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StephenUK
Mar 1st, 2011, 10:49 PM
It seems a bit sad to me that the old green clay of Florida and the southern states seems to be all but abolished now, well at least on the WTA tour (though it is still to be found quite plentifully on the ITF circuit). At one time it was quite an important stage of the tournament schedule, remember the Family Circle Cup at Hilton Head and Amelia Island and the US Clay Court Championships? Maybe you are not as ancient as me, but do you think this tournament should be kept on this surface or should it switch to red clay? Or do you think green clay needs some more events to add a bit more surface variety in this days of endless hardcourt tennis?

Randy H
Mar 1st, 2011, 10:59 PM
Amelia Island was such a beautiful and unique event, it always drew a great crowd in attendance, and it also drew a lot of top names through the years. It was a crying shame that the road map all but destroyed its future, as it has so many tournaments that had years of tradition behind them.

We've also lost tournaments in Sarasota/Ponte Vedra Beach, and the old Houston event which was also on green clay. Again, I think money was ultimately what caused their demise because it certainly wasn't because of attendance. It's sad to think that a tournament like Amelia Island which was always PACKED gets squeezed out, while tournaments in the Middle East are near empty but can afford to keep going regardless.

Renalicious
Mar 1st, 2011, 11:00 PM
I think ADD another green clay tournament. Changing Charleston to red clay would be too significant as it is quite an iconic tournament.... :tears: We could have some International tournament near USA on Green clay, I think that would help...

Randy H
Mar 1st, 2011, 11:01 PM
And to answer the question, yes I would like to see more green clay events back on the tour schedule :)

bgr4
Mar 1st, 2011, 11:06 PM
I agree completely. It is such a historic surface, and players seem to love playing on it, so the more the better :)

Shinjiro
Mar 1st, 2011, 11:14 PM
I'd like fast red clay and lighter balls to go with it, but that's just me.

pattyclijsters
Mar 1st, 2011, 11:34 PM
i'd like to see more green clay! woohoo!

AcesHigh
Mar 1st, 2011, 11:41 PM
I think it's pointless for big name players to play on green clay. I think it's time to abolish it for the WTA tour

I say leave it to ITF

Smitten
Mar 2nd, 2011, 12:00 AM
Green clay is a useless surface that does nothing for the WTA tour. It has no bearing on Roland Garros and no one cares about it besides Schnyder.

Dave.
Mar 2nd, 2011, 12:01 AM
The way I see it is all the red clay tournaments in Europe are so different anyway, so green clay is merely another strand of it. Madrid, Rome, RG etc. are all totally different to each other (and even different each day) so it doesn't make much of a difference if there's a green clay tourney.

All we know is that AI and Charleston are two of the most loved tournaments on the tour and usually both attracted great fields and crowds alike.

Not meaning to sound naive, but I do wonder why a tournament that was packed out every day, that attracted the top players, was shown on tv, is still not financially able to continue. Surely the event itself wasn't incapable of making a profit.

HOS
Mar 2nd, 2011, 12:04 AM
IN the 80's and 90's you had Hilton HEad (Charlie) Amelia Island (which became PVB for a couple of years) Tampa & Houston- all on green clay- all had great fields....around 1990 when Houston & Tampa were given the flick, Houston spoke about how the WTA asked them to not have the event for a few years and let Europe and Asai (at the time, the Japan Open in tokyo was playeed around then, and events in Singapore were also held)but you know, the events never came back.....v sad. Aroudn the same time- 2 other events- very well supported being Boca Raton and the US Hardcourts (Dallas and San Antono_) also disappeared.
Anyways, nowaday $$ is tight, the WTA seem detrimine to squeeze Charlie out- which is such a shame- it is a great great great city with a lot of history- and tennis history too!
I would love Charlie to stay on the green clay- play fed cip the week after Miami and then bring back another small green clay event the week after and then the week fater play Charlie. Alternatively, you could play Maimi- then play Bogata or Acapulco and then Charlie. If they really wnat to f off gren clay, you could play IW's, then Charlie then Miami as another more radical alternativee. IW shoul be 1 week in the calander- play a 64 draw-Sunday to Sunday anyways I think.

back to Charlie and AI for a sec- these events were/are very well supoorted not just by the players but by the public.
I knwo WTA wants to diversify into Asia/Middle East- i get that- but overall, crowds not too flash there! They are forgetting there faithful fans in lure of cashed up countries.....I;ll be intersted to see if Cairo still goers ahead next year after the trunoil there???

In The Zone
Mar 2nd, 2011, 12:05 AM
It's very expensive to even sign up with the WTA Tour. Hence, the roadmap's destruction.

I find the green clay events to be the perfect transition for the players in the month of April. From months on the hardcourts, the green clay provides a slightly slower ball and sliding surface but not as dramatic as the red clay. The players can find their footing on the green clay and then progress to the red clay.

These events were never an issue until recently.

iGOAT
Mar 2nd, 2011, 12:12 AM
Yes, it's definitely time for a surface change. For more events to go back to green clay.

LindsayRulz
Mar 2nd, 2011, 12:15 AM
I guess it's a good way to make the hard court-red clay transition by playing on a faster clay court such as Charleston, but with AI and HH now out of the calendar it is becoming more and more pointless to keep the green clay events on tour IMO. And that's a shame for the multiple reasons mentioned above.

Carotastrophe
Mar 2nd, 2011, 12:24 AM
Yes, hopefully the WTA decides to put more Green Clay Events on to their schedule, it would be terrible to see such a great surface not used in tournaments.

AcesHigh
Mar 2nd, 2011, 12:33 AM
Do players like playing on green clay?

Personally, I don't like playing on it. Give me hardcourt or real clay.

JamieOwen3
Mar 2nd, 2011, 12:39 AM
more need to be added!!! love watching matches on it A LOT more than i like to watch matches on that brick shit.

djb84xi
Mar 2nd, 2011, 12:41 AM
I like to think Charleston is rather unique, because of the green clay. This is one of the most popular and historic events the WTA has ever had. The crowds are amazing, the atmosphere is very warm and inviting, and the quality of tennis is always pretty good. Despite the rarity of Green Clay, it really makes Charleston stand out and by no means should anything about it be changed. This, along with Amelia Island were 2 of the best tourneys the in the history of the WTA. It's bad enough one got ruined, but to ruin Charleston would be a tremendous blow to the tour and tennis in general. This tournament deserves to be bigger than it really is and I think tennis should do whatever it takes to preserve this event and it's surface.

njnetswill
Mar 2nd, 2011, 01:41 AM
I don't think you can blame Middle East and Asian events on the demise of tournaments like Amelia Island. After all, they just created new tournaments in Maryland and Texas. Hardcourt events yes, but it's not like they are taking away American tournaments and giving them to other regions. It's more complicated than that.

Personally, I would love to see events like Amelia Island come back. From what I heard, it was a sponsor issue.

Mattographer
Mar 2nd, 2011, 01:47 AM
Do players like playing on green clay?
Lindsay Davenport ;)

Bring Amelia Island back :(

Uranium
Mar 2nd, 2011, 01:49 AM
Once they lost Amelia Island, my interest for green clay was lost. Get rid of it is my vote.

Jajaloo
Mar 2nd, 2011, 01:52 AM
Its a novelty, keep it.

Don't Madrid want blue clay?

croat123
Mar 2nd, 2011, 01:53 AM
i say get rid of the ME swing and add two clay weeks of green clay after IW/Miami
it's a great surface and it would really be a shame to have no events on what is a pretty common surface, at least in the states

Six Feet Under
Mar 2nd, 2011, 01:56 AM
Change to grass :D

Herbert
Mar 2nd, 2011, 02:04 AM
yeah, the tournament/surface that tried to end Zvonarevas and Wozniackis careers in back to back years should not be kept on the tour.

One could almost speculate that the green clay in Charleston is alive and carrying out the evil wishes from this forum...scary thought :help:

mauresmofan
Mar 2nd, 2011, 02:06 AM
Green clay is a useless surface that does nothing for the WTA tour. It has no bearing on Roland Garros and no one cares about it besides Schnyder.

I disagree it acts like a transition surface between hard courts and the slow red clay and can make for some very interesting match ups between big hitters and good clay courters.

edificio
Mar 2nd, 2011, 03:09 AM
Bring back Amelia Island!!!

Caralenko
Mar 2nd, 2011, 03:14 AM
yeah, the tournament/surface that tried to end Zvonarevas and Wozniackis careers in back to back years should not be kept on the tour.

One could almost speculate that the green clay in Charleston is alive and carrying out the evil wishes from this forum...scary thought :help:

You forgot Serena too.

Mr.Sharapova
Mar 2nd, 2011, 08:11 AM
Charleston is one of the most amazing tournaments on tour :)

Curcubeu
Mar 2nd, 2011, 08:52 AM
I prefer red clay, but having one or two events on green clay don't bother me :)

Betten
Mar 2nd, 2011, 08:54 AM
I don't really care about the surface either way, but I wouldn't mind to see it go. There is a lot of variety in the way red clay plays, so the only real reason to keep the green stuff would be for historical reasons (or the colour :)). It is sad though that the Amelia Island tournament is no more.

SAISAI-GOAT
Mar 2nd, 2011, 09:23 AM
add another green clay MM + Charleston = green clay season

change Madrid to blue clay and another European red clay MM (Barcelona or Marbella) to blue clay = blue clay season

get rid of some of the red clay MM as there are too many to begin with :help:

Corswandt
Mar 2nd, 2011, 09:34 AM
Useless tournament (even though it made for good TV due to the unusual camera angle), injury-inducing playing surface.

Scrap it.

Juju Nostalgique
Mar 2nd, 2011, 09:55 AM
It's unique and fun so why change it? :shrug: :ras:

Richie's
Mar 2nd, 2011, 10:02 AM
Green Clay is so unique. We have to see it more and more.

Shinjiro
Mar 2nd, 2011, 10:15 AM
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Foot's Fingers
Mar 2nd, 2011, 10:15 AM
always prefer green clay to red one
Missing these tournaments now :bigcry:

burn
Mar 2nd, 2011, 10:24 AM
Don't take Patty's fave surface away :sobbing:

Sp!ffy
Mar 2nd, 2011, 10:56 AM
Change to grass :D

A grass tournament in the states?! :inlove:

Sp!ffy
Mar 2nd, 2011, 10:58 AM
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Wozniacki falls at every tournament it seems. She has lazy footwork and runs like a whale.

Linguae^
Mar 2nd, 2011, 11:19 AM
It isn't. Green clay is adorable. :inlove:

Mynarco
Mar 2nd, 2011, 11:31 AM
Why is green clay surface prone to injury?

Meelis
Mar 2nd, 2011, 01:37 PM
Sooner or later they will make Jounieh WTA tournament :unsure:

CrossCourt~Rally
Mar 2nd, 2011, 02:20 PM
And to answer the question, yes I would like to see more green clay events back on the tour schedule :)

^^ This. :)

Btw, there are still allot of green clay tourneys on the USTA ITF circuit. :cool:

CrossCourt~Rally
Mar 2nd, 2011, 02:22 PM
A grass tournament in the states?! :inlove:

I hope the women will someday get to play the ATP grass tourney in Newport :D

Break My Rapture
Mar 2nd, 2011, 02:37 PM
Both Charleston and Amelia Island (especially that last one) were beautiful events and I despise the WTA for making them go away or pushing them into a strangehold position where scrapping will eventually have to come. :(

Also, the "higher injury risk on green clay" is BS in my opinion. It's just as risky to slide on red clay as it is on green clay (taking into account wetness/dryness of the court), there's a reason players like Serena and Caro took a tumble, they aren't used to sliding on clay, they weren't born playing on it. Point is, sliding on clay is pretty dangerous (even for the ones who are used to playing on it, but more for the others) whether it's green or red clay doesn't matter that much IMO.

Mistress of Evil
Mar 2nd, 2011, 03:27 PM
Green clay is fun :awww: Wish they were more tourneys.

Joelina
Mar 2nd, 2011, 03:42 PM
they canīt cancel Charleston! this is such a beautiful city and I love this tournament :sad:

crazillo
Mar 2nd, 2011, 03:46 PM
So basically

indoor carpet gone
green clay almost gone

:help:

miffedmax
Mar 2nd, 2011, 05:17 PM
I think ADD another green clay tournament. Changing Charleston to red clay would be too significant as it is quite an iconic tournament.... :tears: We could have some International tournament near USA on Green clay, I think that would help...

And to answer the question, yes I would like to see more green clay events back on the tour schedule :)

I agree completely. It is such a historic surface, and players seem to love playing on it, so the more the better :)

i'd like to see more green clay! woohoo!

Yes, it's definitely time for a surface change. For more events to go back to green clay.

Yes, hopefully the WTA decides to put more Green Clay Events on to their schedule, it would be terrible to see such a great surface not used in tournaments.

more need to be added!!! love watching matches on it A LOT more than i like to watch matches on that brick shit.

I disagree it acts like a transition surface between hard courts and the slow red clay and can make for some very interesting match ups between big hitters and good clay courters.

Bring back Amelia Island!!!

Green Clay is so unique. We have to see it more and more.

always prefer green clay to red one
Missing these tournaments now :bigcry:

It isn't. Green clay is adorable. :inlove:

Both Charleston and Amelia Island (especially that last one) were beautiful events and I despise the WTA for making them go away or pushing them into a strangehold position where scrapping will eventually have to come. :(

Also, the "higher injury risk on green clay" is BS in my opinion. It's just as risky to slide on red clay as it is on green clay (taking into account wetness/dryness of the court), there's a reason players like Serena and Caro took a tumble, they aren't used to sliding on clay, they weren't born playing on it. Point is, sliding on clay is pretty dangerous (even for the ones who are used to playing on it, but more for the others) whether it's green or red clay doesn't matter that much IMO.

Green clay is fun :awww: Wish they were more tourneys.

they canīt cancel Charleston! this is such a beautiful city and I love this tournament :sad:

So basically

indoor carpet gone
green clay almost gone

:help:

Let no one doubt the importance of green clay, or of titles won thereon.

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JamieOwen3
Mar 2nd, 2011, 05:21 PM
even players who hate clay can win on it so add more!!!


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spotsyboy
Mar 2nd, 2011, 05:38 PM
I agree it's a shame we lost Amelia Island, as my aunt used to live there and worked at the Plantation, so I was able to attend it three years straight (99-01) and got to enjoy the lush, yet intimate surroundings - not to mention the likes of Seles, Suarez, Kournikova, Mauresmo, Coetzer, etc before they retired...

It would be a shame to lose Charleston too....SO much history there..........

It would be fantastic if they could upgrade the Charlottesville $50k to a green clay MM tournament - the facility/resort is fantastic and it seems to be well funded.........not to mention it's convenience, schedule-wise, right at the end of April.............

I hope that $$ (or lack thereof) won't be the deciding factor but........

StephenUK
Mar 2nd, 2011, 07:43 PM
Personally I think that Charleston should be saved, it's an endangered species - and Amelia Island should return!

To me, one of the best things about tennis is the challenge of the different surfaces and it seems to me that tennis is in danger of becoming a hardcourt monoculture. Grass and green clay are endangered, indoor carpet is extinct apart from a few ITFs, only red clay seems able to fight its corner, but even it cannot hold out against the might of hardcourts, it seems that classic clay court players are becoming rarer and rarer as most players have to accept that most of their year and therefore their game should be adapted for hard courts.

Maybe we should start a petition or demonstrate outside WTA HQ!!!

Randy H
Mar 2nd, 2011, 09:49 PM
Why is green clay surface prone to injury?

It's not - Ankle injuries are almost always a result of poor footwork/fatigue. Only exception that I can think of to this is the rubbery rebound ace on a real hot day that makes the courts quite sticky. Very easy to jam your ankle and do damage in that way under those conditions

The Daviator
Mar 2nd, 2011, 11:49 PM
The green clay events were wonderful, and as someone else said, a great segue between IW/Miami and the red clay season. Variety amongst the surfaces is important, carpet is gone, green clay is probably going, indoor events have been completely undermined. All we have is one hard court event after the other, with RG and Wimbledon stuffed inbetween :o

tennisforadults
Mar 3rd, 2011, 01:28 AM
Green clay is a useless surface that does nothing for the WTA tour. It has no bearing on Roland Garros and no one cares about it besides Schnyder.

I see you are still spilling shit everywhere in this forum.

Green clay has its own place in tennis lore. Go get educated... or continue embarrassing yourself. :o

thegreendestiny
Mar 3rd, 2011, 01:49 AM
Charleston is indeed a great tournament which draws a lot of fans. It's also a good transition from hard to clay for players.

aisha
Mar 3rd, 2011, 02:24 AM
It's a novelty (now), but I'd like it if Charleston remains a green clay tourny. I hope one day Amelia Island is reinstated though. :o

My only qualm is that GC seems more slippery than it ever was. :shrug:

Wert.
Mar 10th, 2011, 10:58 AM
Ponte Vedra is great..They deffinetly have to be back on Tour

SVK
Mar 10th, 2011, 11:08 AM
Sooner or later they will make Jounieh WTA tournament :unsure:

Hopefully!!!:inlove:

new-york
Mar 10th, 2011, 03:02 PM
We need some ovnis here and there.

chuvack
Mar 10th, 2011, 04:04 PM
The tournament has had a great history on green clay, not only for the 10 years in Charlie but also for many years at the previous site at HHI. Green clay is a nice medium between European clay and hardcourts. Great for players who mix things up like Schnyder and Hingis, but not too slow for attacking players to win on either.

VeeJJ
Mar 10th, 2011, 04:15 PM
They should make Houston a combined event and switch it to green clay :)

LCS
Mar 10th, 2011, 04:17 PM
It's sad this surface seems on its way to extinction. It's really part of tradition and it would be nice if Amelia Island was back on the calendar. Despite the need for evolution, tennis is a sport of traditions and this one should be kept.