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Navratil
Jan 23rd, 2011, 07:42 PM
I guess people would talk a lot more positive about Wozniacki if she was # 3 or 4 in the world. She would be a great # 4 and everyone would say: "She just needs to be more aggressive to make the next step..." and things like that.

But she was unlucky to got to the poleposition too early and everybody is wondering why she is # 1. And to be honest, she's not the best player in the world - despite her ranking. She's never a favorite against the real big players for the bookmakers.

But again she's so lucky with the draw in Melbourne...

edificio
Jan 23rd, 2011, 07:44 PM
It's okay for her to be number one. She still has incentive to do better.

Even when she was lower ranked her game was not popular with everyone. I'd let it go. People are going to have varying opinions about her, and until she wins a Slam, she'll always get the question about being no. 1 without a slam.

PLP
Jan 23rd, 2011, 07:49 PM
No, it's a great achievement. Only time will tell if she remains a slamless #1 or goes the route of Momo and Kim.
I think she will win eventually.

goldenlox
Jan 23rd, 2011, 07:52 PM
I think if Kim or Vera takes it at the AO, she will go get it back.
The #1 ranking gives her something to fight for every match, not just majors.
She likes being #1 and its good motivation.

Njalle
Jan 23rd, 2011, 08:47 PM
But again she's so lucky with the draw in Melbourne...
:rolls::happy::haha:

Spring Pools
Jan 23rd, 2011, 08:52 PM
:rolls::happy::haha:

How is this funny? She's played okay tennis, but so many of the good players in her section of the draw got eliminated.
And I think that we'll see what she's really made of this year because she is lightening her schedule IIRC and will have to do better at each tournament if she wants to stay number 1 and will hopefully have more energy for the slams.

Njalle
Jan 23rd, 2011, 09:01 PM
How is this funny? She's played okay tennis, but so many of the good players in her section of the draw got eliminated.


So you agree. She had a though draw.

Jean-Henri
Jan 23rd, 2011, 09:03 PM
When she was #2 and even before that the number of ignorant haters and criticism at this forum was just as it is now.
They have just added an extra attribute to the repository of cliche's : Worst #1 ever.

Not that TF is a mirror of the public reception of her - thank God - but I think that Caro enjoys being #1, and will not defend that for any price, but have more ambitions and goal, including defined improvements of her game, and winning slams.

Also, I think she has the strong mentality to deal with the extra public focus and criticism, and it will not have any implications of her overall plans if she should loose the #1 rank sooner or later, eg. after AO.

Jean-Henri
Jan 23rd, 2011, 09:06 PM
But again she's so lucky with the draw in Melbourne...

I guesss you are unaware of the other favorites draws then.

Spring Pools
Jan 23rd, 2011, 09:11 PM
So you agree. She had a though draw.
It depends on what her section of the draw means to you. To me, it means quarter since she is the number one seed. However, in her 1/8 of the draw, she had two relatively good players. I only expected her to have hard matches starting in the quarterfinals.
In terms of easiness to get to the quarters, she did have it easy especially with Bartoli out. However, she didn't have the easiest nor the hardest path so far.

kman
Jan 23rd, 2011, 09:13 PM
:rolls::happy::haha:

Agreed :lol:

I almost feel sorry for the haters. They've been using the same "lucky" excuse uninterrupted for almost three years now.

And no, Caroline is better served with #1 spot. Unlike Safina and Ivanovic, she feeds off of people doubting her. It fuels her. The more you hate on her, the farther she'll go so keep hating bitches.

AcesHigh
Jan 23rd, 2011, 09:22 PM
I guess people would talk a lot more positive about Wozniacki if she was # 3 or 4 in the world. She would be a great # 4 and everyone would say: "She just needs to be more aggressive to make the next step..." and things like that.

But she was unlucky to got to the poleposition too early and everybody is wondering why she is # 1. And to be honest, she's not the best player in the world - despite her ranking. She's never a favorite against the real big players for the bookmakers.

But again she's so lucky with the draw in Melbourne...

:lol:

She didn't get there too early. She got the most points and won the most tournaments last year. Don't worry about her

terjw
Jan 23rd, 2011, 09:22 PM
No. It's great for her to be #1. She earned it, won six tournaments last year - more than anyone since Justine in 2007. And is proud and thrilled of it. It's an achievment she could only dream of getting when she was young. Very few players do it. It would be terrible if she was not #1 and deprived of what she earned and was denied the experience. And the idea that she would be better off if she played worse and not won so much so she wasn't #1 is ridiculous.

goldenlox
Jan 23rd, 2011, 09:27 PM
With Dinara, Ana, Jelena, people act like being #1 did something to them.
But there are plenty of players who didnt get near #1, and dropped off, like ACHAK.
It happens to some players, #1 or not.

Jorn
Jan 23rd, 2011, 11:29 PM
It may be good she lose the no. 1 spot, so she have a goal get it back...

Navratil
Jan 27th, 2011, 07:11 PM
This situation is getting dangerous for Wozniacki. It steals her self-confidence to be ranked # 1 and nobody believes in her winning a Slam.

If she was # 5 or 6, reaching her first Melbourne semi, you could say: "Great tournament". But this way it's just another setback and disappointment for her.

We'll see how the season will develop ...

I'm sure she will lose the pole position pretty soon anyway to Clijsters.

goldenlox
Jan 27th, 2011, 07:12 PM
Caro came out playing her normal game.
I dont think she blew a match point on her serve because she's #1.
We will see what happens now. No more majors until mid May.

Jane Lane
Jan 27th, 2011, 07:14 PM
http://archive.perfectduluthday.com/beating-a-dead-horse.gif

carling
Jan 27th, 2011, 09:27 PM
Look, this subject has been discussed to death. Bottom line is, like Jankovic and Safina, Caroline is not a true number one until she wins a slam AND starts beating the top players consistently. She has never beaten Venus, Serena, Clijsters, or Henin. Caroline didn't have to play any of these women and STILL lost in the semis! I like Caroline, but the facts speak for themselves.

Frankly, I think people should be harder on Caroline than they were on Jankovic and Safina if she doesn't take advantage of the opportunity to win slams that she has right now. Serena's out, and even she will be rusty when she comes back. Venus is past her prime. Vika can't seem to get her shit together. Sharapova ain't what she used to be and Henin just retired. If Caroline can't step up and win a slam NOW, then when?????

The more chances she misses the harder it's going to be. I don't give a damn how Caroline tries to play it off the pressure to win a slam is there and growing. Jankovic and Safina took the same approach. Didn't work for them either. If ol' girl doesn't come up with a French, Wimbledon, or US Open this year, the bloom is definitely off the rose.

mariavikafan
Jan 27th, 2011, 09:32 PM
No way, we need to hear Serena's comments first.

Njalle
Jan 27th, 2011, 09:50 PM
She has never beaten Venus, Serena, Clijsters, or Henin.
Henin retired. Serena is injured and thus they can't meet. Venus never makes it deep enough to meet Caro. So that only leaves Kim. Makes it kind of difficult for her to prove, eh?

sorceress
Jan 27th, 2011, 11:33 PM
Yes because she's possibly one of the worst number 1s and anyway she's a caretaker...that's it and she'll get her ass handed to her by one of the Williams sisters or Clijsters.

goldenlox
Jan 27th, 2011, 11:36 PM
If Kim would have passed her for #1, Caro would just go take it back.
It gives her a goal in between majors. Its about 15 weeks at #1 now. And continues.

These Caro threads are not much different than the 'Kim wins majors by default' threads.
You do the best you can & you move to the next tournament.
If people think you shouldnt have your success, that's their problem, not the player's problem.

LightWarrior
Jan 27th, 2011, 11:53 PM
No way, we need to hear Serena's comments first.

If Kim wins on Saturday I want her to say "Well she won Montreal and Beijing". Come on Kim, pull a Serena !

kman
Jan 28th, 2011, 02:27 AM
She just went farther at the AO than she's ever been holding the #1 ranking. If that's indicative of things to come, the #1 ranking could be more beneficial than detrimental to her. Caroline usually doesn't get going until a few months into the season, but now she already has a slam SF, one point from a final.

theFutureisNow
Jan 28th, 2011, 02:39 AM
I think a more focused way to ask this is- Should Wozniacki drop a few tournaments and risk losing a few points in the rankings?

I think the answer is yes. It would be better to use that extra time working on her game than wear herself out trying to scrape up a few more ranking points.

Psychologically it would be better because her ranking would more accurately reflect her actual level of play. Physically it would be better because she would be less likely to get worn down or injured. It might be financially better also since the big money in tennis is in winning slams/getting endorsements.

espntennis
Jan 28th, 2011, 02:51 AM
Well, IF Kim wins the AO and does well in Feb in Paris, she'll be numero uno, correct?

simonsaystennis
Jan 28th, 2011, 03:05 AM
No, it's a great achievement. Only time will tell if she remains a slamless #1 or goes the route of Momo and Kim.
I think she will win eventually.

Agree completely with this.

Pops Maellard
Jan 28th, 2011, 05:33 AM
It would be better for Caroline and the WTA.

BepaMaria
Jan 28th, 2011, 05:42 AM
Frankly speaking, yes. She definitely is not playing like a world #1 and by being #1 according to the rankings, it will only give her added pressure to have to perform well. Currently, she is a far worser #1 than Safina and Jankovic so it would be much better for her to be ranked like #3 or #4 so that the weight on her shoulders can be lifted and she can play with lesser stress. That way, it would be easier for her to win a slam as well.

Melange
Jan 28th, 2011, 05:46 AM
I guess people would talk a lot more positive about Wozniacki if she was # 3 or 4 in the world. She would be a great # 4 and everyone would say: "She just needs to be more aggressive to make the next step..." and things like that.

But she was unlucky to got to the poleposition too early and everybody is wondering why she is # 1. And to be honest, she's not the best player in the world - despite her ranking. She's never a favorite against the real big players for the bookmakers.

But again she's so lucky with the draw in Melbourne...


Some people just have a very short memory. Last year when she was not number one all they could talk about was she has not beaten anyone in top 20 and never won a tier 1. They need to keep finding things to hate on.

Jajaloo
Jan 28th, 2011, 06:04 AM
I don't think it gets to her at all.

I think she would be exactly the same if she was #1 or #3. I don't expect her to be #1 by the end of the year though. She has a lot of points to defend. The top spot will be competitive between her and Kim.

bandabou
Jan 28th, 2011, 06:40 AM
The thing with Caro is..she reaches all those finals at the regular events, even YEC..but still can't muster ONE single final at a major?! :help:
Not much of big match player yet..but she's young.

Mary Cherry.
Jan 28th, 2011, 06:43 AM
Nobody else deserves it right now. You could argue Kim does, but she came back as a part time player on the tour. Having a part time #1 seems ridiculous, whereas Wozniacki being #1 because of pure consistency doesn't seem so ridiculous.

Calypso
Jan 28th, 2011, 07:10 AM
Its great for her to be number one.

Nobody gave her those points for free. If anyone else wants to be No. 1, let them earn the points to get there.

That is the way the ranking system is, and until the authorities change it by doubling the current number of points won for a GS victory, tennis fans will have to live with seeing more hard working players who (deservedly) get to the top by being consistent all year without necessarily winning the majors.

scoobz
Jan 28th, 2011, 07:14 AM
I'm happy for her to be #1 - I just remind myself that #1 no longer means "best player in the world", it means "most consistent WTA tour player in the last 12 months".

MyskinaManiac
Jan 28th, 2011, 07:18 AM
The ranking system has failed the players. She is not the number one player on the tour, that goes to Clijsters or even Zvonareva. She would make a great number 3 or 4... a well deserved 3 or 4.

amaze
Jan 28th, 2011, 07:52 AM
Reading this forum I've got a feeling that Caroline is deadly guilty for being #1 player. She should start every day with giving an apology to every tennis fan.

:weirdo:

Pops Maellard
Jan 28th, 2011, 08:11 AM
Reading this forum I've got a feeling that Caroline is deadly guilty for being #1 player. She should start every day with giving an apology to every tennis fan.

:weirdo:

Lord of heaven, forgive us for wanting our #1 to actually be the best player in the world! http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/8499/pleadingemoue2.jpg

Navratil
Jan 28th, 2011, 08:29 AM
Reading this forum I've got a feeling that Caroline is deadly guilty for being #1 player. She should start every day with giving an apology to every tennis fan.

:weirdo:

No, no! The other way around: This thread is about the ranking system is guilty for people hammering on Wozniacki ;)
The question is, would she be critizised the same way if she was ranked lower...

Mistress of Evil
Jan 28th, 2011, 09:06 AM
Cut it off already. :banghead: Like it or not, she is THE NUMBER ONE PLAYER IN THE WORLD NOW. :bigwave:

amaze
Jan 28th, 2011, 09:09 AM
No, no! The other way around: This thread is about the ranking system is guilty for people hammering on Wozniacki ;)
The question is, would she be critizised the same way if she was ranked lower...
Oh ok. They would've found another 2342351 reasons to bash Caroline even if she was ranked lower. In haters' limited minds she doesn't deserve to step on court cause she's a so-called pusher.
As for me, the system was indeed guilty for showing Serena Williams as #1 player while she stopped to care about tennis at all. That was a shame and something must've been done even before Caro saved the situation.

kman
Jan 28th, 2011, 04:04 PM
The thing with Caro is..she reaches all those finals at the regular events, even YEC..but still can't muster ONE single final at a major?!
Except she did muster ONE single final at a major dumbass.

kman
Jan 28th, 2011, 04:11 PM
No, no! The other way around: This thread is about the ranking system is guilty for people hammering on Wozniacki ;)
The question is, would she be critizised the same way if she was ranked lower...

A question which is answered by the fact that she was criticized the same way when she was #10, #4, #3 etc. When she wins a slam she'll be criticized for being a one-slam wonder. Like her father says, she should just remain completely callous in the face of this critcism and keep making babysteps toward improving her game. It's not long ago she was criticized for 4R slam results and no Premier wins. Now she's won a row of Premier tournaments, made two slam semis in addition to her first final and added a YEC final too. And yea, that should've been two slam finals, but she butched that matchpoint. Still, it's going in the right direction, especially considering she usually does shit poor at Australian Open compared to the others.

Shvedbarilescu
Jan 28th, 2011, 04:56 PM
Speaking personally...having Caroline Wozniacki at number 1 doesn't bother me in the least. Neither did it bother me when Serena Williams was number 1, or when Dinara Safina was number 1, or when Justine Henin was number 1, or when Jelena Jankovic was number 1. It also didn't bother me when Ivanovic and Sharapova and Davenport all got to number 1.

At the end of the day, whoever is number one it doesn't have any day to day impact on my personal life so why would I lose sleep over it? If Kim Clijsters steels the number one spot for Caroline's clutches in the next few months good for her. If she doesn't good for Caroline. :shrug:

carling
Jan 29th, 2011, 08:33 AM
Henin retired. Serena is injured and thus they can't meet. Venus never makes it deep enough to meet Caro. So that only leaves Kim. Makes it kind of difficult for her to prove, eh?

With all those players out of commission, it should be easy for Caroline to prove herself and win some slams. After all, she is #1. Isn't that what she's supposed to do?

TheHangover
Jan 29th, 2011, 09:05 AM
I'm the only one who saw a wozniacki really worst than in the last part of 2010, (where she played really well like in beijing)? sorry but i think she is another victim of racket change like ivanovic! do you think it's possible?

Njalle
Jan 29th, 2011, 10:08 AM
With all those players out of commission, it should be easy for Caroline to prove herself and win some slams. After all, she is #1. Isn't that what she's supposed to do?

Don't worry - she will. She already reached two slam SF as of lately. Now she will take the next step if not at FO or W then at USO. :bounce:

goldenlox
Jan 29th, 2011, 12:59 PM
Now its only 140 points between them. So there is a competition for the #1 spot. Kim lost her first 4 slam finals. So both these 2 had success without a slam title early in their careers.

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Enjoying my last night in Melbourne! Dinner on the beach with my parents, Kirilenko, her parents, Mats and Sven..

Claycourter
Jan 29th, 2011, 01:01 PM
Don't worry - she will. She already reached two slam SF as of lately. Now she will take the next step if not at FO or W then at USO. :bounce:

Not to rain on your parade, but Caro's clay game isn't good at all. Neither is her grass game. No serve and can't finish at the net.

C. W. Fields
Jan 29th, 2011, 01:25 PM
Caro actually has 1000 ranking points more now than in October when she became #1. If Kim takes over the #1 spot after Paris (which she probably does) she'll have WON it, Caro won't have LOST it as it happened to other #1s. How going from #1 to #2 will effect Caro I don't know (maybe it won't effect her at all), but I certainly don't think being overtaken by a flying Kim will make her feel like less of a player as long as she herself continues to improve.

Njalle
Jan 29th, 2011, 05:08 PM
Not to rain on your parade, but Caro's clay game isn't good at all. Neither is her grass game. No serve and can't finish at the net.

These days you don't have to have a good game to win. You just need a game that is better than your opponents. And there are very few players with good clay game. Regarding Wimbledon: Caro has a junior GS title, so she ain't all that bad even if she has only reached R4 at senior level.

goldenlox
Jan 29th, 2011, 05:11 PM
Caro was in a Madrid final. Last year lost to the FO champion in Paris.
She also won Eastbourne in 2009. She can play on each surface, but like Kim, probably prefers hardcourt.

Talula
Jan 29th, 2011, 05:14 PM
I feel for Caroline, and I think she would be better off without the albatross of the No 1 around her neck. But it isn't her fault and she can do nothing about the ranking system.

goldenlox
Jan 29th, 2011, 05:22 PM
Well Kim might pass her for #1, so you dont have to feel sorry for Caroline.
Maybe there's other people on the planet you should feel sorry for, probably not Wozniacki