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tenn_ace
Jan 24th, 2011, 08:01 PM
None of them may very well do it again, but if we have to bet money on one of them, which one of them will it be?

goldenlox
Jan 24th, 2011, 08:03 PM
Sveta, she could be one of the FO favorites based on her AO form. She had match points against Fran after beating Justine.

tenn_ace
Jan 24th, 2011, 08:04 PM
Personally, I think it is Sveta just because she will have a longer career. (PS. Me being her biggest fan has nothing to do with my decision. :angel: Honestly :p)

goldenlox
Jan 24th, 2011, 08:07 PM
I'm not sure what's going on with Maria. I thought she had a good USO series, and I thought she was a top 5 USO contender. Sveta also.
After losing to Wozniacki, Maria lost to Krumm, Vesnina, Arn and 26 36 to Petkovic. It seems like she took a step backwards.
I thought Sveta just played very well in a tough section.

Shvedbarilescu
Jan 24th, 2011, 08:14 PM
Plainly and simply, the one without the rotator cuff injury.

Craig.
Jan 24th, 2011, 08:17 PM
Sveta, doubt she will though.

John.
Jan 24th, 2011, 08:34 PM
Sveta has a better chance, but I don't really see either of them winning another tbh :shrug:

Miss Atomic Bomb
Jan 24th, 2011, 08:37 PM
Sveta is slowly recovering from her post-slam-win slump but I honestly don't see any of them winning a Slam anytime soon. Sveta might be in a slightly better form, but I still consider Sharapova a better match player.

TennisFan66
Jan 24th, 2011, 08:42 PM
Kuznetsova.

Ralph214
Jan 24th, 2011, 08:52 PM
Sveta in FO 2014 :cheer:

Ferg
Jan 24th, 2011, 08:53 PM
Sexlana clearly. She has the SEX Factor and she still beats good players.

VeeJJ
Jan 24th, 2011, 09:38 PM
Both, everyone on here is all caught up on instant gratification. Both these girls will be around after 2012 when the main contenders retire. And they could both win one before then. One thing this whole board doesn't have is patients

AcesHigh
Jan 24th, 2011, 09:48 PM
Sveta will win one again.. I'm almost sure of it. She's shown she's capable of great tennis still.. only problem is her head. Plus she's a much better athlete.

Sharapova has physical issues it seem she won't get over. Plus it doesn't help that she's not a great athlete.

justineheninfan
Jan 24th, 2011, 09:49 PM
Sharapova by far for me. I would be shocked if Kuznetsova ever won another slam. It is already miracle enough she won 2, plus she is already past her prime. Sharapova is past her prime too it seems, but she is still far more a champion and far more capable of beating top player than Kuznetsova. I am not sure if Maria will win another but she is more likely than Kuznetsova too.

And given Maria's popularity on this board I am very surprised at the poll results so far.

Pops Maellard
Jan 24th, 2011, 09:49 PM
Sexlana.

tenn_ace
Jan 24th, 2011, 10:36 PM
Sharapova by far for me. I would be shocked if Kuznetsova ever won another slam. It is already miracle enough she won 2, plus she is already past her prime. Sharapova is past her prime too it seems, but she is still far more a champion and far more capable of beating top player than Kuznetsova. I am not sure if Maria will win another but she is more likely than Kuznetsova too.

And given Maria's popularity on this board I am very surprised at the poll results so far.


Actually, it is good that people are voting objectively. To say that Sveta's GS's titles were miracle just shows that you either do not know tennis or not over Sveta beating your fav player.

cellophane
Jan 24th, 2011, 10:38 PM
Actually, it is good that people are voting objectively. To say that Sveta's GS's titles were miracle just shows that you either do not know tennis or not over Sveta beating your fav player.

Her 2004 US Open win was most certainly a miracle. Bad rep me if you want. She faced an injured Davenport who was beating up on her before the injury, and a hobbled Dementieva as well. She wouldn't have won that slam if it weren't for Davenport's injury IMO

Ferg
Jan 24th, 2011, 10:48 PM
Actually, it is good that people are voting objectively. To say that Sveta's GS's titles were miracle just shows that you either do not know tennis or not over Sveta beating your fav player.

Look at the players name in his account name. then look at her most recent loss. therein lies the answer...

tenn_ace
Jan 24th, 2011, 10:52 PM
Her 2004 US Open win was most certainly a miracle. Bad rep me if you want. She faced an injured Davenport who was beating up on her before the injury, and a hobbled Dementieva as well. She wouldn't have won that slam if it weren't for Davenport's injury IMO
well she beat Nadia. Who beat Enna Hardenne. So why did Enna not use this opportunity to catch a miracle? :scratch:

tenn_ace
Jan 24th, 2011, 10:55 PM
Look at the players name in his account name. then look at her most recent loss. therein lies the answer...


excellent point :worship:

justineheninfan
Jan 24th, 2011, 10:55 PM
Actually, it is good that people are voting objectively. To say that Sveta's GS's titles were miracle just shows that you either do not know tennis or not over Sveta beating your fav player.

The fact you dont think Kuznetsova's slam wins were at all lucky shows it is you who does not know tennis. And Henin was so crap at this Australian I am glad she went out to Svetlana rather than getting destroyed by a way stronger player in the later rounds. I am also glad Svetlana was allowed to put on the true performance of her own career, her extraordinary round of 16 loss to Schiavone where she probably impressed most people more than she has ever impressed anyone before, including her 2 far from dazzling slam victories.

Her 2004 U.S Open win was lucky in a whole host of ways but most all Davenport who everyone unaminously agrees would have won that year for sure reinjured an old injury while killing Kunzetsova in the semis, and Kuznetsova came back over a hobbling Davenport who could barely move to win (Lindsay still nearly won anyway).

And the 2009 French was one of the weakest draws to a slam ever. Serena on clay at this point in her career, big match rookie Stosur, and then Safina in the final.

You want further proof she was lucky? Well first of all she did not produce even a single slam win over Serena, Henin, Venus, Clijsters, Sharapova, Mauresmo, Jankovic, Ivanovic, or anyone noteable in between her two slams. How can someone go their whole career with about 2 big wins in slams and still win 2 and make 4 finals? Not to mention the two times she played a real opponent in the final rather than a slamless headcase she got thrashed.

By the way if you wish dig up the poll of best 2 slam winner between Mauresmo, Pierce, and Kuznetsova. Kuznetsova received almost no votes and is miles behind the other two. I guess everyone else doesnt know tennis either. :lol:

tenn_ace
Jan 24th, 2011, 10:56 PM
Her 2004 U.S Open win was lucky in a whole host of ways but most all Davenport who everyone unaminously agrees would have won that year for sure reinjured an old injury while killing Kunzetsova in the semis, and Kuznetsova came back over a hobbling Davenport who could barely move to win (Lindsay still nearly won anyway).

=
see my post above :rolls:

cellophane
Jan 24th, 2011, 10:58 PM
well she beat Nadia. Who beat Enna Hardenne. So why did Enna not use this opportunity to catch a miracle? :scratch:

Enna was affected by a virus if I recall correctly. It was certainly her loss that she didn't get through to play an injured Davenport... she did catch a miracle when she played Shitlana (:tape:) in 2007

Beating Nadia isn't exactly impressive.

tenn_ace
Jan 24th, 2011, 11:16 PM
Enna was affected by a virus if I recall correctly. It was certainly her loss that she didn't get through to play an injured Davenport... she did catch a miracle when she played Shitlana (:tape:) in 2007

Beating Nadia isn't exactly impressive.


there is always something wrong with Enna. Injuries is a part of sport and if a player cannot keep it up without injuries, then you cannot use it to diminish another's player win? Only in tennis and only on this board crap like this exists.

justineheninfan
Jan 24th, 2011, 11:22 PM
Well then there must be something wrong with Kuznetsova 5 times more often since her winnings and career pale in comparision to Henin's and always will. This thread isnt even about Henin, the fact you feel compelled to bring her up so much shows you are envious of her. If you are a Kuznetsova fan you are looking too far ahead though, try and be envious of the careers of say Mauresmo and Sharapova right in front of her instead.

Anyhow Sharapova is actually one of my least favorite players, and I probably dislike her even more than Kuznetsova, but I would still bet on her to win another slam before Kuznetsova anyday. Unlike Kuznetsova she has the talent and weaponary to kill or atleast beat the best players on her own terms on her best days and has proven it (not once every 5 years when they play like rubbish like Kuznetsova). Unlike Kuznetsova her slam wins were immensely impressive and in no way lucky. And unlike Kuznetsova she she was a legit top 3 or 4 player for about 4 years. And both are already past their primes so no difference there, and Kuznetsova is older.

It is telling this is celebrated as a great tournament for Kuznetsova, and rightfully so, with a big win over Henin and a big performance in losing to FO Champ Schiavone. And yet all it got her was a round of 16, 4 increasingly difficult wins away from a title. The road to another slam title for her is too steep to climb at this point, and she has already used up all her lucky charms years ago in her career.

cellophane
Jan 24th, 2011, 11:23 PM
there is always something wrong with Enna. Injuries is a part of sport and if a player cannot keep it up without injuries, then you cannot use it to diminish another's player win? Only in tennis and only on this board crap like this exists.

I'm not diminishing anything...but you cannot ignore the manner in which Kuznetsova won that slam. If you win your semifinal after you are being comprehensively outplayed before your opponent is injured... it's hardly impressive.

tinabelz
Jan 25th, 2011, 12:21 AM
Id say Sveta,has all the game,talent can beat any0ne but she can be a headcase s0metimes,just lacks the mentality s0metimes, saw s0me greatness in her RG win wen she is on gamewise and mentaly can go all the way. Maria on the otherhand is still b0thered wit shoulder,double faults but her fighting spirit is there but i think Sveta has m0re chances.

justineheninfan
Jan 25th, 2011, 12:28 AM
Why do people keep saying Kuznetsova can easily beat anyone. What are her big wins in her whole career in slams now:

2004 U.S Open semis over Davenport (* badly injured)

2008 French Open quarters vs Serena (this is a stretch for a big win considering Serena hasnt won a quarterfinal here since 2003 anyway)

2004 US Open finals and 2008 FO finals vs Dementieva and Safina (do these actually qualify as big wins?!)

2011 Australian Open 3rd round Henin


For a long career and a 2 slam winner that is not alot at all, and considering the timing, venue, etc....arguably none of these are even great.

goldenlox
Jan 25th, 2011, 12:32 AM
Why do people keep saying Kuznetsova can easily beat anyone. What are her big wins in her whole career in slams now:

.I dont know WTF is an easy major to you. Sveta beat Serena who was serving *4-2, 40-0 in the 3rd, then beat Stosur in the SF. Who comes from that far back in a major against Serena? Then won the final.
Davenport was so injured that she led late in the 3rd set until Sveta started hitting the lines in a heavy wind.

justineheninfan
Jan 25th, 2011, 01:39 AM
Serena has not made the French Open semis since 2003 now. I dont get what makes her some huge win at the French Open at this point. And Stosur was a singles nobody still in 2009, she only first started to become noticeable in 2010. And Safina in the final speaks for itself.

You are right too, Davenport badly injured and hobbling around the court still nearly won that semifinal with Kuznetsova. So had she been healthy she obviously would have spanked her badly just like she had in the 1st set before her injury. That is something EVERYONE at the event at the time said, even her close friend and mentor Navratilova admited so. Anyone who actually watched the match, followed tennis around the time, and still thinks otherwise is a bit delusional I am sorry to say.

Why in the poll for best 2 slam winner did Kuznetsova receive almost no votes? Obviously I am not the only one not that impressed with her slam wins compared to others. Compare them to how Mauresmo and Pierce won their 2 slams for instance if you wish.


These are examples of the kind of wins a 2 slam winner should have in their career:


Mauresmo:

1999 Australian Open semis- beat #1 ranked Davenport
2002 Wimbledon quarters- beat #3 ranked and reigning Australian Open Champion Capriati
2002 US Open quarters- beat #3 ranked Capriati
2006 Australian Open semis- beat #2 ranked Clijsters
2006 Australian Open final- beat Justine Henin
2006 Wimbledon semis- beat former winner and World #3 Maria Sharapova
2006 Wimbledon final- beat #2 ranked Justine Henin
2006 U.S Open round of 16- beat Serena Williams (granted in gruesome shape)

Probably some others I am missing too.


Pierce:

1994 French Open semis: beat Steffi Graf
1995 Australian Open semis: beat World #3 Conchita Martinez
1995 Australian Open final: beat World #2 Sanchez Vicario
2000 French Open quarters: beat Monica Seles
2000 French Open semis: beat #1 Martina Hingis
2000 French Open final: beat Conchita Martinez
2005 French Open quarters: beat #1 Lindsay Davenport
2005 U.S Open quarters: beat #4 Amelie Mauresmo

goldenlox
Jan 25th, 2011, 01:46 AM
So beating Stosur & Serena & Dinara is nothing, that's fine. Believe what you want.

justineheninfan
Jan 25th, 2011, 01:50 AM
So beating Stosur & Serena & Dinara is nothing, that's fine. Believe what you want.

