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RenaSlam.
Mar 10th, 2011, 06:26 PM
Serious question. She could be Top 30 easily, maybe even Top 20. She's a better athlete than most players today and has more weapons than most of the current top players.

After seeing the video of her hitting with Petkovic, I say she should come back.

Please, Steffi. PLEASE.

Hian
Mar 10th, 2011, 06:29 PM
I don't think WTA needs to be saved: there are a lot of good girls (Kim, Serena, Vee, Caroline, Vera, Fran, Jelena, Vika and so on...).

DownInAHole
Mar 10th, 2011, 06:32 PM
Wasn't part of the reason she retired due to nagging injuries? At her age that would be a bigger problem than it was ten plus years ago when she retired.

pov
Mar 10th, 2011, 06:33 PM
The WTA doesn't need "saving."

It would be fun to see Graf play but I don't think she'll do it. Grinding week after week on tour is different to just hitting/playing only when you want to.

GrafMariaPetraK
Mar 10th, 2011, 06:33 PM
Please!!!!!!!!!!:worship: Steffi still could kick some butt!

Mynarco
Mar 10th, 2011, 06:34 PM
Hell Yes.

goldenlox
Mar 10th, 2011, 06:39 PM
The tour is physically grueling. Just because Date can handle the grind doesnt mean its easy for players that age to compete.
Date Krumm is phenomenal.

!VamosRafa!
Mar 10th, 2011, 06:56 PM
LMAO
You can't be serious?Top 30,top 20? :haha:

madmax
Mar 10th, 2011, 06:59 PM
how old is this dinosaur again?

doomsday
Mar 10th, 2011, 07:02 PM
how old is this dinosaur again?

:lol: you are mean.
She is 40+ now.

MBM
Mar 10th, 2011, 07:02 PM
OMG can we start a poking system for anyone saying the tour needs to be 'saved'?

Mightymirza
Mar 10th, 2011, 07:04 PM
:lol: nooo... The couple BHs she hit in the rally were quite tame and I can not take one more Justine like comeback from my fave.. She better train her kids to have that FH..:bounce:

Patrick345
Mar 10th, 2011, 07:04 PM
LMAO
You can't be serious?Top 30,top 20? :haha:

If I had to bet my life on Graf or Pironkova/Cibulkova/Zakopalova/Rezai in one match, I´d die before trusting those four. :lol:

Olórin
Mar 10th, 2011, 07:06 PM
LMAO
You can't be serious?Top 30,top 20? :haha:

No you're quite right she wouldn't break the top 20 as she is too injury prone, even now.

However, healthy, on a given day, forget top 20 - she could play to a top 10 level for a set, perhaps a match if she practised hard enough. I like what I saw from her in the clip and in the Wimbledon exhibition. The 22-time Grand Slam winner still has her game intact, and some play/confidence would sharpen it.

Betten
Mar 10th, 2011, 07:06 PM
Absolutely not. Just because she was hitting a good ball with Petkovic doesn't mean she has what it takes to get back to the top 20 at her age. Sure, I could see her surprising one of today's players with her game, but that doesn't mean she can do it again the next day, or the day after that. People often forget how tough these tournaments are compared to the slams, where there's a day of rest between matches.

miffedmax
Mar 10th, 2011, 07:38 PM
I have to agree she wouldn't stand up to the grind of playing. Even Date-Krumm who's younger and hasn't had kids has a hard time doing it.

She'd only tarnish her legacy. Let her enjoy married life and her kids.

TennisFan66
Mar 10th, 2011, 07:38 PM
What is the cut-off age for using the 'save WTA' phrase? As for Steffi joining the tour again and being top 20. SERIOUSLY? :lol:

laurie
Mar 10th, 2011, 07:42 PM
Do you mean as WTA Chief Executive?

DownInAHole
Mar 10th, 2011, 08:13 PM
No you're quite right she wouldn't break the top 20 as she is too injury prone, even now.

However, healthy, on a given day, forget top 20 - she could play to a top 10 level for a set, perhaps a match if she practised hard enough. I like what I saw from her in the clip and in the Wimbledon exhibition. The 22-time Grand Slam winner still has her game intact, and some play/confidence would sharpen it.

This post makes a lot of sense. In an exhibition match (with adequate preparation) she could do some serious damage against the majority of today's players but I think it would be unrealistic to expect her to play at that level for an entire season. Who's to say, maybe she could do it but it seems unlikely.

Sombrerero loco
Mar 10th, 2011, 08:17 PM
are you kidding me?she wouldnt even be top 100 with that backhand...

RenaSlam.
Mar 10th, 2011, 08:43 PM
If Graf played a limited schedule she could for sure break the Top 30. Have you seen some of the players in the Top 30 play/move?

Patrick345
Mar 10th, 2011, 08:45 PM
are you kidding me?she wouldnt even be top 100 with that backhand...

http://static2.elespectador.com/files/images/enero2010/029f9a490082863cc0f3a547dd6714f2.jpg

pov
Mar 10th, 2011, 09:09 PM
how old is this dinosaur again?
You are 30 right?

pov
Mar 10th, 2011, 09:11 PM
are you kidding me?she wouldnt even be top 100 with that backhand...
:haha: So you're saying that Graf wouldn't go as far up the rankings as Date Krumm? :haha: :haha: :haha:

Lapaco
Mar 10th, 2011, 09:13 PM
Graf would win RG and W without much problem, if she were to come back.

Shvedbarilescu
Mar 10th, 2011, 09:14 PM
:haha: So you're saying that Graf wouldn't go as far up the rankings as Date Krumm? :haha: :haha: :haha:

Graf wouldn't go as far up the rankings as Date Krumm. That is correct.

Lapaco
Mar 10th, 2011, 09:20 PM
Graf wouldn't go as far up the rankings as Date Krumm. That is correct.

haha

Vikapower
Mar 10th, 2011, 09:26 PM
This thread is ridiculous and as some pointed out there's no way she'd be beating a top 20-30 player with her unique slice !

The girls are much more powerful, much more technically accomplished [...] and with the way Steffi hits her BHs there's really no need to have Federesque movement... :lol:

Slice... slice... slice... you just have to be patient and work the ball in height and angles... :lol: people need to watch Federer or Nadal vs. Fernando Gonzales or Murray vs. Federer matches to have an idea of what Steffi would be persistently enduring against top BHs.

pov
Mar 10th, 2011, 09:35 PM
Dang! Thanks to the naysayers I wish Graf was going to make a comeback just so I could see them proved wrong. And make some money off them. ;) But I feel sure she ain't gonna do it.

Patrick345
Mar 10th, 2011, 09:43 PM
This thread is ridiculous and as some pointed out there's no way she'd be beating a top 20-30 player with her unique slice !

The girls are much more powerful, much more technically accomplished [...] and with the way Steffi hits her BHs there's really no need to have Federesque movement... :lol:

That is till the first sneaky short slice to the forehand side from a backhand rally happens. Then half the Tour files a protest with the umpire that the shot must be illegal, because they have never seen it. :lol:

Roberta Vinci is doing okay with her slice. Garbin with the most awful slice in the history of slices remained in the top 100 till she retired in 2011.

Justin
Mar 10th, 2011, 09:53 PM
I'd love to see her come back. She'd fail miserably, unless her goal is to lose to relative nobodies, completely embarrass herself and tarnish her legacy. That being said: Do it, Steffi! :bounce:

LightWarrior
Mar 10th, 2011, 09:56 PM
You're deluded. I thought this thread was tongue-in-cheek. I'm sure she could score a few 1st round wins here and there. After all then 47 year-old Navratilova won one match at Wimbledon. But she was still playing doubles regularly. From what I've heard Graf has been playing occasionnaly since she retired.

Belmont Lad
Mar 10th, 2011, 10:01 PM
What a silly thread. :rolleyes: Graf retired 11 years ago and has seldom hit the court except to prepare for occasional exhibition matches. Her body is far to fragile to even think of tolerating serious training for competing at an elite level, it's part of the reason she retired, beyond having nothing left to achieve that she hadn't already accomplished.

