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Navratil
Mar 4th, 2011, 06:47 AM
The two best Czech players of the last years, both Top Ten potential, both lefties with a huge forehand, two-handed-backhand and a tricky serve from the ad-side.

Safaraova is just 3 years older and had her breakthrough year in 2007. She had some ups and downs since then but seems to be on her way up in 2011 just like Kvitova.

Kvitova is just outside the Top Ten as # 14 and most likely to break into Top Ten within the next weeks.

What about Safarova? She peaked at # 22, seems to be a great potential just like Kvitova when she reached the quarters at the Aussie Open in 07.

What's the difference between the two of them?

Navratil
Mar 4th, 2011, 06:50 AM
Is Safarova's boyfriend Tomas Berdych bad for her?

- Is her carreer a sacrifice for his?
- Or is it the other way round and she can benefit from their relationship?

Does anyone know: Are they working together sometimes? Just like Kim and Lleyton did? ;)

cowking
Mar 4th, 2011, 06:56 AM
I think Kvitova overall has a bigger game and a better mentality, but yeah their games are very similar.

A-Bond
Mar 4th, 2011, 07:14 AM
I think it's not that obvious but Petra has the perfect Tennis mentality. She believes in herself and I think when she's on the court she doesn't think that much, she's just playing Tennis while Lucie is a huge mental wrack.

duhcity
Mar 4th, 2011, 07:16 AM
I think Petra has a more lethal BH, but that lefty FH on both of them is great

Sp!ffy
Mar 4th, 2011, 07:18 AM
I think Petra has more firepower on both sides, serve, etc..

Payam
Mar 4th, 2011, 07:28 AM
I think it's not that obvious but Petra has the perfect Tennis mentality. She believes in herself and I think when she's on the court she doesn't think that much, she's just playing Tennis while Lucie is a huge mental wrack.

I wouldn't call Lucie a huge mental wreck, but apart from that I totally agree with A-Bond. And I think this is the main reason that we have seen more consistency from Petra so far. Her height could be a big help too.

I am not sure whether being Berdych's GF helps Lucie or not, but I read somewhere all three of them (Perta, Lucie and Berdych) have been practicing in the same gym/court etc. So maybe it is not that bad for her.

eDonkey
Mar 4th, 2011, 07:31 AM
I'm not sure Safarova ever had top 10 potential.She's still one of the most brainless ballbashers on tour. :help:

switz
Mar 4th, 2011, 08:06 AM
Kvitova just has the better all round game. When everything is going right Safarova is pretty much unstoppable but her game has so little margin she can rarely maintain her level.

I would say there is a level of contentment with both Safarova and Berdych that probably detracts from what they could achieve on court to a certain extent. That's not a bad as they are obviously happy and very much in love.

gorre
Mar 4th, 2011, 08:14 AM
obv Petra has a much better serve than Lucie...This is the biggest difference between them.

Beny
Mar 4th, 2011, 08:16 AM
There´s not much difference. But Kvitova does a lot of things a little better than Safarova. Safarova rushes too much. She goes for her shots from the first one on, Kvitova plays a lot smarter, has a bigger serve and better return. Lucie is an awful returner, just hit and miss, she can hit a winner off return then smack the next three into the net or wide.

Mentally Kvitova is better as well

Miss Atomic Bomb
Mar 4th, 2011, 08:35 AM
Safarova is slightly more explosive off the ground, but Kvitova has a better head, a bit more patience and better concentration during important points.

Monica_Rules
Mar 4th, 2011, 08:38 AM
I think that Kvitova has more control over her power.

Safarova can be very hit and miss, when she's on she's very on, when she's off she can be very off.

Matej
Mar 4th, 2011, 08:41 AM
Petra has a better serve (especially the first serve), far better and more reliable return and backhand, far better one-handed slice backhand and better volleys. Also, Petra´s defense is somewhat better than Lucie´s one and she has better ability to hit strokes on the run in rallies.

The other important difference is that Lucie is very prone to injuries. Finally, Petra is mentally stronger than Lucie.

Setsuna.
Mar 4th, 2011, 08:57 AM
Kvitova = Del Potro.:cool:
Safarova = Gulbis.:shrug:

Libertango
Mar 4th, 2011, 09:10 AM
I think the biggest difference is in their heads.

Six Feet Under
Mar 4th, 2011, 09:13 AM
Kvitova has a bit more firepower.
I'd say they're equal on mental strength

Juju Nostalgique
Mar 4th, 2011, 09:18 AM
Petra has the balls to compete at the highest level while Safarova is just a doll with some good results... :weirdo: :tape:

Corswandt
Mar 4th, 2011, 09:43 AM
We've had this discussion here before:

http://www.tennisforum.com/showpost.php?p=19041973&postcount=169

http://www.tennisforum.com/showpost.php?p=19042176&postcount=173

http://www.tennisforum.com/showpost.php?p=19042183&postcount=174

Petra has a better serve (especially the first serve), far better and more reliable return and backhand, far better one-handed slice backhand and better volleys. Also, Petra´s defense is somewhat better than Lucie´s one and she has better ability to hit strokes on the run in rallies.

The other important difference is that Lucie is very prone to injuries. Finally, Petra is mentally stronger than Lucie.

Agree with nearly all of this save for the part about their serves. Kvitova's serve isn't all that in terms of raw pace (usually around 160-165 km/h), but it's loaded with sidespin and quite difficult to return on faster surfaces. On slower surfaces (clay, velcro hardcourts) it's nearly useless. Safarova's serve is bigger, and she uses it very well to set up quick 1-2 points; Safarova isn't a flat out ace server, but her % of 1st serve points won even on outdoor hardcourts can reach ATP-ish levels (too bad about her return game).

The main advantages Kvitova enjoys over Safarova are ROS (when it clicks; when it doesn't, it can be as bad as Lucie's), an innate ability to play her best when it really matters, and having enough versatility/touch to deal with junk when required. Also the ability to hit on the run (on low to midpaced rallies) Matej mentions above.

dadouch
Mar 4th, 2011, 09:48 AM
Lucie is more explosive and her shotmaking is the very best on the tour. I think she also improved her serve considerably and mentally is much stronger then she used to be. Unfortunately her return of serve remains abysmall. I've seen so many of her matches where she dominates most of the time, but the play doesn't translate into the final result because of the key games she loses because of her return.
Petra is a great shotmaker too, but what really sets her apart from Lucie is her powerful return. I don't think that Petra is so strong mentally as she appears to be. Her complete mental collapse against Vera at AO is not a good sign.

Kworb
Mar 4th, 2011, 10:01 AM
There is no difference, Kvitova just lucked out with that Wimbledon SF (her ONLY decent tournament in the whole of 2010), and her 2011 so far is similar to Safarova's 2007. Kvitova will have a similar career, mostly R1-R3 losses with an occasional peak performance.

thegreendestiny
Mar 4th, 2011, 10:03 AM
Petra bagelled Caro :shrug:

And Petra's eyes are way scarier. :scared:

Matej
Mar 4th, 2011, 10:04 AM
Lucie is more explosive and her shotmaking is the very best on the tour. I think she also improved her serve considerably and mentally is much stronger then she used to be. Unfortunately her return of serve remains abysmall. I've seen so many of her matches where she dominates most of the time, but the play doesn't translate into the final result because of the key games she loses because of her return.
Petra is a great shotmaker too, but what really sets her apart from Lucie is her powerful return. I don't think that Petra is so strong mentally as she appears to be. Her complete mental collapse against Vera at AO is not a good sign.

How exactly do you measure "explosiveness"? Aren´t these "blistering backhands" of Petra explosive?:)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrIKontZTMQ

By the way, I don´t think it was "mental collapse" against Vera at AO. Just a bad day in the office and Petra said after the match that she felt really tired etc.

Matej
Mar 4th, 2011, 10:09 AM
There is no difference, Kvitova just lucked out with that Wimbledon SF (her ONLY decent tournament in the whole of 2010), and her 2011 so far is similar to Safarova's 2007. Kvitova will have a similar career, mostly R1-R3 losses with an occasional peak performance.

I´d bet that Petra will prove you wrong, if she stays healthy.

What exactly do you mean by "lucked out with that Wimbledon SF" - does it refer to the match against Kanepi in quarterfinals? Other than that, I don´t know what you mean.

Corswandt
Mar 4th, 2011, 10:18 AM
Kvitova's serve isn't all that in terms of raw pace (usually around 160-165 km/h)

+ it's unreliable. Her 1st serve can go completely away for whole games, sometimes for nearly a whole set.

Renalicious
Mar 4th, 2011, 10:24 AM
Safarova hits harder, has a more deadly FH... but a slightly weaker backhand and a huge disadvantage in the mental department.

Still, when Lucie gets it together... she's almost unplayable. (Start of 2007 was really good for her. It went downhill from there.)

Petra, however has room to improve and could very well by much better than Lucie in all departments in a couple of years.

Matej
Mar 4th, 2011, 10:26 AM
+ it's unreliable. Her 1st serve can go completely away for whole games, sometimes for nearly a whole set.

Or even for almost a whole match ... as happened in the match against Zvonareva.:rolleyes:

However, she said it´s one of main areas where she wants to substantially improve her game and so let´s see if she will manage to make her serve more consistent and relieable.

Technical question:
How does one embedd youtube videos on this board?

Young 8
Mar 4th, 2011, 10:28 AM
http://www.ipmc.cnrs.fr/~duprat/neurophysiology/images/brain2.jpg

Young 8
Mar 4th, 2011, 10:30 AM
Safarova hits harder,

No

Still, when Lucie gets it together... she's almost unplayable.


And no

Caralenko
Mar 4th, 2011, 10:30 AM
How exactly do you measure "explosiveness"? Aren´t these "blistering backhands" of Petra explosive?:)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrIKontZTMQ

By the way, I don´t think it was "mental collapse" against Vera at AO. Just a bad day in the office and Petra said after the match that she felt really tired etc.

First of all, explosiveness is a consistent measurement. Not just a couple of shots in a highlight reel.
It's funny that in the Safina thread you were saying "a couple of highlights doesn't prove anything" and there you are doing the exact opposite.

Also, the incredibly fast Paris Indoors surface totally works to Petra's advantage.

Matej
Mar 4th, 2011, 10:49 AM
First of all, explosiveness is a consistent measurement. Not just a couple of shots in a highlight reel.
It's funny that in the Safina thread you were saying "a couple of highlights doesn't prove anything" and there you are doing the exact opposite.

Also, the incredibly fast Paris Indoors surface totally works to Petra's advantage.

Did I claim the the short highlights are conclusive proof of Petra´s "explosiveness"? Not at all. It was just an example, accompanied by a question.

Hian
Mar 4th, 2011, 11:31 AM
Lucie is better :yeah:

BlueTrees
Mar 4th, 2011, 12:12 PM
They have similar games and potential but at the moment Kvitova is more confident. :shrug: Kvitova has surpassed Safarova though, that's for sure...

Bronx19
Mar 4th, 2011, 12:17 PM
One is slightly less bipolar than the other.

Matej
Mar 4th, 2011, 12:38 PM
Lucie is better :yeah:
Can you offer any argument to support your conclusion?:)

Anyway, right now they are not that far away from each other in terms of tennis abilities. However, I expect Kvitova to improve her game much more than Lucie in the future.

n1_and_uh_noone
Mar 4th, 2011, 01:47 PM
Kvitova = Del Potro.:cool:
Safarova = Gulbis.:shrug:

Pretty apt comparisons :yeah:

But yeah, Kvitova has the better serve by far, can slice and volley, and hits a bigger ball overall.

Vikapower
Mar 4th, 2011, 01:53 PM
Kvitova is the better player because she has a good mental game and self-belief...

Tennis wise she's very good but it's easy to get stuck in her flashy shots... Petra's shot aren't heavy and the manner she hits the ball flat gives you the impression that she has tremendous power...

Lucie's balls when on IMO are both very heavy and fast a deadly combination... but this is close...

Kvitova = Del Potro. :cool:
Safarova = Gulbis. :shrug:

:lol: This is a very close call... to me tennis wise Petra is both Del po and Gulbis but I think she's closer to Ernest in terms of power and variety...

Del po is pretty one-dimensional consistent baseline striker... Petra has shown that she can play offensive also by charging the net, droppers... her A-game is so big and she has such self-belief that she doesn't really need to vary that much...

LoLex
Mar 4th, 2011, 02:00 PM
Mental strength.

nevetssllim
Mar 4th, 2011, 02:05 PM
It's definitely the bark. ;)

Monzanator
Mar 4th, 2011, 02:16 PM
Kvitova is stronger mentally :)

Yellow Moon
Mar 4th, 2011, 02:26 PM
It's definitely the bark. ;)
like in the three brain meninges: dura mater, arachnoid mater, and the pia mater ?
Could well be :p!

Hian
Mar 4th, 2011, 02:26 PM
Can you offer any argument to support your conclusion?:)

Anyway, right now they are not that far away from each other in terms of tennis abilities. However, I expect Kvitova to improve her game much more than Lucie in the future.

I saw both playing, and Lucie has really a better game: better to watch, first of all, and her shots are by far better than Kvitova's ones.
Lucie is really a great player, Kvitova is just a journeywoman who has really nothing to give to WTA. :)

Daruma.
Mar 4th, 2011, 02:29 PM
I saw both playing, and Lucie has really a better game: better to watch, first of all, and her shots are by far better than Kvitova's ones.
Lucie is really a great player, Kvitova is just a journeywoman who has really nothing to give to WTA. :)

lol.

Hian
Mar 4th, 2011, 02:31 PM
lol.

Opinions ;) No one says you have to agree, but respect :)

Matt01
Mar 4th, 2011, 02:37 PM
I saw both playing, and Lucie has really a better game: better to watch, first of all, and her shots are by far better than Kvitova's ones.
Lucie is really a great player, Kvitova is just a journeywoman who has really nothing to give to WTA. :)


She has more to give to WTA than you have to give to this forum, that's for sure :lol:

Hian
Mar 4th, 2011, 02:38 PM
She has more to give to WTA than you have to give to this forum, that's for sure :lol:

Get a life :wavey:

Smitten
Mar 4th, 2011, 02:55 PM
Safarova has a dismal return of serve, lack of any sort of variety, struggles with high(junk) balls especially to her BH, mentally weaker.

Lucie's serve is better than Petra's. She gets a lot of spin on it to any corner of the box and excellent placement. It helps set up a lot of 1-2 winners.

Mr.Sharapova
Mar 4th, 2011, 03:35 PM
Petra has some sort of belief in her self, that she can beat anyone when she's on court.

Look at her against Azarenka and Wozniacki at Wimbledon last year. She looked so determined to beat the Brainless ballbasher and the pusher and she did it thrashing both of them :).

Lucie never had the mentality to be top 10. I think Petra has the mentality to be a top 5 player :)

Mr.Sharapova
Mar 4th, 2011, 03:37 PM
Kvitova is the better player because she has a good mental game and self-belief...

Tennis wise she's very good but it's easy to get stuck in her flashy shots... Petra's shot aren't heavy and the manner she hits the ball flat gives you the impression that she has tremendous power...

Lucie's balls when on IMO are both very heavy and fast a deadly combination... but this is close...



:lol: This is a very close call... to me tennis wise Petra is both Del po and Gulbis but I think she's closer to Ernest in terms of power and variety...

Del po is pretty one-dimensional consistent baseline striker... Petra has shown that she can play offensive also by charging the net, droppers... her A-game is so big and she has such self-belief that she doesn't really need to vary that much...

Trust me, you cannot beat Roger in a slam final with just being a one-dimensional consistent baseline striker. Delpotro is much more than that :)

iPatty
Mar 4th, 2011, 03:44 PM
Opinions ;) No one says you have to agree, but respect :)

No, you're just retarded.

Sally Todd
Mar 4th, 2011, 04:23 PM
With Venus AWOL, Lucie and Petra are my two favorite players on tour, and definitely my favorites to watch when their games are working.

To me, Lucie's game is more dynamic visually. But technically she has gaps that Petra doesn't, and physically, Petra is a natural jock while Lucie has chronically dealt with a thigh strain and her physique isn't as powerful. As others have pointed out, her return of serve is her greatest liability. The funny thing is that at her best, it's a punishing weapon. But Petra's is much much more consistent.

While Safarova has a rep for being wildly inconsistent I can honestly say there is also some more steadiness to her game in the last year and especially 2011. She has more resolve to win matches even when her game goes off (hence so many three-setters). And she's made improvements, albeit small, to problematic parts of her game under her new coach.

I think Petra's rapid ascent and strong results (especially at majors) can be inspiring to Lucie and I'm hopeful about both of them as the year
progresses.

Petra is an athlete. In a way that reminds of the best players on the WTA tour before the tour went down the drain. She's a big girl capable of playing effortless big tennis in an era when there are so many pseudo-big babes with woefully faulty games and mindsets. For that reason alone I hope she continues to improve instead of crashes and burns.

Vikapower
Mar 4th, 2011, 04:41 PM
Trust me, you cannot beat Roger in a slam final with just being a one-dimensional consistent baseline striker. Delpotro is much more than that :)

:lol: I don't discredit Del po, ok, one-dimensional was of too much and pejorative...

...but to say that Petra is similar or not to Del po and Gulbis you must operate a comparision between their games... and indeed Del po in comparision is more of a baseline player... Gulbis has better variety and net skills... he's more forward minded...

That's why I think Petra is a little mix of the 2... anyways if she gets inspired by the Argentine's consistent big hitting generating as less UEs as him in doing so she'll be huge... but she'll need to up her footwork drastically...

delicatecutter
Mar 4th, 2011, 04:52 PM
Safarova is beautiful. :hearts:

Kvitova's game is beautiful.

Mr.Sharapova
Mar 4th, 2011, 06:54 PM
:lol: I don't discredit Del po, ok, one-dimensional was of too much and pejorative...

...but to say that Petra is similar or not to Del po and Gulbis you must operate a comparision between their games... and indeed Del po in comparision is more of a baseline player... Gulbis has better variety and net skills... he's more forward minded...

That's why I think Petra is a little mix of the 2... anyways if she gets inspired by the Argentine's consistent big hitting generating as less UEs as him in doing so she'll be huge... but she'll need to up her footwork drastically...

I think tennis lacks a player who hits the ball hard and produces so less UE! Del Potro at its prime and I think he's getting there day by day, produced less UE while hitting the ball hard all the time, and I think thats what Petra did in Brisbane,AO and Paris :shrug:.

Vikapower
Mar 4th, 2011, 08:32 PM
I think tennis lacks a player who hits the ball hard and produces so less UE! Del Potro at its prime and I think he's getting there day by day, produced less UE while hitting the ball hard all the time, and I think thats what Petra did in Brisbane,AO and Paris :shrug:.

Yes... but I'm not sure the actual tour wants to handle a WTA Del po... :lol: hitting persistently big with few UEs is her challenge... it's possible but she needs better control, needs to better know the limits.

Personally I need confirmation of Brisbane, AO and Paris in the next following events... IW and/or Miami to (definitively) confirm her as a top player.

...and someone who normally does pretty well in majors in terms of level play shouldn't normally be struggling that much in mandatories who are as important as the preceding... until then she's still so-so...

I think she'll definitively have a better career than Lucie... unless Lucie suddenly wakes up herself somehow...

shoparound
Mar 4th, 2011, 11:23 PM
It's definitely the bark. ;)

For SURE

Sally Todd
Mar 5th, 2011, 01:38 AM
Personally I need confirmation of Brisbane, AO and Paris in the next following events... IW and/or Miami to (definitively) confirm her as a top player.



I'm not expecting much from Petra (or Lucie) at IW, where the conditions mean the ball has a tendency to fly, plus it's frequently windy. A good performance there would be a bonus.

Miami will be revealing regarding Petra and her ability to perform througout a year.

Petkorazzi
Mar 5th, 2011, 01:58 AM
To me, Kvitova is better. Safarova has the serve and forehand, but Kvitova beats her in ROS, variety & most importantly, mental strength. I don't remember Safarova ever winning a match coming back from a deficit in a final set or something, whereas Kvitova always seems to be winning those tight matches.

Sammo
Mar 5th, 2011, 02:04 AM
They have similar games but Kvitova plays much bigger. However Safarova has much better angles.

Vikapower
Mar 5th, 2011, 02:21 AM
I'm not expecting much from Petra (or Lucie) at IW, where the conditions mean the ball has a tendency to fly, plus it's frequently windy. A good performance there would be a bonus.

Miami will be revealing regarding Petra and her ability to perform througout a year.

Mmm... yes that's true for the IW conditions... they're quite unfavorable for these kinds of plays but it's the only event where the WS aren't so it kinds of lessens the field considerably...

They say Miami is the 5th major, she performs well in slams so with her seemingly new found consistency she should normally have a performance in Miami...

Payam
Mar 5th, 2011, 03:12 AM
I saw both playing, and Lucie has really a better game: better to watch, first of all, and her shots are by far better than Kvitova's ones.
Lucie is really a great player, Kvitova is just a journeywoman who has really nothing to give to WTA. :)

As you had mentioned in one of your posts, we don't necessarily need with each other, and especially in sports there are very very few things which could be said with certainty. Thus many of my predictions could be wrong too, but there is only one thing which I am absolutely sure about and it is Petra's ascend to the top 5. She has already shown the promise of being a great player and if injury doesn't make her stop, you would see how much she has to give to the WTA.

Once again, you don't need to agree with this, but a keep a mental note of that, so that when it happens in the future, you don't get surprised.

LeonHart
Mar 5th, 2011, 03:17 AM
Lucie = headcase. Main difference right there.

BlueTrees
Mar 5th, 2011, 03:41 AM
To me, Kvitova is better. Safarova has the serve and forehand, but Kvitova beats her in ROS, variety & most importantly, mental strength. I don't remember Safarova ever winning a match coming back from a deficit in a final set or something, whereas Kvitova always seems to be winning those tight matches.

She came back from *2-5 match point down in the third set against Peer in Brisbane this year to win 7-5. :shrug:

Comebacksova
Mar 5th, 2011, 02:10 PM
Vaidisova>>>>>>>>>>Kvitova>>>>>Safarova :shrug:

Matej
Mar 5th, 2011, 09:23 PM
Vaidisova>>>>>>>>>>Kvitova>>>>>Safarova :shrug:
Since Vaidisova retired for good and her sad results in 2008 and 2009 indicate that she never had the mental skills to have successful tennis carreer, I respectfully disagree.:devil:

The Dawntreader
Mar 5th, 2011, 09:31 PM
Much, much better competitor. And Kvitova has seemingly learnt more on tour in that respect in the last year, than Safarova has her whole career.

Safarova has better timing than Kvitova (much better contact point usually), and can break up a rally more immediately, but can make the most crass errors imaginable, due to her lacklustre returning and ungainly footwork. Kvitova for all her flaws seems to be making a concerted effort to clean up her game in recent months.

Matej
Mar 5th, 2011, 10:27 PM
Much, much better competitor. And Kvitova has seemingly learnt more on tour in that respect in the last year, than Safarova has her whole career.

Safarova has better timing than Kvitova (much better contact point usually), and can break up a rally more immediately, but can make the most crass errors imaginable, due to her lacklustre returning and ungainly footwork. Kvitova for all her flaws seems to be making a concerted effort to clean up her game in recent months.

No quite sure whether I can agree with that. Kvitova seems to have very good timing and natural wingspan both from her backhand and forehand side.

As for your claim that Lucie "can break up a rally more immediately", I´m not sure about that either. I´d even say that against a certain kind of players who have powerful groundstrokes from both sides and great depth on their shots (i.e. Zakopalova at AO, Dokic at Paris) Lucie appears to be virtually unable to break up any iniatially neutral rally at all.

Vikapower
Mar 5th, 2011, 10:56 PM
^^ The main reason why Kvitova has such easy power is because of her wingspand... that's the main thing she shares with Del po to enforce the comparision and I've read many specialized articles on it's positive effects...

Timing to me is having the ability to put both rotational force and weight transfer into the ideal contact point (Pam Shriver in USO 2009 who gave that definition I like)... and which I looked for confirmation on Kimmie and Davenport... the 2 most perfect timings you'll ever get to see from a girl... and they're both recognized as so.

Petra has very good rotation into her shots but I don't have the impression that she transfers that much weight into her CPs like Lucie... some players have a good control over that and sometimes it's not easily perceptible...

I'm new to Kvitova's technique... I hate watching lefties hit in slow mo's or close cam action but I'm interested to know more about that department of her game...

Corswandt
Mar 6th, 2011, 10:43 AM
^^ The main reason why Kvitova has such easy power is because of her wingspand...

On her FH maybe, since she "uncoils" into the ball and really puts her weight behind the shot through a wide swing. And even then way she hits such flat, penetrating FHs is due to her grip more than anything else.

Her BH on the other hand is extremely compact.

Young 8
Mar 6th, 2011, 02:27 PM
Safarova showed her true colors today

BlueTrees
Mar 6th, 2011, 02:34 PM
I think tonight's match pretty much sums it up. :o

Vikapower
Mar 6th, 2011, 02:49 PM
^^ Yes. :lol:

On her FH maybe, since she "uncoils" into the ball and really puts her weight behind the shot through a wide swing. And even then way she hits such flat, penetrating FHs is due to her grip more than anything else.

Her BH on the other hand is extremely compact.

Ok... I observed that on her BH... what grip does she use ? I guess it's eastern but as the players have different variances on that side... some make it close to continental some others to semi-w.

smarties
Mar 6th, 2011, 09:18 PM
On her FH maybe, since she "uncoils" into the ball and really puts her weight behind the shot through a wide swing. And even then way she hits such flat, penetrating FHs is due to her grip more than anything else.

Her BH on the other hand is extremely compact.

Is she using an eastern grip on her forehand or a very light western?

justineheninfan
Mar 6th, 2011, 10:11 PM
Kvitova is just a better version of Safarova. More powerful serve, more powerful groundies, moves a bit better, makes a few less errors, is a bit less of a headcase.

stangtennis
Mar 6th, 2011, 10:31 PM
And Petra's eyes are way scarier. :scared:
Nobody has eyes scarier than Safarova's.

bandabou
Mar 7th, 2011, 06:27 AM
Hmmm...Safarova has too much Berdych-itis going on. Needs to get a lil bit meanier.

Navratil
Mar 7th, 2011, 08:04 AM
No doubt that Kvitoa is mentally stronger: Safarova should have won the Kuala Lumpur final against Dokic after a 6:2 5:3 lead, 2 matchpoints in the tie-breaker and a 3:1 lead in the 3rd set...

Corswandt
Mar 7th, 2011, 10:50 AM
Is she using an eastern grip on her forehand or a very light western?

Eastern.

TS
Mar 7th, 2011, 10:55 AM
Nobody has eyes scarier than Safarova's.

Lucie has gorgeous eyes

Navratil
May 9th, 2011, 06:36 AM
Kvitova is now stepping into another league. Unbelievable she's Top Ten already!

Claycourter
May 9th, 2011, 06:38 AM
Better serve, better groundstrokes, stronger mentally. Champion's mentality to give her best even on a surface she shouldn't be good on.

bandabou
May 9th, 2011, 07:09 AM
Champion's mentality. That's it really.

Wert.
May 9th, 2011, 07:14 AM
Lucie has gorgeous eyes
This :inlove:

Wert.
May 9th, 2011, 07:15 AM
Better serve, better groundstrokes, stronger mentally. Champion's mentality to give her best even on a surface she shouldn't be good on.

And this.Thats the most important...
Lucie-Go on! :inlove:

Corswandt
May 9th, 2011, 11:28 AM
Lucie has gorgeous eyes

She does. :hearts:

Turnip
Jul 2nd, 2011, 02:41 PM
Some funny posts in this thread. The answer: Wimbledon championship!!

eck
Jul 2nd, 2011, 03:17 PM
Better serve, better groundstrokes, stronger mentally. Champion's mentality to give her best even on a surface she shouldn't be good on.

Claycourter :cheer:

Si_Hi
Jul 2nd, 2011, 03:23 PM
There is no difference, Kvitova just lucked out with that Wimbledon SF (her ONLY decent tournament in the whole of 2010), and her 2011 so far is similar to Safarova's 2007. Kvitova will have a similar career, mostly R1-R3 losses with an occasional peak performance.

:eek::eek::eek::eek:

BlueTrees
Jul 2nd, 2011, 03:25 PM
Safarova had potential to win Grand Slams. She just sucks mentally. That's about it.

Wert.
Jul 2nd, 2011, 03:27 PM
:facepalm:

Lucie's shoots and serve are great...Its all about mentallity.Lucie's problem are:

1. choking
2. Smashes into net :help:

ZAK
Jul 2nd, 2011, 03:28 PM
There is no difference, Kvitova just lucked out with that Wimbledon SF (her ONLY decent tournament in the whole of 2010), and her 2011 so far is similar to Safarova's 2007. Kvitova will have a similar career, mostly R1-R3 losses with an occasional peak performance.

love it

Young 8
Jul 2nd, 2011, 03:34 PM
http://oi54.tinypic.com/eq7a89.jpg

There is no difference, Kvitova just lucked out with that Wimbledon SF (her ONLY decent tournament in the whole of 2010), and her 2011 so far is similar to Safarova's 2007. Kvitova will have a similar career, mostly R1-R3 losses with an occasional peak performance.

Lucie is better :yeah:

I saw both playing, and Lucie has really a better game: better to watch, first of all, and her shots are by far better than Kvitova's ones.
Lucie is really a great player, Kvitova is just a journeywoman who has really nothing to give to WTA. :)

Vaidisova>>>>>>>>>>Kvitova>>>>>Safarova :shrug:

Navratil
Jul 2nd, 2011, 03:39 PM
love it

Yep. Time has changed... ;)

DeliriousPotato
Jul 2nd, 2011, 04:02 PM
Worst posts belonging to Hian,as would be expected :oh:

Excelscior
Jul 15th, 2011, 12:58 AM
As you had mentioned in one of your posts, we don't necessarily need with each other, and especially in sports there are very very few things which could be said with certainty. Thus many of my predictions could be wrong too, but there is only one thing which I am absolutely sure about and it is Petra's ascend to the top 5. She has already shown the promise of being a great player and if injury doesn't make her stop, you would see how much she has to give to the WTA.

Once again, you don't need to agree with this, but a keep a mental note of that, so that when it happens in the future, you don't get surprised.

Great Call Payam (and others). Bravo.

I just unwittingly stumbled onto this thread looking up something else about Petra on the internet. It was amusing/informative reading the various evaluations and predictions made earlier this year here. Some of yall, need to hide now! Lol.

Kudos/Bravo to you! :) :) ;) :p

Are these people you were talking to, Hian, Kworb, still on the site? They (and others) made absolute fools of themselves! Lol.

Kworb
Jul 15th, 2011, 08:57 AM
Why? Did I not say "occasional peak performance"?

Petkorazzi
Jul 15th, 2011, 09:01 AM
Why? Did I not say "occasional peak performance"?
She hasn't lost till R4 in any slam this year. :lol:

Kworb
Jul 15th, 2011, 09:09 AM
All I see in her results are occasional peak performances. :shrug: As usual I was spot on. Let's see how she does on the hardcourt.

Sombrerero loco
Jul 15th, 2011, 10:15 AM
petra has much more power and better serve

bandabou
Jul 15th, 2011, 10:35 AM
Mental strength...Lucie's going out way to long with Berdych.

justineheninfan
Jul 15th, 2011, 11:09 AM
All I see in her results are occasional peak performances. :shrug: As usual I was spot on. Let's see how she does on the hardcourt.

ROTFL you said she would regularly be losing in the first 3 rounds of slams and have a Safarova like career. Your prediction was as much a fail as your claim Seles would have dominated Wimbledon without the stabbing.

Navratil
Jul 15th, 2011, 12:53 PM
Since Madrid you can't compare Safarova's and Kvitova's career at all unless Safarova is going to win Wimbledon 2012 :D

justine schnyder
Jul 15th, 2011, 12:58 PM
I think the mentally part of their game.
Also Kvitova might be a little more powerful, but the weaker mover of the two.

Mikey.
Jul 15th, 2011, 03:07 PM
Petra has the height and build advantage over Lucie. She has a few extra inches of height and a much studier build. Since they both play a somewhat similar power game, Petra will always excel because she doesn't have to exert herself as much. Lucie's smaller frame also probably leads to her vast array of injuries. Then you have the added mental edge for Petra and there you have it, Petra > Lucie.

égalité
Jul 15th, 2011, 03:10 PM
Better serve, more consistent, more accurate, better at changing directions, better return, actually uses her brain on court. :shrug:

Miss Atomic Bomb
Jul 15th, 2011, 03:15 PM
Safarova is slightly more explosive off the ground, but Kvitova has a better head, a bit more patience and better concentration during important points.

I still stick by this, Petra might hit harder than most, but she is still more controlled than Safarova who is more explosive off the ground.

Safarova is a good player, and unplayable at times, just doesnt have the stable head and mental strength of Petra. Anyone who can beat Peak Henin has my respect.

Viktymise
Jul 15th, 2011, 03:15 PM
All I see in her results are occasional peak performances. :shrug: As usual I was spot on. Let's see how she does on the hardcourt.

"Occasional peak performances"? So far this year she has won a slam, a Premier Mandatory and 2 other titles. Plus two other good slam showings. That's better than pretty much anyone else on tour.

These past 6 months for Kvitova have been better than Safarova's entire career. You were wrong. Get over it.

Corswandt
Jul 15th, 2011, 03:39 PM
:lol: @ my previous posts in this thread, and in the Stosur match score thread I link to. The details remain mostly correct , but Corswandt the Doomsayer kept going "Fun midranked shotmaker, sure, but will never win anything big".

And now

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-zdSVociNkRk/ThDL8ovvs5I/AAAAAAAAU78/K6xdrDZAes0/s400/Petra-Kvitova-Wimbledon-Trophy-2011.jpg

Excelscior
Jul 15th, 2011, 05:37 PM
All I see in her results are occasional peak performances. :shrug: As usual I was spot on. Let's see how she does on the hardcourt.

You call a 39-6 record, 4 titles (including Premier mandatory, another Premier and Grandslam), a AO quarterfinal, French Open 4th round-losing to the eventual winner, and a finalist at Eastbourne "occasional peak performances", now? Wow!

I see your just as delusional, stubborn and misguided as you were before.

It seems like you are just gonna wish negative on Petra (I know you'll deny this), until she finally stumbles, then say "hah hah, look at her now!" Then when she starts winning again, you'll crawl up back inside your CPU cabinet till you see your shadow again next winter.

Just leave it alone at this point, please! Cut the girl a break. You know, you're already waaaaaaay behind, and proven yourself the new Nostra-dummy-r-us Lol. :) :D ;)

Hey Vickty-Mise. I see we were on the same page. Kudos!

Kworb
Jul 15th, 2011, 06:35 PM
"Occasional peak performances"? So far this year she has won a slam, a Premier Mandatory and 2 other titles. Plus two other good slam showings. That's better than pretty much anyone else on tour.

These past 6 months for Kvitova have been better than Safarova's entire career. You were wrong. Get over it.
Fundamentally they are still the same player. :shrug: Unfortunately for Safarova she is now in a deep slump, and before then she played in an infinitely stronger era. In essence they are both boring ballbashers who can sometimes keep the ball inside the court.

RobinT83
Jul 15th, 2011, 06:48 PM
Safarova has more natural talent than Kvitova.
She's clearly the better player but she's totally useless at the moment.
Kvitova, on the other hand, is an opportunistic/overachiever who took advantage to live in a mug era to win a GS (Wimbledon).
Hopefully, she will not win another GS.

Hope this helps.

Excelscior
Jul 15th, 2011, 06:50 PM
Fundamentally they are still the same player. :shrug: Unfortunately for Safarova she is now in a deep slump, and before then she played in an infinitely stronger era. In essence they are both boring ballbashers who can sometimes keep the ball inside the court.

Boy! I see you are really a hopeless, bitter pill Kworb.

Now Petra is a Brainless Ball Basher? LMAO.

You do realize she can volley, slice (forehand and backhand), serve (with power, precision and spin/angles) and return very well (in addition to her ground strokes, where she's excellent at disguising what direction she's going to hit it in)??????

Give it up Please!!! :confused: :tape: :lol: :help: :bounce:

bobito
Jul 15th, 2011, 06:53 PM
All I see in her results are occasional peak performances. :shrug: As usual I was spot on. Let's see how she does on the hardcourt.

She has won 84.3% of her matches this year, the best of any player on tour and better than the career winning percentages of any open era players other than Court, Evert, Graf and Navratilova.

:smash:

Excelscior
Jul 15th, 2011, 06:53 PM
Safarova has more natural talent than Kvitova.
She's clearly the better player but she's totally useless at the moment.
Kvitova, on the other hand, is an opportunistic/overachiever who took advantage to live in a mug era to win a GS (Wimbledon).
Hopefully, she will not win another GS.

Hope this helps.

You are and have been a bigger joke than Kworb Tennis83.

The only satisfaction will be as you hopelessly watch Petra demolish your faves and pick up more Grand Slam and tour titles, as you wallow in your self imposed hater-ade, and wayward idiocy!!!

You deserve it and no one respects you, your opinion or analysis here (been reading this site for a long time, before I joined). Truly! It couldn't of happened to a better, more predictable, obviously frustrated hack/dweeb than you.

Enjoy!!!

:bounce: :tape: :help:

iPatty
Jul 15th, 2011, 06:55 PM
Fundamentally they are still the same player. :shrug: Unfortunately for Safarova she is now in a deep slump, and before then she played in an infinitely stronger era. In essence they are both boring ballbashers who can sometimes keep the ball inside the court.

It's almost sad to see what you've become Kworb. Just completely in denial. :hug:

Apoleb
Jul 15th, 2011, 06:55 PM
Why would anyone on this board take kworb seriously? Please.

Excelscior
Jul 15th, 2011, 07:00 PM
Why would anyone on this board take kworb seriously? Please.

Why would anyone take Kworb or Tennis83 seriously.

What's the deal with that Doofus/KnuckleheadDamos?????

RobinT83
Jul 15th, 2011, 07:10 PM
You are and have been a bigger joke than Kworb Tennis83.

The only satisfaction will be as you hopelessly watch Petra demolish your faves and pick up more Grand Slam and tour titles, as you wallow in your self imposed hater-ade, and wayward idiocy!!!

You deserve it and no one respects you, your opinion or analysis here (been reading this site for a long time, before I joined). Truly! It couldn't of happened to a better, more predictable, obviously frustrated hack/dweeb than you.

Enjoy!!!

:bounce: :tape: :help:

I'm not a Wozniacki fan at all for example.
It's simply the truth, Kvitova is just an another brainless ballbasher who took advantage to live in a mug era to win her first GS, her talent is overrated here, she has no plan B at all, just ballbashing all the time.

Excelscior
Jul 15th, 2011, 07:13 PM
I'm not a Wozniacki fan at all for example.
It's simply the truth, Kvitova is just an another brainless ballbasher who took advantage to live in a mug era to win her first GS, her talent is overrated here, she has no plan B at all, just ballbashing all the time.

Ya!!

You are not worthy of responding to with a thoughtful answer.

Goodbye Troll!!!

Leelee.
Jul 15th, 2011, 07:28 PM
I heart Lucie, but she has no idea how to play defense and will lazily slap balls on the run to avoid it. Petra's returns are also much better, along with a steadier BH. I still think Lucie could be a top 10 player if she would get committed to fitness, her serve/offensive game is up there with the best.

RobinT83
Jul 15th, 2011, 07:30 PM
Ya!!

You are not worthy of responding to with a thoughtful answer.

Goodbye Troll!!!


I'm a troll because you're not agree with me? :shrug:
Watch the definition of "troll" on the dictionary...

iPatty
Jul 15th, 2011, 07:33 PM
I heart Lucie, but she has no idea how to play defense and will lazily slap balls on the run to avoid it. Petra's returns are also much better, along with a steadier BH. I still think Lucie could be a top 10 player if she would get committed to fitness, her serve/offensive game is up there with the best.

Her problem is that she has huge difficulties handling balls out of her strike zone, particularly on the BH. Her BH is really only effective if the opponent hits a midcourt ball with a very small amount of spin. I'm not saying Kvitova is some great improviser either but Safarova is really as stubborn as they come. She maybe has the ballstriking ability to be top ten but she really has nothing else in her game. Laughable defense, predictable serve, no sense of reigning in her game at important moments, prone to injuries...she missed her shot to be top ten a few years ago.

Leelee.
Jul 15th, 2011, 07:39 PM
Lucie's serve may be predictable, but its effective. She's among the top players at holding every season, even with her crappy results. As we see with some players, a good serve and mediocre game can get you far today.

Excelscior
Jul 15th, 2011, 07:42 PM
I'm a troll because you're not agree with me? :shrug:
Watch the definition of "troll" on the dictionary...

You wish!! :wavey:

Ok. I already gave you too much attention/words than necessary!

:wavey:

JCTennisFan
Jul 15th, 2011, 10:04 PM
The fact that Kvitova hits the ball as crisply as Davenport and that Safarova could only dream of doing such? Id say thats the difference.

Lennval
Jul 15th, 2011, 10:07 PM
easy, kvitova got a wimbledon, safarova did not

Linguae^
Jul 15th, 2011, 11:26 PM
I think Safarova is just...dumb,not that talented,having a 5 cent head, blah,blah...
Kvitova is really dedicated what she does and she never lacks confidence and motivation. At least recently......

edificio
Jul 15th, 2011, 11:33 PM
Mentality. Safarova needs to build on her successes. She rarely does.

Rainie Conner
Aug 7th, 2011, 02:40 PM
Read the whole thread NOT a decent reply in it!

Wert.
Aug 7th, 2011, 02:44 PM
Lucie has just confirmed it.
No more Lucie and Tomas :sobbing:

Rainie Conner
Aug 7th, 2011, 02:46 PM
Lucie has just confirmed it.
No more Lucie and Tomas :sobbing:

UNTIL NOW!

