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pov
Mar 14th, 2011, 09:23 PM
Recommendations?

ampers&
Mar 15th, 2011, 01:32 AM
What do you mean when you say "Indie" Hip Hop?

pov
Mar 15th, 2011, 01:35 AM
What do you mean when you say "Indie" Hip Hop?
Clearly I mean Hip-Hop from Indiana. :lol: Thanks for the correction. I mean independent and/or underground Hip-hop

ampers&
Mar 15th, 2011, 01:58 AM
Clearly I mean Hip-Hop from Indiana. :lol: Thanks for the correction. I mean independent and/or underground Hip-hopNo, I wasn't questioning the spelling, only how you categorized "indie" hip hip. Because, as far as I'm concerned, there is no such thing. So when people use that term it makes me wonder the kind of Hip Hop artists they would classify as "Indie" Hip Hop.

moby
Mar 15th, 2011, 02:31 AM
If you're talking about alternative hip-hop for hipsters (i.e. Pitchfork recommended), then I love Das Racist.

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pov
Mar 15th, 2011, 02:39 AM
No, I wasn't questioning the spelling, only how you categorized "indie" hip hip. Because, as far as I'm concerned, there is no such thing. So when people use that term it makes me wonder the kind of Hip Hop artists they would classify as "Indie" Hip Hop.
Okay. So you see all Hip-Hop as being the major label narrow format stuff that fills the airwaves? Maybe I'm not getting exactly what you mean.

ampers&
Mar 15th, 2011, 03:11 AM
Yes, only some Hip Hop artists (the artists I listen to the most) make music more grounded in its original roots of purpose. There are no sub-genres of Hip Hop (except Underground which is nothing like what people call "indie"). When people do that, it belittles the genre as far as I'm concerned. When I hear the term indie hip hop I think "hip-hop for hipsters (i.e. Pitchfork recommended)." Hip Hop for hipsters = hip hop artists that rap about comfortable, mostly detached subjects that make it easy for people desperate to connect with a culture they don't necessarily understand. In a sense, it's musical gentrification.

When I hear people call artists like A Tribe Called Quest, Public Enemy and Immortal Technique "indie hip hop" I cringe. Like, really? Shows a complete ignorance about the genre and it's culture.

Anyways, work time. Good luck with your search!

So Disrespectful
Mar 15th, 2011, 03:54 AM
Without getting involved in whether it should be classed as indie or not, if you're just asking for lesser known acts when you say indie, then the entire Funcrusher Plus album by Company Flow is pretty stellar.

Beat
Mar 15th, 2011, 09:46 AM
There are no sub-genres of Hip Hop

how so? :confused:

i think your post was very interesting - but at the same time i think you knew pretty well what the OP meant ;) labelling music is always difficult, no matter the genre. i remember all the discussions i had in my life about whether a certain band was indie rock or not. it's futile. just take a look at the tags people invent on last.fm (e.g. "what the fuck is this shit", lol). and with your musical knowledge, i'm sure you have some valuable recommendations.

ampers&
Mar 15th, 2011, 10:46 AM
how so? :confused:

i think your post was very interesting - but at the same time i think you knew pretty well what the OP meant ;) labelling music is always difficult, no matter the genre. i remember all the discussions i had in my life about whether a certain band was indie rock or not. it's futile. just take a look at the tags people invent on last.fm (e.g. "what the fuck is this shit", lol). and with your musical knowledge, i'm sure you have some valuable recommendations.
Eh, it's complicated. :p Anyway, you're right, it is difficult. I've just gotten so tired of people calling Hip Hop artists like Mos Def, The Roots, Q-Tip, Lupe, The Cool Kids, etc "Indie" Hip Hop that it irks me to even hear the term. But that's not necessarily fair.