If those are 3 of your 5 biggest wins ever in a slam, a way past her prime on CLAY Serena who hasnt been to the semis of the French in 6 years at the time (now going on 8 years), Stosur back when she was a singles nobody, and Safina in a slam final (LOL), yeah that is pretty much nothing for a 2 slam winner. Shockingly weak highlight wins.

goldenlox
Jan 25th, 2011, 01:53 AM
Stosur was in the semis when Sveta beat her. Then she came back and made the finals. Serena led *4-2 40-0. She almost loses at a major in those situations.
If that's not good, then most of the slam wins the last decade arent

Smitten
Jan 25th, 2011, 01:54 AM
Kuznetsova will have another random, unexpected peak in a slam and win another one eventually.

In The Zone
Jan 25th, 2011, 01:59 AM
Sveta. She is and will be a top favorite at Roland Garros until her career ends.

MH0861
Jan 25th, 2011, 02:06 AM
Davenport was so injured that she led late in the 3rd set until Sveta started hitting the lines in a heavy wind.

That's because Sveta couldn't keep the ball in play for the first several games of the set.

Sveta is my clear choice here, and as for her slam wins - 2004 was most certainly a fluke, but I respect her 2009 RG title and would expect her to win it again before she retires.

indicapuja
Jan 25th, 2011, 02:29 AM
sveta, of course

DeliriousPotato
Jan 25th, 2011, 02:41 AM
Maria is still so young! So much can happen!
Even Vaidisova can come back and win a slam, she's only 21!!! :lol:

justineheninfan
Jan 25th, 2011, 02:54 AM
Stosur was in the semis when Sveta beat her. Then she came back and made the finals. Serena led *4-2 40-0. She almost loses at a major in those situations.

Kuznetsova never should have been down in the 3rd set 4-2, 40-0 to begin with. She had already choked serving for the 2nd set for the 2nd time against Serena in a slam quarterfinal that year to boot. What is so great about making a comeback she never should have had to make in the first place.

You continue to ignore that this was at the French Open on clay, as if that means nothing when talking about Serena these days. Serena is not that good a clay courter anymore, she hasnt even made the semis of the French Open since 2003. So stop trying to make it sound like Serena is Henin at the French Open, LOL! Other slams she is the one to beat but not at Roland Garros, especialy at this stage of her career which is almost a decade removed from her best clay court tennis.


If that's not good, then most of the slam wins the last decade arent

Sorry but I simply couldnt resist this one. The vast majority of slam wins this past decade were better than Kuznetsova's 2009 French just going by quality of opponent in last 3 rounds :

2000 Australian Davenport- better 2-1 (Serena > Halard, Capriati > Stosur, Hingis > Safina)

2000 French Pierce- better 3-0 (Seles > Serena, Hingis > Stosur, Martinez > Safina)

2000 Wimbledon Venus- better 3-0 (Hingis 2000 on grass > Serena 2009 on clay, Serena > Stosur, Davenport > Safina)

2000 U.S Open Venus- better 2-1 (Serena > Tauziat, Hingis > Stosur, Davenport > Safina)

2001 Australian Capriati- better 3-0 (Seles 2001 on hard courts > Serena 2009 on clay, Davenport > Stosur, Hingis > Safina)

2001 French Capriati- better 3-0 (Serena 01 on clay > Serena 09 on clay,
Hingis > Stosur, Clijsters > Safina)

2001 Wimbledon Venus- better 2-1 (Serena > Tauziat, Davenport > Stosur, Henin > Safina)

2001 U.S Open Venus- better 2.5-.5 (Clijsters 01 on hard courts = Serena 09 on clay, Capriati > Stosur, Serena > Safina)

2002 Australian Capriati- better 2.5-.5 (Mauresmo 02 on hard courts = Serena 09 on clay, Clijsters > Stosur, Hingis > Safina)

2002 French Serena- better 2-1 (Serena 09 on clay > Pierce 02 on clay, Capriati > Stosur, Venus > Safina)

2002 Wimbledon Serena- better 2-1 (Serena > Hantuchova, Mauresmo > Stosur, Venus > Safina)

2002 U.S Open Serena- better 2-1 (Serena > Hantuchova, Davenport > Stosur, Venus > Safina)

2003 Australian Open Serena- better 2-1 (Serena > Shaughnesy, Clijsters > Stosur, Venus > Safina)

2003 French Open Henin- better 2-1 (Serena > Rubin, Serena > Stosur, Clijsters > Safina)

2003 Wimbledon Serena- better 3-0 (Capriati 03 on grass > Serena 09 on clay, Henin > Stosur, Venus > Safina)

2003 U.S Open Henin- better 2-1 (Serena > Myskina, Capriati > Stosur, Clijsters > Safina)

2004 Australian Open Henin- better 2-1 (Davenport 04 hard courts > Serena 09 clay, Stosur > Zuluaga, Clijsters > Safina)

2004 French Myskina- better 2.5-0.5 (Venus 04 clay > Serena 09 clay, Capriati > Stosur, Dementeiva = Safina)

2004 Wimbledon Sharapova- better 2-1 (Serena > Sugiyama, Davenport > Stosur, Serena > Safina)

2005 Australian Open Serena- better 3-0 (Mauresmo 05 hard courts > Serena 09 clay, Sharapova > Stosur, Davenport > Safina)

2005 Wimbledon Venus- better 2-1 (Serena > Pierce, Sharapova > Stosur, Davenport > Safina)

2005 U.S Open Clijsters- better 2.5-.5 (Venus 05 hard courts > Serena 09 clay, Sharapova > Stosur, Pierce at 30 = peak Safina)

2006 Australian Open Mauresmo- better 2-1 (Serena > Schnyder, Clijsters > Stosur, Henin > Safina)

2006 French Henin- better 3-0 (Serena > Lena Gronefeld, Clijsters > Stosur, Kuznetsova > Safina)

2006 Wimbledon Mauresmo- better 2-1 (Serena > Myskina, Sharapova > Stosur, Henin > Safina)

2006 U.S Open Sharapova- better 2-1 (Serena > Golovin, Mauresmo > Stosur, Henin > Safina)

2007 French Henin- better 2.5-.5 (Serena 07 on clay = Serena 09 on clay,
Jankovic 07 > Stosur 09, Ivanovic > Safina)

2007 U.S Open Henin- better 3-0 (Serena hard courts > Serena clay, Venus > Stosur, Kuznetsova > Safina

2008 Australian Open Sharapova- better 3-0 (Henin hard courts > Serena clay, Jankovic 08 > Stosur 09, Ivanovic > Safina)

2008 Wimbledon Venus- better 2-1 (Serena > Tanasugarn, 08 Dementieva > 09 Stosur, Serena > Safina)

2008 U.S Open Serena- better 3-0 (Venus hard courts > Serena clay, Safina 08 > Stosur 09, Jankovic > Safina)

2009 Australian Open Serena- better 2-1 (Kuznetsova hard courts > Serena clay, Dementieva 09 > Stosur 09, Safina clay > Safina hard courts)

2009 Wimbledon Serena- better 2-1 (Serena > Azarenka, Dementieva 09 > Stosur 09, Venus > Safina)


So the only slams since 2000 that werent more impressive than Kuznetsova's 2009 U.S Open title in terms of opposition were Kuznetsova's own 2004 U.S Open title, Henin's 2005 French Open title, Serena's 2007 Australian Open title, Venus's 2007 Wimbledon title, Ivanovic's 2008 French Open title, and all the slams since after 2009 Wimbledon. By my count that is 33/43.

Moveyourfeet
Jan 25th, 2011, 02:59 AM
Obviously Sveta.
Maria has been done as a slam winning player for some time now.

OsloErik
Jan 25th, 2011, 03:32 AM
Kuznetsova is a pre-clay season top 5 French contender, and probably top 10 for the other three (WIM/USO 2011, AUS 2012). I don't think Sharapova ranks in the top 5 threats at any slam, at the moment. But this is all speculative. Sharapova could magically shake the rust off by the US Open series. Neither is consistent anymore, and that used to be part of their appeal: the two best Russians, both of which would reliably make the quarters or better everywhere.

Sp!ffy
Jan 25th, 2011, 03:44 AM
Sveta. She is and will be a top favorite at Roland Garros until her career ends.
Sveta's a favorite, but I wouldn't say she's a top favorite.
Francesca, Justine, Sam are above her.

HRHoliviasmith
Jan 25th, 2011, 04:39 AM
I have to say sharapova. but hopefully I would have moved to Mars where I won't have to know about it.

UncleZeke
Jan 25th, 2011, 04:48 AM
Had to vote for Sveta. While what's going on in her head is always a concern, what's going on in Maria's shoulder may not be fixable.

homogenius
Jan 25th, 2011, 05:19 AM
sveta

tinabelz
Jan 25th, 2011, 06:20 AM
Its never easy to beat SERENA even on clay. She doesnt just give a way a match. Sveta has chances to win wit her game,0nly thing stopping her is her head. .

Bonfire
Jan 25th, 2011, 06:34 AM
It is so unfortunate that Maria had to have rotator cuff surgery. That is one of the hardest surgeries/injuries to completely heal from. I would like to think Maria could make a comeback but the odds do not seem in her favor. I mean she is doing "okay" now but you never know when the injury will reappear down the road. I guess Kuznetsova would be the more logical pick.

bandabou
Jan 25th, 2011, 06:39 AM
Justineheninfan is making this about career. Of course Maria had the better career but right now Sveta is more likely to have a deep run at majors than Maria. It's the sad but cruel truth. Maria has no serve, can't move and her groundstrokes are shaky.

AnDrEi.b
Jan 25th, 2011, 06:40 AM
Sveta

tenn_ace
Jan 26th, 2011, 06:22 AM
Justineheninfan is making this about career. Of course Maria had the better career but right now Sveta is more likely to have a deep run at majors than Maria. It's the sad but cruel truth. Maria has no serve, can't move and her groundstrokes are shaky.
no he is saying that basically Sveta got lucky winning both majors, i.e she did not deserve any of them even when she beat Serena to win FO. All I can say is that at least in winning any of GS titles she did not use her right HAND(or was it a left HAND) to help herself other than to hit the shots. :p

indicapuja
Jan 26th, 2011, 07:15 AM
no he is saying that basically Sveta got lucky winning both majors, i.e she did not deserve any of them even when she beat Serena to win FO. All I can say is that at least in winning any of GS titles she did not use her right HAND(or was it a left HAND) to help herself other than to hit the shots. :p

:lol:

mariavikafan
Jan 26th, 2011, 07:36 AM
Sveta, Maria needs to work on her serve, groudstrokes, movement was decent in OZ but still in one day it became atrocious.
I have to go with Sveta but Maria has time on her side and fighting spirit.

Claycourter
Jan 26th, 2011, 07:38 AM
At this point Steffi Graf has better chance to come out of retirement and win a slam than those 2 has beens.

Maria Croft
Jan 26th, 2011, 07:44 AM
Have people forgotten that Kuznetsova has only beaten slamless headcase russians in her slam finals?

All of Maria's opponents in slam finals have a slam to their name, and two of them are all time greats, Justine and Serena.

I would agree that at this point it's not certain Maria will ever get back to that level again, but Kuznetsova has never been injured and still hasn't been able to win a few more slams.

So for me it's more likely that Maria will get back to that level again than Kuznetsova somehow winning more slams when she wasn't able to do that in the past either.

bandabou
Jan 26th, 2011, 07:56 AM
Have people forgotten that Kuznetsova has only beaten slamless headcase russians in her slam finals?

All of Maria's opponents in slam finals have a slam to their name, and two of them are all time greats, Justine and Serena.

I would agree that at this point it's not certain Maria will ever get back to that level again, but Kuznetsova has never been injured and still hasn't been able to win a few more slams.

So for me it's more likely that Maria will get back to that level again than Kuznetsova somehow winning more slams when she wasn't able to do that in the past either.

Not about career....Masha beat greater players, for sure. But right now she can't even beat Greta Arn for christ sake..:help:

mariavikafan
Jan 26th, 2011, 08:01 AM
Not about career....Masha beat greater players, for sure. But right now she can't even beat Greta Arn for christ sake..:help:

I wouldn't take her losses off majors that seriously if I were you.

jimmy_the_greek
Jan 26th, 2011, 09:04 AM
Maria in my opinion, i think she will improve more as the months go on.

Mistress of Evil
Jan 26th, 2011, 10:06 AM
Time will tell.

DownInAHole
Jan 26th, 2011, 10:23 AM
On their current form? Definitely Svetlana. Still, I believe that Maria can get herself together and get back on top. Whether she will or not is a different question but if she can get her serve back her mental game will drastically improve and she should be able to at least compete for slams again.

Fighterpova
Jul 20th, 2012, 03:22 AM
*Bump* :oh:

DefyingGravity
Jul 20th, 2012, 03:45 AM
Bahahahahahaha. Well, I'm glad Maria got her career GS.

HRHoliviasmith
Jul 20th, 2012, 04:11 AM
what took them so long to bump this thread? :rolleyes:

Nicolás89
Jul 20th, 2012, 04:17 AM
Sveta.

Steven.
Jul 20th, 2012, 04:27 AM
At this point Steffi Graf has better chance to come out of retirement and win a slam than those 2 has beens.

oh my god I miss claycourter :hysteric: that time he stanned for Mash cause he hated everyone else at the top :lol:

Charlatan
Jul 20th, 2012, 05:10 AM
:haha:

Thank you Fighterpova :hearts:

beanbean
Jul 20th, 2012, 05:18 AM
This thread looks funny now. As her big fan, I am glad I never stop supporting in her. Thank you, Maria.

HRHoliviasmith
Jul 20th, 2012, 05:30 AM
:haha: @ sickfalsetto. there were no vacancies in Mars. :sobbing:

Charlatan
Jul 20th, 2012, 05:33 AM
:haha: @ sickfalsetto. there were no vacancies in Mars. :sobbing:

You can still get ahead and find some space in other planets when she wins another slam :oh: 'just in case'

HRHoliviasmith
Jul 20th, 2012, 05:36 AM
You can still get ahead and find some space in other planets when she wins another slam :oh: 'just in case'

keep twisting that knife. ur being so evil to me for no reason. :crying2:

Charlatan
Jul 20th, 2012, 05:40 AM
keep twisting that knife. ur being so evil to me for no reason. :crying2:

:hug:

you know that's one of the traits of mashabators

Cosmic Voices
Jul 20th, 2012, 08:57 AM
I wasn't even born on TF when this thread was created :sobbing:

lol at Sveta winning the poll, and lol at oliviasmith claiming the victim

http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/jezebel/2010/10/suspiciousblanche.gif

madmax
Jul 20th, 2012, 09:01 AM
both are megatalented headcases and both underachieved big time up to this point...Maria moreso, but constant injuries and bad luck held her back much more than it did to Sexlana. But it only takes a spark of good form for either of them to obliterate the competition, so the sky is always a limit imo

Jajaloo
Jul 20th, 2012, 10:10 AM
Sveta wins one every 5 years.

Sharapova wins them in even numbered years.

WWW RG 2014 :oh:

Pops Maellard
Jul 20th, 2012, 10:12 AM
I voted Sveta :sobbing:.

volta
Jul 20th, 2012, 10:17 AM
Fuck you sveta , you should be the one winning slams :sobbing:

DemWilliamsGulls
Jul 20th, 2012, 10:20 AM
I don't see Kuetz winning another one over Maria. She's just a little too slow for the girls now days I think. I like her though but just don't see it. Maria moves better, hit just as hard and has a better serve.

Fighterpova
Jul 20th, 2012, 11:47 AM
:haha:

Thank you Fighterpova :hearts:

When I saw your name on Page 5, I was expecting to see you quoting me with the words troll, bitch or idiot in it :tape:

Stonerpova
Jul 20th, 2012, 05:19 PM
Voted Maria. Blind, semi-delusional faith paid off :cheer:

Queenpova
Jul 20th, 2012, 05:21 PM
Maria haters are such a joke :lol:

RenaPova
Jul 20th, 2012, 05:21 PM
The poll results. :sobbing:

flareon
Jul 20th, 2012, 05:22 PM
http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4s36xcR8o1rwcc6bo1_500.gif

Really :lol:
Maria of course.

Queenpova
Jul 20th, 2012, 05:24 PM
right now Sveta is more likely to have a deep run at majors than Maria.

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh63/dre365_2008/BasicInstinct-1.gif

*DEAD*

JJ all the way
Jul 20th, 2012, 05:33 PM
maria maria! ur my lover!

RenaPova
Jul 20th, 2012, 05:49 PM
http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh63/dre365_2008/BasicInstinct-1.gif

*DEAD*

That gif. :sobbing::sobbing::sobbing:

NadalSharapova
Jul 20th, 2012, 06:52 PM
shows there are complete morons who have nothing but hate for maria. no objectivity, just hatred.

AcesHigh
Jul 20th, 2012, 07:08 PM
Sveta will win one again.. I'm almost sure of it. She's shown she's capable of great tennis still.. only problem is her head. Plus she's a much better athlete.

Sharapova has physical issues it seem she won't get over. Plus it doesn't help that she's not a great athlete.

f' you Sveta for making me look like a fool so many times for believing in you. :lol:

Even my predictions for Aga seem to be coming true yet Kuzy has been such a flop

HRHoliviasmith
Jul 20th, 2012, 09:34 PM
Fuck you sveta , you should be the one winning slams :sobbing:

isn't this the truth. much more talented player. :(:o

VeeJJ
Jul 20th, 2012, 09:36 PM
The lesser player will win more :oh:

Queenpova
Jul 20th, 2012, 09:49 PM
much more talented player than Vika. :(:o

BOMBSHELL.

Matt01
Jul 20th, 2012, 10:38 PM
Some time ago I would have said Maria.

Now I'm saying Sveta :oh:

humanabstract
Jul 20th, 2012, 10:49 PM
I'm hardly believing Sveta's gonna win Slam again, while Maria's contender for every GS, so I vote for Maria.

justineheninfan
Jul 21st, 2012, 02:59 AM
ROTFL at Kuznetsova leading this poll at any point in time. This truly is a CRAZY forum.

justineheninfan
Jul 21st, 2012, 03:02 AM
Anyway at this point I would say:

Maria's odds to win 1 more slam before retiring- 70%
Maria's odds to win 2 more slams before retiring- 30%
Kuznetsova's odds to win 1 more slam before retiring- 4%

Kuznetsova is not even a contender anymore. She is in that "stick a fork in her" stage of her career. I sensed she was reaching that point 2 years ago, but the last half year has really confirmed it.

Stonerpova
Jul 21st, 2012, 06:55 AM
ROTFL at Kuznetsova leading this poll at any point in time. This truly is a CRAZY forum.

To be fair, this thread was started during Maria's rock bottom stage, right after her epic fail losses to Arn in Auckland and Petkovic in Australia. She also lost KDK and Vesnina in fall tournaments at the tail end of the previous season :o

NadalSharapova
Jul 21st, 2012, 09:57 AM
To be fair, this thread was started during Maria's rock bottom stage, right after her epic fail losses to Arn in Auckland and Petkovic in Australia. She also lost KDK and Vesnina in fall tournaments at the tail end of the previous season :o

form is temporary, class is permanent. That's what this board struggles to understand. One loss or one win the board goes over the top. Obviously in this threat most were just stupid haters.

RenaPova
Jul 21st, 2012, 12:19 PM
form is temporary, class is permanent. That's what this board struggles to understand. One loss or one win the board goes over the top. Obviously in this threat most were just stupid haters.

Weren't you the one that was accusing Serena of being a man after she won Wimbledon? :lol: :help:

NadalSharapova
Jul 21st, 2012, 12:56 PM
Weren't you the one that was accusing Serena of being a man after she won Wimbledon? :lol: :help:

i never doubted serena's achievements, i would never say sveta would be more likely to win a slam then her. Can't be said about some idiots on here.

justineheninfan
Jul 23rd, 2012, 01:36 PM
To be fair, this thread was started during Maria's rock bottom stage, right after her epic fail losses to Arn in Auckland and Petkovic in Australia. She also lost KDK and Vesnina in fall tournaments at the tail end of the previous season :o

Yes but Kuznetsova hasnt looked "likely" to win another major in years, let alone 2 more.

pov
Jul 23rd, 2012, 06:33 PM
:haha: at the fact that so many are answering this as if it were a current poll.

dsanders06
Jul 23rd, 2012, 10:52 PM
Peak TF, this thread :haha: Everyone getting caught up in the latest bandwagon just because Kuznetsova had happened to outperform Maria at the most recent tournament when this thread was created. Even if it's looked somewhat unlikely at some points over the last couple of years that Sharapova would win another Slam, it was always more likely that she'd win than Kuznetsova.

Sharapowerr
Jul 24th, 2012, 04:33 AM
Some time ago I would have said Maria.

Now I'm saying Sveta :oh:

The biggest Maria hater!, thnx 4 voting:(

Matt01
Jul 24th, 2012, 11:44 AM
The biggest Maria hater!


Thank you :)


thnx 4 voting:(


I didn't :wavey: