AM
All time greatest rivalry?

Navratilova-Evert 43-37

Carpet: Navratilova 19-6
Grass: Navratilova 10-5
HC: Evert 16-11
Clay: Evert 10-3

Evert was the queen of clay, but Nav had her on the fast surfaces.

Renalicious
Mar 24th, 2011, 08:06 AM
Serena vs Schnyder. I'm pretty sure Serena has never beaten Patty on clay, or something to that extent. Their H2H is like 10-4 or something

QuietPlease
Mar 24th, 2011, 08:14 AM
Clijsters-Henin 13-12

Hard: Clijsters 9-4
Carpet: Clijsters 1-0
Grass: Henin 3-2
Clay: Henin 5-1

Ms hard court Vs Ms clay?

nevetssllim
Mar 24th, 2011, 08:18 AM
Serena vs Schnyder. I'm pretty sure Serena has never beaten Patty on clay, or something to that extent. Their H2H is like 10-4 or something

Good call. :yeah:

Clay - Schnyder 3-0
Hard - S. Williams 6-0
Carpet - S. Williams 2-1 (Patty's win being a 6-0 3-0 ret)

QuietPlease
Mar 24th, 2011, 08:26 AM
Davenport-Venus 14-13

HC: tied 9-9
Grass: Venus 4-0
Carpet: Davenport 4-0
Clay: Davenport 1-0

Funny how Venus dominated on Grass and Lindsay dominated on Carpet, I mean both surfaces are pretty fast, right?

Interesting that they only meet once on clay in their long rivalry. Probably because neither liked clay that much, and couldn't hold their seedings.

Lindsay had much bigger problems against the younger Williams btw:

Serena-Davenport 10-4

HC: Serena 9-3
Clay: Serena 1-0
Carpet: Davenport 1-0

Still, Davenport never lost to a Williams on carpet (except for a W/O in 2001 not included above).

bandabou
Mar 24th, 2011, 08:59 AM
Serena and davenport never met on grass?! :eek: That'd be a great serving battle..funny to see how lopsided the h2h is, even on HC's!

homogenius
Mar 24th, 2011, 11:27 AM
Serena vs Schnyder. I'm pretty sure Serena has never beaten Patty on clay, or something to that extent. Their H2H is like 10-4 or something

Yes Serena is 8-4 vs Patty but Patty leads 3-0 on clay.

homogenius
Mar 24th, 2011, 11:34 AM
The JJ vs Venus H2H is also interesting : JJ leads 6-5 (9/11 were 3setters).
HC : Venus 4-1
Clay : Jelena 4-1
Grass : Jelena 1-0

rimon
Mar 24th, 2011, 11:39 AM
Davenport-Venus 14-13

HC: tied 9-9
Grass: Venus 4-0
Carpet: Davenport 4-0
Clay: Davenport 1-0

Funny how Venus dominated on Grass and Lindsay dominated on Carpet, I mean both surfaces are pretty fast, right?

Interesting that they only meet once on clay in their long rivalry. Probably because neither liked clay that much, and couldn't hold their seedings.

Lindsay had much bigger problems against the younger Williams btw:

Serena-Davenport 10-4

HC: Serena 9-3
Clay: Serena 1-0
Carpet: Davenport 1-0

Still, Davenport never lost to a Williams on carpet (except for a W/O in 2001 not included above).

Yeah, you'd think that it would be more evenly distributed between Lindsay and Venus. Why did Lindsay dominate on carpet, and Venus on grass?

Mr.Sharapova
Mar 24th, 2011, 12:35 PM
Jankovic vs Williams sisters Clay vs All other surfaces :)

homogenius
Mar 24th, 2011, 01:04 PM
Jankovic vs Williams sisters Clay vs All other surfaces :)

Not entirely true.She leads Serena 1-0 on clay and Serena leads 4-3 on hc.Overall, half of the matches she won against the sisetrs were on other surfaces than clay :

5-1 on clay
4-8 on hc
1-0 on grass

Mr.Sharapova
Mar 24th, 2011, 01:13 PM
:yeah:, but every time they meet on clay Jankovic always has the edge :). It showed in Rome last year :)

Uranium
Mar 24th, 2011, 03:33 PM
Davenport-Venus 14-13

HC: tied 9-9
Grass: Venus 4-0
Carpet: Davenport 4-0
Clay: Davenport 1-0

Funny how Venus dominated on Grass and Lindsay dominated on Carpet, I mean both surfaces are pretty fast, right?

Interesting that they only meet once on clay in their long rivalry. Probably because neither liked clay that much, and couldn't hold their seedings.

Lindsay had much bigger problems against the younger Williams btw:

Serena-Davenport 10-4

HC: Serena 9-3
Clay: Serena 1-0
Carpet: Davenport 1-0

Still, Davenport never lost to a Williams on carpet (except for a W/O in 2001 not included above).

The clay is because Lindsay only plays Strasbourg and Roland Garros on red clay for the most part. She whores up the green clay for her clay practice. Venus occasionally plays the green clay and never played Strasbourg. So the only red clay meetings could have happened at Roland Garros, which neither did all too great at.

As for carpet, Lindsay is amazing indoors and carpet, while Venus' record on carpet is rather mediocre because she rarely plays on it. So Lindsay just loved the speed of those quick carpet courts.

Shinjiro
Mar 24th, 2011, 04:20 PM
Yeah, you'd think that it would be more evenly distributed between Lindsay and Venus. Why did Lindsay dominate on carpet, and Venus on grass?Grass and carpet obviously have their differences, as do outdoors and indoors conditions. The latter really suit the better strikers of the ball.

starin
Mar 24th, 2011, 06:37 PM
Venus v. Pironkova

@ slams Pironkova leads 2-0
outside of slams venus leads 1-0.
:help:

The Witch-king
Mar 24th, 2011, 06:46 PM
Yeah, you'd think that it would be more evenly distributed between Lindsay and Venus. Why did Lindsay dominate on carpet, and Venus on grass?

Maybe because those grass matches were held at Wimbldon

Grass and carpet obviously have their differences, as do outdoors and indoors conditions. The latter really suit the better strikers of the ball.

:rolleyes:

The Witch-king
Mar 24th, 2011, 06:47 PM
Venus v. Pironkova

@ slams Pironkova leads 2-0
outside of slams venus leads 1-0.
:help:

Because slams and non-slams are different types of surface

tkutsaar
Mar 24th, 2011, 07:29 PM
All time greatest rivalry?

Navratilova-Evert 43-37

Carpet: Navratilova 19-6
Grass: Navratilova 10-5
HC: Evert 16-11
Clay: Evert 10-3

Evert was the queen of clay, but Nav had her on the fast surfaces.

Yup and it was even more telling when you examine their results in FO and Wimbledon. Both Chris and Martina won 18 slams in toto. Chris had 7 FO titles and 3 Wimbledons. Martina had 2 FO titles and 9 Wimbledons. The difference in surface results made it possible to consider both of them as the most dominating players of their time despite both playing virtually at the same time.

Shinjiro
Mar 24th, 2011, 09:04 PM
:rolleyes:
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