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pov
Feb 12th, 2011, 02:24 PM
A new song based on such an irrelevant, inane and archaic idea.

It's okay for anyone to be the way they choose to be and the way they are. Period. No justification is needed!

debopero
Feb 12th, 2011, 02:26 PM
Are you implying being gay is a choice :scratch: ?

Do we really need 8 threads on a pop song :tape: ?

Morning Morgan
Feb 12th, 2011, 02:51 PM
You may mean no diesrespect pov, but just to let you know, us gays are EXTREMELY offended when you imply being gay is a choice. If it were a choice pov, why would we make our lives harder than it is?

Apoleb
Feb 12th, 2011, 03:05 PM
You are right, but this song is nothing but a desperate and a very calculated attempt to create a "pop moment", and there's no better way than to use a slogan with which many gays associate themselves i.e shameless pandering.

slamchamp
Feb 12th, 2011, 03:13 PM
Was she really an outkast and all that? I mean if u see some videos of her before she got famous she looks like a pretty talented girl with a personality..Not so much the freak she says she was:scratch:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RwIDdfwebc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NM51qOpwcIM

The Witch-king
Feb 12th, 2011, 04:59 PM
A new thread based on such an irrelevant, inane and archaic issue.

Was she really an outkast and all that? I mean if u see some videos of her before she got famous she looks like a pretty talented girl with a personality..Not so much the freak she says she was:scratch:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RwIDdfwebc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NM51qOpwcIM

She was more UGK to me. :shrug:

Dominic
Feb 12th, 2011, 05:41 PM
A new song based on such an irrelevant, inane and archaic idea.

It's okay for anyone to be the way they choose to be and the way they are. Period. No justification is needed!

You think attraction is something you choose?

Optima
Feb 12th, 2011, 05:53 PM
He means that it doesn't matter whether or not you were "born this way", or if you did choose your sexuality (which people don't, of course) it shouldn't matter anyway. You don't need to have justification for your sexuality regardless of how you ended up with it. Damn, kids. Think outside the box.

Dominic
Feb 12th, 2011, 06:09 PM
He means that it doesn't matter whether or not you were "born this way", or if you did choose your sexuality (which people don't, of course) it shouldn't matter anyway. You don't need to have justification for your sexuality regardless of how you ended up with it. Damn, kids. Think outside the box.

Well that's all well and good but can I question a part of his statement? thank you.

Optima
Feb 12th, 2011, 06:22 PM
Well that's all well and good but can I question a part of his statement? thank you.

No, because you're not thinking correctly.

Dominic
Feb 12th, 2011, 06:26 PM
No, because you're not thinking correctly.

Well I'm thinking he said ppl choose to be gay, and I'm also thinking I do not agree with that, anything wrong with that?

Dominic
Feb 12th, 2011, 06:28 PM
Do you think that other unconventional attractions like incest, pedophilia, and bestiality are choices?

I think attraction and choice are pretty much opposites, definition-wise. so no.

Stamp Paid
Feb 12th, 2011, 06:36 PM
No, because you're not thinking correctly.http://i54.tinypic.com/29blg5u.gif

Randy H
Feb 12th, 2011, 07:51 PM
Where in the thread starter's first post does he say being gay is a choice? :lol: Even if you were to assume that he is talking about gay people, he specifically said "choose to be and the way they are." Gay people do have a choice, a choice to live openly and with acceptance of themselves and the way they were born...I see nothing offensive in the post.

As for the topic, I agree with Apoleb in it basically being pandering, but I guess if it means a top celebrity is willing enough to put out a song and stand up for equality then I'm not going to condemn that. Most of the time we're complaining wishing more people would stand up and do the same.

Dominic
Feb 12th, 2011, 09:09 PM
Where in the thread starter's first post does he say being gay is a choice? :lol: Even if you were to assume that he is talking about gay people, he specifically said "choose to be and the way they are." Gay people do have a choice, a choice to live openly and with acceptance of themselves and the way they were born...I see nothing offensive in the post.


Oh please, who do you think it refers to? taxi drivers? I also see nothing offensive, I just think nobody chose to be gay. I know I didn't.

Joana
Feb 12th, 2011, 11:30 PM
I don't see why "being born that way" and "choosing it" should be the only possible options. There's a lot in between that. :shrug:

Randy H
Feb 12th, 2011, 11:50 PM
Oh please, who do you think it refers to? taxi drivers? I also see nothing offensive, I just think nobody chose to be gay. I know I didn't.

A song can be interpreted in many ways for many different people. As my point was in my last response, the thread starter did not say that gay people chose to be gay, that is your own assumption you have thrown in and used as a means to argue. Stop twisting words out of context.

Dominic
Feb 13th, 2011, 02:11 AM
A song can be interpreted in many ways for many different people. As my point was in my last response, the thread starter did not say that gay people chose to be gay, that is your own assumption you have thrown in and used as a means to argue. Stop twisting words out of context.

Well it seems I'm not the only one who thought so, obviously what he said was misleading if that is not what he meant. Especially cause this poster said homosexuality was a choice MANY times before. And also, he would have probably replyed to one of us by now if we indeed, did not interpret it well. Although, it does seem like you're his messenger so maybe that's his way of answering ;)

Randy H
Feb 13th, 2011, 03:02 AM
Well it seems I'm not the only one who thought so, obviously what he said was misleading if that is not what he meant. Especially cause this poster said homosexuality was a choice MANY times before. And also, he would have probably replyed to one of us by now if we indeed, did not interpret it well. Although, it does seem like you're his messenger so maybe that's his way of answering ;)

I'm actually a gay man myself who happened to bother reading the entirety of the post. :p

Whether he/she thinks its a choice or not based on prior posts, I don't see a blatant effort to state that here so unless they choose to clarify one way or another I'll stick with what was said here.

supergrunt
Feb 13th, 2011, 03:42 AM
Read this article if your hate Lady Gaga or just need a good laugh!
http://www.advocate.com/Arts_and_Entertainment/Media/The_Lady_in_The_Slaughter/

ampers&
Feb 13th, 2011, 04:07 AM
Read this article if your hate Lady Gaga or just need a good laugh!
http://www.advocate.com/Arts_and_Entertainment/Media/The_Lady_in_The_Slaughter/
"...disappointment about the latest lump of sequined coal to fall from Stefani Germanotta's meat diaper into our open ears...."

Good Lord. :sobbing: That article is a slay and a half.
Stillborn This Way...
:bigcry:

Dominic
Feb 13th, 2011, 04:32 AM
I'm actually a gay man myself who happened to bother reading the entirety of the post. :p

Whether he/she thinks its a choice or not based on prior posts, I don't see a blatant effort to state that here so unless they choose to clarify one way or another I'll stick with what was said here.

You're partly right, I don't think his main goal in this thread was to say that gays chose their sexual orientation, but his post still shows that he thinks that "they choose to be". Doesn't get any clearer than that. Anyway I think you got kind of defensive for nothing, I didn't mean to attack the thread starter in any way, I'm just interested in knowing what makes him think that.

Uranus
Feb 13th, 2011, 01:52 PM
I get the OP. He's right actually. Of course it is not a choice, but you actually choose to live your life as a gay person or not.
Of course no one is born gay, there's no genetic proof behind it; while there are psychanalytic explanations - young childhood, mostly - for it.

Dominic
Feb 13th, 2011, 03:26 PM
I get the OP. He's right actually. Of course it is not a choice, but you actually choose to live your life as a gay person or not.
Of course no one is born gay, there's no genetic proof behind it; while there are psychanalytic explanations - young childhood, mostly - for it.

Could you elaborate more on those psychanalytic explanations? I've never heard of that.

Bayo
Feb 13th, 2011, 06:00 PM
this song is nothing but a desperate and a very calculated attempt to create a "pop moment", and there's no better way than to use a slogan with which many gays associate themselves i.e shameless pandering.

Holler.

Moveyourfeet
Feb 17th, 2011, 02:42 AM
Of course no one is born gay, there's no genetic proof behind it; while there are psychanalytic explanations - young childhood, mostly - for it.

Totally false.
The psychoanalytic hypotheses (not explanations) have glaring flaws. They gained popularity due to politics and lobbying.

Sp!ffy
Feb 17th, 2011, 03:14 AM
Was she really an outkast and all that? I mean if u see some videos of her before she got famous she looks like a pretty talented girl with a personality..Not so much the freak she says she was:scratch:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RwIDdfwebc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NM51qOpwcIM

No, that was just before she decided to consume a mass amount of drugs and alcohol.

Volcana
Feb 17th, 2011, 03:24 AM
I was born this way too. Only problem is, nobody has yet figured out what 'this way' is.

It's not easy being green.

Caralenko
Feb 17th, 2011, 04:00 AM
No, that was just before she decided to consume a mass amount of drugs and alcohol.

I think it's pretty stupid that people take Lady Gaga at face value and literally. Obviously she wasn't always like this, because Lady Gaga is a character acted out by Stefani Germanotta. It's a performance, the whole thing, and if people choose to take it for more than it is then obviously there's going to be ridicule. :lol:

Sp!ffy
Feb 17th, 2011, 04:21 AM
I think it's pretty stupid that people take Lady Gaga at face value and literally. Obviously she wasn't always like this, because Lady Gaga is a character acted out by Stefani Germanotta. It's a performance, the whole thing, and if people choose to take it for more than it is then obviously there's going to be ridicule. :lol:

I would like to think so, but after watching her 60 minutes interview, I'm not so sure. She says that she's no different from the person in the limelight. Which of course could be a lie. But she also went on to say she does drugs when she writes music and drinks whiskey regularly.I'd like to think there is a normal person still inside of her but I'm not so sure anymore. :p

DaMamaJama87
Feb 17th, 2011, 04:31 AM
Not this again. :rolleyes:

Caralenko
Feb 17th, 2011, 04:45 AM
Not this again. :rolleyes:

:spit:

pov
Feb 17th, 2011, 04:12 PM
You may mean no diesrespect pov, but just to let you know, us gays are EXTREMELY offended when you imply being gay is a choice. If it were a choice pov, why would we make our lives harder than it is?
And there is no offense meant on my part but IMO much of the "gay isn't a choice" perspective is fueled by people seeking ways to justify their preferences. It has been developed into a cornerstone of what's called "gay rights." (Yeah, I know some "experts" say that it isn't. 'Course many of those "experts" still believe that genes are static generators.)

Whatever. I think that if someone wants to only get with people of the same gender then that's what they wanna do. Whether they came to that at puberty or last week is irrelevant.

pov
Feb 17th, 2011, 04:14 PM
Not this again. :rolleyes:
:lol:

Nicolás89
Feb 17th, 2011, 04:51 PM
God makes no mistakes. http://i51.tinypic.com/2d1paw9.gif

mckyle.
Feb 17th, 2011, 05:35 PM
God makes no mistakes. http://i51.tinypic.com/2d1paw9.gif

http://i52.tinypic.com/6hsvgh.gif

donniedarkofan
Feb 17th, 2011, 06:54 PM
Was she really an outkast and all that? I mean if u see some videos of her before she got famous she looks like a pretty talented girl with a personality..Not so much the freak she says she was:scratch:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RwIDdfwebc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NM51qOpwcIM

Of course, she wasn't. It's all an act. I'm not saying she's faking it all the time, but no way she's like that all the time. Please. It's just an act.

Plus, Born This Way, is right on time. She knows it, she's making money of it and she's smart enough to make good comments.

Gotta give it to her, that she's using her fame to promote safe sex. Kudos Gaga.

However, I liked her before she got big and stuff. I remember the times when she was known for Just Dance(that just came out) and no one even knew who she was, the song was great, a real club banger - great pop beat, simple lyrics and actually a good looking girl singing it. Now she's kinda...uhmm, different.