Anyways, recommendations from newer artists:

The Cool Kids (The Bake Sale)
Kidz In The Hall (The In Crowd)
Foreign Exchange (Connected)
K'naan (Troubadour)
N.A.S.A. (The Spirit of Apollo)
Kid Sister (Ultra Violet)
Childish Gambino (I Am Just A Rapper 1 & 2)
Hoodie Allen (Pep Rally mixtape)
Das Rascist (Sit Down, Man...their other album, Shut Up, Dude good too)
Grand Buffet (King Vision)
Jay Electronica (check out his Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind mixtape)

More mainstream but good hip hop albums:

The Roots (How I Got Over)
Wale (The Mixtape About Nothing & More About Nothing)
Curren$y (Pilot Talk)
Q-Tip (The Renaissance)
Mos Def (The Ecstatic)

pov
Mar 15th, 2011, 05:02 PM
Yes, only some Hip Hop artists (the artists I listen to the most) make music more grounded in its original roots of purpose. There are no sub-genres of Hip Hop (except Underground which is nothing like what people call "indie"). When people do that, it belittles the genre as far as I'm concerned. When I hear the term indie hip hop I think "hip-hop for hipsters (i.e. Pitchfork recommended)." Hip Hop for hipsters = hip hop artists that rap about comfortable, mostly detached subjects that make it easy for people desperate to connect with a culture they don't necessarily understand. In a sense, it's musical gentrification.

When I hear people call artists like A Tribe Called Quest, Public Enemy and Immortal Technique "indie hip hop" I cringe. Like, really? Shows a complete ignorance about the genre and it's culture.

Anyways, work time. Good luck with your search!
Interesting. I think there are "sub-genres" of Hip-Hop. IMO not acknowledging that reduces Hip-Hop to something far less than it is. Hip-Hop isn't just about Gangsta or even "street" - although much of it was pushed in that direction. To think that devalues the richness and diversity of African-American cultures. The idea that there's a single African- American culture and that it is street is a captivating delusion foisted by those who benefit from it.

Beyond that, musical styles - like everything else - change and expand.

Stamp Paid
Mar 15th, 2011, 06:30 PM
I really like The Niceguys and Odd Future, although I fear they are headed in the direction of that Hipster accessible SXSW shit :sad:
Also, check out the soundtracks to the anime Samurai Champloo (trust me, lol), mostly created by tsutchie and Force of Nature. Its not American hip-hop, but its still beautiful, epic music.
J*Davey, Frank Ocean too.

pov
Mar 15th, 2011, 06:44 PM
Eh, it's complicated. :p Anyway, you're right, it is difficult. I've just gotten so tired of people calling Hip Hop artists like Mos Def, The Roots, Q-Tip, Lupe, The Cool Kids, etc "Indie" Hip Hop that it irks me to even hear the term. But that's not necessarily fair.

Anyways, recommendations from newer artists:

The Cool Kids (The Bake Sale)
Kidz In The Hall (The In Crowd)
Foreign Exchange (Connected)
K'naan (Troubadour)
N.A.S.A. (The Spirit of Apollo)
Kid Sister (Ultra Violet)
Childish Gambino (I Am Just A Rapper 1 & 2)
Hoodie Allen (Pep Rally mixtape)
Das Rascist (Sit Down, Man...their other album, Shut Up, Dude good too)
Grand Buffet (King Vision)
Jay Electronica (check out his Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind mixtape)

More mainstream but good hip hop albums:

The Roots (How I Got Over)
Wale (The Mixtape About Nothing & More About Nothing)
Curren$y (Pilot Talk)
Q-Tip (The Renaissance)
Mos Def (The Ecstatic)

Thanks to you as I know you kinda weren't feeling it. And . . dang? I know The Roots, Q-Tip, Mos-Def and . . .that's it. :lol:

pov
Mar 15th, 2011, 06:45 PM
how so? :confused:

i think your post was very interesting - but at the same time i think you knew pretty well what the OP meant ;) labelling music is always difficult, no matter the genre. i remember all the discussions i had in my life about whether a certain band was indie rock or not. it's futile. just take a look at the tags people invent on last.fm (e.g. "what the fuck is this shit", lol). and with your musical knowledge, i'm sure you have some valuable recommendations.
Thanks for weighing in and smoothing the path.

ico4498
Mar 15th, 2011, 06:51 PM
labelling music is always difficult, no matter the genre.

genre labelling is best when the distinctions mean something to your listening habits. in my digitial collection i've managed, with much diligence, to stick to a total of 13 genres for some years now ...

9 of the 13 relate to reggae. most of the non reggae stuff i regard as pop. works for me ... would probably be hell if you aren't me!:lol:

pov
Mar 16th, 2011, 12:10 AM
i've managed, with much diligence, to stick to a total of 13 genres for some years now ...

9 of the 13 relate to reggae. most of the non reggae stuff i regard as pop. works for me ... would probably be hell if you aren't me!:lol:
Okay . . . you're up. Let's hear the 9 genres of reggae. :)

ico4498
Mar 16th, 2011, 12:53 AM
Okay . . . you're up. Let's hear the 9 genres of reggae. :)

related to reggae?

mento
ska
rocksteady
dancehall
reggae (of course!)
reggaeton
dub
dub poetry
raga

i've been resisting the temptation to move Count Ossie, Ras Michael, etc out of reggae and into nyahbinghi. a tenth category ... :lol: i don't have enough kumina & poco!!

pov
Mar 16th, 2011, 05:35 PM
related to reggae?

mento
ska
rocksteady
dancehall
reggae (of course!)
reggaeton
dub
dub poetry
raga

i've been resisting the temptation to move Count Ossie, Ras Michael, etc out of reggae and into nyahbinghi. a tenth category ... :lol: i don't have enough kumina & poco!!

You sound like you definitely know your Jamaican music so I'm guessing you know that mento, rocksteady and ska all pre-date reggae. Yeah ska and rock-steady were direct precursors but mento? Maybe. Still, I see your point. :yeah: Me no like reggaeton - kinda feels like people ripping off dancehall.

ico4498
Mar 17th, 2011, 05:36 PM
You sound like you definitely know your Jamaican music so I'm guessing you know that mento, rocksteady and ska all pre-date reggae. Yeah ska and rock-steady were direct precursors but mento? Maybe. Still, I see your point. :yeah: Me no like reggaeton - kinda feels like people ripping off dancehall.


me: 9 of the 13 relate to reggae
u: Let's hear the 9 genres of reggae.
me: related to reggae?

you also sound like you know your Jamaican music so i think you may have missed the "relate". imo mento is definitely a relative. and yes, i agree with yah, it would be wrong to label a precursive genre as a sub-genre of reggae!:lol:

hip-hop & reggaeton origins are influenced by Jamaican migration. many who went to work on the Panama canal never returned home. but that wasn't the genesis of the Latin/Carib music dynamic, calypso, another reggae relative, was. reggaeton bonafides compare well with other immigrant Jamaican communities. imo as legit as the music of Aswad, Steel Pulse, etc

The Witch-king
Mar 17th, 2011, 05:53 PM
Er... is "indie" a genre? I thought it just means you have no record contract, not what is written below.


Yes, only some Hip Hop artists (the artists I listen to the most) make music more grounded in its original roots of purpose. There are no sub-genres of Hip Hop (except Underground which is nothing like what people call "indie"). When people do that, it belittles the genre as far as I'm concerned. When I hear the term indie hip hop I think "hip-hop for hipsters (i.e. Pitchfork recommended)." Hip Hop for hipsters = hip hop artists that rap about comfortable, mostly detached subjects that make it easy for people desperate to connect with a culture they don't necessarily understand. In a sense, it's musical gentrification.

When I hear people call artists like A Tribe Called Quest, Public Enemy and Immortal Technique "indie hip hop" I cringe. Like, really? Shows a complete ignorance about the genre and it's culture.

Anyways, work time. Good luck with your search!

dybbuk
Mar 17th, 2011, 10:06 PM
Also, check out the soundtracks to the anime Samurai Champloo (trust me, lol), mostly created by tsutchie and Force of Nature. Its not American hip-hop, but its still beautiful, epic music.


Thank you. I looked into this after seeing this post and I love it. :hearts:

pov
Mar 18th, 2011, 01:53 AM
me: 9 of the 13 relate to reggae
u: Let's hear the 9 genres of reggae.
me: related to reggae?

you also sound like you know your Jamaican music so i think you may have missed the "relate". imo mento is definitely a relative. and yes, i agree with yah, it would be wrong to label a precursive genre as a sub-genre of reggae!:lol:

hip-hop & reggaeton origins are influenced by Jamaican migration. many who went to work on the Panama canal never returned home. but that wasn't the genesis of the Latin/Carib music dynamic, calypso, another reggae relative, was. reggaeton bonafides compare well with other immigrant Jamaican communities. imo as legit as the music of Aswad, Steel Pulse, etc
No . no . .no. :lol: When I wrote "I see your point" I meant that I get that yeah they're all related in some way. Even though the mento is . .mmm . .yeah . . :lol:

Now on this post - I will differ. Calypso is not at all a related to reggae. "Ah de Trini dem come up wid dat foolisness. We nuh really deal ina de Calypso bizness. You follow me?" And while I agree with your take on reggaeton - I still think it sucks. Then again, there's not a lot of Latin American music that I like. ;)

pov
Mar 18th, 2011, 01:55 AM
Er... is "indie" a genre? I thought it just means you have no record contract, not what is written below.
You're right - in the strictest sense. But it is also loosely considered a genre by some. Not having a major label and big producers frees an artiste so the music is often more creative and - for want of a better term - genuine.

shap_half
Mar 18th, 2011, 04:54 AM
Eh, it's complicated. :p Anyway, you're right, it is difficult. I've just gotten so tired of people calling Hip Hop artists like Mos Def, The Roots, Q-Tip, Lupe, The Cool Kids, etc "Indie" Hip Hop that it irks me to even hear the term. But that's not necessarily fair.

Anyways, recommendations from newer artists:

The Cool Kids (The Bake Sale)
Kidz In The Hall (The In Crowd)
Foreign Exchange (Connected)
K'naan (Troubadour)
N.A.S.A. (The Spirit of Apollo)
Kid Sister (Ultra Violet)
Childish Gambino (I Am Just A Rapper 1 & 2)
Hoodie Allen (Pep Rally mixtape)
Das Rascist (Sit Down, Man...their other album, Shut Up, Dude good too)
Grand Buffet (King Vision)
Jay Electronica (check out his Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind mixtape)

More mainstream but good hip hop albums:

The Roots (How I Got Over)
Wale (The Mixtape About Nothing & More About Nothing)
Curren$y (Pilot Talk)
Q-Tip (The Renaissance)
Mos Def (The Ecstatic)

I think it's funny that people think Q-Tip, Mos Def, The Roots, Lupe Fiasco indie hip hop. I think Indie just means lesser known hip hop. Perhaps music that's not generally played on the mainstream radio stations. I don't know. I figure that's the sentiment behind the word. Regardless, the aforementioned artists aren't indie in that regard at all.

shap_half
Mar 18th, 2011, 04:56 AM
I really like Sleigh Bells, because it's like everything but the kitchen sink electronic music with a bit of a hip hop flavor.

shap_half
Mar 18th, 2011, 05:02 AM
Oh the latest JJ album samples from a bunch of hip hop songs.

shap_half
Mar 18th, 2011, 05:08 AM
I really like The Niceguys and Odd Future, although I fear they are headed in the direction of that Hipster accessible SXSW shit :sad:

I"m not concerned about stuff like this, but I love The Niceguys' Somebody. So fucking sexy.

ico4498
Mar 23rd, 2011, 07:29 AM
Calypso is not at all a related to reggae. "Ah de Trini dem come up wid dat foolisness. We nuh really deal ina de Calypso bizness. You follow me?" And while I agree with your take on reggaeton - I still think it sucks. Then again, there's not a lot of Latin American music that I like. ;)

you have a great sense of humor so i'll leave yah wid dis ...

Calypso is a great gift from the powerful Trini musicians to Caribbean culture. Mento is its true Jamaican brother who begat ska who begat etc ... reggae.

easy nuh.

ampers&
Mar 23rd, 2011, 08:34 AM
Justin, I tried to check out The Niceguys but no luck finding their music. :( Downloading Samurai Champloo now.
Oh and also, Odd Future definitely headed in that direction. Pitchfork darlings already. Always the first step to hipsterdom. :sobbing:

Stamp Paid
Mar 23rd, 2011, 09:03 AM
check this out Momo http://usershare.net/9ssjazh9tsyh Niceguys The Show Mixtape

ampers&
Mar 23rd, 2011, 09:24 AM
Thanks J! Also, your Simon and Garfunkel request ages ago...just download their 20 Greatest Hits. Torrent: http://isohunt.com/torrent_details/32058478/simon+%26+garfunkel?tab=summary

Shonami Slam
Mar 23rd, 2011, 03:07 PM
very intresting thread. i have nothing to contribute though