Shvedbarilescu
Mar 10th, 2011, 10:28 PM
What a silly thread. :rolleyes: Graf retired 11 years ago and has seldom hit the court except to prepare for occasional exhibition matches. Her body is far to fragile to even think of tolerating serious training for competing at an elite level, it's part of the reason she retired, beyond having nothing left to achieve that she hadn't already accomplished.

Outstanding post. Yes, Graf is along with Evert and Navratilova one of the three best players of the open era and one can make a very strong case that she is the best bar no one but because she was virtually peerless as a teenager and as a woman in her 20s does not mean that she would be without peer as a 40 year old. People's bodies age differently and as Belmont Lad rightly states Graf's was falling apart at 30.

Having said that I do think Graf's 90s game complete with her backhand slice would be very effective played today. Graf's problem on the tour today would not be that her game is obsolete, far from it, her problem would be that her body would no longer allow her to play the game that made her a champion.

Aging is a very real thing folks. There is a reason 40 years don't normally play profession sports. Kimiko is a rare exception and where she is hiding that fountain of youth elixir of hers no one knows but just because Kimiko has been able to reach the top 50 at 40 doesn't mean anybody else from that generation could as well.

Sammo
Mar 10th, 2011, 10:55 PM
No thanks

Vikapower
Mar 10th, 2011, 10:59 PM
Roberta Vinci is doing okay with her slice. Garbin with the most awful slice in the history of slices remained in the top 100 till she retired in 2011.

I like slices but in the modern game this shot just can't be striken on a persistent basis unless as you've showed by pointing out Vinci that you only play for top 100...

If you want to go for higher you need much stronger weaknesses and the best example of that is Rodg...

From around his early career to 2006 around he could comfortably rely on his incredible slice BH on opponent's weaker sides but wih Nadal as lefty and Murray, Djokovic or Del po, players with little to no weaknesses and the pin point BH technique to deal with these variances he has had the obligation to flatten his BH more...

Steffi barely ever hits flat off that side... in the modern game she'd fastly derail... I think she'd be a covincincing top 100...

Steffi-fan
Mar 11th, 2011, 05:04 AM
I don't think WTA needs to be saved: there are a lot of good girls (Kim, Serena, Vee, Caroline, Vera, Fran, Jelena, Vika and so on...).

there are still some real loving tennis players now like Kim,Henin...,but we can't compare them with Steffi,Seles,Navratilova,Arantxa,Gaby,or even with Hingis .

moby
Mar 11th, 2011, 06:07 AM
I like slices but in the modern game this shot just can't be striken on a persistent basis unless as you've showed by pointing out Vinci that you only play for top 100...

If you want to go for higher you need much stronger weaknesses and the best example of that is Rodg...

From around his early career to 2006 around he could comfortably rely on his incredible slice BH on opponent's weaker sides but wih Nadal as lefty and Murray, Djokovic or Del po, players with little to no weaknesses and the pin point BH technique to deal with these variances he has had the obligation to flatten his BH more...

Steffi barely ever hits flat off that side... in the modern game she'd fastly derail... I think she'd be a covincincing top 100...Compensating for the differences between the women's game and the men's game,

1) I actually think Steffi's slice backhand is better than Roger's.
2) There is no female equivalent of Nadal or Murray with said "little to no weaknesses and pin point BH technique".
3) Are we seriously comparing Steffi's slice to ... Vinci's?

QuietPlease
Mar 11th, 2011, 06:19 AM
It's too late for a comeback.
She'll just get injured again... and again...

tea
Mar 11th, 2011, 06:36 AM
Given the quality of these threads adding a :facepalm: smiley must be the greatest moderatorial decision in ages.

starin
Mar 11th, 2011, 06:51 AM
Kimiko Date - 440 matches played
Steffi Graf - 1115 matches played

:shrug: there's a reason why Kimiko has been able to come back with so much success at age 40+. She's played less matches than players 10 years younger than her. It's not just age, it's how many matches you've played and Steffi has put her body through the ringer. I highly doubt she could come back and play a full year although I'm sure she could could upset some highly ranked players.

Navratil
Mar 11th, 2011, 07:04 AM
Serious question. She could be Top 30 easily, maybe even Top 20. She's a better athlete than most players today and has more weapons than most of the current top players.

After seeing the video of her hitting with Petkovic, I say she should come back.

Please, Steffi. PLEASE.

If she could be Top 20 - yes!!! She could save the tour from being Boring-to-hell-tour.
But I'll doubt that she'll be fit enough. She needs to be fast for her kind of game. That's different to the Navratilova game.

But - wow! - that would be something!!! Graf comeback in Eastbourne :D

timafi
Mar 11th, 2011, 12:06 PM
Jesus:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:

Morning Morgan
Mar 11th, 2011, 12:16 PM
Age is definitely the problem. But if we talk game wise, it definitely ranks up there as one of the best. And people here make it sound like Steffi can't hit a normal backhand, when she has an excellent topspin backhand. Just that her slice was good enough for her era, if needed I don't see why she can't hit normal backhands in today's game as well, circa her 1985-1990 game.

Shvedbarilescu
Mar 11th, 2011, 12:49 PM
Age is definitely the problem. But if we talk game wise, it definitely ranks up there as one of the best. And people here make it sound like Steffi can't hit a normal backhand, when she has an excellent topspin backhand. Just that her slice was good enough for her era, if needed I don't see why she can't hit normal backhands in today's game as well, circa her 1985-1990 game.

Agree. The age is the issue, not Steffi game. Steffi's game can hold its own against anyone and it would be effective in any era.

A 25 year old Graf would kick ass on today's game. But Steffi isn't 25 anymore.

rada
Mar 11th, 2011, 12:52 PM
the WTA is great the way it is thanks! Steffi should stay home with the kids :)

So Disrespectful
Mar 11th, 2011, 12:56 PM
:haha: People expected that she'd suddenly forget how to hit a ball? Of course one of the all time greats in her early 40s can still trade with a top 30 player for a few minutes. She retired because she was ready to retire, not because she could no longer play tennis and that fact still remains.

Matt01
Mar 11th, 2011, 01:04 PM
Hell, no.


:haha: People expected that she'd suddenly forget how to hit a ball? Of course one of the all time greats in her early 40s can still trade with a top 30 player for a few minutes. She retired because she was ready to retire, not because she could no longer play tennis and that fact still remains.


She retired in her last match because she was injured :p

So Disrespectful
Mar 11th, 2011, 10:16 PM
She retired in her last match because she was injured :p

Yes, but she did not retire because of an injury that she could have recovered from. She retired because she no longer enjoyed playing (she said this herself).

Anabelcroft
Mar 12th, 2011, 12:16 AM
Yes, but she did not retire because of an injury that she could have recovered from. She retired because she no longer enjoyed playing (she said this herself).

Yes,but her last years on tour were full of injuries and operations,so she no longer enjoyed playing while being always injured or half injured and that's why she retired...

She herself said that her body was on limit and that her back were like the ones of an "old granny"...

Apoleb
Mar 12th, 2011, 12:25 AM
I think her backhand would expose the lack of athleticism of many of the current players. The depth she can get on that shot in combination with the wickedness of the slice and the short angled ones she throws would expose the mediocre movement and footwork of most of the top 10.

But why is this a serious question. Unlike Martina N, Steffi is not insane.

Anabelcroft
Mar 12th, 2011, 02:55 AM
Yes, but she did not retire because of an injury that she could have recovered from. She retired because she no longer enjoyed playing (she said this herself).

And this is what Andrea Petkovic said about hitting with Steffi:

"She has an injury right now, so she could only play for 45 minutes, but it was amazing and intense. I swear that right now, if she played again, she would be top 30 in the world. She was hitting amazing, full power, and I was totally playing so hard so I wouldn’t tank."

Even now,she is not injury free,but can provide some outstanding tennis still ;-)

tkutsaar
Mar 12th, 2011, 03:17 AM
The title & premise of this thread is absolutely absurd and illogical. If Steffi Graf were to come back and capable of beating the young stars on today’s tour how does this save the WTA? If anything the fact that a 41 soon to be 42 year old can defeat the stars of today’s WTA tour would logically give rise to the inference the WTA tour is not worth watching and thus incapable of being saved.