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mauresmofan
Mar 10th, 2011, 01:57 PM
The 2 Germans having a hit in Vegas. Graf certainly hasn't lost her incredible footwork and looked like Andrea wanted the drill rallies to end long before Frauline forehand.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6v1AHFnca8

Kworb
Mar 10th, 2011, 02:33 PM
That's awesome. Graf should play a WTA tournament just for shits and giggles.

Patrick345
Mar 10th, 2011, 02:34 PM
Not bad for a 40 years old that allegedly hardly plays tennis anymore. :lol:

She could probably step on Tour tomorrow and be top 100 in three months.

Patrick345
Mar 10th, 2011, 02:36 PM
Maybe that is why Cirstea is losing all the weight. Didnīt she say she hit with her idol Steffi last year. Steffi probably killed her and she was embarrassed. :tape:

Mynarco
Mar 10th, 2011, 02:42 PM
Steffi please come back and save WTA :worship:

Libertango
Mar 10th, 2011, 02:47 PM
She looks amazing. Love the sound of the ball on the racquet.

Steffi :hearts:

Adrian.
Mar 10th, 2011, 03:02 PM
:bowdown:

Mightymirza
Mar 10th, 2011, 03:03 PM
Steffi's FH :hearts: really awesome.. They really did not play BH to BH :lol:

Belmont Lad
Mar 10th, 2011, 03:06 PM
:worship::bowdown::hearts: Steffi. The Footwork. The Forehand. The sound of the ball off her racquet. Goddess. :worship::bowdown::hearts:

Vikapower
Mar 10th, 2011, 03:12 PM
Hopefully Andrea has snatched Graf's talent in between so that in order to become a GOAT the next few weeks and years.

The Witch-king
Mar 10th, 2011, 03:15 PM
I love the camera angle.

pov
Mar 10th, 2011, 03:16 PM
Graf's footwork is stellar.

backhandsmash
Mar 10th, 2011, 03:22 PM
That was awesome! I love watching Graf. Always have, always will.

Smitten
Mar 10th, 2011, 03:23 PM
And people were saying Graf could not at least be top 20 with a fully dedicated comeback. If you gave her 6 months of full training, she could give you a good run definitely.

Carsten
Mar 10th, 2011, 03:26 PM
Yeah, Steffi isn't bad for a 41 years old :lol:

Thats what Andrea wrote in her Indian Wells blog about the practice:

This past week I got to practice with a tennis legend, Steffi Graf! So many reporters in Germany have asked me if I ever have met her, but this was the first time, and it was incredible. She has an injury right now, so she could only play for 45 minutes, but it was amazing and intense. I swear that right now, if she played again, she would be top 30 in the world. She was hitting amazing, full power, and I was totally playing so hard so I wouldn’t tank. I was dying after 45 minutes, with no breaks, it was such a tough practice! What an amazing experience to practice with her, I won’t ever forget it.
I didn’t get to see her play during her prime years when I was growing up, because I was so young, but I love watching some of the old matches on YouTube. It’s fun to watch players from the past like Sabatini, Capriati, and Graf, and see how they played. There is a lot that can be learned from them.

http://bnpparibasopenblog.com/2011/03/bnp-paribas-open-andrea-petkovic/

Morning Morgan
Mar 10th, 2011, 03:43 PM
That timing is impeccable still. Amaze.

Temperenka
Mar 10th, 2011, 03:45 PM
Steffi could still do well on tour.

pov
Mar 10th, 2011, 03:52 PM
I just watched the vid again and realized that Graf doesn't have a FH - she has a few FHs. The most uncommon one being a very short, almost truncated flick. It's a beautiful stroke.

doomsday
Mar 10th, 2011, 03:55 PM
Steffi could still do well on tour.

No she couldn't.

Libertango
Mar 10th, 2011, 04:19 PM
^OK. :rolleyes:

I've watched the vid again; her FH really is an amazing shot. After all this time, her prep, timing and power on that stroke is just :eek: Plus her amazing feet. So naturally gifted it's unreal.

LCS
Mar 10th, 2011, 04:21 PM
Mean forehand there, could totally do some damage in today's players :spit:

Stamp Paid
Mar 10th, 2011, 04:22 PM
The true GOAT.

mauresmofan
Mar 10th, 2011, 04:33 PM
No she couldn't.

Not even going to go into the rest of her game but do you honestly think the girls today would even know how to deal with a knifed slice backhand?

doomsday
Mar 10th, 2011, 04:48 PM
Not even going to go into the rest of her game but do you honestly think the girls today would even know how to deal with a knifed slice backhand?

I'm just saying it won't be that easy.

wildemu
Mar 10th, 2011, 05:31 PM
i wonder what kind of injury steffi is nursing, she looked fine in the video

hurricanejeanne
Mar 10th, 2011, 05:34 PM
Steffi could still do well on tour.

Definitely, I don't think any of the girls on tour today could handle her shots, especially her chip backhand.

Kampi
Mar 10th, 2011, 05:45 PM
Steffi the eternal queen.:worship::worship::worship:

God, all those great memories of her and I easily become melancholic.:sad:

danieln1
Mar 10th, 2011, 05:51 PM
Petkovic is saying Graf would be top 30... since sheīs a elite player and knows whatīs going on, we shouldnīt doubt her...

Watching this video, Graf would be top 30 FOR SURE!

PLP
Mar 10th, 2011, 06:21 PM
I'm just saying it won't be that easy.

No, but if she came back fully fit she could still win some tournaments. I don't know if she could play enough, be consistent enough to be top 10 but she still has the mentality to slice through a couple of draws, even in big tournaments.

I think she should do it. :hearts:

RenaSlam.
Mar 10th, 2011, 06:24 PM
Steffi could honestly be a Top 30 player today, no question about it.

MisterMan
Mar 10th, 2011, 06:49 PM
Groth, Hantuchova, Safarova are all hovering around #30. I seriously doubt Graf could beat any of them in a few months. Actually, im sure she wouldn't. You don't win just on your past merits, her fh is acurate and errorless today, not powerful

PatrickRyan
Mar 10th, 2011, 07:12 PM
Damn Steffi still got game! :hearts:

Whitehead's Boy
Mar 10th, 2011, 08:07 PM
There is absolutely no doubt that Graf would be top 40 with a full schedule. I think the main issues for her would be to stay injury-free and motivated.

I mean, if Date-Krumm (who has never reached a slam final in her career) can challenge top players and beat some of them, it would be absurd to think Graf can't be back in the top 50.

homogenius
Mar 10th, 2011, 08:39 PM
Not even going to go into the rest of her game but do you honestly think the girls today would even know how to deal with a knifed slice backhand?

Hard to say based on that bit(too bad the vid conveniently avoids to show her using her bh...)but an indication though : she retired in 1999 at only 30.Had she thought she'd still have a chance to win big she'd have stayed on tour (and it was more than 10 years ago).Today girls may lack of some things but they don't lack power : they would most probably destroy Steffi's slice.

Patrick345
Mar 10th, 2011, 08:56 PM
Hard to say based on that bit(too bad the vid conveniently avoids to show her using her bh...)but an indication though : she retired in 1999 at only 30.Had she thought she'd still have a chance to win big she'd have stayed on tour (and it was more than 10 years ago).Today girls may lack of some things but they don't lack power : they would most probably destroy Steffi's slice.

What you mean only 30?

She had just won the French Open and made the final of Wimbledon. She beat Hingis, Davenport, Seles, Novotna, Venus in 99. Went to the wire with young Serena. Whooped young Kim, when she was on the verge of breaking through. She was still world no.3, when she retired. If anything she had enough with her injury struggles after 15 years on Tour. It certainly wasnīt because she couldnīt compete anymore.

Vikapower
Mar 10th, 2011, 09:08 PM
:lol: Steffi wouldn't come back as easily as people think... this video brings absolutely no proofs about that... they are training, Andrea isn't even trying that much, this is not in a competition context etc...

Kimmie vs. Steffi Wimbledon roof exhition was closer to a WTA match and Steffi lost almost convincingly... so what proves she'd be top 20-30 !? :lol:

And for the argument of girls willn't be able to deal with her slice is false... with the way that the girl's BH are much more technically accomplished I think it's Steffi that willn't be coping with her opponent's pinning her back more effectively off that side than in the past...

homogenius
Mar 10th, 2011, 09:08 PM
What you mean only 30?

She had just won the French Open and made the final of Wimbledon. She beat Hingis, Davenport, Seles, Novotna, Venus in 99. Went to the wire with young Serena. Whooped young Kim, when she was on the verge of breaking through. She was still world no.3, when she retired. If anything she had enough with her injury struggles after 15 years on Tour. It certainly wasnīt because she couldnīt compete anymore.

