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Lin Lin
Jan 24th, 2011, 12:07 PM
I think hard to say.

Pasta-Na
Jan 24th, 2011, 12:11 PM
kim in 2; one close set. :p

Mynarco
Jan 24th, 2011, 12:11 PM
Kim in 2

John.
Jan 24th, 2011, 12:12 PM
Kim in 2

Shinjiro
Jan 24th, 2011, 12:14 PM
Kim will likely have an easier time than she did tonight.

tennis-insomniac
Jan 24th, 2011, 12:14 PM
I think hard to say.

Actually, for me it will be very easy after seeing Kim in the second set I believe she can outhit Radwanska

TheBoiledEgg
Jan 24th, 2011, 12:16 PM
6-0 6-0 Kim :devil:

Shvedbarilescu
Jan 24th, 2011, 12:17 PM
I think it's easy to say. Kim.

olivero
Jan 24th, 2011, 12:17 PM
Kim in two.
But I hope both can make an interesting match out it. Would love to see Aga winning a set (or at least more than six games :unsure: )

SELVEN
Jan 24th, 2011, 12:22 PM
it's based on which Kim plays,the one played Cornet or played Maka.

goldenlox
Jan 24th, 2011, 12:23 PM
Kim had a great draw. Its really a 2 match tournament for her.
SF, F Very good chance to win 2 majors in a row

it-girl
Jan 24th, 2011, 12:24 PM
Kim in 2 but I would love to see Radwanska pull off the upset.

Irute
Jan 24th, 2011, 12:25 PM
There is no question Kin has upper hand here. I voted for Agnieszka however to express the chance she has. I hope she will go out there and play her heart out. If that happens the chance is real.

BlueTrees
Jan 24th, 2011, 12:25 PM
Kim in 3..

Mixal
Jan 24th, 2011, 12:28 PM
Five games for Agnieszka.

Aryman3
Jan 24th, 2011, 12:31 PM
TBE as tennis buff should now that Aga very rarely loses 0:6 even one set
so his "tipping" is just expression of hate or enmity. Pathetic

debby
Jan 24th, 2011, 12:32 PM
I am going to make a bold prediction :lol: : Aga in 3.

Libertango
Jan 24th, 2011, 12:33 PM
Unfortunately I don't give Aga a chance...

doooma6816
Jan 24th, 2011, 01:14 PM
Aga can't hurt Kim with any shot so...Kim in 2.
But would be amazing if Aga could make her first GS SF. :)

sammy01
Jan 24th, 2011, 01:38 PM
kim in 2, aga just doesn't have the weapons to hurt kim.

aga's best shot is if kim's forehand goes missing for a very long period of time

The Dawntreader
Jan 24th, 2011, 01:45 PM
Something like 6-2 6-2.

Radwanska always looks substantially underpowered against any elite ball-striker at Slams (or anywhere else really), and it will be exactly the same vs Saint Sin. I can only imagine how Sin will dissect Radwanska's awful approach shots.

eck
Jan 24th, 2011, 01:50 PM
http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/4802/2673332ftehm4zy.gif = http://cdn1.sbnation.com/fan_shot_images/172816/radwanska-racquet-o.gif

Kim's voodoo dancing will get her by.

Chakvenus
Jan 24th, 2011, 02:13 PM
Something like 6-2 6-2.

Radwanska always looks substantially underpowered against any elite ball-striker at Slams (or anywhere else really), and it will be exactly the same vs Saint Sin. I can only imagine how Sin will dissect Radwanska's awful approach shots.

This is exactly what I was wondering :unsure:
I remember Venus did just that at Wimbledon 09, and I'm fearing the same here...
I just hope Kim plays bad and Aga can take advantage :lol:

Irute
Jan 24th, 2011, 02:17 PM
This is exactly what I was wondering :unsure:
I remember Venus did just that at Wimbledon 09, and I'm fearing the same here...
I just hope Kim plays bad and Aga can take advantage :lol:

I just hope Kim plays excellent and Aga plays her heart out ;)

AcesHigh
Jan 24th, 2011, 02:18 PM
Hope for a good match.
Anyway I voted hard to say. Kim needs to be in top form

poulao
Jan 24th, 2011, 02:19 PM
I wote for Aga, but Kim is probably going to win ;)

fouc
Jan 24th, 2011, 02:37 PM
I've been waiting for this match for so long, I will be pleased with every result :)

Soliloque
Jan 24th, 2011, 04:41 PM
If Kim plays well, Aga has nothing to hurt her. So Kim in two easy sets.

If Kim plays bad, Aga will benefit from Kim's errors. So Kim in two sets (something like 7/5 6/3).

I really think that Aga don't stand a chance. She always fails to deliver against the big names. Besides, she already had two hard matches, she's probably feeling that a quarter is a nice reward (after all, two months ago, nobody though she was going to play).

*Jool*
Jan 24th, 2011, 04:45 PM
"PK" ? :scratch:

mariavikafan
Jan 24th, 2011, 04:53 PM
Hope for a good match.
Anyway I voted hard to say. Kim needs to be in top form

:lol: you don't need to be in top form to win points off of Radwanska's serve (86mph for her first serve) and (68 mph for the second ones) that's just RIDICULOUS.
Kim in 2. 6262 or 6464 if she is bored.

Marionated
Jan 24th, 2011, 04:58 PM
If Kim plays well, something like 6-2 6-1.

If she plays poorly it could go to three sets, but she'd still win.

alfonsojose
Jan 24th, 2011, 05:23 PM
http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/4802/2673332ftehm4zy.gif = http://cdn1.sbnation.com/fan_shot_images/172816/radwanska-racquet-o.gif

Kim's voodoo dancing will get her by.

Is that Kim :eek: :lol: :help: ? So trashy

A'DAM
Jan 24th, 2011, 05:38 PM
Kim all the way (and that comes from Aga's fan :( )

St.Sebastian
Jan 24th, 2011, 06:01 PM
Mind says Kim 6-2 6-3.
But this is WTA, so Aga will probably win 1-6 6-4 12-10, after coming back from 1-6 1-4 down.

It would be too easy if the hot favourite for the title just marched through to the trophy. Saint is not a Serena so I smell an upset ;)

Soliloque
Jan 24th, 2011, 06:05 PM
It would be too easy if the hot favourite for the title just marched through to the trophy. Saint is not a Serena so I smell an upset ;)

Yeah, it's not like she did that just 5 months ago.

saul1333
Jan 24th, 2011, 06:09 PM
Either way Aga is the best :angel:

justineheninfan
Jan 24th, 2011, 06:12 PM
Radwanksa has NOTHING to hurt Kim with and she is lucky as heck to even be in this round, in fact it is a miracle. Kim easily, losing 7 games max, 3 games minimum.

BlackPanther.
Jan 24th, 2011, 09:43 PM
Aga ftw :cheer2: (Kim something like 63 62 :sobbing:)

AcesHigh
Jan 24th, 2011, 09:49 PM
Radwanksa has NOTHING to hurt Kim with and she is lucky as heck to even be in this round, in fact it is a miracle. Kim easily, losing 7 games max, 3 games minimum.

It's all luck.. i'm sure she didn't even have to play tennis to get there, right? :rolleyes:

justineheninfan
Jan 24th, 2011, 09:52 PM
She is here since Date and Peng both choked. Good for her for hanging around and capatilizing on that. However she is roadkill for this one.

AcesHigh
Jan 24th, 2011, 09:54 PM
She is here since Date and Peng both choked. Good for her for hanging around and capatilizing on that. However she is roadkill for this one.

You want to start making excuses? Im sure I can find one for every single Henin slam win.

justineheninfan
Jan 24th, 2011, 10:00 PM
I am not going to get involved in a silly debate with you trying to make something out of nothing. All I am saying is Radwanska's tennis has been pedestrian to get here (even for her standards) and she is lucky to even be in this round. I see Clijsters destroying her even if Radwanksa was at her Wozniacki pushers lite best, let alone when she is not, so I see Kim winning easily. If you have a problem with that, I cant help it.

And how amusing for a CLIJSTERS fan to be talking about Henin's so called lucky slam wins. Talk about irony at its best.

