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moby
Feb 3rd, 2011, 03:57 AM
I'm too good for this nonsense anyway. :rolleyes:

In this thread, we discuss why graduate school sucks, why we are lucky to be receiving only rejection letters, and what lies in store for us?
(Does a Bachelor's still cut it anymore? Who gives a damn?)

Posts infused with bitterness and a virulent hatred towards life (and of course the idea of graduate school) are very welcome and may provoke me into doling out a good rep to the poster. Cheerful and inspirational posters, beware.

Morning Morgan
Feb 3rd, 2011, 04:04 AM
Grad schools are for losers. Fuck them.

delicatecutter
Feb 3rd, 2011, 04:04 AM
You're getting rejected? Shouldn't graduating from Yale get you automatically into anywhere you want to go?

Barrie_Dude
Feb 3rd, 2011, 04:06 AM
You're getting rejected? Shouldn't graduating from Yale get you automatically into anywhere you want to go?
You would think Yale would open some doors

moby
Feb 3rd, 2011, 04:06 AM
Apparently not. Maybe if I were an East Asian Studies major. Instead, I'm studying the most useless field known to mankind.

Grad schools are for losers. Fuck them.Word. Good rep for you.

Barrie_Dude
Feb 3rd, 2011, 04:07 AM
What are you studying?

Morning Morgan
Feb 3rd, 2011, 04:10 AM
Grad schools are the most useless in recognizing talent. They go for riff-raffs who just give good BJs.

moby
Feb 3rd, 2011, 04:12 AM
Grad schools are the most useless in recognizing talent. They go for riff-raffs who just give good BJs.I wish. :sobbing:

LeRoy.
Feb 3rd, 2011, 04:18 AM
I went to Grad school with full fellowship and have a PhD in biomedical engineering. :D Also I have zero debt in student loans.

moby
Feb 3rd, 2011, 04:19 AM
I went to Grad school with full fellowship and have a PhD in biomedical engineering. :D Also I have Zero debt in student loans.I warned you. :mad:

Also I always thought you are a teenager. But of course, maybe you are.

Crazy Canuck
Feb 3rd, 2011, 04:20 AM
I don't have a graduate degree, mostly because I can't afford to go. In the meantime, I get to travel the world doing something that I enjoy. In short, not having a graduate degree was a financial choice on my part, but one which has led me on a pretty fun path. So.... yay! Fuck 'em! Or something.

Crazy Canuck
Feb 3rd, 2011, 04:21 AM
Many people that I went to school with, almost all of whom got lower grades than I did, have graduate degrees. Because they didn't grow up poor. So, I suppose I could dwell on and curse that. But really, my graduate degree free life has been mostly magic. Yours can be, too!

I don't know why I needed two posts for that, either. Maybe if I had gone into debt another 20 grand for grad school I would have found a way to keep it to one?

delicatecutter
Feb 3rd, 2011, 04:24 AM
I went to Grad school with full fellowship and have a PhD in biomedical engineering. :D Also I have zero debt in student loans.

You've suddenly become a whole lot more appealing. :hearts:

Crazy Canuck
Feb 3rd, 2011, 04:27 AM
You've suddenly become a whole lot more appealing. :hearts:
Really? You must have missed the part where he wrote "engineering", thus killing all possible sex appeal. ;)

moby
Feb 3rd, 2011, 04:28 AM
I don't have a graduate degree, mostly because I can't afford to go. In the meantime, I get to travel the world doing something that I enjoy. In short, not having a graduate degree was a financial choice on my part, but one which has led me on a pretty fun path. So.... yay! Fuck 'em! Or something.I was planning to do a PhD and those are usually funded... but Yeah! Fuck 'em!

delicatecutter
Feb 3rd, 2011, 04:30 AM
Really? You must have missed the part where he wrote "engineering", thus killing all possible sex appeal. ;)

Are you male or female? I've been dying to know for years. And you seem like you could be anywhere from 25 to 35. And I'm trying to imagine your ethnicity also.

Morning Morgan
Feb 3rd, 2011, 04:35 AM
Harvard= toady snobs
Princeton=clueless elites
MIT=boring geeks
Stanford=coasting bastards
Caltech=overworked midgets

moby
Feb 3rd, 2011, 04:39 AM
Harvard= toady snobs
Princeton=clueless elites
MIT=boring geeks
Stanford=coasting bastards
Caltech=overworked midgetsYep, that's right.

Nailed the tone of this thread.

delicatecutter
Feb 3rd, 2011, 04:41 AM
What about Dartmouth? They seem to create happy students.

LeRoy.
Feb 3rd, 2011, 04:42 AM
Not trying to sound like a braggart but in Sep 2010 I got my own grant funding from the national cancer institute in the amount of $1 million to carry out breast cancer research. Also my GPA in grad school was a perfect 4.0/4.0. Just because I like Britney doesn't mean I am a stupid teenager.

Morning Morgan
Feb 3rd, 2011, 04:42 AM
Dartmouth has no discernable graduate school department to speak of. Non-entity.

mckyle.
Feb 3rd, 2011, 04:42 AM
I went to Grad school with full fellowship and have a PhD in biomedical engineering. :D Also I have zero debt in student loans.

Riiiiiiiiiight.

delicatecutter
Feb 3rd, 2011, 04:47 AM
Not trying to sound like a braggart but in Sep 2010 I got my own grant funding from the national cancer institute in the amount of $1 million to carry out breast cancer research. Also my GPA in grad school was a perfect 4.0/4.0. Just because I like Britney doesn't mean I am a stupid teenager.

Well clearly you are using your brains for things other than taste in music. :hearts:

moby
Feb 3rd, 2011, 04:48 AM
What about Dartmouth? They seem to create happy students.Their math department has a very discrete and applied flavour, and it's also a bit small. It also seems like it would be miserably cold. And Hanover is sort of a quaint little place. It was fun for a while, but could get old quick. Canoeing on the CT river was fun but painful, and anyway, you can only do that in the summer.

In any case, it's too late to put in applications now.


Dartmouth has no discernable graduate school department to speak of. Non-entity.That's the less politically correct way of putting it.

Crazy Canuck
Feb 3rd, 2011, 05:01 AM
Are you male or female? I've been dying to know for years. And you seem like you could be anywhere from 25 to 35. And I'm trying to imagine your ethnicity also.

I'm female. 28. Mary Louise Parker is my skin care idol.

I was planning to do a PhD and those are usually funded... but Yeah! Fuck 'em!

Usually is not good enough! Fuck 'em all!

Now that you have a free pass to an awesome year (I assume you'll apply again), what are you going to do? May I suggest that you begin by baking cookies? Or egging somebody's house?

delicatecutter
Feb 3rd, 2011, 05:03 AM
I was thinking you were female. Lesbian?

Crazy Canuck
Feb 3rd, 2011, 05:03 AM
Not trying to sound like a braggart but in Sep 2010 I got my own grant funding from the national cancer institute in the amount of $1 million to carry out breast cancer research. Also my GPA in grad school was a perfect 4.0/4.0. Just because I like Britney doesn't mean I am a stupid teenager.
People with book smarts can still be terrible at everything else. Including choosing which music to listen to. I say this as a person with book smarts who is terrible at many other things. I have no qualms with Spears, mind you.

Crazy Canuck
Feb 3rd, 2011, 05:05 AM
I was thinking you were female. Lesbian?
That's random, but okay. No.

Topic: Awesome things that Moby will do this year instead of grad schools. And egging grad schools. Go! Make a list. Make sure it includes awesome things.

delicatecutter
Feb 3rd, 2011, 05:08 AM
Do they have grad schools in Singapore? You might get accepted there more easily?

moby
Feb 3rd, 2011, 05:12 AM
Now that you have a free pass to an awesome year (I assume you'll apply again), what are you going to do? May I suggest that you begin by baking cookies? Or egging somebody's house?I should probably get a nice job so that I don't mooch off my parents anymore. Things don't always work out how you want... I originally planned on academia, at least for a while. I don't know if I'll apply again; this process is much too stressful and I'm don't want to inconvenience my letter writers by having them involved in the process again, even if it takes all of 5 minutes for them to go online and upload a letter. It's also slightly embarassing.

Maybe I'll get in somewhere still! I haven't got official rejections everywhere. But at this point, I know first round offers have been made at most places I applied to and not hearing from them yet probably means that the ship has sailed. Or that I'm waiting for the rare case where someone passes on an offer and a spot opens up.

Fun activities: I was indeed thinking about baking! It's a happy activity and smells nice. I could also write, or something.

cellophane
Feb 3rd, 2011, 05:24 AM
Why do you want to subject yourself to grad school? Egads.

delicatecutter
Feb 3rd, 2011, 05:30 AM
Well at least your parents have means for you to mooch off of. Not everyone is so fortunate.

moby
Feb 3rd, 2011, 05:33 AM
Why do you want to subject yourself to grad school? Egads.You know, that's a really pertinent remark.

I'm clearly a little touched in the head and not the sharpest tool in the toolbox. Making questionable life decisions is my forte.

Guys, I think we've established the general suckitude of grad schools.

delicatecutter
Feb 3rd, 2011, 05:36 AM
Also you bitching about me vlogging when you're made a similarily attention-whorish kind of thread is very interesting to me. :lol:

moby
Feb 3rd, 2011, 05:38 AM
Also you bitching about me vlogging when you're made a similarily attention-whorish kind of thread is very interesting to me. :lol:This wasn't going to be a personal thread until you made it so by revealing my undergraduate institution in the third post of this thread.

It was a thread for all of us involved in the process who are stressed out by it. And also those who've been in similar-ish situations, and might provide advice.

delicatecutter
Feb 3rd, 2011, 05:41 AM
This wasn't going to be a personal thread until you made it so by revealing my undergraduate institution in the third post of this thread.

Yes, because you were just going to bitch about something that had nothing to do with you personally and what you are going through? :happy:

moby
Feb 3rd, 2011, 05:44 AM
Yes, because you were just going to bitch about something that had nothing to do with you personally and what you are going through? :happy:That does not mean I'm willing to reveal personal information about myself.
It's Chinese New Year, so I'm not going to accept your offer to pick a fight with me. Please go somewhere else.

delicatecutter
Feb 3rd, 2011, 05:50 AM
I'm not picking a fight with you. I just call it how I see it. :shrug:

Apoleb
Feb 3rd, 2011, 05:53 AM
Why grad schools suck:

- you're pretty much a slave for your PI
- you work your ass off and probably have to come on weekends
- there's no end in sight: after all this work, you're most likely not going to have your dream job in academia and who the hell knows if you can make it into industry either
- you spend all your freaking time in the lab. People, where are they?
- academics have some of the biggest ego's you'll see in your life. In other words, most of them are dickheads
- you have to be willing to screw everyone and lose part of your humanity. Otherwise, you'll get screwed.

If you're really bitter, the Economist had an article a couples of weeks ago about why PhD's are useless. :D

The disposable academic
Why doing a PhD is often a waste of time

http://www.economist.com/node/17723223

Apoleb
Feb 3rd, 2011, 05:56 AM
OTOH, on the bright side grad school applications are a joke in comparison to applications to med school and other professional schools. But that's not surprising, because PhD's are terrible.

Anyway, stop the drama because you'll get accepted.

moby
Feb 3rd, 2011, 06:16 AM
Anyway, stop the drama because you'll get accepted.I don't know if I believe this anymore. Experimental evidence is not bearing this out.
I should probably have applied to more appropriate places. But hindsight is 20/20.

Apoleb
Feb 3rd, 2011, 06:21 AM
^if you're still set, find a position in someone's lab. Research experience counts for everything, and PhD applications basically play like job applications. Applications to terrible jobs with very little pay, that is. Contact the people you're interested in working with before you even apply by asking them if they have a spot for you. If someone can "sponsor" you and looks excited, you're half way there.

delicatecutter
Feb 3rd, 2011, 06:24 AM
I die for Apoleb advice. :hearts:

Expat
Feb 3rd, 2011, 07:38 AM
I have been planning to do my Masters in either Finance or Business for years now but this economy keeps me wedded to my job. Its a good paying job so I am not complaining though. But seriously the amount of idiots that come from our MBA schools :help: . Got to have a degree from an Asian Business School I think. They are infinitely more competitive than easy American schools.

Thankfully I have my parents inheritance to fall back upon.

edit: Didn't you apply outside Yale/Harvard? Its pretty hard not to get a seat in an American university. This isn't Singapore or China for heavens sake.

delicatecutter
Feb 3rd, 2011, 07:43 AM
Very thankfully.

The Witch-king
Feb 3rd, 2011, 07:50 AM
Well u know what they say bout rejection being the greatest aphrodisiac

http://www.sushi-suzuki.com/blog/uploaded_images/Rejection-Letter-716660.jpg

The Witch-king
Feb 3rd, 2011, 07:56 AM
http://www.oddee.com/_media/imgs/articles2/a97151_g101_6-match-makin2.jpg

Haimar
Feb 3rd, 2011, 08:17 AM
I really don't get that american system. Here in Belgium everyone can start a Bachelor degree, for a really small price compared to other countries and we still have good universities according to the lists that are being made every year of best universities in the world.

it's quite sad actually that people can't study what they want, where they want, if you ask me. :o

The Witch-king
Feb 3rd, 2011, 08:25 AM
I really don't get that american system. Here in Belgium everyone can start a Bachelor degree, for a really small price compared to other countries and we still have good universities according to the lists that are being made every year of best universities in the world.

it's quite sad actually that people can't study what they want, where they want, if you ask me. :o

Moby is talking about a masters degree

Expat
Feb 3rd, 2011, 08:28 AM
I really don't get that american system. Here in Belgium everyone can start a Bachelor degree, for a really small price compared to other countries and we still have good universities according to the lists that are being made every year of best universities in the world.

it's quite sad actually that people can't study what they want, where they want, if you ask me. :o
The flip side of European free education is that you have too many graduates in history or philosophy who then do not want to work as manual labor etc and stay unemployed. At least that was my observation of Spain.

Haimar
Feb 3rd, 2011, 10:09 AM
Moby is talking about a masters degree

Well everyone who passes his Bachelor can start a master, no applying, nothing. Only for a PhD we have to apply.

The flip side of European free education is that you have too many graduates in history or philosophy who then do not want to work as manual labor etc and stay unemployed. At least that was my observation of Spain.

I kind of get that when you study philosophy you don't want to do manual labor :lol: But it's true we do have some difficulty finding jobs, but still, everybody should be able to study what they like and not just something that makes them get a job easier, imo.

Morning Morgan
Feb 3rd, 2011, 10:10 AM
Moby is talking about a PhD degree.

ampers&
Feb 3rd, 2011, 11:41 AM
Was thinking about going to grad school when I finished Peace Corps, but I think I'm better off working in sustainable agriculture or some environmental organization. One that'll allow me to travel inside and outside America making a positive impact.

Grad school isn't necessary for MOST fields anyway. People always overestimate the importance of a Masters degree.

silverwhite
Feb 3rd, 2011, 12:49 PM
Are you male or female? I've been dying to know for years. And you seem like you could be anywhere from 25 to 35. And I'm trying to imagine your ethnicity also.

:speakles:

silverwhite
Feb 3rd, 2011, 01:11 PM
Anyway, I'm really surprised. It's their loss, TBH :shrug:

New_balls_please
Feb 3rd, 2011, 04:10 PM
I've been in grad school for almost 3 years now :cheer: 2 more years and I'll be done :cheer: I CAN DO THIS!!!!!!!!!!

debby
Feb 3rd, 2011, 07:51 PM
Was thinking about going to grad school when I finished Peace Corps, but I think I'm better off working in sustainable agriculture or some environmental organization. One that'll allow me to travel inside and outside America making a positive impact.

Grad school isn't necessary for MOST fields anyway. People always overestimate the importance of a Masters degree.

So how could you find some GOOD jobs without have graduated ? :confused:
Here in France, a Masters degree especially in business and management is almost asked everywhere...

I mean, as my parents are kinda poor, I have a scholarship every month, and thanks to that, I will only pay 4€10 of uni fees :)
At the third year, I will have to be accepted in an university, but it is much easier than for a Masters degree because you have to pass some tests and maybe even a study interview or something ! (I am not sure if it is the right word :tape: anyway) , you need to have good grades in order to get the uni you want the most.

So it is good IMO, of course we don't have worldwide famous uni such as Havard, but at least, everyone can afford uni fees and a degree if they work well.

Anyway, I have just learnt that there were only 115 people out of 350 who passed the first year... I am a bit nervous, I thought I did well, but now I know that, I can't help thinking I may have overrated myself. :o


Back to the subject : my eldest bro has graduated after 8 years so I guess it is a PhD degree as well. Well, he has not even finished his research job he has already an offer in Paris. That's great !

In which field have you a PhD degree ?

Kart
Feb 3rd, 2011, 09:26 PM
moby, if you do not get into grad school it is a sign.

Get a job.

You will be a happier man.

Go to grad school later if you still want to.

You've probably sacrificed enough time already in your life working hard when you could have played.

Hurley
Feb 3rd, 2011, 09:35 PM
I'm don't want to inconvenience my letter writers by having them involved in the process again, even if it takes all of 5 minutes for them to go online and upload a letter. It's also slightly embarassing.

Totally this.

I got a Master's and then went back to my old job two years after they threw me a big congratulatory party! Now I do exactly the same thing for exactly the same amount of money. Yay! :D

้galit้
Feb 3rd, 2011, 10:00 PM
Try again! I'm in a math PhD program right now and it's the greatest thing ever. Nerd paradise.

debby
Feb 3rd, 2011, 10:39 PM
I will never understand how people can like maths lol I hate that even if I have a scientific bac (I don't know how to say it in English but that's the diplom we get at the end of high school), I can't figure (and don't want lol) how math must be complex in a PhD program :tape:

Noctis
Feb 3rd, 2011, 10:40 PM
I am working on my Psychology PhD
In UK it's important to have degrees and been Graduate
We have very good Unis .I went to King George established since 1908.Had a good time
I guess Grad schools in America is rly bad

Crazy Canuck
Feb 3rd, 2011, 10:50 PM
Try again! I'm in a math PhD program right now and it's the greatest thing ever. Nerd paradise.
Maths Nerd Paradise sounds like the hunkiest place on earth.

Noctis
Feb 3rd, 2011, 11:07 PM
You have nerds that's good looking ,it's all good :rolls:

moby
Feb 4th, 2011, 04:46 AM
Maths Nerd Paradise sounds like the hunkiest place on earth.It's not the hunkiest place on earth, but it's not bad.

Moby is talking about a PhD degree.I'm talking about both, but in my case it can't be a terminal Masters program because those are expensive.

DaMamaJama87
Feb 4th, 2011, 05:19 AM
If you are going to Yale you WILL get into one of your top choices. Stop worrying and get on with it. You could always get into a Canadian school at the last minute if you are desperate. The Canadian schools have later deadlines.

debby
Feb 4th, 2011, 06:33 AM
I am working on my Psychology PhD
In UK it's important to have degrees and been Graduate
We have very good Unis .I went to King George established since 1908.Had a good time
I guess Grad schools in America is rly bad
Wait ? :speakles:

1/ You are way older than I thought !
2/ You don't actually live in China !
3/ You don't sound like a psychologist at all :happy: but great for you, I wish you good luck. :yeah:

The Witch-king
Feb 4th, 2011, 08:33 AM
Wait ? :speakles:

1/ You are way older than I thought !
2/ You don't actually live in China !
3/ You don't sound like a psychologist at all :happy: but great for you, I wish you good luck. :yeah:

IKR. :lol:

ampers&
Feb 4th, 2011, 09:05 AM
So how could you find some GOOD jobs without have graduated ? :confused:
Here in France, a Masters degree especially in business and management is almost asked everywhere...

I mean, as my parents are kinda poor, I have a scholarship every month, and thanks to that, I will only pay 4€10 of uni fees :)
At the third year, I will have to be accepted in an university, but it is much easier than for a Masters degree because you have to pass some tests and maybe even a study interview or something ! (I am not sure if it is the right word :tape: anyway) , you need to have good grades in order to get the uni you want the most.

So it is good IMO, of course we don't have worldwide famous uni such as Havard, but at least, everyone can afford uni fees and a degree if they work well.

I was making over $50,000 a year as an undergrad in an internship program in America. When I graduated with my BA. I would have been making $60,000+ a year starting out. That's a GOOD job. The only reason I quit was because I wanted to join Peace Corps. For a lot of jobs experience > masters degree. I'm sure that, when I get back to America, my years of experience in my field will get me a good job faster than people who graduated with a Masters degree. Of that, I'm sure. But that's just field specific.

Anyway, there are a lot of good jobs that don't require a masters degree. At least in America. Trust me on that. It all depends on where you look.

Ksenia.
Feb 4th, 2011, 09:19 AM
Fees :scared: You can get a PhD in Estonia for free. If you're smart enough, of course.
And hands off maths, it's love.

debby
Feb 4th, 2011, 07:58 PM
I was making over $50,000 a year as an undergrad in an internship program in America. When I graduated with my BA. I would have been making $60,000+ a year starting out. That's a GOOD job. The only reason I quit was because I wanted to join Peace Corps. For a lot of jobs experience > masters degree. I'm sure that, when I get back to America, my years of experience in my field will get me a good job faster than people who graduated with a Masters degree. Of that, I'm sure. But that's just field specific.

Anyway, there are a lot of good jobs that don't require a masters degree. At least in America. Trust me on that. It all depends on where you look.

But how can you get some experience without grade ? That's the thing.

Here, you need to have been graduated.. I mean, here, for good jobs, they are looking at your diploms then your experience... Here, if you have loads of €€€€€, you can try several schools, then one of them accepts you... and in most of them, you need to pay fees (which are really high for these schools) and voila, you are graduated, and you have a job straight after the school.

That's disgusting. I hate that system because let's take an engineering school (very expensive) and a scientific university/school (cheap one) : the first will always be priviligied even if they have never worked in a lab or something, unlike students from the second one....

My father (who has only a 2years formation) had to work with an engineer because he could not do some shit :help: and he is paid like 2000 € more than my dad earns... and he has been working here since he is 17 (he is 46 now) :help:

Anyway.

I am getting nervous, I will know next week if I passed my mid-years exams :tape: :tape: Only 110 students out of 340 succeed. I thought I did well until the teacher gave us these numbers....

Dodoboy.
Feb 4th, 2011, 08:47 PM
http://www.economist.com/node/17723223
The disposable academic
Why doing a PhD is often a waste of time

Worth a read

Noctis
Feb 4th, 2011, 10:20 PM
Wait ? :speakles:

1/ You are way older than I thought !
2/ You don't actually live in China !
3/ You don't sound like a psychologist at all :happy: but great for you, I wish you good luck. :yeah:

IKR. :lol:

Oh pls :rolls: Everyone here hides what they really do, it is also useless to use Philosophy on anyone,might aswell be fundamental and use informal language here. I never said I am in China in the first place :spit:

Crazy Canuck
Feb 4th, 2011, 10:33 PM
Shit. If I knew I was supposed to be hiding what I do on here, I would have claimed I was in the circus.

debby
Feb 4th, 2011, 10:36 PM
Oh pls :rolls: Everyone here hides what they really do, it is also useless to use Philosophy on anyone,might aswell be fundamental and use informal language here. I never said I am in China in the first place :spit:

I hated Philosophy at the high school but IMO it is useless for young people, I mean, you have to be mature to study it.
Since you study psychology and that you kinda know me on GM, does I have a mental disorder ? :p jk

Yeah but you had a Chinese flag, and you can speak Chinese so I figured that you were from China... my bad

and Naruto rocks :rocker2:

Shit. If I knew I was supposed to be hiding what I do on here, I would have claimed I was in the circus.

Or that you were a gay guy to please delicatecutter. :p Just kidding !!!!!! :lol:

Morning Morgan
Feb 25th, 2011, 02:40 PM
I'm reviving this thread.

Fuck grad schools, those potent pieces of shit called the admissions committee.