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Fantasy Hero
Mar 17th, 2011, 10:03 AM
:cheer: even though our situation isn't that good it's still a nice day for us all

Italy, Metternich said, was "only a geographical expression", but 150 years ago the greatest revolutionary the peninsula ever produced set about proving him wrong.

In the most dramatic episode in the long story of Italy's unification, Giuseppe Garibaldi, set sail from Genoa with two small steamers crammed with red-shirted comrades from northern Italy. They were known as the Mille, "the thousand", and they sailed south to conquer Sicily. In less than a month, and against all odds, they had seized Palermo. Soon Garibaldi was master of Sicily and had crossed over to the mainland to continue the rout.

This event has long been regarded as a crucial moment in the creation of the Italian nation, celebrated in romantic paintings and public monuments. The anniversary this week was the starting gun for a whole year of celebrations as Italy looks back on its short but tumultuous history as an independent nation. Organisers promise four major exhibitions and "an extraordinary programme of culture, sport and entertainment". The central exhibition, in Turin, examines Italy's independent history.

The only problem is that, despite the exhortations of the head of state, President Giorgio Napolitano, and lectures from on high by the establishment media, Italians appear conflicted about even marking the anniversary.

The Northern League's founder and leader, Umberto Bossi, called the celebrations "useless things." The party's newspaper demanded rhetorically, "The unity of Italy – what's there to celebrate?" and described the birth of the unitary state as "contrary to nature and history."

Another senior figure, Robert Cota, went so far as to describe Garibaldi as "a criminal who sowed death and destruction".

The League began life as a coven of extremists in the prosperous north, inveighing against "Big Thief Rome" and demanding secession from the supposedly blood-sucking south.

Silvio Berlusconi brought League members into his first government in 1994, and though they pulled the plug on that fragile administration, today they are his strongest coalition allies. They may have backtracked on their secession demands but they never tire of reminding people that the unity of the nation should not be taken for granted while they are around.

President Napolitano was on the defensive when he travelled to Genoa this week to honour the Thousand. "To celebrate the unity of Italy is not a waste of time or money," he declared. He urged Italians to show "a stronger sense of Italy and of being Italian".

And he defended Garibaldi, long regarded as the national hero but recently, as he put it, "incomprehensibly the object of gross denigration by new detractors".

"Let us incite ourselves," he said, "to have a bit more national pride."

The President's problem is that, a century and a half after the founders of the unified state set about, as they put it, "making Italians," the work is still only half done.

In Garibaldi's day, all the peoples of the peninsula spoke the dialect of their own region, so when the red shirts turned up on the shores of Sicily, they were regarded as scarcely less foreign than the British naval sailors who backed them up.

National wars, a national education system and nationwide television helped to forge a national language, but dialects are still alive. Pride in one's home town and its culture and food is still far more commonly encountered than pride in being Italian

The Witch-king
Mar 17th, 2011, 11:55 AM
Tanti Auguri Italia!

The Witch-king
Mar 17th, 2011, 11:56 AM
Did you go out last night?

Sam L
Mar 17th, 2011, 12:36 PM
Viva Italia!! :D But Italian history is much more interesting before unification.

Fantasy Hero
Mar 17th, 2011, 01:15 PM
Did you go out last night?

i personally didn't :lol: had a really tiring week before so i stayed and slept

SloKid
Mar 17th, 2011, 01:18 PM
A somewhat unrelated question, but is fascism (and all its crimes) part of the school curriculum in Italy?

Fantasy Hero
Mar 17th, 2011, 02:17 PM
A somewhat unrelated question, but is fascism (and all its crimes) part of the school curriculum in Italy?

it is and usually it's one of the most important part of our 5th year in high school.
we have a lot of defects, but we didn't try to hide our terrible choices in the past, right now -out of few stupids- every single person will tell you that fescism was a terrible time for our country as we did a lot of stupid choices and terrible things to "different" people (see Libia, Ethipia, slavs and germans)

SloKid
Mar 17th, 2011, 02:51 PM
:lol: Good luck convincing anyone here that you don't try to hide your terrible choices.

The Witch-king
Mar 17th, 2011, 02:53 PM
:lol: Good luck convincing anyone here that you don't try to hide your terrible choices.

I don't get it. Why should he be held accountable for his country's history?

SloKid
Mar 17th, 2011, 02:57 PM
I don't get it. Why should he be held accountable for his country's history?
I'm not holding him accountable for anything.

*JR*
Mar 17th, 2011, 03:05 PM
Some Italian politicians "celebrate the occasion". :devil:

http://www.linearossage.it/vaff_pensiero/gesti_volgari_pol_ita.htm

Fantasy Hero
Mar 17th, 2011, 03:10 PM
:lol: Good luck convincing anyone here that you don't try to hide your terrible choices.

sorry but i have to say you are being very mean.
it's not like we are saying every moment of our life: "we are so sorry for having let a crazy man rule our country and our grandads probably killed innocents", but everytime it happens people talk about 2nd world war, we don't hide the mistakes italy made :shrug:
We did pay (and probably we paid too much) for those mistakes and we are still paying a lot of money and we do have a day to remember the people who were killed in the Foibe. as you are slovenian probably you know about the things that happen every year in trieste and the nearby

SloKid
Mar 17th, 2011, 03:27 PM
sorry but i have to say you are being very mean.
it's not like we are saying every moment of our life: "we are so sorry for having let a crazy man rule our country and our grandads probably killed innocents", but everytime it happens people talk about 2nd world war, we don't hide the mistakes italy made :shrug:
We did pay (and probably we paid too much) for those mistakes and we are still paying a lot of money and we do have a day to remember the people who were killed in the Foibe. as you are slovenian probably you know about the things that happen every year in trieste and the nearby
Typical Italian answer, bringing up foibe. :lol: An absolute joke, go study an objective source and compare the numbers of those who suffered under the Italians compared to those who died in foibe and educate yourself on who those people were before repeating the vastly exaggerated Italian propaganda.

I'm sorry for derailing this thread, but what exactly did Italy pay, some useless reparations, they were able to keep a lot of land, a lot of land with Slovenian ethnic majority, that is now a small minority, because they had their language and last names and essentially their culture taken away from them, a still ongoing process, which is why I even bother replying to this thread, as it's not really a thing of the past.

I should've been clearer earlier, when I say "anyone here" I mean in Slovenia, particulary the region bordering Italy, that was under Italian rule for decades in the 20th century and when I say "you" I mean Italy in general, politicians, especially local ones, in particular (including normal people, who are quick to go have some commemoration at holes in Slovenia just to stir shit, yet deny most of the wrongdoing from the past). I'm not sure if you're taught that no Italian politician (well of those that matter at least) ever apologised for the Italian crimes here, nor did anyone every stand trial for crimes during the war.

At least Germany never hid away from it.

WhatTheDeuce
Mar 17th, 2011, 03:29 PM
150 years of sexy. :drool:

Fantasy Hero
Mar 17th, 2011, 04:01 PM
Typical Italian answer, bringing up foibe. :lol: An absolute joke, go study an objective source and compare the numbers of those who suffered under the Italians compared to those who died in foibe and educate yourself on who those people were before repeating the vastly exaggerated Italian propaganda.

I'm sorry for derailing this thread, but what exactly did Italy pay, some useless reparations, they were able to keep a lot of land, a lot of land with Slovenian ethnic majority, that is now a small minority, because they had their language and last names and essentially their culture taken away from them, a still ongoing process, which is why I even bother replying to this thread, as it's not really a thing of the past.

I should've been clearer earlier, when I say "anyone here" I mean in Slovenia, particulary the region bordering Italy, that was under Italian rule for decades in the 20th century and when I say "you" I mean Italy in general, politicians, especially local ones, in particular (including normal people, who are quick to go have some commemoration at holes in Slovenia just to stir shit, yet deny most of the wrongdoing from the past). I'm not sure if you're taught that no Italian politician (well of those that matter at least) ever apologised for the Italian crimes here, nor did anyone every stand trial for crimes during the war.

At least Germany never hid away from it.

maybe because differently from you i grow old in a place were italian, austrian and slovenian people are all living together with no problems even though they are under italian government, i don't see the problems as you see them.
As far as i know -maybe i can be wrong- but the thing you are saying is that Gorizia, Trieste and probably a lot of nowadays italian lands should be slovenian because they speak this language? if it's so, well dude i think you are really far from a convincing fact.
if not all, at least half of the people who speak slovenian in trieste's province are cool about being italian and consider them selves italians. But as you point out the language thing what should we do now? give you those places and ask Croatia to give us the Istria and Dalmazia's coasts even though only half of the people there speaks italian because all the italians who lived there were brutally killed or somehow could escape during Tito's time?
and then what should we do with the Val Canale? split it in 3 giving to slovenian the town of Ugovizza as there you find slovenian speaking people, Malborghetto and Camporosso to Austria and leave Tarvisio to italy? :lol:
And please don't tell me that Portoroz, Kanal, Izola and so on are slovenian name and we gave them italian names to make it seems we owned them before :p

The Witch-king
Mar 17th, 2011, 04:34 PM
I'm not holding him accountable for anything.

Clearly you two have a certain way of talking about country's histories because if you came at me with that "you" shit when talking about what happens/happened in my country I would be like
http://bling.properkernel.com/humor/gtfo-56265.jpg

*JR*
Mar 17th, 2011, 05:27 PM
150 years of sexy. :drool:

Indeed...

http://media.libero.it/c/img66/fg/09/9217/2008/4/mussolini.jpg

Fantasy Hero
Mar 17th, 2011, 05:30 PM
why do you have to come out with Mussolini Alessandra all the time? :weirdo:

Fantasy Hero
Mar 17th, 2011, 05:37 PM
I think it is time for US troops to leave Italy. I am tired of our American tax dollars being wasted. Can't Italy defend itself?

:haha: what? you guys are not here to defend us :rolls:
you asked for your bases here to be ready to fight in europe or north africa/ middle east :lol: hope you were kidding or you are really badly informed

JN
Mar 17th, 2011, 06:46 PM
:haha: what? you guys are not here to defend us :rolls:
you asked for your bases here to be ready to fight in europe or north africa/ middle east :lol: hope you were kidding or you are really badly informed

He can't help it, he watches Fox "News". :shrug:

FORZA SARITA
Mar 17th, 2011, 06:57 PM
these idiots should care of other problems not this stupid and useless birthday :help::help::help::help:
150 years ago south italy ruled and now even Burundi is a better place :rolleyes:
and everybody worship Garibaldi :tape::tape::tape: does anyone know what he really did?:help:

Indeed...

http://media.libero.it/c/img66/fg/09/9217/2008/4/mussolini.jpg


i talk for me,Darop and Fantasy: STOP spamming us with your pm's :tape: we're far from liking this ugly homophobe bitch :lol:

Darop.
Mar 17th, 2011, 09:19 PM
I think it is time for US troops to leave Italy. I am tired of our American tax dollars being wasted. Can't Italy defend itself?

Oh, please please PLEASE let this be some sort of joke.

This is SO stupid for SOOO many different reasons.

Darop.
Mar 17th, 2011, 09:21 PM
i talk for me,Darop and Fantasy: STOP spamming us with your pm's :tape: we're far from liking this ugly homophobe bitch :lol:

Though I initially thought his obsession was just weird and creepy, I think it's quite hilarious :haha:

"MEGLIO FASCISTA CHE FROCIO!!!!! Quello pensa di potersi vestire da donna e dire quello che gli pare!" :p :haha:

*JR*
Mar 17th, 2011, 09:55 PM
Though I initially thought his obsession was just weird and creepy, I think it's quite hilarious :haha:

"MEGLIO FASCISTA CHE FROCIO!!!!! Quello pensa di potersi vestire da donna e dire quello che gli pare!" :p :haha:

Her vid's are about as real as the Jerry Springer show, or pro wrestling. :o La Bella Alessandra was a professional actress (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0615905/#Actress) for years, and apparently carried it ova into her rather unspectacular political career. ;)