And good luck trying to make excuses for all of Henin's slam wins even if you tried. She is by far the best clay courter in the World in her prime so obviously none of her French Open wins can be described as lucky, other than possibly 2003 for a jaded Serena fan. What are you going to say, she was lucky she didnt play your faves Clijsters or Venus more at Roland Garros, ROTFL! And Henin's 2007 U.S Open win was far more impressive than any of Kim's slam titles to date, if killing both Williams on their home turf is lucky then every slam win in history was lucky. And if you want to call Justine's 2003 and 2004 hard court slams lucky, then it is an admission of Kim had won them instead she would have been atleast as lucky.

cellophane
Jan 24th, 2011, 10:13 PM
And Henin's 2007 U.S Open win was far more impressive than any of Kim's slam titles to date, if killing both Williams on their home turf is lucky then every slam win in history was lucky.

I'm not going to call it lucky, because she was obviously playing great tennis... but if some Henin fans want to whine about Kim winning in a weak era and say 2007 US Open was far more impressive than Kim's... Serena was coming back from injury, so the Open was her first tournament and she was basically moving like a hippo. When Kim beat Serena in 2009, at least she was in much better shape, even though the last point they didn't get to play. Henin beat Venus in '07 which was a great win, but hey Kim has been beating Venus since 2005 as well and did so in her 09 slam run... I really don't care that Venus was playing better in that match than in her matches with Kim (Kim brings out the worst in Venus' form) . Henin's other wins however were over Kuznetsova, who played brainless shiteous tennis, and Safina (:tape:). So please...much more impressive it wasn't.

jimmy_the_greek
Jan 24th, 2011, 10:18 PM
Clijsters, i think Aga's lucky run will come to an end (put credit to her because she came back competitive after an injury).

justineheninfan
Jan 24th, 2011, 10:23 PM
I'm not going to call it lucky, because she was obviously playing great tennis... but if some Henin fans want to whine about Kim winning in a weak era and say 2007 US Open was far more impressive than Kim's... Serena was coming back from injury, so the Open was her first tournament and she was basically moving like a hippo. When Kim beat Serena in 2009, at least she was in much better shape, even though the last point they didn't get to play. Henin beat Venus in '07 which was a great win, but hey Kim has been beating Venus since 2005 as well and did so in her 09 slam run... I really don't care that Venus was playing better in that match than in her matches with Kim (Kim brings out the worst in Venus' form) . Henin's other wins however were over Kuznetsova, who played brainless shiteous tennis, and Safina (:tape:). So please...much more impressive it wasn't.

Still more impressive than beating an injured and way past her prime Venus twice, a mentally unstabilized Serena, Wozniacki, and Zvonareva. :lol:

Sorry but even an out of shape Serena (she has been out of shape since 2004 now and still won tons of slams so who cares), an in form Venus, and Kuznetsova is tougher than the draws to Kim's U.S Open wins. Only 2005 is maybe on level. And Justine was far more dominant and playing at a higher level at the 2007 U.S Open than Kim ever has really. In fact Justine at the 2003 U.S Open even played at a higher level than Kim has ever played at too.

cn ireland
Jan 24th, 2011, 10:26 PM
Kim in 2!

cellophane
Jan 24th, 2011, 10:34 PM
Still more impressive than being an injured and way past her prime Venus twice, a mentally unstabilized Serena, Wozniacki, and Zvonareva. :lol:

Like I said Kim has been beating Venus since '05 so not like she can't do it... I will admit that Venus has put in some pretty bad performances against Kim, but it's a matchup thing. Was Venus past her prime then too? I guess Venus became past her prime when Kim started beating her? Convenient.


Sorry but even an out of shape Serena (she has been out of shape since 2004 now so who cares), an in form Venus, and Kuznetsova is far tougher than the draws to any of Kim's U.S Open wins in fact.Serena may have been out of shape since 2004, but she has been in much better shape than she was in 2007 US Open in her first tourney back.

And beating mental midget Kuznetsova who plays like crap in slam final is not impressive. As far as I remember, you yourself don't think much of her as slam winning material. At least Wozniacki didn't make a million brainless shots...

Only 2005 is maybe on level. And Justine was far more dominant and playing at a higher level at the 2007 U.S Oepn than Kim ever has really.A Henin fan opinion... nothing more. She was definitely playing great tennis, but as I said, you can pretty much say she basically beat up on injured/shitty players except Venus. Again, that slam was well deserved, but if you want to start talking about luck... no need to act like Justine beat top players at their peak.

AcesHigh
Jan 24th, 2011, 10:36 PM
Still more impressive than beating an injured and way past her prime Venus twice, a mentally unstabilized Serena, Wozniacki, and Zvonareva. :lol:

Sorry but even an out of shape Serena (she has been out of shape since 2004 now and still won tons of slams so who cares), an in form Venus, and Kuznetsova is tougher than the draws to Kim's U.S Open wins. Only 2005 is maybe on level. And Justine was far more dominant and playing at a higher level at the 2007 U.S Open than Kim ever has really. In fact Justine at the 2003 U.S Open even played at a higher level than Kim has ever played at too.

:rolls: mentally unstabilized? You mean defending champion?
2003 Justine playing at a higher level than Kim ever has? :tape: You mean the same Henin who still had little punch on her shots?

I'm not going to get into a silly argument about Henin. Henin has a greater career and that is not even arguable.
For now, I'll just celebrate the fact that my faves are still relevant(although Venus is barely hanging in there) while Henin is probably rethinking her decision to come back to tour and struggling to make it to the second week of slams.

justineheninfan
Jan 24th, 2011, 10:40 PM
Like I said Kim has been beating Venus since '05 so not like she can't do it... Or was she past her prime then too? I guess Venus became past her prime when Kim started beating her?

2003 and 2005 was Kim's best tennis ever and it produced 1 slam against a stellar field and the very occasional win over Serena, Venus, and Justine. Now she comes back playing worse in a worst field and wins more. Hey good for her on being an opportunist.

Serena may have been out of shape since 2004, but she has been in much better shape than she was in 2007 US Open in her first tourney back.

So Henin still destroyed and overpowered her in a way Clijsters never has in that match, and atleast she won the final point rather than having an official end the match. Henin has a 4-3 record in slams against Serena by the way, imagine Kim ever having that. :lol:

And beating mental midget Kuznetsova who plays like crap in slam final is not impressive. As far as I remember, you yourself don't think much of her as slam winning material.

Kuznetsova has almost as many slams as Kim just so you know. :rolleyes:
And how she played in the 2007 U.S Open final is how she plays when she wins slams too, she generally only wins when she comes up against something even more craptacular than she is which by some miracle happened twice.

A Henin fan opinion... nothing more.

Actually most people would agree with me. And the stats back up, show me a single year Kim ever produced dominance or an overall record on par with Henin of 2007, 2003, or even 2006, LOL!

She was definitely playing great tennis, but as I said, you can pretty much say she basically beat up on injured/shitty players except Venus.

Like I said this coming from a Kim Clijsters fan? Just classic. :lol:


I am done here as this thread has gone way off topic. Continue your delusions. Back on topic, Clijsters will kill Radwanska unless she plays one of her worst matches ever.

PatrickRyan
Jan 24th, 2011, 10:43 PM
Kim in two easy sets
62 63

justineheninfan
Jan 24th, 2011, 10:44 PM
:rolls: mentally unstabilized? You mean defending champion?

Defending champion who played a horrible match for her standards and still was very much in contention to win (on serve late in the 2nd set) before becoming mentally unhinged after a questionable call.

2003 Justine playing at a higher level than Kim ever has? :tape: You mean the same Henin who still had little punch on her shots?

Little punch in her shots? :lol: Yes I am sure people who watched the all time great Henin-Capriati semifinal of the U.S Open feel that way. And she had enough punch in her shots to make Kim her lapdog.

Kim in 2003-early 2004 was better than Kim today (I am talking tennis wise) and still couldnt beat Henin in any big matches, so yes of course Henin of 2003 was already better than Kim ever was. Kim had her most consistent results and play ever in 2003, the only women on tour who could beat her other than huge fluke were Venus, Serena, and Henin. Now even Petrova, Zvonareva, and other non greats can beat her in a slams if they play well.


For now, I'll just celebrate the fact that my faves are still relevant(although Venus is barely hanging in there) while Henin is probably rethinking her decision to come back to tour and struggling to make it to the second week of slams.

Henin is the one who has atleast made a slam final in the last 13 months. A win over Henin is still celebrated as a big win (eg- Kuznetsova this week) whereas a win over Venus today outside of Wimbledon is just ho hum for players now. Venus today is even less relevant than Henin, although both are pretty close to zero relevance amongst the elite now.

DragonFlame
Jan 24th, 2011, 10:46 PM
Kim in 2. Though this is one of those moments where iŽd prefer to see her not win the title.

urklerlay
Jan 24th, 2011, 10:47 PM
Kim in 2

cellophane
Jan 24th, 2011, 10:51 PM
2003 and 2005 was Kim's best tennis ever and it produced 1 slam against a stellar field and the very occasional win over Serena, Venus, and Justine. Now she comes back playing worse in a worst field and wins more. Hey good for her on being an opportunist.

Apparently it makes some Henin fans extremely bitter... I don't know why. Henin was as much of an oppportunist herself. Too bad she can't seem to do it in a weak field like Clijsters now.


So Henin still destroyed and overpowered her in a way Clijsters never has in that match, and atleast she won the final point rather than having an official end the match. Henin has a 4-3 record in slams against Serena by the way, imagine Kim ever having that. :lol:If Serena showed up hobbled to the 2009 US Open semi, you bet the score would have been similar. Serena in terrible shape still took Henin to a TB.

Most of those wins in 4-3 H2H came in 2007 (the ones at Wimbledon and US Open where Serena was in bad shape). I would imagine Kim having a better H2H especially if she got to play Serena more since her comeback in the shape that she was during Justine's wins over her at Wimbledon and US Open in 2007. :)


Kuznetsova has almost as many slams as Kim just so you know. :rolleyes:Please don't act like you think Kuznetsova is some amazing player when in the other thread you think it's a miracle that she won 2 GS. :lol:

And how she played in the 2007 U.S Open final is how she plays when she wins slams too, she generally only wins when she comes up against something even more craptacular than she is which by some miracle happened twice.Sop tell me again why is beating her in a slam SOOOO impressive then :spit:


Actually most people would agree with me. And the stats back up, show me a single year Kim ever produced dominance or an overall record on par with Henin of 2007, 2003, or even 2006, LOL!2005. IW & Miami in particular.


I am done here as this thread has gone way off topic. Continue your delusions. Back on topic, Clijsters will kill Radwanska unless she plays one of her worst matches ever.Who is delusional? Please look in the mirror... Apparently you think only certain players gets lucky while ignoring your favourite player. :tape: But, yeah, it's off topic... just thought it' something that needed to be said

debby
Jan 24th, 2011, 10:52 PM
If Kim plays well, Aga has nothing to hurt her. So Kim in two easy sets.

If Kim plays bad, Aga will benefit from Kim's errors. So Kim in two sets (something like 7/5 6/3).

I really think that Aga don't stand a chance. She always fails to deliver against the big names. Besides, she already had two hard matches, she's probably feeling that a quarter is a nice reward (after all, two months ago, nobody though she was going to play).

http://nbcsportsmedia4.msnbc.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/070901/070901_sharapova_vmed_6p.widec.jpg

Sharapova disagrees.

cellophane
Jan 24th, 2011, 10:53 PM
Kim in 2003-early 2004 was better than Kim today (I am talking tennis wise) and still couldnt beat Henin in any big matches, so yes of course Henin of 2003 was already better than Kim ever was.

Kim was a mental midget in 2003. She certainky didn't demonstrate her best tennis in those slam finals with Henin. I love how you act this was her best... So delusional :spit:

Temperenka
Jan 24th, 2011, 10:54 PM
This will be the round that Kim steps it up. Kim 6-4, 6-3.

cellophane
Jan 24th, 2011, 10:55 PM
http://nbcsportsmedia4.msnbc.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/070901/070901_sharapova_vmed_6p.widec.jpg

Sharapova disagrees.

Sharapova hit how many doubles in that loss? 20? :lol:

MH0861
Jan 25th, 2011, 12:06 AM
Kim handily, Aga's only chance is if Kim throws in a perf like she did against Cornet.

V's a star
Jan 25th, 2011, 12:11 AM
Kims draw has been and is so easy :tape:. Its rather sickening.

Smitten
Jan 25th, 2011, 12:14 AM
Radwanska will be in a woodshed after this match.

Ralph214
Jan 25th, 2011, 12:18 AM
Probably a cakewalk for Kimmy ...

justineheninfan
Jan 25th, 2011, 12:18 AM
Henin was as much of an oppportunist herself. Too bad she can't seem to do it in a weak field like Clijsters now.

You are right, Henin didnt win her slams at the time of a weak field. Kim except for 1 has. Thanks for agreeing.

If Serena showed up hobbled to the 2009 US Open semi, you bet the score would have been similar. Serena in terrible shape still took Henin to a TB.

Excuses galore. Serena has real rivalries with Davenport, Venus, Henin, and even Capriati, as the very competitive H2Hs indicate. With Clijsters she does not as their lopsided H2H reflects.

Most of those wins in 4-3 H2H came in 2007 (the ones at Wimbledon and US Open where Serena was in bad shape). I would imagine Kim having a better H2H especially if she got to play Serena more since her comeback in the shape that she was during Justine's wins over her at Wimbledon and US Open in 2007. :)

If Kim was that capable of beating Serena in slams she would have done it more than once.

Please don't act like you think Kuznetsova is some amazing player when in the other thread you think it's a miracle that she won 2 GS. :lol:

I didnt say she was amazing now did I. Despite being completely unremarkable (which we both agree on) the so called goddess of tennis, Kim still has only 1 more slam than her. :lol:

Sop tell me again why is beating her in a slam SOOOO impressive then :spit:

I didnt say it was. However Kuznetsova in the final is still much better than Wozniacki or Zvonareva in the finals. You know since one already had a slam (as lucky as it was) and had been in multiple finals and the other two didnt and were in their first ever big finals (and in Vera's case probably never will). Or even a 30 year old nearly retired Pierce. And funny to be mocking Kuznetsova's performance in the final when one looks at how Zvonareva and Pierce performed in the U.S Open finals vs Kim. :tape:

And if nobody that good except Venus at the 07 U.S Open and Capriati at the 03 U.S Open played that well vs Henin when she won those U.S Opens, well in that case absolutely nobody at all played that good against Kim in the last 2 U.S Opens she won especialy. Fit or not Serena was crap in the 2009 semis, atleast Henin beat her in the 2007 U.S Open by hitting lots of winners rather than Serena spraying the ball around like 09. And needless to say Venus wasnt anywhere near on her game in either of her two U.S Open losses to Kim, and had an injury to boot, and still nearly won both matches. 2005 you could argue she beat Venus and Maria playing decently at a stretch I guess.


2005. IW & Miami in particular.

I agree 2005 was probably the year of her best tennis ever, and yet she lost in the round of 16 of 2 slams and was eliminated in the RR of the WTA Championships. Henin at her best in 2007 wins 10 of 15 tournaments and doesnt lose before the semis of any of them I believe.


Who is delusional? Please look in the mirror... Apparently you think only certain players gets lucky while ignoring your favourite player.

Like I said Henin did not win slams in what was considered a "weak" era. Clijsters has had her most success in what is now considered by everyone a weak era. And I wasnt the one who brought up anyone being lucky to win slams in the first place (I was only speaking of Radwanska at this tournament). It was your fellow Clijsters fan AcesHigh who decided to take the conversation there. All I am saying is if Henin was lucky as this individual claimed, then Clijsters was just as much and in fact probably more.

And BTW I am still waiting for AcesHigh to go through each slam Henin won and make an excuse for each as she/he stated they could easily do. After all to see how one can even stretch to even invent an excuse for how Henin was lucky to win slams like the 2006 and 2007 French and 2007 U.S Open will be fascinating to say the least. :lol:

Sp!ffy
Jan 25th, 2011, 12:20 AM
I voted for Aga to give her some luck.

cellophane
Jan 25th, 2011, 01:00 AM
You are right, Henin didnt win her slams at the time of a weak field. Kim except for 1 has. Thanks for agreeing.

You can argue she did. She won some of her slams against a choking Kim when Serena and Venus were absent with injuries in 2003-2004...and some of her slams were won against the likes of Ivanovic and Kuznetsova oh... and Pierce (1 and 1).

Excuses galore. Serena has real rivalries with Davenport, Venus, Henin, and even Capriati, as the very competitive H2Hs indicate. With Clijsters she does not as their lopsided H2H reflects.Prior to 2007, Serena had the upper hand over Henin with Henin's only wins coming on clay. Serena never played Kim after she won her first slam... there was never a chance to even the H2H. Venus also leads 7-2 in H2H with Henin btw...doesn't mean at all that Henin isn't capable of beating Venus in slams or wasn't capable of beating Venus in slams in 2007, since she was basically a different player.


If Kim was that capable of beating Serena in slams she would have done it more than once.Again, they have only played once sine 2005. She didn't get to play Serena after she became a better player :shrug:



I didnt say she was amazing now did I. Despite being completely unremarkable (which we both agree on) the so called goddess of tennis, Kim still has only 1 more slam than her. :lol:Kim is a hardcourt GOAT not goddess of tennis ;)


I didnt say it was. However Kuznetsova in the final is still much better than Wozniacki or Zvonareva in the finals.Thanks for the laugh. At least Wozniacki will fight in a final... Kuznetsova will just throw a million unforced errors your way.

You know since one already had a slam (as lucky as it was) and had been in multiple finals and the other two didnt and were in their first ever big finals (and in Vera's case probably never will).And? She was still a worse GS final opponent in that 2007 match than Wozniacki was in 2009.

Or even a 30 year old nearly retired Pierce. And funny to be mocking Kuznetsova's performance in the final when one looks at how Zvonareva and Pierce performed in the U.S Open finals vs Kim. :tape:I didn't claim beating Zvonareva or Pierce was particularly impressive. Henin also beat a horrible Pierce in 2005. I'm just saying that Henin's wins were not over anyone that amazing.

And if nobody that good except Venus at the 07 U.S Open and Capriati at the 03 U.S Open played that well vs Henin when she won those U.S Opens, well in that case absolutely nobody at all played that good against Kim in the last 2 U.S Opens she won especialy. Fit or not Serena was crap in the 2009 semis, atleast Henin beat her in the 2007 U.S Open by hitting lots of winners rather than Serena spraying the ball around like 09. And needless to say Venus wasnt anywhere near on her game in either of her two U.S Open losses to Kim, and had an injury to boot, and still nearly won both matches. 2005 you could argue she beat Venus and Maria playing decently at a stretch I guess.YAWN. You are still not making a good case for Henin slam wins being more impressive... So Venus was injured and Serena was spraying (arguably because she couldn't deal with Kim's defense)... in '07 Serena was moving terribly and played one tournament coming. Is A somehow better than B? We could go on forever really... Again, sorry, but it just isn't more impressive. The only truly impressive win was over Venus in the semis. That's it,

I agree 2005 was probably the year of her best tennis ever, and yet she lost in the round of 16 of 2 slams and was eliminated in the RR of the WTA Championships. She lost to Davenport on grass who almost won it. The FO loss was a freak loss...

Henin at her best in 2007 wins 10 of 15 tournaments and doesnt lose before the semis of any of them I believe.Yah and lost to Bartoli at Wimbledon :tape:


Like I said Henin did not win slams in what was considered a "weak" era.Already went through this. She beat basically the same players in 2007 Clijsters did in 2009 in a not more impressive fashion. So if 2007 field she beat wasn't a weak era, neither was 2009.

In 2003-2004 she arguably benefited from the absence of Venus/Serena and her mental advantage over Clijsters.

And while her clay wins were not lucky, she faced some players who gave mug performances in those finals (Pierce, Ivanovic)... and really on clay it's a mug era currently.

Clijsters has had her most success in what is now considered by everyone a weak era. And I wasnt the one who brought up anyone being lucky to win slams in the first place (I was only speaking of Radwanska at this tournament). It was your fellow Clijsters fan AcesHigh who decided to take the conversation there. All I am saying is if Henin was lucky as this individual claimed, then Clijsters was just as much and in fact probably more. She was not lucky... however she didn't beat competition that was SOOOO much better than who Clijsters beat as you really want to claim.If you are going to try and argue that Clijsters is winning in a weak era (2009-2010)... we can say the same about a few of Henin's wins (2007 & 2003-2004 too) where she beat some injured players / players not at their best / mugs.

Oh, and pray tell, if Henin can beat much tougher competition, why on earth cannot she beat this supposedly way weaker competition now that Clijsters can? :tape:

Leo_DFP
Jan 25th, 2011, 01:06 AM
Radwanska is less threatening to Kim than Makarova.

I think Kim is a fairly routine 2-setter, like 6-4, 6-3 or so.

Smitten
Jan 25th, 2011, 01:07 AM
You are right, Henin didnt win her slams at the time of a weak field. Kim except for 1 has. Thanks for agreeing.

Justine won a few of her slams in a watered down field as well.



Excuses galore. Serena has real rivalries with Davenport, Venus, Henin, and even Capriati, as the very competitive H2Hs indicate. With Clijsters she does not as their lopsided H2H reflects.

Serena/Davenport H2H is not competitive. I'd say Serena/Clijsters(7-2) is more respectable than Davenport's(4-10) especially considering Kim's victories were the YEC F and a slam SF and many other matches were close including in slam play.

Lucemferre
Jan 25th, 2011, 01:11 AM
justineheninfan vs cellophane :drive:

cellophane
Jan 25th, 2011, 01:26 AM
justineheninfan vs cellophane :drive:

I'm just bored :lol:

justineheninfan
Jan 25th, 2011, 01:35 AM
Justine won a few of her slams in a watered down field as well.


Such as? The 2003 U.S Open is the only one I can see argued as it was missing both Williams but it had Henin, Clijsters, Capriati, all at or near their best and Davenport and Mauresmo near the top too. The 2004 Australian Open was missing Serena, but Serena would not dominate or win anything big in 2004 anyway, and Capriati who Henin owned since Day 1 anyway. French Open she beat the various top clay courters of the time (aka not Venus or Sharapova) to dominate and win her 4 titles- Serena twice, Kuznetsova twice, Clijsters twice, Ivanovic once, Jankovic once, Petrova once, Pierce once. And 2007 U.S Open was not in anyway depleted, so what if Kim was retired, she was saved from the royal ass whooping everyone else got from Henin that year anyway, and that Kim got from Justine in every slam meeting (5 in all) from 2003-2006.


Serena/Davenport H2H is not competitive. I'd say Serena/Clijsters(7-2) is more respectable than Davenport's(4-10) especially considering Kim's victories were the YEC F and a slam SF and many other matches were close including in slam play.

Sorry I meant to say Venus instead of Davenport.

The Kaz
Jan 25th, 2011, 04:54 AM
Actually, for me it will be very easy after seeing Kim in the second set I believe she can outhit Radwanska

Oh please, my grandma hit outhit Radwanska :tape: :p

The Kaz
Jan 25th, 2011, 04:55 AM
Clijsters

6-0 7-6(2)

Sp!ffy
Jan 25th, 2011, 04:59 AM
Winning a match isn't always about "outhitting" someone.

Aga was able to defeat Peng, someone with a lot more power. So I don't think she'll be blown off the court as many of you presume.

However, Aga doesn't play her full game when she plays against top players. I think she will lose in straights.

Mistress of Evil
Jan 25th, 2011, 05:09 AM
Aga does not stand a chance, she just had a tough 3-setter plus its her first tourney coming back from injury. MaMa Kim should not drop more than 8 games.

UncleZeke
Jan 25th, 2011, 05:14 AM
Kim in 2.

Emina.
Jan 25th, 2011, 06:48 AM
kim:bounce:

Bonfire
Jan 25th, 2011, 06:51 AM
Kim in two sets:bounce:

Huntress55
Jan 25th, 2011, 06:58 AM
Kim in 2.

QuietPlease
Jan 25th, 2011, 06:59 AM
I wish to see an upset, but I think Kim is too strong.

DimaDinosaur
Jan 25th, 2011, 07:20 AM
I hope Kim destroys Aga, but Aga just survived two MP in the previous match and will also survive Kim.

Aga def Kim in 3 sets due to Kim self-destruction

SoClose
Jan 25th, 2011, 07:33 PM
Go Aga!

sweetpeas
Jan 25th, 2011, 08:08 PM
60 61 Mrs.kim.

PIAoTvTeY
Jan 25th, 2011, 11:34 PM
The most undoubted of the QFs,Kim for sure:drool:

HRHoliviasmith
Jan 25th, 2011, 11:49 PM
it's going to be ugly. :sobbing:

Drake1980
Jan 25th, 2011, 11:54 PM
Kim will not lose more than 5 games. :eek:

Drake1980
Jan 25th, 2011, 11:55 PM
Having said that I love Aga and am so happy she made it this far out of nowhere really! :hearts:

JN
Jan 26th, 2011, 12:52 AM
Kim's outfit looks like something the short lady on the Golden Girls would wear.

nicidle
Jan 26th, 2011, 01:23 AM
well. Radwanska is doing nothing on the court.