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fantic
Feb 25th, 2011, 02:33 PM
I'm just watching Woz : Bartoli match and am pleasantly surprised.
I haven't seen Woz since the Aussie Open, and now she seems to be more aggressive, aiming at the corner from 'both' wings, coming up to the net..
If this trend(if it is true) continues, it'll be really hard to win against her...

VishaalMaria
Feb 25th, 2011, 02:35 PM
Well It's hard to know if Wozniack has become more aggressive and thus is hitting more winners, or if it's just indicative of how slow Bartoli is.

I still feel a faster player would have hit a lot of shots as passing winners IMHO, against Wozniacki.

However, Wozniacki played extremely well yesterday. So maybe it is her game evolving.

legolas1
Feb 25th, 2011, 02:37 PM
She's been playing like this for a few weeks.

But yeah, I was also surprised to see this.

People calling her a pusher obviously haven't been following her matches lately.

ViceUltramontain
Feb 25th, 2011, 02:38 PM
First, she has to repeat it against bigger names and in bigger stages. It's one thing to hit winners against Bartoli in Doha. It's another to hit winners agaisnt great defensers like Serena or Kim in a Grand Slam.

But, still, she's doing what she's expected to do (improve her game and be more agressive). Good for her.

Kworb
Feb 25th, 2011, 02:42 PM
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Caralenko
Feb 25th, 2011, 02:43 PM
It's kinda old now, but:

http://i36.tinypic.com/11m4zkl.png

sabatani82
Feb 25th, 2011, 02:43 PM
bartoli have some mental problem???? some handicap in her brain,strange movement,fast attck with leg ahahahahha:devil:

iPatty
Feb 25th, 2011, 02:51 PM
Bartoli is one of the easiest players to hit winners against on the tour. We'll see if Wozniacki continues this aggressive attitude in the slams because that's the only way she's winning one.

GoofyDuck
Feb 25th, 2011, 02:52 PM
Players forum.

Mr.Sharapova
Feb 25th, 2011, 02:53 PM
As soon as Bartoli starts hitting the ball hard and consistent Caro is just out.

In some points played when Bartoli was 1-3 down she outplayed Caro. Caro is not doing anything extraordinary in my honest opinion :)

Mynarco
Feb 25th, 2011, 02:57 PM
Bartoli's serve is woeful tonight.

fantic
Feb 25th, 2011, 02:57 PM
I was more reminded of the manga Dragon Ball Z :lol:

Well yes, maybe Woz got more winners because Bartoli is the opponent, but there's no denying that Woz IS playing more aggressive.

Hope she can keep this up :yeah:

GoofyDuck
Feb 25th, 2011, 03:08 PM
I think for atleast 1 year Caroline has beaten every player with a negative winner/UE ratio if Bartoli doesn't step it up Caro's consistensy will sadly but true outlast her.

cellophane
Feb 25th, 2011, 03:11 PM
No, she is as dull as always... Bartoli is just woeful tonight

kman
Feb 25th, 2011, 03:24 PM
She's been evolving all along you dumbtards. You've just been too busy counting winners to see it.

Vikapower
Feb 25th, 2011, 03:24 PM
Bartoli is one of the easiest players to hit winners against on the tour. We'll see if Wozniacki continues this aggressive attitude in the slams because that's the only way she's winning one.
This. Her lack of reach with the 2 double handers and her footwork.

Noctis
Feb 25th, 2011, 03:28 PM
Players like Ballbashing Marion cant move well enough if Wozniacki stretch her. leaves open court.
only players that can stays on the baseline like Serena,Venus,Kim,Petra,Na who moves well also,can beat her.

auntie janie
Feb 25th, 2011, 03:30 PM
Yes, her game is definitely evolving. Hard to see how anyone could think otherwise.

cellophane
Feb 25th, 2011, 03:31 PM
Yes, her game is definitely evolving. Hard to see how anyone could think otherwise.

Why... because she can hit winners against Pennetta and Bartoli? :lol:

Cp6uja
Feb 25th, 2011, 03:32 PM
Nope...
Tour regressing :shrug:

pov
Feb 25th, 2011, 03:33 PM
I'm just watching Woz : Bartoli match and am pleasantly surprised.
I haven't seen Woz since the Aussie Open, and now she seems to be more aggressive, aiming at the corner from 'both' wings, coming up to the net..
If this trend(if it is true) continues, it'll be really hard to win against her...
:yeah: Yeah. She's developing at a fast rate. Although I always thought the "pusher" criticisms were stupid, her game did used to be kinda boring to watch. Now I enjoy watching her play.

goldenlox
Feb 25th, 2011, 03:36 PM
She's 20 and one win from her 14th title.
She is putting a lot of numbers on the board.
Weeks at #1, number of titles, career prizemoney.
If she does start winning majors, and I expect her to, she will be the player to beat in this next era that is just starting.

pov
Feb 25th, 2011, 03:37 PM
Bartoli is one of the easiest players to hit winners against on the tour. We'll see if Wozniacki continues this aggressive attitude in the slams because that's the only way she's winning one.
Ah yes. Because:
- Playing in a major is sooooo different from playing in a Premier tourney.
- Players like Bartoli don't play in majors.
- Only aggressive play wins majors.

:haha:

legolas1
Feb 25th, 2011, 03:38 PM
The question is not which plays she is hitting winners against rather than that she is going for them more now than she used to. That's what OP had in mind.

TennisFan66
Feb 25th, 2011, 03:39 PM
Most of the Xbox playing posters here in GM wouldn't get it anyway, so whats the point in talking about Caro's tennis development; what they're working on in her training etc here in GM? ..

I'll answer that myself: Waste of time.

fantic
Feb 25th, 2011, 03:40 PM
The question is not which plays she is hitting winners against rather than that she is going for them more now than she used to. That's what OP had in mind.

thx for elucidating ;)

Smitten
Feb 25th, 2011, 03:42 PM
So it is completely acceptable to consider Wozniacki a better player by judging performances against Pennetta and Bartoli, but it is unfair if we judge her performances against Clijsters and Williams.

Mikey.
Feb 25th, 2011, 03:45 PM
She has definitely improved over the last few weeks. :eek:

scoobz
Feb 25th, 2011, 03:48 PM
I certainly hope so, it might make her more entertaining to watch, as well as secure some majors and prove she's the real deal, not just the nightwatch champion.

bandabou
Feb 25th, 2011, 03:49 PM
Remember: winning the Doha's and Dubai's of the world isn't the barometer for a no.1. It's at RG, Wimbledon and the U.S. open that we will see if Caro has learned anything at all.

C. Drone
Feb 25th, 2011, 03:49 PM
good for us. :)

CloudAtlas
Feb 25th, 2011, 03:51 PM
So it is completely acceptable to consider Wozniacki a better player by judging performances against Pennetta and Bartoli, but it is unfair if we judge her performances against Clijsters and Williams.


I don't get what you mean. She's played Serena twice , holding match point against her in 3 tough sets the 1st time and retiring the 2nd time. Same number of matches with Kim , one going to 3 sets and the other being in a Grand Slam final and two close sets. You can't criticise her for those matches at all.

And don't bring Venus into t considering the last time they played Venus was a reigning GS champion and Caroline barely top 50.

rochelle100
Feb 25th, 2011, 03:58 PM
I still don't like her but she has improved a lot. She still would not have the most entertaining matches for me but it's good to see her being a bit more aggressive and hitting more winners.

LoveFifteen
Feb 25th, 2011, 04:00 PM
Caroline is improving and pushing less. It's true. Most TFers won't realize it though cuz they just waste time online, and don't actually watch much tennis when their fave isn't playing. :lol:

That being said, Caroline does still push too much to be a true pleasure to watch, but she's nowhere near as dull as she was a few years ago.

legolas1
Feb 25th, 2011, 04:01 PM
But I expect Caro to be made to defend more when she plays someone with a real firepower, it would be strange if she transformed herself THAT much. It will be interesting to see her tactics in such matches, if she will try to land the first strike.

scoobz
Feb 25th, 2011, 04:03 PM
The key test will be when she's back in a pressure situation and all the marbles are in play - will she revert to a totally passive mindset again because it's how she's most comfortable playing, and then lose the initiative?

For me, if she's healthy she needs to make it to a slam final this season and make it competitive even if she doesn't win it.

AcesHigh
Feb 25th, 2011, 04:03 PM
Caroline is improving and pushing less. It's true. Most TFers won't realize it though cuz they just waste time online, and don't actually watch much tennis when their fave isn't playing. :lol:

That being said, Caroline does still push too much to be a true pleasure to watch, but she's nowhere near as dull as she was a few years ago.

WTF does it mean to "push"? :shrug: I'm sure you have a better vocabulary than that.

fantic
Feb 25th, 2011, 04:06 PM
but Doha and Dubai is a pretty good tournament, no? She was criticized for winning only MM tourneys not long ago :lol:

scoobz
Feb 25th, 2011, 04:08 PM
I think until Caro wins a tournament that features Venus, Serena and Kim (and let's face it, that's likely to be a slam) and beats one or more of them to do so, there will be those who feel she's not proven herself and she's just a placeholder cos the other three don't play enough to get the ranking.

AcesHigh
Feb 25th, 2011, 04:10 PM
I think until Caro wins a tournament that features Venus, Serena and Kim (and let's face it, that's likely to be a slam) and beats one or more of them to do so, there will be those who feel she's not proven herself and she's just a placeholder cos the other three don't play enough to get the ranking.

You can remove Venus from that sentence sadly

auntie janie
Feb 25th, 2011, 04:12 PM
Why... because she can hit winners against Pennetta and Bartoli? :lol:

No, because she can change up her game depending on the type of player she's up against, and she's doing it more and more effectively every month.

It's been fun reading on this board about Woz's continuous luck and her opponent's bad days as she wins match after match after match. At some point I think it has to occur to people that it's her game that is causing much of that "luck" and those bad days for those opponents, whether they recognize it or not.

Sure, she still has to step up and do it in a Slam; that she hasn't done so yet, at this young age, is not proof that her game is not evolving year by year.

scoobz
Feb 25th, 2011, 04:16 PM
You can remove Venus from that sentence sadly

I'm not quite ready to totally write her off - though they may be few and far between now, I think she's still capable of a few hurrahs.

LoveFifteen
Feb 25th, 2011, 05:00 PM
WTF does it mean to "push"? :shrug: I'm sure you have a better vocabulary than that.

Push is a legitimate tennis word. Even commentators use it. :shrug:

It's when a player runs every ball down, hit it back deep with lots of spin for safety, and isn't hitting the ball back with any strategy to take over the point and start dictating play. There's nothing wrong with defense and/or counter-punching, but pushing -- to me -- is when there is no strategy in seeking to take control of the point even though you're the player with less power.

How else would you describe the style of Smashnova, for example?

tkutsaar
Feb 25th, 2011, 05:24 PM
... Caro is not doing anything extraordinary in my honest opinion :)



I think you are on to something there. This winning every match she plays is becoming old hat, nothing extraordinary about it at all.

propi
Feb 25th, 2011, 05:28 PM
For XXXXs sake, the girl is 20 years old, she has been labeled as pusher since she was what? 17, 18. Of course, if she wants, she can still learn A LOT and change A LOT if she wants to, and being like she's the player with the best attitude I'm sure she will continue surprising people :worship:

Bingain
Feb 25th, 2011, 05:43 PM
It's when a player runs every ball down, hit it back deep with lots of spin for safety, and isn't hitting the ball back with any strategy to take over the point and start dictating play. There's nothing wrong with defense and/or counter-punching, but pushing -- to me -- is when there is no strategy in seeking to take control of the point even though you're the player with less power.

I don't think spin is necessary a part of "push." A yet better way for a lesser player is by moonballing--gives you more time to get into position and quite often frustrates your opponent even more.

I think it's too early to tell. I think the earlier indicator was in Beijing last year when she showed she could play more aggressively with smack for smack. But obviously this wasn't her REGULAR game and she would rather stay back and ENJOY. So in Doha this week she's pushing her aggressive game to another level, but has she evolved into a player with a routinely aggressive game PLAN? I dunno. I think it's still too early. She has just showed that she can do it. Will she always do it? I dunno.
BUT I hope she'll always play like this in slams. :bounce:

Omega1
Feb 25th, 2011, 06:43 PM
Wozniacki played against Bartoli as always.
Now she is faster than the Yonex Racquets Babolat.
She always plays the same (the balls distributed left-right), only now she has more self-confidence
and therefore make fewer mistakes.
Man could see, when Bartoli was little more patience and played the same
Wozniacki took a long pause. Bartoli has unfortunately only two or three.
Until now only Clyster has not lost such a game of patience.

Linguae^
Feb 25th, 2011, 07:08 PM
I'm just watching Woz : Bartoli match and am pleasantly surprised.
I haven't seen Woz since the Aussie Open, and now she seems to be more aggressive, aiming at the corner from 'both' wings, coming up to the net..
If this trend(if it is true) continues, it'll be really hard to win against her...
"Serena, it's high time, just come."

kman
Feb 25th, 2011, 07:20 PM
ghegheghe

Singleniacki
Feb 25th, 2011, 08:06 PM
Yes she is, im not just saying this to excuse Marion's loss.

Anyone who watched her match against pennetta can she is playing more aggressive, and its working.

Expect her to win matches against the big guns now.

Apoleb
Feb 25th, 2011, 08:09 PM
She is. I noticed that her forehead is getting bigger. :scared:

fantic
Feb 25th, 2011, 08:15 PM
she's aiming at the sidelines with that forehand, too :scared: