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The Witch-king
Feb 25th, 2011, 04:19 PM
I can't stand this "rivalry". Such a bad combo tennis wise!

legolas1
Feb 25th, 2011, 04:22 PM
hey, you don't have to watch it :lol:

there are too many matches I couldn't care less about so I don't bother wasting my time watching them

but I may check this one out actually just to see if Caro goes for big shots against Vera

EDIT:
Vera hasn't won her SF match yet :lol:

so we are getting a little ahead of ourselves here

RenaSlam.
Feb 25th, 2011, 04:40 PM
Dull.

Break My Rapture
Feb 25th, 2011, 04:42 PM
I definitely detest them too.

frenchie
Feb 25th, 2011, 04:43 PM
I love their rallies.

cellophane
Feb 25th, 2011, 04:44 PM
Pushniacki vs. Pushnareva :inlove:

scoobz
Feb 25th, 2011, 04:47 PM
Oh I definitely degree.

EVERY SINGLE LAST ONE OF THE TWO OF THEM have been awful.

Except for the Beijing final which was sorta okay.

edificio
Feb 25th, 2011, 04:49 PM
I don't know if I detest them, but last night I realized we could have another Vera/Caro final, and it didn't really fill me with excitement. But, you never know, maybe Vera doesn't make it or Vera and Caro play a crackin' good match. :)

Mistress of Evil
Feb 25th, 2011, 04:49 PM
Pushniacki vs. Pushnareva :inlove:

:lol:

Young 8
Feb 25th, 2011, 04:52 PM
I can't stand this "rivalry". Such a bad combo tennis wise!


Are you sure Zvonareva is going to the final ?

The Witch-king
Feb 25th, 2011, 04:58 PM
EDIT:
Vera hasn't won her SF match yet :lol:

so we are getting a little ahead of ourselves here

Are you sure Zvonareva is going to the final ?
:tape: You're right. But I've been meaning to post this thread for a long time anyway.

Oh I definitely degree.

EVERY SINGLE LAST ONE OF THE TWO OF THEM have been awful.

Except for the Beijing final which was sorta okay.

Actually I hate when they play in general but finals have an element where you feel obliged to watch.

Temperenka
Feb 25th, 2011, 05:00 PM
I detest whiners.

DownInAHole
Feb 25th, 2011, 05:01 PM
As a Wozniacki fan I quite enjoy them because so far Caroline has won them all. Hopefully that will continue tomorrow.

kman
Feb 25th, 2011, 05:03 PM
Caro tends to win them so I like them :lol:

GoofyDuck
Feb 25th, 2011, 05:04 PM
I hope Caro won't outhit or anything once they meet haha.

M.P
Feb 25th, 2011, 05:06 PM
i want a epic 3 sett JJ vs Caro :devil:

Dodoboy.
Feb 25th, 2011, 05:06 PM
They are boring as hell! Really hope we don't have one

nicidle
Feb 25th, 2011, 05:08 PM
might well be JaJa instead

The Witch-king
Feb 25th, 2011, 05:10 PM
I detest winners.
Well you wont get any on Saturday anyway :shrug:

Lunaticalm
Feb 25th, 2011, 05:21 PM
Woz vs JJ encore please....

Beny
Feb 25th, 2011, 05:22 PM
I only like them when Zvonareva is winning :D Because when she loses, it´s because she is playing like shit

Nicolás89
Feb 25th, 2011, 05:23 PM
Compare it with other rivalries specially in finals, "tennis wise" of course.
Serena vs Venus: Err... no
Justine vs Kim: Seriously?
Sharapova vs Random Russian: No.

I think this rivalry is good enough.

fish_wilson
Feb 25th, 2011, 05:23 PM
totally boring, killing off the wta completely, they should be fined for every match they play.

C. W. Fields
Feb 25th, 2011, 05:26 PM
I don't mind Caro-Vera finals, but I'd like to see Caro play JJ again tomorrow to see if Caro has improved from last week.

goldenlox
Feb 25th, 2011, 05:36 PM
I'll take a Vera-Caro anytime. Vera has to show she still belongs in the same conversation as Caro & Kim. She isnt holding any titles now

Chakvenus
Feb 25th, 2011, 05:40 PM
i agree completely.
it's so frustrating, but i think a large part of it is that i usually hate players who are winning a lot. but i don't like their games anyway, so the matchup just doesn't excite me.

GoofyDuck
Feb 25th, 2011, 05:42 PM
Jinx Thread.

QuietPlease
Feb 25th, 2011, 05:46 PM
I can't stand this "rivalry". Such a bad combo tennis wise!

I like 'em. Very competitive!

tea
Feb 25th, 2011, 05:47 PM
You gonna love tomorrow.

The Witch-king
Feb 25th, 2011, 05:47 PM
Jinx Thread.

Not really :wavey:

Alejandrawrrr
Feb 25th, 2011, 05:52 PM
Compare it with other rivalries specially in finals, "tennis wise" of course.
Serena vs Venus: Err... no
Justine vs Kim: Seriously?
Sharapova vs Random Russian: No.

I think this rivalry is good enough.

lawl, I'd gladly take all three over this :drool: But that would involve Venus, Justine, and Ma$ha making finals, which isn't something that I would bet my house on(For varying reasons, ofc.)

Nico_E
Feb 25th, 2011, 06:17 PM
2 classic mickey mouse tournament dwellers

goldenlox
Feb 25th, 2011, 06:19 PM
2 classic mickey mouse tournament dwellersThis is a Premier. Caro won 5 of them since Wimbledon. Doha would be 6 Premiers titles since last August for her

Bonfire
Feb 25th, 2011, 06:20 PM
I find it hard to detest any final including Wozzy;)

Slutiana
Feb 25th, 2011, 06:28 PM
I only like them when Zvonareva is winning :D Because when she loses, it´s because she is playing like shit
Well she never wins, so.... :lol:

Compare it with other rivalries specially in finals, "tennis wise" of course.
Serena vs Venus: Err... no
Justine vs Kim: Seriously?
Those are much better. ;)

And anyway, the fiercest rivalries of those four are Serena vs Justine and Venus vs Kim, which >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (x1 trillion) this one.

faboozadoo15
Feb 25th, 2011, 07:07 PM
:sad: Wish Jaja had made the final....

GoofyDuck
Feb 25th, 2011, 07:16 PM
2 classic mickey mouse tournament dwellers

Get over yourself.

Apoleb
Feb 25th, 2011, 07:21 PM
Well she never wins, so.... :lol:


Those are much better. ;)

And anyway, the fiercest rivalries of those four are Serena vs Justine and Venus vs Kim, which >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (x1 trillion) this one.

:confused:

In the words of Martina Hingis: What rivalry. I beat her all the time.

Mr.Sharapova
Feb 25th, 2011, 07:25 PM
This is a Premier. Caro won 5 of them since Wimbledon. Doha would be 6 Premiers titles since last August for her


The first time any player achieved this without beating any of the top elite players Serena,Venus,Clijsters,Sharapova,Henin :bowdown::rocker:

Scola
Feb 25th, 2011, 07:43 PM
How anyone can call it this a rivalry, when Vera won by far the most important match they played so easily and once absolutely humiliated Wozniacki 12-1. That's more like a ownage than anything else.

goldenlox
Feb 25th, 2011, 07:43 PM
The first time any player achieved this without beating any of the top elite players Serena,Venus,Clijsters,Sharapova,Henin :bowdown::rocker:
Serena was in a boot. Caro beat Sharapova when they played last year. Henin is retired.
Caro isnt going anywhere. She's going to be one of the favorites every tournament she plays, starting with IW.

DownInAHole
Feb 25th, 2011, 07:48 PM
How anyone can call it this a rivalry, when Vera won by far the most important match they played so easily and once absolutely humiliated Wozniacki 12-1. That's more like a ownage than anything else.

Gosh, you are right. That Hong Kong exhibition match is much more meaningful than the Montreal and Beijing finals that Caroline won over Vera.:p

No doubt about it, that was an embarrassing result for Caroline but it's also pretty meaningless, when Caroline retires no one is going to lament the fact that she lost an exhibition match.

Mr.Sharapova
Feb 25th, 2011, 07:48 PM
Serena was in a boot. Caro beat Sharapova when they played last year. Henin is retired.
Caro isnt going anywhere. She's going to be one of the favorites every tournament she plays, starting with IW.

I know don't worry. Its kinda sad really. Watching Wozniacki play and dominate the players she's playing at the moment makes me miss even more Serena and Maria,Kuznetsova at their top level.

Unless Clijsters shows up in Indian Wells and Miami they are both on Caro's hands :)

C. W. Fields
Feb 25th, 2011, 07:53 PM
Gosh, you are right. That Hong Kong exhibition match is much more meaningful than the Montreal and Beijing finals that Caroline won over Vera.:p

No doubt about it, that was an embarrassing result for Caroline but it's also pretty meaningless, when Caroline retires no one is going to lament the fact that she lost an exhibition match.

Ignore him. He's just trying to be provocative and you're buying into it.

Spiritof42
Feb 25th, 2011, 08:02 PM
The Montreal final was nothing to write home about, but in Beijing Caroline and Vera produced a good, competitive match, and the stats show it:

http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/4017/cwvz2010beijingmatch.jpg (http://img696.imageshack.us/i/cwvz2010beijingmatch.jpg/)

I certainly enjoyed that one.

2 classic mickey mouse tournament dwellers

I like how some TF posters have extended the definition of a "Mickey Mouse tournament" to include Premier events ever since Wozniacki started winning most of them. :lol:

The first time any player achieved this without beating any of the top elite players Serena,Venus,Clijsters,Sharapova,Henin :bowdown::rocker:
Sharapova hasn't been a "top elite player" in a while. It's hardly Caroline's fault that Maria didn't play well enough in Tokyo and Beijing to make it past the early rounds. Anyway, it was probably better for Maria not to meet her in these tournaments to keep her 2-1 advantage in their H2H intact. ;)

GoofyDuck
Feb 25th, 2011, 08:09 PM
Ignore him. He's just trying to be provocative and you're buying into it.

When will you change your pic to something less provocative... I cringe everytime I see that picture. :lol:

In The Zone
Feb 26th, 2011, 02:38 AM
As a Wozniacki fan I quite enjoy them because so far Caroline has won them all. Hopefully that will continue tomorrow.

:spit: Except Vera won the most important one of all. +1 for Vera.

AnomyBC
Feb 26th, 2011, 02:45 AM
I love Caro and I love Vera, so not surprisingly I don't particularly mind Caro vs. Vera finals :)

Reptilia
Feb 26th, 2011, 03:21 AM
Yes they are painfully dull.

BlueTrees
Feb 26th, 2011, 03:43 AM
Yep.

Lachy
Feb 26th, 2011, 03:45 AM
Yes. I loathe this match-up. FML twice.

Vikapower
Feb 26th, 2011, 04:08 AM
A debate on 2 useless players this is what we should detest.

tkutsaar
Feb 26th, 2011, 04:09 AM
Yes they are painfully dull.

The title to this thread and the referenced comment seems to suggest that we should anticipate that our finalists will likely produce a dull tennis match devoid of excitement.

I just happen to look at the highlights of last year’s semi finals of this tournament, when these two met. See:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-6Zv-FnXLc

The first game of the match saw Vera with five break points and did not convert. Caro won on her fourth game point. Caro raced to a 4-1 lead almost 5-0 as she had a break point to go up two breaks. Then Vera roared back winning the next four games breaking Caro twice in the process. In that last game Caro was broken at love and she smashed her racket to the ground in frustration at this sharp turn of events. With Vera serving for the set at 5-4 she had two set points (40-15) but hit two UEs. Then on the deuce point Vera returned three shots that looked like winners and got back to equality on the point only to net an easy shot. So Caro broke and held her serve, Caro then broke vera at love to capture the first set
.
The second set was not competitive as Vera was bagled. Still that first set for excitement and drama was as good as women’s tennis gets. I am sure everyone seeing the match found it very entertaining.

Bronx19
Feb 26th, 2011, 04:15 AM
You know Vera cant hit her off the court and will crack in the end, pointless.

Get Kim out there and watch the ownage.

HowardH
Feb 26th, 2011, 04:22 AM
In reply to tkutsaar's post, I would say that drama in a match has nothing to do with the quality of tennis. Some people enjoy dramatic tennis regardless of the quality- in which case they would also enjoy watching local club tennis or junior matches, since they can be equally dramatic as the scores fluctuate. People may dislike seeing such a final because of the styles of the players, regardless of how dramatic the match may be.

Other people prefer seeing quality tennis, which is not the same thing as excitement and drama. It's appreciation for great play.

Now personally, don't detest this kind of final. I dislike Caro's no-frills game but I quite enjoy Vera's hustling game. Vera has a bit more athleticism- or at least seems to be a bit more showy in her athleticism. The only thing that bothers me about watching Vera is her temper.

So I would quite like to see a Bepa/Caro final if Bepa wins. But if Bepa loses and smashes her racquet, I'll be cringing. Hopefully I won't be seeing too much of Bepa's temper in this final.

The thing I dislike about this final is that Caro seems to be such a heavy favourite. But I'm hoping for the upset.

Bingain
Feb 26th, 2011, 05:26 AM
I beg to differ to Haward's comments.

There are two kinds of on-court dramas--competition drama and melodrama.

Competition drama, whilst not necessarily mean the highest level of demonstration of quality, is what makes sports sports and not computer algorithms. An example, Federer's schooling of Wawrinka during AO was nonetheless higher level than the Wozniacki vs Schiavone match that followed. But it was boring. Midway into first set you'd know who the winner would be. There was no drama at all. The later match, OTOH, was way more entertaining with ups and downs and ohs and aghs. That's good drama. Why are fans so crazy about underdog winning rugby/football/basketball/etc matches? Drama!!!!!!

Melodrama... Lisicki & Wozzy bumping into each other, Aga staring at her broken racquet, Li Na's cute & funny interview, Serena talking sweetly to lineslady, various bitchy post match interviews, forthcoming wardrobe malfunction at USO... These can bring some chuckles or boos. Sometimes entertaining but sometimes too much. Sometimes no harm sometimes hurts a lot.

Anyway, yeah, I too, am not too much into melodrama. But court drama, hell yeah, that's why I'm still here. That's why tennis is a sport and fans love it. That's why women's tennis has a place in sports.

Can anyone guarantee there will be no drama in Caro vs Bepa match?

So Disrespectful
Feb 26th, 2011, 05:27 AM
Yes, we need a grade A ballbasher like Kvitova to step it up and have Wozniacki running all over the place. A match with those two in peak form would be great.

Sam.
Feb 26th, 2011, 05:31 AM
I really hate Vera now, i don't really now why but in don't remember she has a game too boring before :o

pav
Feb 26th, 2011, 05:39 AM
A debate on 2 useless players this is what we should detest.
This debate is not about the williams sistas

Michael.
Feb 26th, 2011, 05:44 AM
no.

Patrick345
Feb 26th, 2011, 05:52 AM
The first time any player achieved this without beating any of the top elite players Serena,Venus ,Clijsters,Sharapova,Henin :bowdown::rocker:

:lol::lol:

Maria Croft
Feb 26th, 2011, 07:31 AM
Well, I definitely think it's boring.

I looked at the results and saw they both made the finals again and I just couldn't care less.

s_j
Feb 26th, 2011, 07:55 AM
Yawn. I miss when Serena, Maria, Venus and Justine made finals regularly...

onebridgecafe
Feb 26th, 2011, 08:15 AM
No more Zvoniacki please

Smitten
Feb 26th, 2011, 08:38 AM
The rallies are way too long. Zvonareva, who is forced to be the aggressor by default, is too impotent off the ground.

LCS
Feb 26th, 2011, 11:14 AM
As a Wozniacki fan I quite enjoy them because so far Caroline has won them all. Hopefully that will continue tomorrow.

Caro tends to win them so I like them :lol:

I'm sure she woulod have traded them both for that semifinal loss at the USO ;)

Mr.Sharapova
Feb 26th, 2011, 11:42 AM
Yes, we need a grade A ballbasher like Kvitova to step it up and have Wozniacki running all over the place. A match with those two in peak form would be great.

Well if you've seen the Wimbledon match from last year, you'll know that is meant to be a one sided match, and you know at which side I'm referring to :)

Hian
Feb 26th, 2011, 11:48 AM
If they play a nice tennis, there is no reason to hate this kind of final.
I'd like a Pennetta vs Caciotti final, but it's not possible :p

terjw
Feb 26th, 2011, 12:01 PM
Compare it with other rivalries specially in finals, "tennis wise" of course.
Serena vs Venus: Err... no
Justine vs Kim: Seriously?
Sharapova vs Random Russian: No.

I think this rivalry is good enough.

Exactly. The finals in those matches were dreadful affairs with a few exceptions. Venus vs Serena at Wimbledon in 2008 was a good match. But no thanks for the others. Venuis vs Serena I'll give a miss to although I'd have liked to have seen a Kim vs Justine in their comebacks.

The Beijing final between Caro and Vera was definitelly the best. That was a great match. I'd have preferred JJ to have got in the final for today but I'm looking forward to the two best players playing in the final.

Randy H
Feb 26th, 2011, 12:04 PM
I detest Zvonareva in finals, it really doesn't seem to matter who she's against because she plays awful and nothing like she plays to get there.

Put them in a match where the stakes aren't as high, and I think the quality of the match improves significantly.

DownInAHole
Feb 26th, 2011, 12:30 PM
I think that Vera's mental fragility in finals is a bit overstated. She has won 10 titles (including Indian Wells) so it's not as if she has never won a final. It's true that in her two slam finals she was not at her best but I do not think that will be the case today. Vera and Caroline have played each other several times over the last six months or so and they should know each other's games very well. Their last final (Beijing) was competitive and I expect today's match to be close. I think Caroline will win but I don't think it will be easy and Vera certainly has a chance.

Matt01
Feb 26th, 2011, 12:43 PM
:spit: Except Vera won the most important one of all. +1 for Vera.


Which important final did Vera win against Wozniacki? :confused:

cellophane
Feb 26th, 2011, 12:45 PM
Which important final did Vera win against Wozniacki? :confused:

Important match, not final. USO 2010 SF

kman
Feb 26th, 2011, 12:49 PM
I'm sure she woulod have traded them both for that semifinal loss at the USO ;)

Question is would she have traded them for the thrasing Vera got in the final? Probably not :lol:

But sure, everyone would trade a couple of premier wins for a GS win, but then again, Zvonareva didn't win that slam and I'm sure she would've prefered Caroline's premier titles and the no. 1 ranking to getting embarassed in a slam final.

Matt01
Feb 26th, 2011, 12:51 PM
Important match, not final. USO 2010 SF


This thread is about their finals. Not semis, not quarters or anything else.

young_gunner913
Feb 26th, 2011, 12:56 PM
Yes. They are incredibly boring because Vera's a headcase and gets her ass handed to her. If she could hold her nerve against Caro and make it competitive, maybe, but that's too much to ask from her.

kman
Feb 26th, 2011, 12:58 PM
I think that Vera's mental fragility in finals is a bit overstated. She has won 10 titles (including Indian Wells) so it's not as if she has never won a final. It's true that in her two slam finals she was not at her best but I do not think that will be the case today. Vera and Caroline have played each other several times over the last six months or so and they should know each other's games very well. Their last final (Beijing) was competitive and I expect today's match to be close. I think Caroline will win but I don't think it will be easy and Vera certainly has a chance.

This is true. I have Caro as a 60/40 favorite but not more than that.

selestribe
Feb 26th, 2011, 01:20 PM
Pushniacki vs. Pushnareva

:lol: :help:

goldenlox
Feb 26th, 2011, 01:30 PM
I think what Wozniacki has done since Wimbledon is impressive.
Now its almost a given that Caro is the player to beat at Premiers. If she plays like this at majors, its her tour for the next few years.
Vera played Serena in the 2002 FO. She first made news beating Venus in 2003 FO. That ended the chance of a 6th straight all Williams slam final.
Vera just kept working and finally broke thru to this level. That's something to be proud of and be commended for.
But Caro is the better player & has a chance to be a great player.

MisterMan
Feb 26th, 2011, 01:32 PM
Get used to it. They both have a solid lock as 1 and 2 in the world !!

Patrick345
Feb 26th, 2011, 01:33 PM
Question is would she have traded them for the thrasing Vera got in the final? Probably not :lol:

But sure, everyone would trade a couple of premier wins for a GS win, but then again, Zvonareva didn't win that slam and I'm sure she would've prefered Caroline's premier titles and the no. 1 ranking to getting embarassed in a slam final.

Depends. Does that come with an huge forehead and a receding hairline at age 20?

DownInAHole
Feb 26th, 2011, 01:35 PM
Get used to it. They both have a solid lock as 1 and 2 in the world !!

There's a woman from Belgium that would like a word with you.

goldenlox
Feb 26th, 2011, 04:44 PM
If Vera keeps playing like this then there will be a lot of these finals, maybe in majors

scoobz
Feb 26th, 2011, 04:45 PM
Kim doesn't play for 2 weeks and she's completely forgotten :o

GoofyDuck
Feb 26th, 2011, 04:46 PM
^
Kvitova took care of that :drive:

scoobz
Feb 26th, 2011, 04:47 PM
Why is she the real #3 now as well?

Hopefully Kim will jog a few memories in Indian Wells.

edificio
Feb 26th, 2011, 04:48 PM
Vera, ya dun good.

Vikapower
Feb 26th, 2011, 04:50 PM
This debate is not about the williams sistas

:spit: Have you gone crazy !?

Martian Willow
Feb 26th, 2011, 04:53 PM
Yes. They are incredibly boring because Vera's a headcase and gets her ass handed to her. If she could hold her nerve against Caro and make it competitive, maybe, but that's too much to ask from her.

Is it still 2008 where you are.

Soliloque
Feb 26th, 2011, 04:54 PM
Yeah, Kim is the US hard court queen. She has lost 2 matches in the US since her come back. She'll take care of Woz and Zvo.

Shinjiro
Feb 26th, 2011, 04:55 PM
I'll take a rain check on the windy ones.

pav
Feb 26th, 2011, 05:17 PM
Probably Piotr at this time!

Bonfire
Feb 26th, 2011, 05:30 PM
I still don't detest them. But I like them less now than I did an hour ago:sad:;)

Bingain
Feb 26th, 2011, 07:40 PM
Kim doesn't play for 2 weeks and she's completely forgotten :o

Because Kim is too old-schooled. When was the last time she tweeted????????

Corswandt
Feb 26th, 2011, 09:41 PM
Anybody else absolutely detest Wozniacki-Zvonareva finals?

I find them boring. It feels like watching a practice session (see their Beijing match - both hitting the same midpace rally ball over and over and over and over again) at best, and a total horror show at worst.

Today's final was one of the least bad, in that Wozniacka played aggressively, if only in patches, and Zvonareva played a smart and very solid match. Even though the right player won that time as well, their USO match (yes, I know it wasn't a final) was poor quality as Wozniacka played shite.

Linguae^
Feb 26th, 2011, 09:57 PM
There's anyone who doesn't? :o

Ralph214
Feb 26th, 2011, 10:53 PM
Woz-Bepa Semifinals are awesome but I'd rather have only one of them in the finals ...

goldenlox
Feb 26th, 2011, 10:57 PM
There was a very good crowd for this final. They played now 5 times since Wimbledon, 3 finals, and SF of USO, YEC
If Vera plays this well, their going to meet a lot.

pav
Feb 26th, 2011, 11:12 PM
:spit: Have you gone crazy !?
No because if you can be so silly as to call two very good players useless ,then why am I crazy for doing the same thing. It is the same as one's in this thread arrogantly going on about boring, practice session type play etc. it is just stupid, if they don't like watching some players, then just don't watch the fuckers, instead of trying to belittle them.

delicatecutter
Feb 27th, 2011, 12:08 AM
Not just their finals. :tape:

Of all the players who should be able to deal with Wozniacki fairly easily, it's Zvonaryova. The fact that she lost all those matches was frustrating, to say the least. At least she got the win today.

Vikapower
Feb 27th, 2011, 12:52 AM
No because if you can be so silly as to call two very good players useless ,then why am I crazy for doing the same thing. It is the same as one's in this thread arrogantly going on about boring, practice session type play etc. it is just stupid, if they don't like watching some players, then just don't watch the fuckers, instead of trying to belittle them.

:shrug: Your answer is very disproportionate :

Serena + Venus = 19 majors in singles (8 finals - win % : 70.37), 12 majors in doubles... they're 70+ WTA tour titles combined and many others... in wich other world than yours that Rena and Vee are useless !?

The sisters has revolutionized the game and their absence weight on the tour negatively everytime they're away... take Caro Woz and Zvo off the tour their'd be no difference without them... useless is the shorter to all these phrases.

goldenlox
Feb 27th, 2011, 12:57 AM
... take Caro Woz and Zvo off the tour their'd be no difference without them... useless is the shorter to all these phrases.I got news for you, Caro & Vera have a lot more points than everyone except Kim.
Take them both off the tour, almost every tournament would be different. They have a huge affect on every tournament they're in.
There would be about $8million in prizemoney to spread around, plus those points.

matty
Feb 27th, 2011, 01:01 AM
No. I like it better when a variety of players get to the finals--Kim (and now Woz) in every final gets boring.

Wiggly
Feb 27th, 2011, 01:06 AM
I got news for you, Caro & Vera have a lot more points than everyone except Kim.
Take them both off the tour, almost every tournament would be different. They have a huge affect on every tournament they're in.
There would be about $8million in prizemoney to spread around, plus those points.

Vera is one of the nicest player around.
However, no "casual" fan would remember she played two Slam finals.

I hardly drop her name makes an entire city run down to the ticket office.
The "huge affect" is pretty much her ranking factor.

The truth is, a tournament can say they have 6 top ten players but if they don't have Maria, Serena, Venus or Kim, tickets may be hard to sell.

goldenlox
Feb 27th, 2011, 01:16 AM
The "casual" fan doesnt know Zvonareva, but they know who won majors and they know if you didnt then you dont exist.
These "casual" fans are amazing. And they'd better get used to seeing Caro & Vera, because those 2 seem to be playing at the business end of almost every tournament

pav
Feb 27th, 2011, 01:25 AM
What gets me is people calling players like Bepa and Woz "useless" "Boring" "Club level" "Talentless"to call any of the top 50 that sort of thing is stupid. Just say you don't like them.

goldenlox
Feb 27th, 2011, 01:26 AM
What gets me is people calling players like Bepa and Woz "useless" "Boring" "Club level" "Talentless"to call any of the top 50 that sort of thing is stupid. Just say you don't like them.
Top 50? They're talking about 2 of the top 3.

terjw
Feb 27th, 2011, 01:31 AM
Vera is one of the nicest player around.
However, no "casual" fan would remember she played two Slam finals.

I hardly drop her name makes an entire city run down to the ticket office.
The "huge affect" is pretty much her ranking factor.

The truth is, a tournament can say they have 6 top ten players but if they don't have Maria, Serena, Venus or Kim, tickets may be hard to sell.

Tennis-wise casual fans remember things that happened at Wimbledon in this country. So if they followed Wimbledon - they probably will remember Vera. They will definitely remeber JJ because she won the Mixed with Jamie Murray and that was talked about all the time - eclipsed the Willies final a lot of the time.

The casual fan won't remember or even knows the winners at the other slams as opposed to events at the home slam unless it's something bumped up in the news like Kim's comeback as a Mum winning USO 2009. They know Serena, Venus, Justine, Kim, Sharapova because they've been around a long time and they have made the news. Plus they are at Wimbledon as favourites.

Corswandt
Feb 27th, 2011, 12:35 PM
There was a very good crowd for this final.

Nobody watched it on TV though, as it was played at nearly the exact same time as Nole vs Fed in Dubai.

goldenlox
Feb 27th, 2011, 12:38 PM
That's an issue for the WTA & Doha tournament officials.

freeandlonely
Feb 27th, 2011, 02:00 PM
Important match, not final. USO 2010 SF

thank you...
now I know how less I care about...
but I actually remember Kim's child that ceremony...

Burisleif
Feb 27th, 2011, 02:37 PM
Nobody watched it on TV though, as it was played at nearly the exact same time as Nole vs Fed in Dubai.

No doubt your going to post the actual figures any minute now to back up your statement?

Vikapower
Feb 27th, 2011, 02:53 PM
I got news for you, Caro & Vera have a lot more points than everyone except Kim.
Take them both off the tour, almost every tournament would be different. They have a huge affect on every tournament they're in.
There would be about $8million in prizemoney to spread around, plus those points.

:lol: You really know how to dramatize things for Sunshine... This reasoning would work for Kimmie who indeed'd have a huge affect on every tournament... in wich way now would that apply to Caro Woz or Vera !?

What gets me is people calling players like Bepa and Woz "useless" "Boring" "Club level" "Talentless"to call any of the top 50 that sort of thing is stupid. Just say you don't like them.

It's not the top 50... my sig :scratch: anyways [...]

[...] Vera and Kuzzie are players I dislike because of Maria... Vera's on-court attitude is repulsive even if I must obsverve she changed quite a little bit... Kuzzie she makes me more laugh with her headcases and sloppy attitude...

It's true that I profoundly do not like her H2H to Maria - I concead this to be a kiddish all fan-made reason for free-hating... but I still haven't understood yet how comes she owns Maria on "Open hard"... everything can't be perfect...

Caro Woz there's a canyon that can never be filled one day between us 2...

Ballbasher
Feb 27th, 2011, 03:08 PM
That's an issue for the WTA & Doha tournament officials.
No it isn't.
A Sharapova/Ivanovic final would have (still) been more competitive in comparison to a Djokovic/Federer final. Still less, but definetely more than there were for Wozniacki/Zvonareva. Both of these girls are too unspecial to be really noticed and that needs to change.

goldenlox
Feb 27th, 2011, 03:10 PM
They are so "unspecial" they made the final.
Sharapova & Ivanovic are so "special" they arent winning many Premier finals the past year

mariavikafan
Feb 27th, 2011, 03:15 PM
They are so "unspecial" they made the final.
Sharapova & Ivanovic are so "special" they arent winning many Premier finals the past year

Yet they are still more attractive even though they are both struggling right now. It's the way it is, deal with it.

goldenlox
Feb 27th, 2011, 03:18 PM
They dont come more special than Wozniacki. She is the young superstar of the tour. 20 years old old and ranked #1, holding 7 titles now.
With a good chance that she is the star of the tour for the next 5 years.
Zvonareva's last 3 majors are F, F, SF. So if majors are all you care about, Vera is #2 to Kim in recent slam results.

Vikapower
Feb 27th, 2011, 03:22 PM
They dont come more special than Wozniacki. She is the young superstar of the tour. 20 years old and ranked #1, holding 7 titles now.
With a good chance that she is the star of the tour for the next 5 years.
Zvonareva's last 3 majors are F, F, SF. So if majors are all you care about, Vera is #2 to Kim in recent slam results.

You just need to deal with the fact that Caro Woz will never have as much charism as Ana or Maria... as hard as she tries... end.

goldenlox
Feb 27th, 2011, 03:24 PM
You just need to deal with the fact that Caro Woz will never have as much charism as Ana or Maria... as hard as she tries... end.You had better deal with Caro being the star of the tour. There's only so much to talk about when players have irrelevant results over years.
It comes down to 1 player being in almost every big final or the semi before it. And she is 20 and still improving.

Patrick345
Feb 27th, 2011, 03:31 PM
Yet they are still more attractive even though they are both struggling right now. It's the way it is, deal with it.

..and that´s why they do all the photoshoots, while Wozniacki and Zvonareva do the tennis thing more than once every week. You´ll have to deal with that.:lol:

mariavikafan
Feb 27th, 2011, 03:31 PM
You had better deal with Caro being the star of the tour. There's only so much to talk about when players have irrelevant results over years.
It comes down to 1 player being in almost every big final or the semi before it. And she is 20 and still improving.

:lol: you're overreacting Caro will never be THE star of the tour with WS, Maria and Ana around. But you right she is young, she is new people want to know who she is but sadly as long as there is real breakthrough at majors she will stay where she is, an asset in minor tournaments.

goldenlox
Feb 27th, 2011, 03:34 PM
Stay where she is, which is at #1 holding 7 titles.
You'd better hope things dont stay where they are.

mariavikafan
Feb 27th, 2011, 03:40 PM
..and that´s why they do all the photoshoots, while Wozniacki and Zvonareva do the tennis thing more than once every week. You´ll have to deal with that.:lol:

Please, Maria been there and done that. Right now she is at a different step with this injury, Caro and Zvo can take all Premiers they want as long as majors aren't in her hands, I'm cool with that:wavey:

Vikapower
Feb 27th, 2011, 03:41 PM
You had better deal with Caro being the star of the tour. There's only so much to talk about when players have irrelevant results over years.
It comes down to 1 player being in almost every big final or the semi before it. And she is 20 and still improving.

It's a good deal for Caro Woz to be recognized for her results than for things else... it'll make her great...

But to call her a star or superstar is a comedy... and in order to be called so she needs "charisma" something she just doesn't have and will never have... it's innate... you have it or not...

The next players I can see as maybe the next superstars of the tour after Ana are the german sisters Julia/Andrea and the intringuing Kvitova.

goldenlox
Feb 27th, 2011, 03:43 PM
Staying at #1 makes a player a star. Caro is heading towards 5 months, and iw will be about her and kim as long as they are both in it. They are in a battle for #1

Bonfire
Feb 27th, 2011, 03:44 PM
No it isn't.
Both of these girls are too unspecial to be really noticed and that needs to change.

Yet they are still more attractive even though they are both struggling right now. It's the way it is, deal with it.

You just need to deal with the fact that Caro Woz will never have as much charism as Ana or Maria... as hard as she tries... end.

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Always unbelievable to me that some posters will trash certain players (Caro, Vera,etc.) considering alot of the players in their sigs/avatars aren't doing anything to make noise on an actual tennis court these days.
Shameless!

goldenlox
Feb 27th, 2011, 03:47 PM
:cuckoo:

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Always unbelievable to me that some posters will trash certain players (Caro, Vera,etc.) considering alot of the players in their sigs/avatars aren't doing anything to make noise on an actual tennis court these days.
Shameless!
I agree, and I understand the kournikova factor, but it doesnt match up to a young star being world number 1

mauresmofan
Feb 27th, 2011, 03:50 PM
I really like them it's nice to see some thoughtful tennis and no shrieking for a change plus they get on with it and don't look for the towel/ tuck invisible strands of hair behind their ears/ turn their back on their opponent who's ready to serve already and jog up and down on the spot/ bouce the ball a gazillion times before serving. They haven't even played that many times it's not like a week in week out Hingis Davenport rivalry or a Henin/Clijsters one. Personally I think tennis wins with their brand of tennis because they put a lot of thought into what they are doing and it's not just a wham bam thank you ma'am deal.

Vikapower
Feb 27th, 2011, 03:55 PM
:cuckoo:

:cuckoo:

:cuckoo:

Always unbelievable to me that some posters will trash certain players (Caro, Vera,etc.) considering alot of the players in their sigs/avatars aren't doing anything to make noise on an actual tennis court these days.
Shameless!

This statement is so wrong... the age-thing works for Caro but never for others... Julia is 21, Maria 23, Sori 21, Nastya just 19, Bojana 19, Petra 20, Vika 21...

If you think their actual form and achievements will stay as it is you're wrong... :lol: Caro Woz is/was lucky to have peaked before them but that doesn't mean they willn't too...

...and if a player like Kvitova peaks and clicks anytime soon, considering her game or if vintage Maria resurges there's going to be some very heavy damage on the tour even for the great Kimmie.

It's most preferable for Caro or Vera that the situation stays as it is.

Bonfire
Feb 27th, 2011, 04:06 PM
I agree, and I understand the kournikova factor, but it doesnt match up to a young star being world number 1

Agree...I would much rather Caro be good at continuing to improve her game, win titles and hold her ranking than be the best at taking amazing glamorous photo shoots and being a "star." And to be honest...in the future(once she has won a slam(s) and has more firmly established herself as the top player...it will become more clear that Caro does have all of that in her. She's so young now and thankfully more focused on her tennis. The "star" factor will continue to grow with her though especially with the more she wins.

goldenlox
Feb 27th, 2011, 04:08 PM
Caro is doing a photoshoot this week for adidas. She's doing commercials and photoshoots. And she's still winning, and a very relevant player at every tournament. Always the #1 seed at every tournament she plays, for months with more to come.

Bonfire
Feb 27th, 2011, 04:23 PM
This statement is so wrong... the age-thing works for Caro but never for others... Julia is 21, Maria 23, Sori 21, Nastya just 19, Bojana 19, Petra 20, Vika 21...

If you think their actual form and achievements will stay as it is you're wrong... :lol: Caro Woz is/was lucky to have peaked before them but that doesn't mean they willn't too...

...and if a player like Kvitova peaks and clicks anytime soon, considering her game or if vintage Maria resurges there's going to be some very heavy damage on the tour even for the great Kimmie.

It's most preferable for Caro or Vera that the situation stays as it is.

I have never said or discredited any player's achievements and future prospects on the tour. This isn't a competition for me to have the "best" player as my player. I hope that Vika, Kvitova, Maria, etc. can find more success on the court and I'm sure they will. They are also very young and obviously talented. In fact...if they have more to give and show...I hope they bring it asap because although I like Caro at the top, I want to watch solid competition for it regardless of who is winning more.

My post was referring to how some people are trying to grab at whatever they can just to bash Caro...I think mainly out of jealousy because they want to put down any player that is having success that isn't "their" player. I mean...everyone including me has done it before but some of you are just out of control with it:lol: that's all really

Vikapower
Feb 27th, 2011, 04:29 PM
Agree...I would much rather Caro be good at continuing to improve her game, win titles and hold her ranking than be the best at taking amazing glamorous photo shoots and being a "star." And to be honest...in the future(once she has won a slam(s) and has more firmly established herself as the top player...it will become more clear that Caro does have all of that in her. She's so young now and thankfully more focused on her tennis. The "star" factor will continue to grow with her though especially with the more she wins.

Do you really know the word "charisma" !?

Cha-ris-ma n. 1. A rare quality of power of individuals who show exceptional ability for winning the devotion of large numbers of people.

For example Maria, Ana, WS, Federer, Nadal... other examples Leo Messi, Ronaldinho, Usain Bolt, Marie-José Perrec, Christiano Ronaldo... these players emulates crowds, makes you want to play the game, to follow them, they ignate passion where ever they go... even if Caro Woz wins a major she's just doesn't have that...

Second of all Maria and Ana weren't the best at making photoshoots... at some point in time they were also the very best of the sport so once again you're completely way over the par...

Bonfire
Feb 27th, 2011, 04:34 PM
Do you really know the word "charisma" !?



For example Maria, Ana, WS, Federer, Nadal... other examples Leo Messi, Ronaldinho, Usain Bolt, Marie-José Perrec, Christiano Ronaldo... these players emulates crowds, makes you want to play the game, to follow them, they ignate passion where ever they go... even if Caro Woz wins a major she's just doesn't have that...

Second of all Maria and Ana weren't the best at making photoshoots... at some point in time they were also the very best of the sport so once again you're completely way over the par...

Yes I know what charisma is.
And by the definition of charisma...Caroline has already proven that she has it.

Patrick345
Feb 27th, 2011, 04:36 PM
Do you really know the word "charisma" !?



For example Maria, Ana, WS, Federer, Nadal... other examples Leo Messi, Ronaldinho, Usain Bolt, Marie-José Perrec, Christiano Ronaldo... these players emulates crowds, makes you want to play the game, to follow them, they ignate passion where ever they go... even if Caro Woz wins a major she's just doesn't have that...

Second of all Maria and Ana weren't the best at making photoshoots... at some point in time they were also the very best of the sport so once again you're completely way over the par...

If they have so much charisma why does Jankovic always win the Serbian popularity contests and every Russian president wants to sleep with Elena and not Maria. :confused: :devil:

cellophane
Feb 27th, 2011, 04:53 PM
If they have so much charisma why does Jankovic always win the Serbian popularity contests and every Russian president wants to sleep with Elena and not Maria. :confused: :devil:


Cos Maria is American :devil:

Vikapower
Feb 27th, 2011, 04:54 PM
If they have so much charisma why does Jankovic always win the Serbian popularity contests and every Russian president wants to sleep with Elena and not Maria. :confused: :devil:

Lol I completely forgot to mention Elena and Miss Jelena... :angel: ...though Ana >>>> Jelena not even close...

They maybe don't have or will never win a major in Jelena's case but they're longtime more crowd attracting than the Dane IMO...

Kworb
Feb 27th, 2011, 05:13 PM
Yesterday's final was good. Probably the most entertaining match I've seen them play.

Randy H
Feb 27th, 2011, 07:31 PM
I got news for you, Caro & Vera have a lot more points than everyone except Kim.
Take them both off the tour, almost every tournament would be different. They have a huge affect on every tournament they're in.
There would be about $8million in prizemoney to spread around, plus those points.

Sure the points and the money are allocated elsewhere with their absense, but do casual tennis fans and people outside their fan base actually feel their presence missing? I don't think so.

Before them it was Safina winning titles and playing slam finals (and not winning them), do casual fans notice she's missing? Probably not. Heck, I barely even notice she's missing from the top.

The only way casual fans are going to get "used" to Wozniacki and Zvonareva is if they start winning the biggest titles - Not knocking the titles they have won because they are all good tournaments and any victory is great, but they are not the events that casual fans are following closely to be remembered.

goldenlox
Feb 27th, 2011, 07:42 PM
I dont buy that "casual" fans know who won the majors but never heard of the player in the Wimbledon & USO finals. That means these casual fans dont watch the slam finals, but they're experts on who won them.
And never heard of the #1 for the last 5 months, who is #1 seed at every tournament.
So casual fans only know who won majors, then they know all about Schiavone and Kuznetsova.

Shinjiro
Feb 27th, 2011, 08:21 PM
The Italians sure do.

Randy H
Feb 27th, 2011, 08:26 PM
I dont buy that "casual" fans know who won the majors but never heard of the player in the Wimbledon & USO finals. That means these casual fans dont watch the slam finals, but they're experts on who won them.
And never heard of the #1 for the last 5 months, who is #1 seed at every tournament.
So casual fans only know who won majors, then they know all about Schiavone and Kuznetsova.

Whether they do or don't still doesn't prove your argument that the two of them have a 'huge effect' in the grand scheme of the tour.

Neither of them have proven themselves at the very top of the sport (winning majors) to think they would be all that missed if they went absent. Like I said, Safina was pretty well in their shoes not too long ago, and I don't believe that her being away from the top is noticed beyond her fan base.

Whether you're a fan of Sharapova, Serena, Venus, Justine or not, you notice when their name is not in the field of a big event or around the top of the world rankings.

goldenlox
Feb 27th, 2011, 08:33 PM
If you're a fan of Sharapova, Henin then you know when you put on the USO or AO, you werent watching them.
Williams sisters are known, but even "casual" fans know they arent winning anything for a long time now. Since last July.

Randy H
Feb 27th, 2011, 08:46 PM
If you're a fan of Sharapova, Henin then you know when you put on the USO or AO, you werent watching them.
Williams sisters are known, but even "casual" fans know they arent winning anything for a long time now. Since last July.

And their absence of winning anything is missed - It's actually pretty sad that it's been that long without any of them winning anything, and a casual fan still likely couldn't tell you who the #1 ranked player is.

If Wozniacki had been away since last July, no one beyond her fan base would have been bothered or noticed she was missing.

I'm not a fan nor am I a "hater" of either Wozniacki or Zvonareva, and perhaps some of their not being known also comes down to poor marketing from the WTA (something that I feel has been a problem with them for a long time now), but at the same time there is only so much marketing a tour can do. The best marketing is winning when it counts, something these two haven't figured out how to do (yet). I actually think Wozniacki has the potential to be a well known tennis name - She has the long blonde hair good looks, she seems pretty fan friendly and personable...What's missing? The kind of major success that can put you on the map and into that next level. Seems pretty obvious, no?

madmax
Feb 27th, 2011, 09:40 PM
If you're a fan of Sharapova, Henin then you know when you put on the USO or AO, you werent watching them.
Williams sisters are known, but even "casual" fans know they arent winning anything for a long time now. Since last July.

the same casual fans are seeing part - time playing mum playing mediocre tennis and collecting all the slams out there...now does this sound like a good advertisement for the tour to you? The fact that Maria and Henin are struggling are negatives to the tour, you must be blind or delusional to deny this fact actually

goldenlox
Feb 27th, 2011, 09:45 PM
Henin is retired. She had a bad injury. And so did Maria.
There's no pro sport where everybody stays healthy and in top form forever.
Caroline is an upcoming star in the sport. That's the way it is.

Randy H
Feb 27th, 2011, 10:21 PM
Henin is retired. She had a bad injury. And so did Maria.
There's no pro sport where everybody stays healthy and in top form forever.
Caroline is an upcoming star in the sport. That's the way it is.

When your #1 ranked player is considered an upcoming star (something that might sound right for someone moving up and ranked say, #10), there's a bit of a problem.

goldenlox
Feb 27th, 2011, 10:24 PM
It depends on your definition of 'star'.
Sports Business Journal says Caro made $9 million in 2010. She's in tv commercials. Her matches are on tv a lot.
I think the only question is how big a star she winds up. Potentially, she could be the WTA's biggest star in a few years.

ANz
Feb 28th, 2011, 05:58 AM
If they have so much charisma why does Jankovic always win the Serbian popularity contests and every Russian president wants to sleep with Elena and not Maria. :confused: :devil:

This was Alina Kabaeva. Get your facts right! She is not even a tennis player. But Ana will look ugly next to her.

goat
Feb 28th, 2011, 08:09 AM
For those who argue that slams are necessary etc etc. I don't think Sharapova, Kournikova (arguably the sports biggest icon) and Ivanovic are/were known for their sporting achievements to the 'casual tennis fans' hence why it is not slams which generate interest but beautiful women.

go hingis
Feb 28th, 2011, 10:54 AM
Enjoyed the doha final

Mr.Sharapova
Feb 28th, 2011, 11:32 AM
Staying at #1 makes a player a star. Caro is heading towards 5 months, and iw will be about her and kim as long as they are both in it. They are in a battle for #1

No it doesn't :rolleyes:

Does Kurnikova ring a bell :rolleyes:

sammy01
Feb 28th, 2011, 11:51 AM
For those who argue that slams are necessary etc etc. I don't think Sharapova, Kournikova (arguably the sports biggest icon) and Ivanovic are/were known for their sporting achievements to the 'casual tennis fans' hence why it is not slams which generate interest but beautiful women.

yes but there are more beautiful women through the ranks than sharapova, yet she is the IT girl. answer is because she won slams, so the sponsors can use her as she is on t.v, in the papers ect

R8tmo
Feb 28th, 2011, 03:32 PM
Absolutely enjoyed the Vera/Caro final. Saw some great rallies and come from behinds. Was rooting for Caro, but come away very impressed with maturity shown by Vera this year. In the past she's lost her temper and wilted when down. Lately, especially in Doha she's weathered the adversity and come out of trouble impressively. Almost got a beating from Hantuchova in QF, then went another 3 sets vs Jankovic. Thought she'd be out of energy by the finals. Caro was playing better than ever vs Penneta and Bartoli. Maybe Caro let up on her forehand and aggressiveness but didn't play badly. Vera just put her complete game on. Applauds for Z-Von!

Ballbasher
Mar 2nd, 2011, 04:10 PM
They dont come more special than Wozniacki. She is the young superstar of the tour. 20 years old old and ranked #1, holding 7 titles now.
With a good chance that she is the star of the tour for the next 5 years.
Zvonareva's last 3 majors are F, F, SF. So if majors are all you care about, Vera is #2 to Kim in recent slam results.
oh they come more special than Caroline. She is a nice girl and everything, but just doesn't cut it in terms of media presence outside of sports so far. But I strongly hope that it will change in the years to come. Tennis needs Serenas and Marias. Vera is completely irrelevant in these terms sadly.

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:cuckoo:

Always unbelievable to me that some posters will trash certain players (Caro, Vera,etc.) considering alot of the players in their sigs/avatars aren't doing anything to make noise on an actual tennis court these days.
Shameless!
:rolls: I didn't trash them, but enough posters have pointed out already, that they are not well-known in the media at all.
And what do they have to do with players in my ava/sigs for instance. :tape:

Shooter
Mar 5th, 2011, 01:47 AM
I thought it was a very good final. I enjoyed it. Both ladies played well. It was good for the sport. Both of these ladies are good for the sport too.

Olórin
Mar 6th, 2011, 02:13 PM
I thought it was a very good final. I enjoyed it. Both ladies played well. It was good for the sport. Both of these ladies are good for the sport too.

I agree, basically. The final was good, it is the kind of final that will please fans viewing on TV and spectators in the stadium alike. However, this is about as good as finals between these two get (and about as good as finals generally seem to be these days), we need a classic match every now and then to attract new fans and turn casuals into diehards.