Fuzzylogic
Aug 7th, 2011, 04:30 PM
Lucie has just confirmed it.
No more Lucie and Tomas :sobbing:

:sobbing: Oh my, what happened?

new-york
Aug 7th, 2011, 04:35 PM
Petra's better cause i prefer Lucie.

Duh.

Navratil
Aug 12th, 2011, 06:20 AM
Is Safarova's boyfriend Tomas Berdych bad for her?

No that they broke up we will get the answer :D

Promissing start in Toronto. Good win against Schiavone. That was just one of these matches where you think that Lucie's got Top Ten potential :bounce:

Wert.
Aug 12th, 2011, 08:16 AM
I think Safarova is just...dumb,not that talented,having a 5 cent head, blah,blah...
Kvitova is really dedicated what she does and she never lacks confidence and motivation. At least recently......


You are ridicoulus :lol:

Dumb.no brain.no talent.Please expleain me how she reached Slam QF and still is TOP 30 player?

TheHangover
Aug 12th, 2011, 08:26 AM
i don't know yesterday lucie looked like the gs champion and kvitova like a top 50, it seems that petra doesn't like hardcourt, for sure on grass she is of another level

Edinboro
Aug 23rd, 2012, 12:58 AM
Mini bump. They will play their first matchup against each other tomorrow. ;) With such similar styles it should be a great match. I hope there is a stream. :unsure:

Nicolás89
Aug 23rd, 2012, 01:03 AM
Talent?

danieln1
Aug 23rd, 2012, 01:09 AM
Kvitova always have trouble facing a compatriot, she lost to Strycova a while back :facepalm:

steni
Aug 23rd, 2012, 03:57 AM
I think Tennistv is gonna stream this match
http://www.newhavenopen.com/ScheduleAndDraws/TVSchedule/?intloc=headernavsub

Imperfect Angel
Aug 24th, 2012, 02:41 PM
So I guess we have the answer now. Thread close.:oh:

dsanders06
Aug 24th, 2012, 04:55 PM
It's funny how everyone thinks Safarova is this inconsistent player who has magnificent highs and lows. She's actually become pretty consistent in recent years, and her ranking is built on a pile of solid results at Tier 2s and MMs - but she almost always flops against the big players / at the biggest tournaments. She hasn't even made it to the 4th round of a Slam in more than 5 years :lol:

Safarova probably has a slightly better serve, but Petra is better than her by a HUGE margin in every other department. I mean, even in terms of athleticism, Petra looks like Steffi Graf compared to Safarova.

Israel
Aug 24th, 2012, 05:01 PM
Well Kvitova's shots have more power, her serve is better (placement+pace) and well her shots are heavier too (Safarova's shots are fast too but they look less effective to me). Also experience at the later stages of tournaments I guess.

justineheninfan
Aug 24th, 2012, 05:19 PM
Kvitova does everything better apart from possibly the serve which is a toss up. They have similar games and Safarova has powerful groundstrokes but less powerful than Kvitova, and worse movement. Mentally she is weaker too.

Edinboro
Aug 24th, 2012, 06:24 PM
It's funny how everyone thinks Safarova is this inconsistent player who has magnificent highs and lows. She's actually become pretty consistent in recent years, and her ranking is built on a pile of solid results at Tier 2s and MMs - but she almost always flops against the big players / at the biggest tournaments. She hasn't even made it to the 4th round of a Slam in more than 5 years :lol:

Safarova probably has a slightly better serve, but Petra is better than her by a HUGE margin in every other department. I mean, even in terms of athleticism, Petra looks like Steffi Graf compared to Safarova.


I agree with everything you said except Lucie doesn't play MM events. I wish she would, she could probably win 1 or two titles per year by playing a few smaller events. I don't even think she's entered anything lower than a Tier 2 this year with the exception of ITF Prague which she won. So I guess that affirms my statement that if she were to play more smaller events she could pick some WTA titles...

Excelscior
Aug 24th, 2012, 06:47 PM
With trying to be fair as possible to Safarova (who I like), I'm not sure she does anything better than Petra.

Petra has a better serve (especially the 2nd serve), groundies, more power, touch, pretty stokes/form, backhand, ROS, athleticism, gameplan/adjustments (when Petra does), and mentality.

The only things you could say are close, would be Safarova's 1st serves and possible forehand. But even Safarova's forehand, is very wooden looking and lacks the hit point versatility that Kvitova's does (while not even including touch, hybrid shots and spin manipulation to the mix, that Petra can excel in).

Start da Game
Aug 24th, 2012, 06:50 PM
tennis is 90% mental.....that plus kvitova's better serve and net game......

Edinboro
Aug 24th, 2012, 06:54 PM
The only advantage Lucie has over Petra is 1st serve and it honestly surprises me to see people in here say Petra has the better serve. She doesn't..Lucie uses the lefty spin serve way better than Petra does and as a result is able to set up quick 1-2 shots on serve which I rarely see Petra do.

JustPetko
Aug 24th, 2012, 06:57 PM
Mentality? :shrug:

Excelscior
Aug 24th, 2012, 09:17 PM
The only advantage Lucie has over Petra is 1st serve and it honestly surprises me to see people in here say Petra has the better serve. She doesn't..Lucie uses the lefty spin serve way better than Petra does and as a result is able to set up quick 1-2 shots on serve which I rarely see Petra do.

Then I guess you don't watch Petra play enough. :lol:

Even if that was your view point, I also think it could have something to do with the fact that Petra's serving is more versatile and she used all areas of both boxes and changes speeds more frequently. Petra doesn't have to rely on one particular serve.

But most observers think, her slice out wide is more more effective than Safarova's, due to Petra's height/angle, variation of spin-longer fingers, and it's diversity up and down the edge of the service box.

Lucie's "A" serving just appears too unreliable most times, especially under pressure.

But hey; that's just me. :shrug:

Kworb
Aug 24th, 2012, 09:25 PM
They are still the same player.. but Petra's heinous bark gives her a significant advantage and allows her to win more matches than Lucie. Opponents are always disgusted and rattled by it.

smarties
Aug 24th, 2012, 10:20 PM
:lol: