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chuvack
Jan 25th, 2011, 10:48 AM
Why are commentators so focused on pointing out how tired Francesca is after that match, when ATP players routinely (well, not routinely, but often enough) play 5-set matches in Slams, come back after a rest day and win their next round?

Francesca is very very fit. There was no need to turn her match against Wozniacki into a pity party. Schiavone showed that, like the men, she is tough enough to play a 5-setter and come back roaring to go in the next round. Too bad she didn't win it.

So Disrespectful
Jan 25th, 2011, 11:05 AM
Because the workload was the equivalent of a men's long five setter?

goldenlox
Jan 25th, 2011, 11:07 AM
Its probably because of Fran's age. I expect Wozniacki to play 5 hours then play 5 hours the next night.
Men do that USO SF & F, they can play 10 hours of high quality in 2 days

itzhak
Jan 25th, 2011, 11:10 AM
Are you serious? 5 sets are usually taken less time and if somebody play 4:44 hours he have big problem for his next match, very big problem...

Mekoro
Jan 25th, 2011, 11:10 AM
Men are vastly superior physically to women, we don't need to do this debate right?

Even with that fact, some are still tired for their next match.

Potato
Jan 25th, 2011, 11:12 AM
Men are physically superior to females, it's science, no need to argue that. Most of the womens draw would be gone if the WTA played 5 setters.

Francesca's passion for the game overrides her fatigue, it's something that we all love to watch and is very inspirational.

madmax
Jan 25th, 2011, 11:16 AM
Well for starters Fransexa is a woman and she does a lot more running and scrambling than any ATP player in the same time frame. Men also are not robots - Isner was dead on his feet in his next match after beating Mahut and was trashed thoroughly. And his game mainly consists of huge serves and putaways.

chuvack
Jan 25th, 2011, 11:22 AM
Its probably because of Fran's age. I expect Wozniacki to play 5 hours then play 5 hours the next night.
Men do that USO SF & F, they can play 10 hours of high quality in 2 days


Not really. The men really struggle without the rest day at USO if they have a 5-set semifinal. Luckily the last 3 years, the Sunday final has been rained out.

Shinjiro
Jan 25th, 2011, 11:35 AM
still not enough for the Djoker last year... and had Fed known it was going to rain, maybe he wouldn't have felt the need to tank sets to save energy for the final...

Betten
Jan 25th, 2011, 11:37 AM
Newsflash! Women have different bodies than men!

:eek:

Lord Choc Ice
Jan 25th, 2011, 11:38 AM
Why are commentators so focused on pointing out how tired Francesca is after that match, when ATP players routinely (well, not routinely, but often enough) play 5-set matches in Slams, come back after a rest day and win their next round?

Francesca is very very fit. There was no need to turn her match against Wozniacki into a pity party. Schiavone showed that, like the men, she is tough enough to play a 5-setter and come back roaring to go in the next round. Too bad she didn't win it.

Verdasco and Nadal's epic 5 setter semifinal at the '09 AO was I think 5 hours and 14 minutes and it was the longest match in AO history. This match was only about half an hour less than that, so this match was definitely longer than most 5-setters.

Steadyniacki
Jan 25th, 2011, 11:39 AM
Fran > ATP tour

Shinjiro
Jan 25th, 2011, 11:45 AM
Fran > Fat Dave

TheHangover
Jan 25th, 2011, 11:57 AM
you have to consider she is 30, and that her game is reaaly defensive, i think she ran at least 1/3 more than sveta in her match,plus she is not a man (despite what someone say on this forum), and finally in her post match interview she said that she could have run for other 5 km after the match with wozniacki and she thinks she did't loose for tiredness but because she did't take her chances

debby
Jan 25th, 2011, 11:59 AM
Men are physically superior to females, it's science, no need to argue that. Most of the womens draw would be gone if the WTA played 5 setters.

Francesca's passion for the game overrides her fatigue, it's something that we all love to watch and is very inspirational.

:awww: I love Fran.

Well for starters Fransexa is a woman and she does a lot more running and scrambling than any ATP player in the same time frame. Men also are not robots - Isner was dead on his feet in his next match after beating Mahut and was trashed thoroughly. And his game mainly consists of huge serves and putaways.

Nalbandian :spit:

Fran > Fat Dave

:spit:

Shinjiro
Jan 25th, 2011, 12:02 PM
fitness wise, then again it was a joke ( see the post before mine ? )... never compare men and women anyway.

BepaMaria
Jan 25th, 2011, 12:26 PM
Men have better fitness than women(even though Fran acts and looks like a man), plus Fran is already 30. If Fatbandian, a man, had to retire in a match tired after playing a 5-setter 2 days before, you'd fully expect Schiavone to be fatigued as well:shrug:

oomph
Jan 25th, 2011, 12:41 PM
Men are vastly superior physically to women, we don't need to do this debate right?

Men are physically superior to females, it's science, no need to argue that. Most of the womens draw would be gone if the WTA played 5 setters.

Not at stamina you tools.

Territory
Jan 25th, 2011, 01:32 PM
Verdasco and Nadal's epic 5 setter semifinal at the '09 AO was I think 5 hours and 14 minutes and it was the longest match in AO history. This match was only about half an hour less than that, so this match was definitely longer than most 5-setters.

This. Men's matches that go to 5 are usually around 3-3.5 hours, about 40 minutes a set on average.

But the other thing with Schiavone's 16-14 3rd set, is that a set like that is really psychologically exhausting. Much more than a men's 5th set that might be 6-4 or 7-5. There were a good 90 minutes of really mentally intense tennis that those two players went through, which is also exhausting.

The other thing is that men are conditioned and half-expect to play lengthy matches. Women players would never expect to play for nearly five hours and would never train for it.

MegaDethly
Jan 25th, 2011, 01:38 PM
Men are vastly superior physically to women, we don't need to do this debate right?

Even with that fact, some are still tired for their next match.

Women are physically inferior? Why, because men can do the same thing a woman can do but for a bit longer?

The 100 metres? There's a couple of seconds difference. The hammer throw? There's a few metres difference. Weighlifting, there's a few kg difference. Get it? We can do it all. On top of all this we live longer than men, we work harder, we remain healthier and are able to endure more pain. Also that thing called childbirth! Look at what Kim Clijsters has done. The female homo sapien is the most remarkable and complex being on this planet.

To say men have superior bodies is absolutely laughable on every possible level. What Fran and Kuznetsova acheived was a match that was only half an hour less than the longest mens 5-setter in AO history, and they are women. Fran is 30.

Sit down you fool.

Vartan
Jan 25th, 2011, 01:46 PM
you have to consider she is 30, and that her game is reaaly defensive, i think she ran at least 1/3 more than sveta in her match,plus she is not a man (despite what someone say on this forum), and finally in her post match interview she said that she could have run for other 5 km after the match with wozniacki and she thinks she did't loose for tiredness but because she did't take her chances

:hysteric:

slamchamp
Jan 25th, 2011, 01:58 PM
Fran > Fat DaveNalbandian has played many times 5 setters in australia and didnt have major problems..well this year was different can't blame him 9-7 in the 5th must have been hard

MegaDethly
Jan 25th, 2011, 02:02 PM
Chuvack should get the title of this thread changed because it's factually wrong.

Claycourter
Jan 25th, 2011, 02:04 PM
Women are physically inferior? Why, because men can do the same thing a woman can do but for a bit longer?

The 100 metres? There's a couple of seconds difference. The hammer throw? There's a few metres difference. Weighlifting, there's a few kg difference. Get it? We can do it all. On top of all this we live longer than men, we work harder, we remain healthier and are able to endure more pain. Also that thing called childbirth! Look at what Kim Clijsters has done. The female homo sapien is the most remarkable and complex being on this planet.

To say men have superior bodies is absolutely laughable on every possible level. What Fran and Wozniacki acheived was a match that was only half an hour less than the longest mens 5-setter in AO history, and they are women. Fran is 30.

Sit down you fool.

:yeah:

You've convinced me. Let's make WTA slams best of 5 sets.

Potato
Jan 25th, 2011, 02:10 PM
Women are physically inferior? Why, because men can do the same thing a woman can do but for a bit longer?

The 100 metres? There's a couple of seconds difference. The hammer throw? There's a few metres difference. Weighlifting, there's a few kg difference. Get it? We can do it all. On top of all this we live longer than men, we work harder, we remain healthier and are able to endure more pain. Also that thing called childbirth! Look at what Kim Clijsters has done. The female homo sapien is the most remarkable and complex being on this planet.

To say men have superior bodies is absolutely laughable on every possible level. What Fran and Wozniacki acheived was a match that was only half an hour less than the longest mens 5-setter in AO history, and they are women. Fran is 30.

Sit down you fool.

The women work just as hard as the men, it's just that a female's body is not efficient enough as a male's.

On average men are physically stronger than women because the average man is larger, more robust and has a greater proportion of muscle mass than the average women. Having longer limbs means you have a longer lever to exert force with, having larger muscle mass (controlled by testosterone) means there is more pushing force at the end of the lever. Men are generally more robust meaning their bone structure is larger than that of women, this is needed to cope with the extra forces exerted by the increased muscle. If the bones weren't thickened they would fracture more easily. Women carry a greater proportion of body fat than men and have trimmed back on muscle tissue, it has been suggested that these are adaptions to make them more fit to carry babies to term and produce milk when food is scarce.

I use the phrase "on average" as clearly not all men are stronger than all women. Most men would struggle to out lift a female weightlifter for example.

Look at all the injuries we have on the WTA, we play best of 3 sets, imagine what it would be like if WTA would be best of 5.

thrust
Jan 25th, 2011, 02:21 PM
you have to consider she is 30, and that her game is reaaly defensive, i think she ran at least 1/3 more than sveta in her match,plus she is not a man (despite what someone say on this forum), and finally in her post match interview she said that she could have run for other 5 km after the match with wozniacki and she thinks she did't loose for tiredness but because she did't take her chances

I have come to love Fran and her game. Her first set and a half was near perfect textbook tennis. Tennis as it should and used to be played by former greats. Fran may not have felt physically tired, or is just being gracious but I am sure her many mistakes the last set and a half were do to physical and mental tirdness. One must give credit to Caro for her change in strategy. As with two of her matches agains Lena last year, she raised the quality of her game when she was on the brink of defeat. What Caro needs to do is be more aggressive from the start of the match in order to put her opponents on the defensive early in the match. For me, Francesca is now my joint favorite player, along with Justine.

Mary Cherry.
Jan 25th, 2011, 02:41 PM
Let's be honest, the general public would be fucking bored to death by a typical best of 5 women's match.

n1_and_uh_noone
Jan 25th, 2011, 07:07 PM
So? The physical toll is just one part of the equation. Do you know how taxing it is mentally to keep hanging in there, save matchpoints etc? That is why Djokovic looked spent even 2 days after the end of the USO semi that was under 4 hours and had at least 2 easy sets.

Ferg
Jan 25th, 2011, 07:24 PM
Shes past 30, played for almost 5 fucking hours and had some long matchs even before that, throw in a dodgy thigh too.

Shinjiro
Jan 25th, 2011, 07:27 PM
Shes past 30, played for almost 5 fucking hours and had some long matchs even before that, throw in a dodgy thigh too.

Some Caro fans will still tell you that she was fresh as a daisy. :awww:

Ferg
Jan 25th, 2011, 07:30 PM
Some Caro fans will still tell you that she was fresh as a daisy. :awww:

Some Caro fans also think Caro is the best player in the world so... :tape:

Ferg
Jan 25th, 2011, 07:32 PM
Quite honestly it wouldnt surprise me a single bit if Fran did more running than Isner did in his long match. Probably not Mahut though.