She was lucky to win the FO and had no chance against Linds in Wimbledon.She was lucid enough to understand that by staying on tour she'd tarnish her legacy a little cause she'd lose more often than not against the power players.A lot of top players are still on tour at 30+, even when they're declining and getting some ugly losses.Steffi prefered to quit on a high and it was a smart move cause people kept a good image of her (aka not getting her ass kicked by some "journeywomen" like it happens to almost all the top players toward the end of their career).Personally, I still don't think she'd have much success on the actual tour though.

Patrick345
Mar 10th, 2011, 09:24 PM
She was lucky to win the FO and had no chance against Linds in Wimbledon.She was lucid enough to understand that by staying on tour she'd tarnish her legacy a little cause she'd lose more often than not against the power players.A lot of top players are still on tour at 30+, even when they're declining and getting some ugly losses.Steffi prefered to quit on a high and it was a smart move cause people kept a good image of her (aka not getting her ass kicked by some "journeywomen" like it happens to almost all the top players toward the end of their career).Personally, I still don't think she'd have much success on the actual tour though.

Thatīs a little different from saying she retired, because she couldnīt win big anymore like you originally stated. If all players on the Tour, that havenīt achieved what Graf did in 99 alone, had to retire there would be like six players on Tour right now. One with a broken shoulder, one with a bum knee, one recovering from a life-threatening injury, one with a messed up brain, Clijsters and Kuznetsova.

..and she beat the world #1, #2 and #3 to win the French Open. Whatīs lucky about that?

moby
Mar 10th, 2011, 09:26 PM
Well, I knew this already. It was obvious from the Wimbledon exo against Kim 2 years back that Steffi could be top 10 with intense training and a bit of luck. She pushed Kim all around the court there but made too many errors. And look where Kim is now.

To be able to sustain that kind of footwork at 41 is amazing. What extraordinary fitness. Although I can actually hear her panting now. That didn't used to be the case. :lol:

LDVTennis
Mar 10th, 2011, 09:35 PM
She was lucky to win the FO and had no chance against Linds in Wimbledon.She was lucid enough to understand that by staying on tour she'd tarnish her legacy a little cause she'd lose more often than not against the power players.A lot of top players are still on tour at 30+, even when they're declining and getting some ugly losses.Steffi prefered to quit on a high and it was a smart move cause people kept a good image of her (aka not getting her ass kicked by some "journeywomen" like it happens to almost all the top players toward the end of their career).Personally, I still don't think she'd have much success on the actual tour though.

Every individual is entitled to their own small opinion... It will be your undoing.

pov
Mar 10th, 2011, 09:40 PM
Groth, Hantuchova, Safarova are all hovering around #30. I seriously doubt Graf could beat any of them in a few months. Actually, im sure she wouldn't. You don't win just on your past merits, her fh is acurate and errorless today, not powerful
I'm sure Graf would beat Groth and Hantuchova. As for Safarova - it depends on the day. Bear in mind that Graf's FH is more powerful than at least 3 players currently in the top 30. And more accurate than almost all of them. Because there has been more power than accuracy on the tour I think you underestimate how effective a tool placement is.

homogenius
Mar 10th, 2011, 09:41 PM
Thatīs a little different from saying she retired, because she couldnīt win big anymore like you originally stated. If all players on the Tour, that havenīt achieved what Graf did in 99 alone, had to retire there would be like six players on Tour right now. One with a broken shoulder, one with a bum knee, one recovering from a life-threatening injury, one with a messed up brain, Clijsters and Kuznetsova.

..and she beat the world #1, #2 and #3 to win the French Open. Whatīs lucky about that?

She got very lucky in that FO final even she must know it.Anyway, these last two great results at Fo and Wimbly were her swan song and she didn't take the risk to play a couple more years and to face more matured Williams, Kim etc...(and the increasing depth of the tour in general).Even if we're disagreeing on the reasons, she did retire 12 years ago and avoided the battle so I don't see on what basis some are saying she'll have success today and would rules the tour.
The timing and footwork are still good but there's a difference in hitting some balls in a "practice session" (without even having to run)and being able to actually win some matches on the tour imo.

Belmont Lad
Mar 10th, 2011, 09:54 PM
Good lord, must this thread become completely degenerate and filled with "could she compete at age 41 with the tour"? She retired at 30 because her body was too fragile to endure the stress of tour life anymore and she had accomplished everything there was in to achieve in tennis. She plays tennis very seldom and her body is prone to injury if she trains in order to play a "competitive" match of exhibition level. Let's just appreciate the beauty of seeing this legend on the court and still showing some of the sublime qualities that made her a superlative champion. :worship:

Vladiricky
Mar 10th, 2011, 10:17 PM
It was amazing to watch her hit again. :hearts:

mauresmofan
Mar 10th, 2011, 10:23 PM
She got very lucky in that FO final even she must know it.Anyway, these last two great results at Fo and Wimbly were her swan song and she didn't take the risk to play a couple more years and to face more matured Williams, Kim etc...(and the increasing depth of the tour in general).Even if we're disagreeing on the reasons, she did retire 12 years ago and avoided the battle so I don't see on what basis some are saying she'll have success today and would rules the tour.
The timing and footwork are still good but there's a difference in hitting some balls in a "practice session" (without even having to run)and being able to actually win some matches on the tour imo.

She absolutely did not get lucky she played incredible tennis when push came to shove and used every ounce of her experience, skill and fitness to outfox the crafty Hingis and THAT WAS AFTER beating 2 of the worlds top 3 to make that final - if anything Hingis got lucky to not have faced a Williams sister and not have to battle hard to make the final in the first place. Graf earned that final win she did not "get lucky" - at 6-4 *5-4 15-15 Hingis serving for the match Graf played the best constructed point of the match and finished her off with a topspin backhand after a greulling rally, that is not luck that's belief and skill and if you can't see the difference then you don't know what seperates the truely greats from the rest.

Viktymise
Mar 10th, 2011, 10:55 PM
And people were saying Graf could not at least be top 20 with a fully dedicated comeback. If you gave her 6 months of full training, she could give you a good run definitely.

Who cares? Of course she would make a semi-successful return to the tour. Date-Krumm is basically the same age and still a competitive top 100 player. The question is why would she? To get pwned by a load of pushers?

And I highly doubt Graf "barely trains anymore" as most people have alluded to. No way she would look as sharp as that if she was just a casual club player these days. Seriously, some people on this forum hold her as some sort of demi-goddess or something.

Zehri98
Mar 10th, 2011, 11:07 PM
She absolutely did not get lucky she played incredible tennis when push came to shove and used every ounce of her experience, skill and fitness to outfox the crafty Hingis and THAT WAS AFTER beating 2 of the worlds top 3 to make that final - if anything Hingis got lucky to not have faced a Williams sister and not have to battle hard to make the final in the first place. Graf earned that final win she did not "get lucky" - at 6-4 *5-4 15-15 Hingis serving for the match Graf played the best constructed point of the match and finished her off with a topspin backhand after a greulling rally, that is not luck that's belief and skill and if you can't see the difference then you don't know what seperates the truely greats from the rest.

Fantasticly put! Agree with every word. I remember that match clearly and there was no luck involved, just superlative point construction and grit! Hingis may have blown a gasket that day but she played great tennis too but was beaten by the better player.

Great to see her amazing footwork in this video!

Sammo
Mar 10th, 2011, 11:10 PM
Wow good stuff! And what a beautiful tennis court

homogenius
Mar 10th, 2011, 11:31 PM
She absolutely did not get lucky she played incredible tennis when push came to shove and used every ounce of her experience, skill and fitness to outfox the crafty Hingis and THAT WAS AFTER beating 2 of the worlds top 3 to make that final - if anything Hingis got lucky to not have faced a Williams sister and not have to battle hard to make the final in the first place. Graf earned that final win she did not "get lucky" - at 6-4 *5-4 15-15 Hingis serving for the match Graf played the best constructed point of the match and finished her off with a topspin backhand after a greulling rally, that is not luck that's belief and skill and if you can't see the difference then you don't know what seperates the truely greats from the rest.

You can be one of the GOATs and still get some luck here and there.That's what happened with Steffi that day.To me the outcome was decided more by the crowd (even if I disliked Martina's behaviour in her earlier years, it's probably the only time I had the feeling the FO crowd went too far)than by Steffi supposedly raising her game out of nowhere.Anyway, this debate has been made a million time here, I don't think it'd add anything to start it all over again.Let's just agree to disagree.

delicatecutter
Mar 11th, 2011, 12:58 AM
The French crowd was much worse against Serena in 03. At least Martina had done stuff to warrant the ire of the crowd.

I'm still mourning Steffi's retirement nearly 12 years later. :bigcry:

Milito22
Mar 11th, 2011, 01:15 AM
Petrovic :lol:

serenafan08
Mar 11th, 2011, 02:01 AM
:hearts: Lovely. She's still got it! The late preparation on her forehand :lol: She looks terrific; she and Andre both are still in great shape.