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cosmoose
Mar 21st, 2011, 08:06 PM
Direct MD entry for Sabine this week.

Her draw:

Petrova
bye
Lisicki
Czink

Barrois
Martic
bye
Sharapova

CillyUltra
Mar 21st, 2011, 09:40 PM
As I said she's needed a lucky draw ;) now she can enter top 200 and FO QD if she isn't entirely out of sorts.

Geekking
Mar 21st, 2011, 10:58 PM
She will defeat Czink easily. Petrova isn't an easy opponent so we'll see Sabine's real game in that match

Rovegun
Mar 22nd, 2011, 12:17 PM
Sabine should win R1 because she´s a much better player than Czink even though Sabine is far away from Top 100 but she´s coming back I true and of course Czink has dropped her form maybe due to injury I think so it should be an easy match... Petrova is tough but if Sabine makes her best she can win but at first a R1 win is needed....

CillyUltra
Mar 22nd, 2011, 02:20 PM
she plays nightsession on grandstand (instead of Makarova), an impact of her show? :devil:

cosmoose
Mar 22nd, 2011, 05:28 PM
Today is a big day in Sabine's career.
She has to win. No other option!

mk27
Mar 22nd, 2011, 11:41 PM
We are in the 3rd set and that's against Czink :o

Geekking
Mar 22nd, 2011, 11:46 PM
This is just a disaster! Can't believe Sabine :eek: Czink made 10 dfs and she can't serve, she is on her worst season (retired all of her tournaments etc.) and Czink almost had a chance to take 2nd set 6-2. She made lots of errors and now she took second set 7-5. In 1st set Czink had chance to break too but she couldn't use them. I don't care who wins now. Petrova will knock out either of them. So sad to see my favorite player this bad :rolleyes:

Geekking
Mar 22nd, 2011, 11:53 PM
She gave 4bps to Czink on her first game in 3rd set... She won't be luck this much against Petrova if she reaches to second round and also in Charleston!

CillyUltra
Mar 22nd, 2011, 11:59 PM
a Petrova match is meaningless, she has to win this match

mk27
Mar 23rd, 2011, 12:04 AM
Lisicki and 3rd set matches, this isn't a very successful story :tape:

CillyUltra
Mar 23rd, 2011, 12:07 AM
maybe injury break atm

Michael!
Mar 23rd, 2011, 12:24 AM
unable to break Czink :facepalm:
won´t get easier now at serve :rolleyes:

CillyUltra
Mar 23rd, 2011, 12:30 AM
:p

Michael!
Mar 23rd, 2011, 12:31 AM
*54, I will kill her if she doesn´t hold now :angel:

Sabine was able to hold pretty easy after that long break, maybe Czink with problems, but just a guess..

CillyUltra
Mar 23rd, 2011, 12:34 AM
:silly:

mk27
Mar 23rd, 2011, 12:35 AM
At least she won and should be safe now in the FO/Wimbledon/US Open qualifying.

Michael!
Mar 23rd, 2011, 12:38 AM
:silly:

:o bc of what I said or what?
As I said , only a guess, as there was obviously an injury break but also is possible of course that Sabine just served better :p :rolleyes:


At least a win for Sabine, good fight, was able to hold her serve in 3rd set, won over 60% of pts over first serve, but still many things to work on , of course, but that win was important, especially for her confidence and also bc of Roland Garros Qualifying, but we cant expect anything against Petrova now, her first serve isnt as good as it used to be still, had problems to hold serve too often and her return also wasn´t that great, but as I said, most important thing is that she won and against Petrova she has no pressure at all for a change, she usually plays better against such players :)

lovethetennis
Mar 23rd, 2011, 12:40 AM
Wow, that was hard to sit through :speakles: But, somehow Bine got the win :clap2:

CillyUltra
Mar 23rd, 2011, 01:17 AM
:o bc of what I said or what?

nope, bc of the match


2 1/2 sets bad service game for her standards,

but the good thing is that she battled through mentally, and that's probably more important atm

Mike81
Mar 23rd, 2011, 01:18 AM
I'm relieved that she won. I was doubting her after that 2nd set but it's good that she closed the match out this time. She can overcome problems one at a time. Today she served out a match in the 3rd set which she hasn't done for a while!

cosmoose
Mar 23rd, 2011, 02:52 AM
Rome wasn't built in a day and neither will Sabine's comeback.

baby steps! :)

Tuckii
Mar 23rd, 2011, 07:44 AM
Sabs :banana:

Geekking
Mar 23rd, 2011, 07:58 AM
I wrote this comment to Sabine's facebook status. This is my impression about her match performance.


"Congratulations for your first round win Sabine. To be honest, your match statistics and your game didn't impressed me much. I was expecting a win 2-0 and something like 6-2 6-3 for you.. Czink was so weak she made 13dfs and it basically means she gifted 3 games to you. More dramatic one is she had 11bp chances! 12/47 %26 1st return point statistic for a player like you is uneasy. The only good thing is you won a 3 set match and battled to the end. I'm telling these not to demoralize you just trying to embolden you and fix your mistakes for your next game! Please look over your mistakes today with your team and practice to confront them. I wish you best against Petrova. Good luck!"

burn
Mar 23rd, 2011, 10:25 AM
A win :banana: Finally
Anyway, weak performance...

Mike81
Mar 23rd, 2011, 12:23 PM
The important thing is that she won and this will help her in her attempt to enter the FO qualifiers. But It's hard to expect a win v Petrova based on a performance like today. Atleast the pressure and expectation is less against a high ranked opponent.

crazillo
Mar 23rd, 2011, 04:06 PM
The positives to take from this are that she actually served out the match.

cosmoose
Mar 23rd, 2011, 07:44 PM
The positives to take from this are that she actually served out the match.
^ THIS!

Dorien.
Mar 23rd, 2011, 08:01 PM
A win :)

Geekking
Mar 23rd, 2011, 10:46 PM
Sabine deleted my comment from her status. Did I say something bad/rude? :crying2:

Mike81
Mar 23rd, 2011, 11:04 PM
Sabine deleted my comment from her status. Did I say something bad/rude? :crying2:

Only guessing but maybe with Sabine trying to win more fans as part of this xperia hotshots project she doesn't want criticism, even if it's trying to be helpful, on her page. I think she is quite sensitive.

Geekking
Mar 23rd, 2011, 11:16 PM
Only guessing but maybe with Sabine trying to win more fans as part of this xperia hotshots project she doesn't want criticism, even if it's trying to be helpful, on her page.


Maybe you are right Mike.. Maybe that project is more important than one of biggest fan's comment.. If so, I wont write her anymore.. Anyway, big match tomorrow. I hope she wins

Mike81
Mar 23rd, 2011, 11:28 PM
Maybe you are right Mike.. Maybe that project is more important than one of biggest fan's comment.. If so, I wont write her anymore.. Anyway, big match tomorrow. I hope she wins

I think you should still write her. I'm sure she appreciates your comments and she obviously reads them. She just didn't like that particular comment because she's trying to present herself in the best possible way and it's her page so she has full control over it :shrug: Atleast this is my guess...

Yeah she has nothing to lose against Petrova, she can just go for her shots. Go Sabine! :cool:

cosmoose
Mar 24th, 2011, 01:02 AM
Sabine deleted my comment from her status. Did I say something bad/rude? :crying2:


I think its unfair to criticize Sabine only based on live scoring.
Live scoring can be deceiving.

Geekking
Mar 24th, 2011, 07:26 AM
I think its unfair to criticize Sabine only based on live scoring.
Live scoring can be deceiving.

It can be deceiving but didn't we see she lost lots of cheap points? Czink came from 0-40s... She is a sports person and she has to respect all the criticisms about her. Being a sports-person requires to be open to criticism. I wasn't rude, didn't say a bad word to her. Just said next time play better and avoid doing this mistakes. Sabine is not the only one who I write this kind of criticisms. None of them deleted my comment besides, sometimes they reply me.
Anyway, I hope she wins today.

Mike81
Mar 24th, 2011, 07:49 AM
It can be deceiving but didn't we see she lost lots of cheap points? Czink came from 0-40s... She is a sports person and she has to respect all the criticisms about her. I wasn't rude, didn't say a bad word. Just said next time play better and avoid doing this mistakes.

Sabine was feeling good about herself for finally getting that win and 'battling it out' as she said. I think she is quite sensitive to criticism and it looks like your post upset her when she was feeling good. She would probably prefer to hear these kinds of criticisms from her dad rather than fans. I didn't personally have a problem with your comments but since Sabine did and we are big fans, we should be understanding of her.

Tennis Observer
Mar 24th, 2011, 08:09 AM
I wrote this comment to Sabine's facebook status. [...]


[...] To be honest, your match statistics and your game didn't impressed me much. I was expecting a win 2-0 and something like 6-2 6-3 for you.. Czink was so weak she made 13dfs and it basically means she gifted 3 games to you. More dramatic one is she had 11bp chances! 12/47 %26 1st return point statistic for a player like you is uneasy. [...]"
I second cosmoose's reply and add my 2 cents:


Your comment about Melinda (made seven DF in opening set, which Sabine won 63 by one break), says much more about yourself than quality of Melinda's play.
Melinda had eight of her eleven BPs in set two. She converted two and won set 75.
You need to know quality of Meldinda's service, if you judge Sabines (WTA 217) returns.

Geekking
Mar 24th, 2011, 08:32 AM
I second cosmoose's reply and add my 2 cents:


Your comment about Melinda (made seven DF in opening set, which Sabine won 63 by one break), says much more about yourself than quality of Melinda's play.
Melinda had eight of her eleven BPs in set two. She converted two and won set 75.
You need to know quality of Meldinda's service, if you judge Sabines (WTA 217) returns.


Why don't you guys look Czink's previous matches?

Miami Round Result H A
22.03. Lisicki S. - Czink M. 1R 6-3, 5-7, 6-4
Clearwater ITF Round Result H A
08.03. Foretz Gacon S. - Czink M. 1R 5-5
07.03. Czink M. - Dabrowski G. Q-R16 6-4, 6-2
06.03. Czink M. - Giorgi C. Q-1R 6-1, 7-61
Hammond ITF Round Result H A
01.03. Savinykh V. - Czink M. 1R 6-1, 7-6
27.02. Czink M. - Cabeza-Candela E. Q-R16 6-4, 4-6, 6-2
26.02. Czink M. - Kichenok L. Q-1R 6-3, 6-3

Who did she play and how did she lost.. Do you think those rivals much more strong or talented than Sabine? Sabine is now world #218 but we all know her real game! What it was and what is should be.. I don't deny that she just came back from a long season break but an opponent like Czink who didn't play much in this season, only played ITF and retired from them can be easy beatable for Sabine! Compare them achievements, team behind them, age, victories etc.. You said Czink's serve quality? What quality are you talking about? Is he serving better than Sabine does? Don't make me laugh guys. Mike maybe you are right, maybe she don't want to hear those from her fans...


Btw;
Check their match stats in 2009 Bali and 2011 Miami


Sabine Lisicki Melinda Czink (Bali)
Sevice Statistics
Aces 15 3
Double Faults 7 3
1st Serve Percentage 54% (45/84) 66% (62/94)
1st Serve Points Won 78% (35/45) 56% (35/62)
2nd Serve Points Won 56% (22/39) 69% (22/32)
Break Points Saved 50% (2/4) 55% (6/11)
Service Games Played 15 15
Statistics on Return
1st Return Points Won 44% (27/62) 22% (10/45)
2nd Return Points Won 31% (10/32) 44% (17/39)
Break Points Won 45% (5/11) 50% (2/4)
Return Games Played 15 15
Statistics on Points
Total Service Points Won 68% (57/84) 61% (57/94)
Total Return Points Won 39% (37/94) 32% (27/84)
Total Points Won 53% (94/178) 47% (84/178)



Tournament Miami WTA
Round Round of 96
Winner Sabine Lisicki
Duration 157 minutes
Sabine Lisicki Melinda Czink
Sevice Statistics
Aces 5 0
Double Faults 7 13
1st Serve Percentage 48% (62/128) 48% (47/98)
1st Serve Points Won 60% (37/62) 74% (35/47)
2nd Serve Points Won 61% (40/66) 51% (26/51)
Break Points Saved 82% (9/11) 57% (4/7)
Service Games Played 16 15
Statistics on Return
1st Return Points Won 26% (12/47) 40% (25/62)
2nd Return Points Won 49% (25/51) 39% (26/66)
Break Points Won 43% (3/7) 18% (2/11)
Return Games Played 15 16
Statistics on Points
Total Service Points Won 60% (77/128) 62% (61/98)
Total Return Points Won 38% (37/98) 40% (51/128)
Total Points Won 50% (114/226) 50% (112/226)

Tennis Observer
Mar 24th, 2011, 10:30 AM
[...] Sabine is now world #218 but we all know her real game!
Maybe this is the reason for your disappointment: Sabine was neither able to transform her results from 2009 into first quarter 2010 nor after her comeback. Reflect her losses in 2011 and maybe its time to adjust your expectations:

R2 Auckland Yanina Wickmayer (# 23) 26 63 26
Q2 Melbourne Vesna Manasieva (# 146) 67(5) 46
QF Midland Lucie Hradecka (# 106) 16 62 67(3)
Q1 [WC]Indian Wells Sorana Cristea (# ) 64 67(2) 26

You said Czink's serve quality? What quality are you talking about? Is he serving better than Sabine does? Don't make me laugh guys.
As cosmoose I am not able to judge Melinda's service quality from steering at score boards and/or stats. Independently, Sabine's services are autonomous from her returns!

Geekking
Mar 24th, 2011, 11:56 AM
Maybe this is the reason for your disappointment: Sabine was neither able to transform her results from 2009 into first quarter 2010 nor after her comeback. Reflect her losses in 2011 and maybe its time to adjust your expectations:

R2 Auckland Yanina Wickmayer (# 23) 26 63 26
Q2 Melbourne Vesna Manasieva (# 146) 67(5) 46
QF Midland Lucie Hradecka (# 106) 16 62 67(3)
Q1 [WC]Indian Wells Sorana Cristea (# ) 64 67(2) 26


I know but Czink was so weak. I didn't expect good result or statistics while she was playing against Wickmayer nor Hradecka&Cirstea but Czink is not playing a good tennis therefore I wanted Sabine to defeat her easly. Today I'm not expecting an easy much too.

burn
Mar 24th, 2011, 01:47 PM
How about we wait until her 2nd round match is over, we will know about her playing mode then...

CillyUltra
Mar 24th, 2011, 04:27 PM
I know but Czink was so weak. I didn't expect good result or statistics while she was playing against Wickmayer nor Hradecka&Cirstea but Czink is not playing a good tennis therefore I wanted Sabine to defeat her easly. Today I'm not expecting an easy much too.

I think its unfair to criticize Sabine only based on live scoring.
Live scoring can be deceiving.

If you look at her service game stats, they were pretty bad, esp. in 2nd set with only 54% first serve points won. Normally she should have had Czink under control with her service, regardless of her return game.

Maybe you are right Mike.. Maybe that project is more important than one of biggest fan's comment.. If so, I wont write her anymore.. Anyway, big match tomorrow. I hope she wins

Dunno how much her management (or Sony) looks after her facebook page, even now when it is part of the "xperia"-campaign. Maybe it was too negative towards Czink. :shrug:

cosmoose
Mar 24th, 2011, 06:47 PM
It can be deceiving but didn't we see she lost lots of cheap points? Czink came from 0-40s... She is a sports person and she has to respect all the criticisms about her. Being a sports-person requires to be open to criticism. I wasn't rude, didn't say a bad word to her. Just said next time play better and avoid doing this mistakes. Sabine is not the only one who I write this kind of criticisms. None of them deleted my comment besides, sometimes they reply me.
Anyway, I hope she wins today.
Although you may think you know what happened, YOU DIDN'T SEE how she lost those points unless you were there.
Most likely you are right about what probably happened. But we can't be certain. So I hesistate to criticize a match based only on live scoring.

Geekking
Mar 24th, 2011, 10:06 PM
She won today against Petrova. Her stats were better than her last match. Good result against top 30. Good luck against Sharapova..

burn
Mar 25th, 2011, 10:46 AM
Just what I said, she won also her 2nd round match :hearts:
Awesome, Sabine, keep going :bounce:

Dorien.
Mar 25th, 2011, 06:29 PM
Well done Sabine :yeah:

cosmoose
Mar 25th, 2011, 10:51 PM
Tweet from Wilson rep.
I wonder what Sabine is doing that makes her the luckiest person today! :D

http://a3.twimg.com/profile_images/1193166516/Tracy_normal.jpg@TracySingian Tracy Almeda-Singian
@sabinelisicki you may be the luckiest person on this day, March 25th 2011! Officially jealous! :) Have a great time! I want details! Ha

Mike81
Mar 25th, 2011, 11:49 PM
Surely it's something that she will be doing for the xperia hotshots show? She will be getting the chance to make some of her dreams come true with the help of Sony Ericsson. I can't really guess though what it will be.

CillyUltra
Mar 26th, 2011, 03:30 PM
Hope the match really was a turning point in terms of her game and her confidence. After an ominous 1st set, with its bad 1st serve, she played a great 2nd set and put the pressure on Petrova to retire. The determination to turn around the match was obviously terrific. She shows emotions on the photo, that I've posted, I've rarely seen from her.

Now she can enjoy the evening clash with Sharapova, which is apparently the biggest stage for her since Wimby 2009.

rucolo
Mar 26th, 2011, 04:06 PM
Lucky Sabine into Miami R3. Very important points. Still sad for Nadia though. :sad::tears:

Hope there will be a stream for Sabine vs Sharapova! :hearts:

crazillo
Mar 26th, 2011, 07:29 PM
Lucky Sabine into Miami R3. Very important points. Still sad for Nadia though. :sad::tears:

Hope there will be a stream for Sabine vs Sharapova! :hearts:

I can't see a stream listed on livescorehunter.com.... :( Soooo hoping we will get to see Sabs in a couple minutes.

mk27
Mar 26th, 2011, 07:34 PM
No streams for WTA matches today

cosmoose
Mar 26th, 2011, 09:04 PM
No streams for WTA matches today
tennis channel in America is showing it live in HD right now.

but I have a feeling this match will set the all time WTA record for most double faults in a match! :lol:

Tennis Observer
Mar 26th, 2011, 10:07 PM
[...]I have a feeling this match will set the all time WTA record for most double faults in a match! :lol:

Don't underestimate Masha;), but have a quick look at these stats of her opponent:


1st Servive: 41%
Service points won: 14 (32% [1st: 6 points (33%); 2nd: 8 (31%)]


after watching her match against Sharapova, I'm starting to wonder if its lack of talent rather than lack of self-confidence.
Welcome in the boat!

IMO in 2009 Sabine was in media as overhyped as Melanie Odin (or as Alize Cornet in 2008). Sabine is still young and has plenty of time to fix her flaws and improve more to be a consistent player on the tour. If she is prepared to play on ITF level, I don’t know.

However, talent is one side of the coin and accomplishment is the other. There are so called talentless fighters, who achieve much more than these talents because they are working on her play and her fitness very hard.

cosmoose
Mar 26th, 2011, 11:12 PM
I'm reposting what I wrote on the scoring thread.

First serves were below 40% for majority of the match.
Total lack of pace in her grond strokes, all directed to the middle of the court.
Masha kept hitting inside out forehand to Sabine's backhand....so easy, a caveman could it.
Sabine looking slow as ever. Maria made her run side to side all day.
At the end of the match, Sabine was so tired she couldn't move. Reaching for balls, shanking returns.
Few times Bine went for her shots, she dumped it into the net. over and over.
It was the proverbial deer in the headlight look for Sabine. No backup plan. Did she even have a plan?
Scary part was that Sharapova was not that sharp herself.

It was shocking how bad she was. There was no fight from Sabine.

Mike81
Mar 26th, 2011, 11:19 PM
I'm reposting what I wrote on the scoring thread.



It was shocking how bad she was. There was no fight from Sabine.

:sad: :help:

Michael!
Mar 26th, 2011, 11:36 PM
really disappointing result from Sabine,didnt expect a win of course, but 26 06 is just horrible, main problems are still her bad movement ( I think she still is afraid of new ankle injury) and her bad serve and Sabine just needs her serve for her game, but to serve well you need to be confident, which is another problem of her, no mental strength at all....good thing is that she won two matches here, showed at least a good match (it seems) against Petrova and won 80pts...but yet she still only plays bigger tournaments which is pretty risky, I think she should play some smaller tournaments as well where she just gets a few more matches against weaker players..we´ll see how it goes on clay now but she definitely still needs to work on many things...today she probably was too tight, too nervous, already expected too much again after she won against Petrova but she is not ready yet, I hope for a good draw in Charleston..so far it is always like one step in the right direction and then again some disappointing results follow!

burn
Mar 27th, 2011, 07:48 AM
Awful, just awful :(

Sasja
Mar 27th, 2011, 07:52 AM
OMG that report :o
At first I wanted to watch this match and was annoyed there was no livestream. Now I'm glad there wasn't. It would have been too painful to watch I'm afraid. I did not expect Sabine to win this mach, but at least put up a good fight. Because if she did and with 2 wins here she would have left Miami with a good feeling, a bit more confident. But this match must have been so frustrating for her.

I do think she needs to play some smaller events. This way she hopefully she can play more matches, she can get some rhythm and confidence. Still a long road ahead of her I'm afraid :hug:

Michael!
Mar 27th, 2011, 09:13 AM
Hi guys, I lost in straight sets today. I started the match the way I wanted to but then started to make to many errors and my serve wasn't working. Against someone like her your game has to be on. The bad thing is I lost and I'm disappointed but the good part is that I had a great tournament, played some great tennis and definately learned a lot here! Its good to finally see the progress!

we´ll see about the progress in Charleston then! :scared:

Mike81
Mar 27th, 2011, 09:34 AM
Sabine won 2 matches this week, won 80 points and is set up for FO quals. I don't like to dwell on the negatives, the match is done let's move on! Most important thing is that my favourite person in tennis is a xperia hotshot and this means I'm going to see alot more of her in the coming months and I'm excited about that :)

Dorien.
Mar 27th, 2011, 11:16 AM
Not happy with what i'm reading in the report. :sad:
Sadly she had to end this good tournament in such a bad way.
We can at least be happy about the amount of points she earned this week.

Omega1
Mar 27th, 2011, 01:19 PM
Last time I had no time to pursue tennis.
And today I realized that my favorite tennis player playing in the third round in Miami.
It's great. :bounce:
I have read that only 40% was Sabine Serv.
I hope you come back soon very good serv.
Good luck in Charlston :)

hellas719
Mar 29th, 2011, 01:54 AM
Sabine :hug:
But it was great to see her on TV even if she wasn't at her best, and she really saved her ranking with this tournament :D