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Carotastrophe
Mar 4th, 2011, 01:02 PM
Lucie :hearts: Go for the title now!
Should have been 6-1. 6-1 though.

homogenius
Mar 4th, 2011, 01:03 PM
Marion started to play at 6-1 5-1.A bit late...

BartoliBabes
Mar 4th, 2011, 01:03 PM
Marion played good

Safarova was alot better though, well played

goldenlox
Mar 4th, 2011, 01:04 PM
If Lucie can stay healthy & play like her match at the AO against Zvonareva, she's a top 10 talent

Matej
Mar 4th, 2011, 01:04 PM
Yeah, awesome performance by Lucie. So many fabulous winners! Bartoli certainly wasnīt at her best, though.

Take the title, you can do it.

Iceland
Mar 4th, 2011, 01:05 PM
Marion is just rubbish. She has lost all her firepower and yet has neither the consistency nor the movement to play such a high percentage game.
Disgusting performance in a wide open draw.

Davodus
Mar 4th, 2011, 01:06 PM
Lucie :worship: played so well. Much better than expected, especially against someone she's never beaten.

Matej
Mar 4th, 2011, 01:06 PM
Also, Lucie won 81% of points on her first serve and 58% on her second serve.

BartoliBabes
Mar 4th, 2011, 01:07 PM
Marion is just rubbish. She has lost all her firepower and yet has neither the consistency nor the movement to play such a high percentage game.
Disgusting performance in a wide open draw.

Safarova deserved this one...:rolleyes: i certainly don't think Marion played that badly

homogenius
Mar 4th, 2011, 01:07 PM
If Lucie can stay healthy & play like her match at the AO against Zvonareva, she's a top 10 talent

Safarova has never been consistent enough to be top10.Why would it changed now ?

goldenlox
Mar 4th, 2011, 01:10 PM
She gets injured a lot, but her game is pretty good.

BlueTrees
Mar 4th, 2011, 01:11 PM
Safarova has never been consistent enough to be top10.Why would it changed now ?

What about Stosur and Li? :wavey:

Shine On Silver Moon
Mar 4th, 2011, 01:11 PM
I have been here at the venue since last Monday and yesterday when Bartoli played Ivanova she was already ill - doctor said she had nausea...:sad: Get well soon, Marion!

homogenius
Mar 4th, 2011, 01:12 PM
She gets injured a lot, but her game is pretty good.

She can play a couple of brilliant matches each year, cause some big upsets here and there, but like a lot of other players.She is talented but can't bring it often enough to be a regular top20, let alone top10.

jrm
Mar 4th, 2011, 01:13 PM
you never know what to expect from those two ... Lucie playing badly in the begining of the season, Bartoli looked good lately :shrug:

Matej
Mar 4th, 2011, 01:13 PM
Safarova has never been consistent enough to be top10.Why would it changed now ?

You could say exactly the same thing about Berdych before the 2010 season. You know, sometimes things change.;)

Personally, I donīt think Lucie is a future Top 10 player (although if Radwanska can somehow manage it, then perhaps Lucie could do it as well, since sheīs the better player, IMHO), but top 20 would be nice.

Iceland
Mar 4th, 2011, 01:13 PM
Safarova deserved this one...:rolleyes: i certainly don't think Marion played that badly

Absolutely not. You have certainly never seen Marion played well if you think she was good today!!! It's easy to make Lucie shine if you hit right in her zone.
Seriously, you should watch their Australian Open match in 2009, if you want an element of comparison.
Lucie had 41% of first serve in the first set and Marion took no advantage.

homogenius
Mar 4th, 2011, 01:14 PM
What about Stosur and Li? :wavey:

Overall, I don't think she's as good as these two :shrug:

Shvedbarilescu
Mar 4th, 2011, 01:18 PM
What about Stosur and Li? :wavey:

Bullseye. Absolutely. Safarova in the top 10? I don't know that I see it in the immediate future but I sure as hell wouldn't rule out the possibility.

Ellery
Mar 4th, 2011, 01:19 PM
What about Stosur and Li? :wavey:

Na consistently makes 4R/QF of Slams. Consistency in Slams is already something that separates Na from Lucie :p

Matej
Mar 4th, 2011, 01:22 PM
you never know what to expect from those two ... Lucie playing badly in the begining of the season, Bartoli looked good lately :shrug:

What? Lucie played very well at Australian tournaments (Brisbane and AO) and Fed Cup, then she got injured, lost to "on fire" Dokic at Paris (however, she didnīt play badly in that match), played pretty well at Doha (defeated Radwanska and lost in a very close and tight match to Pennetta who was in a very good form). Her only really bad match this year was the 2:6, 2:6 beatdown that she got from Klara Zakopalova at Dubai.

timafi
Mar 4th, 2011, 01:23 PM
good riddance:lol::lol::lol: :lol::lol: :bigwave: :bigwave::bigwave: :bigwave:

Matej
Mar 4th, 2011, 01:25 PM
Absolutely not. You have certainly never seen Marion played well if you think she was good today!!! It's easy to make Lucie shine if you hit right in her zone.
Seriously, you should watch their Australian Open match in 2009, if you want an element of comparison.
Lucie had 41% of first serve in the first set and Marion took no advantage.

Actually, it was 53 %. And Lucieīs second serve isnīt exactly an easy target for consistently aggressive returns (well, at least if your name is not Serena Williams).

Beny
Mar 4th, 2011, 01:25 PM
I hope she never gets consistent enough to be top 10 or better. I dont like ballbashers dominating the tour. You see the talent in Safarova and Kvitova and once they play to their potential, they will rule WTA. But it looks terrible IMO, hitting as hard as you can every shot and somehow it always goes in.
I prefer a tour dominated by Wozniacki and Clijsters, with top spin shots, movement, smart play.. (plus in-form Stosur, Schiavone, Wickmayer, Serena)

Hian
Mar 4th, 2011, 01:27 PM
Lucie :yeah: She's really good.

Beny
Mar 4th, 2011, 01:31 PM
Overall, I don't think she's as good as these two :shrug:

Her consistency is not as good as that of those two. But when you compare the abilities, both Safarova and Kvitova I think are slightly better. Na Li doesnt have a huge weapon and Samīs backhand compared to Lucieīs or Petraīs is quite bad. They all serve well, return ( Sam :unsure: ) The difference I think is that Li Na and Sam managed to consistently play their best throughout two weeks in a slam (FO2010/AO2011) If Lucie can play her best in New York, she can pretty much win it all

Matej
Mar 4th, 2011, 01:31 PM
I hope she never gets consistent enough to be top 10 or better. I dont like ballbashers dominating the tour. You see the talent in Safarova and Kvitova and once they play to their potential, they will rule WTA. But it looks terrible IMO, hitting as hard as you can every shot and somehow it always goes in.
I prefer a tour dominated by Wozniacki and Clijsters, with top spin shots, movement, smart play.. (plus in-form Stosur, Schiavone, Wickmayer, Serena)

Firstly, Lucieīs forehand has lots of topsin on it, havenīt you noticed yet?

Secondly, Lucie is certainly not hitting as hard as she can every shot (or even most of her shots) in rallies.

Anyway, I am really sick of the misuse of the term "ballbasher". Was i.e. Marat Safin a ballbasher as well?

Corswandt
Mar 4th, 2011, 01:35 PM
Marion is just rubbish. She has lost all her firepower and yet has neither the consistency nor the movement to play such a high percentage game.
Disgusting performance in a wide open draw.

I don't think she's lost power; she was never a pure first strike player. It's the Tour as a whole that got stronger. Bartoli is one of the victims of the overall increase in the WTA's levels of firepower and athleticism.

Bartoli was a big hitter by the standards of 2006 or even 2007, but nowadays she'd never figure in a list of the Tour's top bashers.

I believe she's been in the top 20 without interruptions since mid 2007, but in 2010-2011 she's had few if any truly memorable wins or deep runs in marquee events. She's mostly been succcessful in avoiding serious injuries and consistent in getting 2-3 wins on each upper tier event she enters before losing to Azarenka or Radwanska. When I saw the way she got pwned by Wozniacka in Doha, her lumbering movement, her complete ineptness in the forecourt, I couldn't for the life of me understand how she's still a top 20 player.

Beny
Mar 4th, 2011, 01:37 PM
Firstly, Lucieīs forehand has lots of topsin on it, havenīt you noticed yet?

Secondly, Lucie is certainly not hitting as hard as she can every shot (or even most of her shots) in rallies.

Anyway, I am really sick of the misuse of the term "ballbasher". Was i.e. Marat Safin a ballbasher as well?

Well every shot has some top spin on it (except of Mara Santangeloīs maybe :rolleyes: ) Lucie hits hard, thereīs top spin, but itīs hit and miss. She goes for the winner almost with every shot. Wozniacki plays with top spin so she doesnt commit errors, she constructs the point.

There are no ballbashers on ATP imo (Gabashvili is the closest to brainless WTA ballbashing sometimes), all men play with top spin and can move well and construct the point.

Corswandt
Mar 4th, 2011, 01:40 PM
I hope she never gets consistent enough to be top 10 or better. I dont like ballbashers dominating the tour. You see the talent in Safarova and Kvitova and once they play to their potential, they will rule WTA. But it looks terrible IMO, hitting as hard as you can every shot and somehow it always goes in.
I prefer a tour dominated by Wozniacki and Clijsters, with top spin shots, movement, smart play.. (plus in-form Stosur, Schiavone, Wickmayer, Serena)

:help:

Foals.
Mar 4th, 2011, 01:40 PM
Marion looked a little despondant and didn't play all that well till the second set.
Lucie on the other hand was mostly terrific, the small choke understandable considering this would be a first win over Marion.
Lucie was suprisingly quite patient in rallies and waited for the right ball to hit the winner off today, plus even some good returning. :eek:
Good to see! :drool:

homogenius
Mar 4th, 2011, 01:41 PM
Her consistency is not as good as that of those two. But when you compare the abilities, both Safarova and Kvitova I think are slightly better. Na Li doesnt have a huge weapon and Samīs backhand compared to Lucieīs or Petraīs is quite bad. They all serve well, return ( Sam :unsure: ) The difference I think is that Li Na and Sam managed to consistently play their best throughout two weeks in a slam (FO2010/AO2011) If Lucie can play her best in New York, she can pretty much win it all

I'm not sure about that.Sammy has a better serve and fh than the other 3, Na has better movement, Kvitova seems to have the best "matches mentality" of them all etc...
Safarova is just too weak mentally (even Sammy is tougher than her, that's saying something)and for one good run she can suck for months.I think her highest ranking was #22, she only reached the 4th round of a slam twice (only 1 QF in her whole career)...When on she looks scary but most of the time she's just not good enough.

Beny
Mar 4th, 2011, 01:51 PM
Well, Samīs FH and serve are good enough to win her matches, FH is probably top 3 best of all currently. Her BH has improved, if only she was more dangerous on that return.
I think Safarova will follow Kvitovaīs path one day. With some consistency she will be dangerous.
Safarova sucks a lot, but you also dont see a wta player beat Vaidisova, Kuznetsova, Henin in two sets in three days when they all were close to their best.

Of those four, it should be 1.Sam (wishful thinking, I really like her but if they all play their best Im afraid Kvitova at least will be better), 2.Kvitova, 3.Safarova, 4.Na Li if they are consistent

Tezuka.
Mar 4th, 2011, 02:03 PM
If Lucie can stay healthy & play like her match at the AO against Zvonareva, she's a top 10 talent

Agree with this.

homogenius
Mar 4th, 2011, 02:05 PM
Well, Samīs FH and serve are good enough to win her matches, FH is probably top 3 best of all currently. Her BH has improved, if only she was more dangerous on that return.
I think Safarova will follow Kvitovaīs path one day. With some consistency she will be dangerous.
Safarova sucks a lot, but you also dont see a wta player beat Vaidisova, Kuznetsova, Henin in two sets in three days when they all were close to their best.

Of those four, it should be 1.Sam (wishful thinking, I really like her but if they all play their best Im afraid Kvitova at least will be better), 2.Kvitova, 3.Safarova, 4.Na Li if they are consistent

I think Kvitova will achieve much more than Lucie but other than that I pretty much agree except for Na.She started late on tour and had horrible luck with injuries.I think she underachieved and is a much more solid player than Lucie.

Vincey!
Mar 4th, 2011, 02:06 PM
Lucie!! great win :hearts:

Certinfy
Mar 4th, 2011, 03:52 PM
Now this is awesome :drool:

Smitten
Mar 4th, 2011, 04:03 PM
Bartoli never had overwhelming power. She achieved the illusion of superior power by taking the ball early with exceptional, and sometimes underrated, hands.

Besides, the mechanics of her 2HFH allow almost no depth of shot at times.

Patrick345
Mar 4th, 2011, 04:58 PM
What about Stosur and Li? :wavey:

I guess Na Li is kind of consistent, starts the year strongly at the AO and more or less sucks for the rest of the year. :tape:

Btw great result for Dinara. :angel:

Sally Todd
Mar 4th, 2011, 05:42 PM
Lucie :worship: played so well. Much better than expected, especially against someone she's never beaten.

Yes! So happy about this result!

Just yesterday I wrote that I wish Lucie had more straight-set wins. Wish granted.

But the best thing is that if the match went three sets Lucie has better resolve than a couple years back, when Marion would always wear her down.

Pasta-Na
Mar 4th, 2011, 05:42 PM
I guess Na Li is kind of consistent, starts the year strongly at the AO and more or less sucks for the rest of the year. :tape:

Btw great result for Dinara. :angel:

she played okay on clay. :p and she can go deep in Wimbledon if she has a kind draw. :p

Ferg
Mar 4th, 2011, 06:01 PM
Dont know why Marion played here in the first place :help:

rucolo
Mar 4th, 2011, 06:25 PM
:speakles: wow, great win, Lucie!:bounce::yeah:

Marion :hug:

If Lucie can stay healthy & play like her match at the AO against Zvonareva, she's a top 10 talent

If only Lucie was consistent... I bet she will be a mess against Groth in SF.:(

Hian
Mar 4th, 2011, 06:30 PM
Good win for Lucie :yeah:
Marion :hug: I suppose you lost in order to be sure you will win IW :p

penkku
Mar 4th, 2011, 06:34 PM
Lucka :D win the whole thing now ;)

Steadyniacki
Mar 4th, 2011, 08:33 PM
Marion needs to learn not to hit the ball short down the middle half the time.

Lucie did play great, so all credit to her :)
Rest up for IW

FORZA SARITA
Mar 4th, 2011, 08:48 PM
She can play a couple of brilliant matches each year, cause some big upsets here and there, but like a lot of other players.She is talented but can't bring it often enough to be a regular top20, let alone top10.

it's not like she's 35 or older :rolleyes:

smarties
Mar 4th, 2011, 09:31 PM
Just hopeLucie's knees are gonna hold up. When she's healthy,she's a treat to watch

Spiritof42
Mar 4th, 2011, 10:29 PM
Lucie :yeah: Was dominant for most of the match (even on ROS)...

cn ireland
Mar 4th, 2011, 10:42 PM
Marion:sad: