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Julian.
Feb 12th, 2011, 06:53 AM
2 Pop Queens just released their lead single for their upcoming new album.

Britney Spears with "Hold It Against Me" and Lady Gaga with "Born This Way".

Which single do you prefer?

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I like both songs but I prefer Britney's a bit better. :D

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mckyle.
Feb 12th, 2011, 06:55 AM
I prefer Born This Way.

Haimar
Feb 12th, 2011, 06:58 AM
Born This Way, the new Britney is :o

delicatecutter
Feb 12th, 2011, 07:10 AM
LOL apparently I'm an obnoxious prick for not liking either one. And not knowing what Mediabase is. And liking good pop music.
And knowing what good pop music is. :o

I can't decide. They're both crap.

LeRoy.
Feb 12th, 2011, 07:46 AM
About a 100 different websites have done this poll, including Gaga's own toilet cleaner, Perez Hilton, and Britney's HIAM won everywhere. FYI.

Apoleb
Feb 12th, 2011, 07:46 AM
I don't like either, but Hold It Against Me is inoffensive. Born This Way is offensively bad.

Tennisation
Feb 12th, 2011, 07:58 AM
Britney: "Gaga, I'm really happy for u and Ima let u Express Youself but this one's for Madge!"

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Just Do It
Feb 12th, 2011, 08:07 AM
Both songs disappointed me. Britneys disappointed me less.

silverwhite
Feb 12th, 2011, 08:15 AM
Both are highly overrated but Britney's is worse

silverwhite
Feb 12th, 2011, 08:17 AM
About a 100 different websites have done this poll, including Gaga's own toilet cleaner, Perez Hilton, and Britney's HIAM won everywhere. FYI.

:haha:

ElusiveChanteuse
Feb 12th, 2011, 08:49 AM
LOL apparently I'm an obnoxious prick for not liking either one. And not knowing what Mediabase is. And liking good pop music.
And knowing what good pop music is. :o

I can't decide. They're both crap.

I don't like either, but Hold It Against Me is inoffensive. Born This Way is offensively bad.

Both songs disappointed me. Britneys disappointed me less.

Both are highly overrated but Britney's is worse

+1.

Mistress of Evil
Feb 12th, 2011, 09:29 AM
Hard to say. :) Both are not amaze :shrug: But with time I will like GaGa's more, I guess.

Pops Maellard
Feb 12th, 2011, 09:41 AM
"Born This Way" actually has a positive message behind it. :yeah: She's using her celebrity to get the LBGT message out there, and judging by it's quick ascent up the iTunes charts, people are listening. :cool:

While Britney's song is just cliche after cliche. Britney meets boy in club, she thinks he's hot, she asks him to bone her. Wow. :rolleyes: How original.

Lady Gaga takes this round, no contest. :smoke:

hectopascal
Feb 12th, 2011, 09:44 AM
That one line "Baby I was born this way"
sounds just like "That's my perogative"

I think Britney wins this round.

Pops Maellard
Feb 12th, 2011, 09:48 AM
That one line "Baby I was born this way"
sounds just like "That's my perogative"

I think Britney wins this round.

You do realize that song was a cover right? :unsure:

Pebbles
Feb 12th, 2011, 10:12 AM
I liked Born This Way better when it was Express Yourself.

Root
Feb 12th, 2011, 10:14 AM
"Born This Way" actually has a positive message behind it. :yeah: She's using her celebrity to get the LBGT message out there, and judging by it's quick ascent up the iTunes charts, people are listening. :cool:

While Britney's song is just cliche after cliche. Britney meets boy in club, she thinks he's hot, she asks him to bone her. Wow. :rolleyes: How original.

Lady Gaga takes this round, no contest. :smoke:

Implying Mother Monster is original?

Lennval
Feb 12th, 2011, 10:22 AM
i'd say brit

Carotastrophe
Feb 12th, 2011, 01:15 PM
Both were great.. but Born This Way, since ive replayed HIAM so much its getting a bit boring..

My Itunes Play Count says:

HIAM: 211
BTW: 57 (but only after 1 Day)

Julian.
Feb 12th, 2011, 01:17 PM
Both were great.. but Born This Way, since ive replayed HIAM so much its getting a bit boring..

My Itunes Play Count says:

HIAM: 211
BTW: 57 (but only after 1 Day)

W. T. F. ! :rolls:

:bowdown:

Stamp Paid
Feb 12th, 2011, 01:43 PM
I prefer the Queen, the woman who has defined the sound of pop music since 1999
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¤CharlDa¤
Feb 12th, 2011, 02:16 PM
I like Born this Way much better. Britney's has no catch to it, I just listened to it twice and can't even sing a note.

I've been singing Born this Way for 2 days now, and could sing it after listening to it once. For me, that's what a pop song is all about.

NyCPsU
Feb 12th, 2011, 02:27 PM
They both missed the mark. :shrug:

In The Zone
Feb 12th, 2011, 03:51 PM
Born This Way is stale. Sounds like an album track. I really like Gaga's music and was excited to have two great albums coming out. Very disappointing. :( Besides the fact it is a modern "Express Yourself". Hopefully Gaga's second single is much better. It doesn't even compare to Bad Romance or Poker Face.

moby
Feb 12th, 2011, 04:14 PM
Born This Way. It is an implicit commentary on the mainstream pop industry.
That industry is about making mediocrity popular.
Gaga pushes that idea to the extreme.
Born This Way is all hype and hot air supported by an old cliche, and she's repackaged it into a meme of the moment that sells and sells and sells.

Dementieva_Dude
Feb 12th, 2011, 04:32 PM
I liked Born This Way better when it was Express Yourself.

+1

Britney wins this round. Gaga's new single is really disappointing

Roookie
Feb 12th, 2011, 04:34 PM
While Britney's song is just cliche after cliche. Britney meets boy in club, she thinks he's hot, she asks him to bone her. Wow. :rolleyes: How original.

And Born this Way is original? :spit:

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Neither song is good but at least Britney's is not pretentious.

Apoleb
Feb 12th, 2011, 04:36 PM
Born This Way. It is an implicit commentary on the mainstream pop industry.
That industry is about making mediocrity popular.
Gaga pushes that idea to the extreme.
Born This Way is all hype and hot air supported by an old cliche, and she's repackaged it into a meme of the moment that sells and sells and sells.

I like this pretentious spin, as if pop music (i.e music that sells) can be boxed into "mediocrity". :lol:

Imagine by John Lennon is a "pop" song. And so is Aretha's "Respect."

This was Gaga's desperate attempt to recreate such a moment, and it falls right on its back. Else, she wouldn't need to steal melodies.

Break My Rapture
Feb 12th, 2011, 04:45 PM
HIAM just blows. Boring, monotonous, not catchy at all.

While Born This Way sounds too cliché poppy almost to be Gaga IMO.

I don't know, I really dislike both. :lol: Very disappointing like many of have said already.

cellophane
Feb 12th, 2011, 04:50 PM
Both suck.

Joana
Feb 12th, 2011, 04:50 PM
I like this pretentious spin, as if pop music (i.e music that sells) can be boxed into "mediocrity". :lol:


I'm starting to think it was the point all along, as moby says.
I've never seen such a discrepancy between the hype and the actual product before. For all the talk about the revolution in music, we get a stolen melody and tired and cliched lyrics that looked like they were written in 10 minutes, literally. Gaga had to be aware of that, she's by no means dumb.
I almost believe this is all an experiment to see how far along one can go in music industry based on hype alone.

Apoleb
Feb 12th, 2011, 05:03 PM
I'm starting to think it was the point all along, as moby says.
I've never seen such a discrepancy between the hype and the actual product before. For all the talk about the revolution in music, we get a stolen melody and tired and cliched lyrics that looked like they were written in 10 minutes, literally. Gaga had to be aware of that, she's by no means dumb.
I almost believe this is all an experiment to see how far along one can go in music industry based on hype alone.

I think it's just a very calculated attempt to create a monster hit. Someone who's making a point about the mediocrity of mainstream pop music (which I think is a stupid thing anyhow) wouldn't steal a melody. In fact, that argues exactly against that point. Why couldn't she make up her own mediocre melody that sells? Instead she had to go for a pop classic.

Of course she's smart. Her genius lies in the fact that she took attention whoring to a whole a new level and was able to capture everyone's attention. And that's always been a crucial ingredient in the success of pop artists.

moby
Feb 12th, 2011, 05:06 PM
I've never seen such a discrepancy between the hype and the actual product before. For all the talk about the revolution in music, we get a stolen melody and tired and cliched lyrics that looked like they were written in 10 minutes, literally. Gaga had to be aware of that, she's by no means dumb.
I almost believe this is all an experiment to see how far along one can go in music industry based on hype alone.That's sort of how I see it.

We know Lady Gaga is perfectly capable of writing trite melodies and lyrics that have more depth than those in Born This Way, and she's proven this countless times on her first two albums already. So just to see her taking a few steps back musically and coming up with a really eh song which is killing the charts is an interesting phenomenon in itself.

Hyping up something as blah as BTW would be a major bomb for the average artist-of-the-moment, which is what Gaga is constantly accused of being, but I guess Gaga has transcended that. She's here to stay.

Maria Croft
Feb 12th, 2011, 05:08 PM
Neither, I don't like HIAM, it's boring at best.
BTW is okay, but how could it not be since it's totally an Express Yourself rip-off.

Stamp Paid
Feb 12th, 2011, 06:28 PM
That's sort of how I see it.

We know Lady Gaga is perfectly capable of writing trite melodies and lyrics that have more depth than those in Born This Way, and she's proven this countless times on her first two albums already. So just to see her taking a few steps back musically and coming up with a really eh song which is killing the charts is an interesting phenomenon in itself.

Hyping up something as blah as BTW would be a major bomb for the average artist-of-the-moment, which is what Gaga is constantly accused of being, but I guess Gaga has transcended that. She's here to stay.Like what, for example? :lol:

Madonna was calculated in the way that youre describing, and she knew how to be provocative on several levels (sonically, sexually, etc). Gaga cannot. :lol: Madonna is a genius and Gaga is not, unfortunately.
I appreciate what I think shes trying to accomplish with this Born This Way song, but as with all things with her, its trite, overly contrived, and exploitative. "Dont be a drag, just be a queen?" like srsly? :lol::lol:
Id rather listen to LoveGame, So Happy I Could Die, Teeth, etc. and just have a good time. Shes not sincere or compelling enough to actually give a damn about what she has to say.

Apoleb
Feb 12th, 2011, 06:41 PM
Madonna is a genius and Gaga is not, unfortunately.I think she is - in the sense that putting a lamp over her head, and getting everyone to discuss her stupid songs/videos/performances is her greatest accomplishment. If you can get people to talk about you, you're half way into the pop market. And that was a real breakthrough she has done and in the age of the internet, it's even more important. Whether she can maintain it for the rest of her career is yet to be seen.

The other half is doing the catchy music and doing something that can click culturally; and this is where her prospects are less strong, and it's beginning to show now. I'll give her credit where it's due: Just Dance/Poker Face/Paparazzi were all very good tracks. Now she's resorting to desperate pandering and melody theft so she can take her impact into the next level. She was trying to create a "gay cultural moment", but it's sad that she had to go out and fish melodies from past pop songs as well as use a slogan which honestly I can't stand. And what bothers me is that Express Yourself actually had real important substance to it. In other words, I'm the least impressed by her on the musical front, and I think it's been obvious since day one. Of course, as the careers of Britney and others show, collaborating with the right people can also do the trick.

Pops Maellard
Feb 12th, 2011, 06:49 PM
And Born this Way is original? :spit:

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Neither song is good but at least Britney's is not pretentious.

Rather be similar to just a few songs before it than practically every pop/electro song for the past decade or so like Britney. :wavey:

Beat
Feb 12th, 2011, 08:14 PM
unfortunately, i must inform you that i can't participate in the poll, because the question is "which do you prefer?", which implies that one or both songs are not complete and utter somnifacient rubbish - and i must dissociate myself from such a distressing claim!

MH0861
Feb 12th, 2011, 08:25 PM
I would probably rate all of GaGa's previous singles above HIAM, but Queen Brit this time :worship:

VeeReeDavJCap81
Feb 12th, 2011, 08:27 PM
They're both disappointments IMO, but if I had to pick one I'd go with "Born This Way". Although I think "Hold It Against Me" is more fun to dance to in the club than "Born This Way" will be.

moby
Feb 12th, 2011, 08:47 PM
Like what, for example? :lol:

Madonna was calculated in the way that youre describing, and she knew how to be provocative on several levels (sonically, sexually, etc). Gaga cannot. :lol: Madonna is a genius and Gaga is not, unfortunately.
I appreciate what I think shes trying to accomplish with this Born This Way song, but as with all things with her, its trite, overly contrived, and exploitative. "Dont be a drag, just be a queen?" like srsly? :lol::lol:
Id rather listen to LoveGame, So Happy I Could Die, Teeth, etc. and just have a good time. Shes not sincere or compelling enough to actually give a damn about what she has to say.Like, basically everything? BTW is probably Gaga's worst single musically and lyrically.

First of all, I think Born This Way owes more to TLC's Waterfalls than it does to Madonna's Express Yourself (I don't actually hear any melodic similarities or rip-offs, just a very similar spirit/vibe in those songs, where-else whole lines of the verse of BTW actually correspond to Waterfalls)... but then I guess everyone is always comparing Gaga's everything to Madonna, as though there were no other influences.

The other half is doing the catchy music and doing something that can click culturally; and this is where her prospects are less strong, and it's beginning to show now...She's obviously good at that too, even if it might not have anything to do with the quality of her music. Way too many stans saying OMG What a Greatz song BTW is!!!! YES! for an alternative interpretation.

Now she's resorting to desperate pandering and melody theft so she can take her impact into the next level. She was trying to create a "gay cultural moment"The "desperate" pandering is the gay cultural moment, and has been the keystone to Gaga's career.
Pink money's where it's at and it's time for everyone to suck up to the gays now.
Anyway, she's done more for gay rights than pretty much any of us whining gays, so I don't think her sincerity should be challenged too much.

And what bothers me is that Express Yourself actually had real important substance to it.... Mmmm, not really.

Apoleb
Feb 12th, 2011, 09:29 PM
... Mmmm, not really.Actually it did - it's a simple but strong message about female empowerment, backed by a strong vocal performance, and a great/solid melody. That's what distinguishes great pop: again, I reference Respect and Imagine - both of which are cultural landmarks without being rocket science material.

This is what Gaga in essence is attempting but her message is crappy (born this way? Thank you, but I don't think it matters) with nonsensical lyrics and stolen melodies - and it doesn't really matter whether she stole them from Madonna or TLC (and I think it's from both). But it's rather silly to claim that everyone and their mother (including pretty much all reviews) are comparing the twosongs sonically because the vibe is the same or that the two are frequently compared. It's rather funny that, according to you, she is "making an implicit statement about the mediocrity of mainstream pop" by stealing others' melodies. :lol:

Whitehead's Boy
Feb 12th, 2011, 09:57 PM
Madonna's official youtube channel just uploaded her Express Yourself MTV performance. Lmao.

Apoleb
Feb 12th, 2011, 09:59 PM
Madonna's official youtube channel just uploaded her Express Yourself MTV performance. Lmao.

I'm sure Madonna is loving all this publicity. Right on the heels of her next album.

moby
Feb 12th, 2011, 10:09 PM
Actually it did - it's a simple but strong message about female empowerment, backed by a strong vocal performance, and a great/solid melody. That's what distinguishes great pop: again, I reference Respect and Imagine - both of which are cultural landmarks without being rocket science material.You know, some people think that BTW has a simple but strong message too. All these messages are trite anyway. Very few popular songs are genuinely poetic like "Strange Fruit"; when we say a pop song is deep, we always mean it is "deep for a pop song". I don't see the message of BTW being any worse than the messages of those other songs.

This is what Gaga in essence is attempting but her message is crappy (born this way? Thank you, but I don't think it matters) with nonsensical lyrics and stolen melodies - and it doesn't really matter whether she stole them from Madonna or TLC (and I think it's from both). But it's rather silly to claim that everyone and their mother (including pretty much all reviews) are comparing the twosongs sonically because the vibe is the same or that the two are frequently compared. Almost all gay people believe in the BTW message at some point in their personal growth. The majority still believe in it. :shrug: They don't think the message is crappy at all. And if other people can even believe the BTW message, I think the world would be a better place. I think of this message as an intermediary phase one has to go through before they can go on to further analyse the situation.

It's rather funny that, according to you, she is "making an implicit statement about the mediocrity of mainstream pop" by stealing others' melodies. :lol:Yes, I think it's funny too. I'm not sure that's a contradiction though. It might even be the point.

Anyway, I'm sure Madonna wouldn't be offended with the imitation. Like every artiste, she's done her fair share of pilfering (http://www.aishamusic.com/lawsuit_many_artists_madonna_stole_from.htm), be it music or image.

Mrs. Dimitrova
Feb 12th, 2011, 10:28 PM
So I replayed Born This Way 43 times, it grew on me a little and I have decided I like the song despite sounding so cliche.

Apoleb
Feb 12th, 2011, 10:29 PM
^ I don't think Respect, Imagine or even Express Yourself are "trite" by any stretch, despite the straightforward message. I don't care what other people think of the Born This Way message: I think it's awful, and the song is even more nonsensical. Again, I cannot give her credit for obviously stealing melodies (that you call "borrowing"). And yes, I do find that a glaring contradiction with your interpretation, because if she wants to show how mediocre pop is (which I honestly think is a very ridiculous thing to say) one would expect her to easily come up with her own "mediocre" melodies to drive songs like these. But OK, debate is over. :D

mckyle.
Feb 12th, 2011, 10:39 PM
Serious academic discussion about Born This Way. Beautiful.

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Apoleb
Feb 12th, 2011, 10:43 PM
^ Hey, I wasn't the one suggesting that BTW has some deeper message to it about pop music and society. :p

silverwhite
Feb 12th, 2011, 11:14 PM
I prefer the Queen, the woman who has whose producers have defined the sound of pop music since 1999


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ElusiveChanteuse
Feb 12th, 2011, 11:20 PM
Wow! 33-33 so far. What a competition. Reminds me of Pierce vs Davenport poll.:p

silverwhite
Feb 12th, 2011, 11:20 PM
Born This Way. It is an implicit commentary on the mainstream pop industry.
That industry is about making mediocrity popular.
Gaga pushes that idea to the extreme.
Born This Way is all hype and hot air supported by an old cliche, and she's repackaged it into a meme of the moment that sells and sells and sells.

I honestly don't think that was her purpose. Otherwise, it says something about her sincerity in dedicating this song to her little monsters :tape:

moby
Feb 12th, 2011, 11:23 PM
Serious academic discussion about Born This Way. Beautiful.My pleasure.

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I honestly don't think that was her purpose. Otherwise, it says something about her sincerity in dedicating this song to her little monsters :tape:Song works on mutiple levels. Gaga is deep like that. :hearts:
As the Heart sutra says, form is void, and void is form. So all is an illusion.
What Born This Way embodies at its highest, most spiritual level, is a Zen koan.

Joana
Feb 12th, 2011, 11:23 PM
I honestly don't think that was her purpose. Otherwise, it says something about her sincerity in dedicating this song to her little monsters :tape:

It also says something that the song dedicated to her little monsters was done with the bare minimum of effort.
Basically, Lady Gaga is just taking a piss now with this song. Because she can.

Tennisation
Feb 12th, 2011, 11:27 PM
So all this talk about Madona and no one is talking about how BTW ripped the verses right out of TLC's Waterfalls? I wouldn't have hated it so much if mother monster didn't hype the shit out of it and all this talk about it being the gay anthem. I'm gay and no thanks I don't want this song to be a gay anthem because I was not born gay and I used to be attracted to girls. I hate the fact that the song's message is about originality and individuality yet the song itself is anything but original. Quite frankly Britney's HIAM is also just as bad and probably one of the worst single she's ever released but at least Britney isn't trying hard to be all political and trying to be the baddest bitch for representing minorities who are different. Who the fuck asked her to represent us anyway and if the song is an anthem about herself how can I sympathize with her? The fact that she claims to be bisexual (calling bullshit on this one) just to appeal to gay fans? Before Lady Gaga, Stephanie Germanotta was just an ordinary girl with some talent. I would have liked her more if she'd stop trying so hard to bring justice to being different. I used to be a fan and I have both The Fame and Fame Monster album but if this is the direction she's taking her music then today she has lost a fan.

moby
Feb 12th, 2011, 11:37 PM
It also says something that the song dedicated to her little monsters was done with the bare minimum of effort.
Basically, Lady Gaga is just taking a piss now with this song. Because she can.And she can, because, let's face it, people are just not that smart.

Ballbasher
Feb 12th, 2011, 11:39 PM
Both songs are crap, just like any other song coming fom them. :p (Well Britney had a few alright ones in the middle of her career)
But Britney's song is somewhat more diversified. Gaga has been going from bad to worse. She is just trying too hard to be different. :rolls: But Madonna was born this way a few decades ago.
I like Born this Way much better. Britney's has no catch to it, I just listened to it twice and can't even sing a note.

I've been singing Born this Way for 2 days now, and could sing it after listening to it once. For me, that's what a pop song is all about.
Really? While BTW is extremely annoying, it's at least not too memorable except for the start. While HIAM has sadly been stuck in my head, since heating it once.

silverwhite
Feb 12th, 2011, 11:53 PM
Song works on mutiple levels. Gaga is deep like that. :hearts:
As the Heart sutra says, form is void, and void is form. So all is an illusion.
What Born This Way embodies at its highest, most spiritual level, is a Zen koan.

If you say so :help:

WonderfulLee
Feb 13th, 2011, 12:00 AM
i think both better than Not Myself Tonight....

Pops Maellard
Feb 13th, 2011, 12:03 AM
i think both better than Not Myself Tonight....
Not "You lost Me" though. :p

WonderfulLee
Feb 13th, 2011, 12:05 AM
Not "You lost Me" though. :p

agree with you :lol:

Tennisation
Feb 13th, 2011, 12:07 AM
i think both better than Not Myself Tonight....Lets not kick a dead horse as she's still recovering from the national anthem. Besides Xtina is not relevant these days. Even the likes of Ke$ha and Katie Perry have left her in the dust.

Apoleb
Feb 13th, 2011, 12:37 AM
i think both better than Not Myself Tonight....

Ouch... :lol:

I honestly don't think that was her purpose. Otherwise, it says something about her sincerity in dedicating this song to her little monsters :tape:

No, Lady Gaga has finally shown the true meaning and value of art. Appreciating pop melodies is the domain of the regular and mediocre. And she has done all of this by just doing pop music. Thank you lady Gaga. :worship:

Julian.
Feb 13th, 2011, 01:22 AM
Lets not kick a dead horse as she's still recovering from the national anthem. Besides Xtina is not relevant these days. Even the likes of Ke$ha and Katie Perry have left her in the dust.

:sobbing:

KournikovaFan91
Feb 13th, 2011, 01:25 AM
I love them both is that wrong. :shrug:

BTW Xtina's songs Fighter and Beautiful mean more to me than any pop song, so many people just bash her for no reason. :o Like Beautiful is a great song to promote equality and acceptance of everyone without ramming it down people's throats.

cellophane
Feb 13th, 2011, 01:43 AM
Serious academic discussion about Born This Way. Beautiful.

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Where is that treatise moby posted on Alejandro? :rolls:

Dominic
Feb 13th, 2011, 02:07 AM
I was really disapointed with Britney's so I went with Gaga.

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Feb 13th, 2011, 02:55 AM
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Awesome gif.

Toxic
Feb 13th, 2011, 04:27 AM
If I said I want Your body now, would You Hold it Against Me? http://imgsrv2.tennisuniverse.com/wtaworld/images/smilies/angel.gif

Andy.
Feb 13th, 2011, 05:24 AM
Born This Way without a doubt. Regardless of what people think about the songs at least Gaga wrote her song, would have had huge input into the video clip and will sing it live.

Crazy Canuck
Feb 13th, 2011, 05:38 AM
Born This Way without a doubt. Regardless of what people think about the songs at least Gaga wrote her song, would have had huge input into the video clip and will sing it live.
She clearly spent a lot of time and thought on those deep and moving lyrics, in addition to the blood, sweat, and tears she poured into producing such original music to sing them to.

Seriously, why are people debating which drunk-fun song is better than the other? They're both unoriginal tripe that are fun to get wasted and dance to. Well, I assume. I haven't actually listened to Spear's yet.

LeRoy.
Feb 13th, 2011, 06:54 AM
Adam Levine tweets


http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQsmVF2inIM-3FzULNlvWynZluXkDHGpOFBuj7AHAoppEuo (http://twitter.com/adamlevine)‎adamlevine (http://twitter.com/adamlevine)‎ Lady gaga took "vogue" and "express yourself" and put them in a blender. Result: "born this way"




:tape:

LeRoy.
Feb 13th, 2011, 06:59 AM
Madonna's youtube account was updated yesterday. She posted her 1989 MTV VMA's performance of "Express Yourself" :haha:

In case Gaga needs some "inspiration" for her Grammys performance she knows where to go. :tape:

Reptilia
Feb 13th, 2011, 07:03 AM
Both are dull and were totally overhyped. Gaga's just seems so cheesy to me, so I guess Brit.

LeRoy.
Feb 13th, 2011, 07:07 AM
Chris Daughtry tweets



CHRIS_Daughtry.
Just listened to a clip of Lady Gaga "Born This Way" and I gotta say...sounds a lot like "Express Yourself" from Madonna. Thoughts? 8:09 AM Feb 11th (http://twitter.com/CHRIS_Daughtry/status/36094434139439104) via Echofon (http://www.echofon.com/)

LeRoy.
Feb 13th, 2011, 07:14 AM
Madonna's estranged brother reacts



Christopher Ciccone, Madonna’s younger brother, has lashed out at pop star Lady Gaga over her new song, ‘Born this Way.’


“All I can say is ‘what the f**k?,” Cicconesaid (http://www.hollywoodnews.com/2011/02/12/lady-gaga-dissed-by-madonnas-brother-for-new-song/). 'It sounds just like Express Yourself - I can't believe it to tell you the truth.”

Christopher Ciccone, owner of his own talent management business, was responsible for masterminding much of Madonna’s career. Ciccone and Madonna had a falling out in 2008 after Ciccone wrote a tell-all book.

LeRoy.
Feb 13th, 2011, 07:29 AM
Critics and fans were mixed in their reviews of the long-awaited single, which some called a hodge-podge of other pop tunes.

Following months of anticipation and online buzz, Friday's release of Lady Gaga's new single saw the public explode in a flurry of talk about the possibility that Gaga had ripped off pop icon Madonna.

Caryn Ganz at the Amplifier (http://new.music.yahoo.com/blogs/amplifier/88460/lady-gagas-born-this-way-vogue-yourself/) called the song "overworked, overwrought, noisy, cheesy, and very, very derivative" and cited Gaga's claim that she wrote it in ten minutes as the root of the problem.

"'Born This Way' follows the blueprint for an early '90s club hit remarkably carefully: keening strings on the first verse, a propulsive four-on-the-foor thump, layers of squelching synths, soulful vocals." Ganz added that the song also has hints of Kelly Rowland and David Guetta's "When Love Takes Over" and TLC's "Waterfalls."

London's Daily Telegraph (http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/culture/neilmccormick/100051388/lady-gaga-is-born-this-way-the-gayest-song-ever/) thought the song's imitative nature would affect perceptions of Gaga's artistry. "Basically it is a reworking of Madonna's 'Express Yourself' with a touch of Madonna's 'Vogue.' Which is a bit too much Madonna for someone who is trying to establish her own identity as the, er, new Madonna."

Twitter was also abuzz with comparisons, so much that "Express Yourself" started trending on Friday. Fans were split over whether the likeness was a good thing, while some celebrities tried to stay objective.

"Just listened to a clip of Lady Gaga 'Born This Way' and I gotta say...sounds a lot like 'Express Yourself' from Madonna," musician Chris Daughtry tweeted. "And by the way...I'm not dogging it. Haven't even heard it all...that was just my first impress."


Prior to the single's release, the debut of Gaga's black and white album cover for "Born This Way" also sparked controversy among fans who thought the artist had copied Kylie Minogue's artwork for "2 Hearts." Both covers feature the singers in profile with dramatic eye makeup, dark lipstick and graffiti-inspired font.




Reputation maligned.

:sad:

Crazy Canuck
Feb 13th, 2011, 07:33 AM
It also says something that the song dedicated to her little monsters was done with the bare minimum of effort.
Basically, Lady Gaga is just taking a piss now with this song. Because she can.

Ding ding! And that? Is awesome. It almost makes me appreciate her more.

Crazy Canuck
Feb 13th, 2011, 07:39 AM
And she can, because, let's face it, people are just not that smart.

Ding ding again! As I wrote in another thread around here somewhere, I really hope that one day one of these "artists" puts a composition of their farts to a somewhat catchy hook, just so that I can hear their fans claim how industry defining it is. When this happens, it will be the best day ever.

Tennisation
Feb 13th, 2011, 08:22 AM
I clicked the "buy" button on iTunes for BTW but it says "You already have this song in your playlist 20 years ago, are you sure you want to buy it again?" :sobbing:

Lunaticalm
Feb 13th, 2011, 08:48 AM
No offense, but to me Lady Gaga is just a Madonna wannabe. Catchy songs though.

duhcity
Feb 13th, 2011, 10:26 AM
Voted HIAM, but I'm really rather disappointed in both


We need Taylor Swift back in the pop game :inlove:

Julian.
Feb 13th, 2011, 12:53 PM
We need Taylor Swift back in the pop game :inlove:

I'd take Gaga or Britney over that bitch anyday :lol:

Roookie
Feb 13th, 2011, 04:33 PM
^^Sacrilege!...Taylor is actually a great songwriter

Andy.
Feb 13th, 2011, 08:29 PM
I am so sick of people saying that she stole from Madonna and copied 'Express Yourself'. The songs are quite different. They obviously have different lyrics, are a different tempo, different muscially and have a different message. I have listened to both a lot in the last 24 hours to try and get what people are saying but I dont get it.

silverwhite
Feb 14th, 2011, 12:32 AM
I love them both is that wrong. :shrug:

BTW Xtina's songs Fighter and Beautiful mean more to me than any pop song, so many people just bash her for no reason. :o Like Beautiful is a great song to promote equality and acceptance of everyone without ramming it down people's throats.

Clearly people are blinded by radio and commercial success. Just because Bionic underperformed, most think it gives them some sort of license to flame an artiste with unbelievable talent and a proven track record. All I can say is :lol:

moby
Feb 14th, 2011, 06:54 AM
I'm starting to think it was the point all along, as moby says.
I've never seen such a discrepancy between the hype and the actual product before. For all the talk about the revolution in music, we get a stolen melody and tired and cliched lyrics that looked like they were written in 10 minutes, literally. Gaga had to be aware of that, she's by no means dumb.
I almost believe this is all an experiment to see how far along one can go in music industry based on hype alone.

"I wrote ['Born This Way'] in 10 f---ing minutes," she explains in the article. "And it is a completely magical message song. And after I wrote it, the gates just opened, and the songs kept coming. It was like an immaculate conception."

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1657656/lady-gaga-vogue.jhtml

M.P
Feb 14th, 2011, 09:44 AM
Madonna should just re-record Express youself and release it :haha:

BuTtErFrEnA
Feb 14th, 2011, 11:27 AM
I clicked the "buy" button on iTunes for BTW but it says "You already have this song in your playlist 20 years ago, are you sure you want to buy it again?" :sobbing:

:rolls:

ExXotikal
Feb 14th, 2011, 11:53 AM
Both suck donkey balls. Generic shit. But Brit's sucks a lil less.

LeRoy.
Feb 16th, 2011, 09:36 PM
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Sgt.Timmykinz
Feb 16th, 2011, 11:10 PM
Erm...

Moveyourfeet
Feb 17th, 2011, 02:27 AM
A number of people in this thread have expressed their disapproval of the 'born this way' stance and I have a hard time understanding why. The way I reason it out is it's either a disagreement with the premise that homosexuality at its core is genetically determined (born this way) or a disapproval of using that as a reason for equality.

There is good compelling evidence for the genetic basis of homosexuality. The work of scientists such as Hamer, Bailey&Pillard, LeVay, Swaab, L.S Allen etc provide good, peer-reviewed evidence for the 'born this way' theory.

The genetic basis of homosexuality is a powerful weapon in the arsenal of those who fight for marriage equality and the repeal of DOMA. Of the 9 protected classes recognized Federally, only 2 are entirely choice-based: Religion and Veteran Status.

To consider it insulting or demeaning that the reason one shouldn't discriminate against gays because that's is their genetic predisposition is baffling to me.
That is the very reason we should be a protected class. To say otherwise is to suggest that gays 'choose' to be gay. One person on this thread actually said so. Just no.
Similar parallels can be drawn to racial discrimination.

Maybe someone can explain just what is so offensive about the 'born this way' campaign.

hurricanejeanne
Feb 17th, 2011, 02:42 AM
Born this Way. The lyrics are underpar for Gaga (she usually does better) but the music/beat is much more catchy than Hold it Against Me, in my opinion.

Tennisation
Feb 17th, 2011, 03:14 AM
Born this Way. The lyrics are underpar for Gaga (she usually does better) but the music/beat is much more catchy than Hold it Against Me, in my opinion.Really? What's considered on par? Rah rah ooh la la, roma ro ma ma, gaga ooh la la?

Roookie
Feb 17th, 2011, 04:09 AM
Born this Way. The lyrics are underpar for Gaga (she usually does better) but the music/beat is much more catchy than Hold it Against Me, in my opinion.

Really? What's considered on par? Rah rah ooh la la, roma ro ma ma, gaga ooh la la?

po po po poker face po po poker face
alejandro ale ale-jandro ale ale-jandro

BTW is Gaga's best single lyrics-wise :lol:

Julian.
Feb 18th, 2011, 02:45 AM
Britney's music video is out:

-Edv8Onsrgg

Tennisation
Feb 18th, 2011, 03:17 AM
Wow, what's with all the hype lately, she hardly danced in the video.

Roookie
Feb 18th, 2011, 03:33 AM
Lol at the fighting :lol:

eck
Feb 18th, 2011, 07:13 AM
That is a lot of product placement.

Wasn't plentyoffish.com or whatever in GaGa's Telephone?

Mistress of Evil
Feb 18th, 2011, 08:17 AM
SONY :bowdown: we get it. :weirdo: Not impressed, expected some whoring around with a super hot dude.

ElusiveChanteuse
Feb 18th, 2011, 08:35 AM
I guess that is for her fans.:shrug: :p

Chance
Feb 20th, 2011, 10:36 AM
I prefer Born this way. I loved Express yourself as a kid but I don't understand why people thing Lady Gaga ripped off madonna.

Richie's
Feb 20th, 2011, 11:12 AM
Both are :tape:
But I'm gonna on Britney's way ;)

Break My Rapture
Feb 20th, 2011, 11:28 AM
Can someone explain to me what this PlentyOfFish thing is that keeps appearing in vids recently? I saw it in We R Who We R and some others and now also in HIAM. :confused:

Ferg
Feb 20th, 2011, 11:47 AM
Wheres the 'Theyre both shite' option? :tears:

Break My Rapture
Feb 20th, 2011, 11:52 AM
Britney's music video is out:

-Edv8Onsrgg
LMAO at the dubstep part in the middle of the video. :tears: :sobbing: So weird.

Pump-it-UP
Feb 20th, 2011, 11:58 AM
Can someone explain to me what this PlentyOfFish thing is that keeps appearing in vids recently? I saw it in We R Who We R and some others and now also in HIAM. :confused:
It's a (low-budget) dating site. I think that they have a partnership with VEVO, so that's why they're getting so much product-placement.

I can't watch this video (because it's blocked in the US :o) but apparently there's a non-VEVO version of HIAM without the plentyoffish part...
JO_NQS1MRFk

Break My Rapture
Feb 20th, 2011, 12:01 PM
Ah I see, thanks. :yeah:

LeRoy.
Feb 23rd, 2011, 07:14 PM
The re-poll


The Britney Spears (http://www.billboard.com/events/artist/britney-spears/290150) vs. Lady Gaga (http://www.billboard.com/events/artist/lady-gaga/1003999) debate heated up on Billboard.com last week when we launched a readers' poll to let you decide whose new single -- Spears' "Hold It Against Me" or Gaga's "Born This Way" -- is the better one. A whopping 2.6 million votes were cast, and for the majority of the face-off period, the results were neck-and-neck.

Unfortunately, both Gaga and Britney fans spoke out about allegations of cheating in our poll. We took those accusations very seriously and communicated them to Polldaddy, who investigated the back-end of the poll. Unfortunately Polldaddy not able to confirm or deny that the poll had been compromised.

Because we want the results to be fair and your voices to be heard, we've decided to declare the results of our original poll invalid and present a new one with a more secure and cheat-proof poll system -- one that insures one vote per fan. We will be able to detect the use of bots and other cheating mechanisms in the poll, and those votes will be thrown out of the final tally. And we will be keeping the ongoing results of the poll private in other to further discourage cheating.

Starting now, Billboard.com's new Britney vs. Gaga poll is open, and voting will close on Monday (Feb. 21) at 11:59 p.m. EST. The winner will be announced Tuesday afternoon, so check back then to see which pop superstar came out on top.

Thanks for all your enthusiasm and your patience. Good luck to both Britney and Gaga!




The results

It's the moment you've all been waiting for... After millions of votes, cries of foul play, and a controversial but necessary do-over, we finally have a winner to our Britney Vs. Gaga song poll, and this time it wasn't even close.

Britney Spears (http://www.billboard.com/events/artist/britney-spears/290150) fans spoke loud and clear and named "Hold It Against Me" the overwhelming favorite with a whopping 68.7% of the vote. Lady Gaga (http://www.billboard.com/events/artist/lady-gaga/1003999)'s "Born This Way" took 26.7% of the votes. And 4.6% of Billboard.com visitors said they liked both songs and wished we could all just get along.

Despite the numbers, we're sure Lady Gaga isn't sweating it. Last week, "Born This Way" became the 1000th No. 1 song in the history of the Hot 100 chart. And just last night (Feb. 21), she ruled New York's Madison Square Garden (http://www.billboard.com/events/news/lady-gaga-previews-judas-lyrics-finishes-1005043602.story), filming a special for HBO that had Paul McCartney (http://www.billboard.com/events/artist/paul-mccartney/5162), Billie Joe Armstrong (http://www.billboard.com/events/artist/green-day/54578), and other celebs putting their paws up.


At the same time, Britney Spears is whetting fans' anticipation of her new album, "Femme Fatale" (due March 29); "Hold It Against Me" is also a Hot 100 chart-topper, and over the weekend she leaked two new songs, "Inside Out" and "I Wanna Go."


With so much more in store in 2011, we're sure the Britney vs. Gaga saga is far from over, but one thing is clear: these two leading ladies will keep pop music interesting for a long time to come.

MattMontgomery
Feb 25th, 2011, 04:14 AM
Both get stuck in your head after a few listens, but BTW's chorus melody is what sticks out more. My vote goes to Gaga.

Carotastrophe
Feb 25th, 2011, 09:04 AM
ohhh.. now i like HIAM better.. BTW got old really quickly, unlike Bad Romance. Anyways, BTW will have 2 music videos :D

LeRoy.
Feb 28th, 2011, 03:58 PM
The video for Born This Way is out !

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silverwhite
Feb 28th, 2011, 05:52 PM
What on earth? :help:

Clearly, she has run out of ideas :lol:

Break My Rapture
Feb 28th, 2011, 06:21 PM
:unsure: Whacko video. :sobbing:

Mistress of Evil
Feb 28th, 2011, 06:34 PM
Its definitely eclectic and too much out of the box but hey its GaGa.

moby
Feb 28th, 2011, 06:45 PM
I don't like the weak choreography in the middle although the opening and ending sequences were strong. Video didn't gel for me.

Stamp Paid
Feb 28th, 2011, 09:45 PM
I love the video not even gonna lie :sobbing:

mckyle.
Feb 28th, 2011, 10:02 PM
I love the video not even gonna lie :sobbing:

http://i54.tinypic.com/2n6g2s3.gif
http://i54.tinypic.com/3469wud.gif
http://i51.tinypic.com/nobm1h.gif
http://i53.tinypic.com/11sjz80.gif
http://i53.tinypic.com/vd0ima.gif

égalité
Feb 28th, 2011, 11:26 PM
The video is so good :sobbing:

Lady GodGod :worship:

northern lad
Mar 1st, 2011, 12:46 AM
still not crazy about the song, but the bitch turned it for the video. i :hearts: the nod to madonna at the end.

Julian.
Mar 1st, 2011, 12:58 AM
Every new music video of her never ceases to amaze me lol :bowdown:

Stamp Paid
Mar 1st, 2011, 02:11 AM
still not crazy about the song, but the bitch turned it for the video. i :hearts: the nod to madonna at the end.now thats how you pay homage bitch :lol::lol::lol:

Tennisation
Mar 1st, 2011, 02:33 AM
still not crazy about the song, but the bitch turned it for the video. i :hearts: the nod to madonna at the end.Talking about grandmother monster, did ya'll see what she was wearing to the oscar after party? :spit: but she somehow managed to look better than mother monster.

http://i.cocoperez.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/madonna-and-lola-2011-vanity-fair-oscar-party__oPt.jpg

hectopascal
Mar 1st, 2011, 10:15 AM
I love the video not even gonna lie :sobbing:

http://i.imgur.com/GrZCU.gif

The Witch-king
Mar 1st, 2011, 12:24 PM
Talking about grandmother monster, did ya'll see what she was wearing to the oscar after party? :spit: but she somehow managed to look better than mother monster.

http://i.cocoperez.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/madonna-and-lola-2011-vanity-fair-oscar-party__oPt.jpg

she should have worn skin-color bodysuit underneath :eek:

Brooks.
Mar 1st, 2011, 06:39 PM
that Gaga video is freaking great! Still not too crazy about the song but mad props on the video!

bailey
Mar 1st, 2011, 07:16 PM
I'm not native english speaking, so I just don't get the beginning:
"It doesn't matter if you love him, or capital H-I-M"
Can anyone explain what that means? :tape: I'm sorry, I now it can not be too sophisticated, but I just don't get it :lol:

The Witch-king
Mar 1st, 2011, 07:31 PM
I'm not native english speaking, so I just don't get the beginning:
"It doesn't matter if you love him, or capital H-I-M"
Can anyone explain what that means? :tape: I'm sorry, I now it can not be too sophisticated, but I just don't get it :lol:

I thought she mean him (as in a guy) and Him (as in God)

Vladiricky
Mar 1st, 2011, 10:38 PM
Well, I expected more from both... Much ado about nothing. :) But lovely message from Lady Gaga, that is nice.

Annie.
Mar 1st, 2011, 10:47 PM
I'm not native english speaking, so I just don't get the beginning:
"It doesn't matter if you love him, or capital H-I-M"
Can anyone explain what that means? :tape: I'm sorry, I now it can not be too sophisticated, but I just don't get it :lol:

Nothing to be ashamed of. I don't get it either and Gaga herself hasn't explained what it means so I guess it's up for interpretation.

Certinfy
Mar 1st, 2011, 11:02 PM
Hold It Against Me!

mckyle.
Mar 1st, 2011, 11:42 PM
Nothing to be ashamed of. I don't get it either and Gaga herself hasn't explained what it means so I guess it's up for interpretation.

She said to Carson Daly that it's "your vision of a higher power." She didn't want to specifically say God because some may not believe in God. Just a higher power. So, she's saying that being gay doesn't have to conflict with your spirituality, because it's the most troubling thing that a lot of gays deal with.

Annie.
Mar 2nd, 2011, 12:36 AM
She said to Carson Daly that it's "your vision of a higher power." She didn't want to specifically say God because some may not believe in God. Just a higher power. So, she's saying that being gay doesn't have to conflict with your spirituality, because it's the most troubling thing that a lot of gays deal with.

Ok, thanks.

K-Dog
Mar 2nd, 2011, 05:35 AM
As a huge GaGa fan from pretty much Just Dance, I am relatively disappointed with "Born This Way." The lyrics are lacking and the beat is really unoriginal. It sounds like everything that is already on my iPod. And the video for the song, don't even get me started. GaGa is being a little self-righteous. Like she's the progenitor of all open-minded and accepting people in this world. Right...... This whole Mother Monster and Little Monsters has gone to her head. It's old and a little weird for me. I look forward to hearing the Born This Way album, but I doubt it will compare to The Fame and The Fame Monster (both of which are classics in my book). She's playing up the album to be great. Well I don't like "Born This Way" or "You and I." Both are kinda tired if you ask me.

And as a gay man, I kinda feel exploited by GaGa lately. She's using our suffrage for equal human rights to get publicity and sell albums (I know that others have said this a while back, but I get it now). She needs to come up with something else quick, because I'm really tired of all of this from her end, and I think that the other gays will figure it out eventually too.
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Hold It Against Me is a great dance song. Definitely love hearing it at the bars and gay clubs. It's just a typical Britney song though. The video is just ok. Not liking the product placement or that whole fighting herself sequence. Plus I'm not sure how it ties in with the song. I would have to change my vote to this song, but there are way better songs on the radio right now (although not really that many).

Betten
Mar 2nd, 2011, 07:53 AM
They're both equally weak. Gaga's forced association with gay (sub)culture is tiring, as are Spears's advertising videos. And this so-called rivalry is obviously just a hype to increase sales for both, but it has always been that way of course. Paint me unimpressed.

Kylger
Mar 2nd, 2011, 08:39 AM
As a huge GaGa fan from pretty much Just Dance, I am relatively disappointed with "Born This Way." The lyrics are lacking and the beat is really unoriginal. It sounds like everything that is already on my iPod. And the video for the song, don't even get me started. GaGa is being a little self-righteous. Like she's the progenitor of all open-minded and accepting people in this world. Right...... This whole Mother Monster and Little Monsters has gone to her head. It's old and a little weird for me. I look forward to hearing the Born This Way album, but I doubt it will compare to The Fame and The Fame Monster (both of which are classics in my book). She's playing up the album to be great. Well I don't like "Born This Way" or "You and I." Both are kinda tired if you ask me.

And as a gay man, I kinda feel exploited by GaGa lately. She's using our suffrage for equal human rights to get publicity and sell albums (I know that others have said this a while back, but I get it now). She needs to come up with something else quick, because I'm really tired of all of this from her end, and I think that the other gays will figure it out eventually too.
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Hold It Against Me is a great dance song. Definitely love hearing it at the bars and gay clubs. It's just a typical Britney song though. The video is just ok. Not liking the product placement or that whole fighting herself sequence. Plus I'm not sure how it ties in with the song. I would have to change my vote to this song, but there are way better songs on the radio right now (although not really that many).


Couldn't agree more with the GaGa comment.

Having been a die-hard fan for GaGa since Just Dance came out and loving everything she put out from The Fame and The Fame Monster, I am seriously dissapointed in BTW so far. I do expect the BTW album to be a lot better.

Britney is definately winning right now in my books with her new album because the little leaks that have come are AMAZING.

Drake1980
Mar 2nd, 2011, 03:41 PM
LOL apparently I'm an obnoxious prick for not liking either one. And not knowing what Mediabase is. And liking good pop music.
And knowing what good pop music is. :o

I can't decide. They're both crap.

:lol:

Monica_Rules
Mar 2nd, 2011, 04:47 PM
Britneys single is utter shite.

Lady Gagas isn't her best but its still miles better

allhailwilliams
Mar 2nd, 2011, 05:14 PM
Who cares bout Brittany the booger eater, and gaga the Madonna wannabe.

new-york
Mar 4th, 2011, 08:40 PM
Britneys single is utter shite.

Lady Gagas isn't her best but its still miles better

Well i get your point but sometimes effective shit is easier on the ears than some boring quali-song.

idunno.