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Leo_DFP
Jan 22nd, 2011, 03:08 PM
I think much tougher than Petrova would have been. Her style is very awkward and hard to get into a rhythm against.

Can this one go 3?

BepaMaria
Jan 22nd, 2011, 03:11 PM
No way Makarova is gonna beat Kim. She would be lucky if she avoids the bagel.

LUVMIRZA
Jan 22nd, 2011, 03:11 PM
Come on EG:cheer::cheer: lets do this and make the AO'11 the crappiest...

Soliloque
Jan 22nd, 2011, 03:12 PM
She has beaten Kim on grass, it will be harder to beat her on this surface.

They've never met.


Makarova has barely beaten two top 20 who where not in great form and now people are considering her like a future top 10. If Kim plays at her level (not like today), Makarova will crash in 2.

goldenlox
Jan 22nd, 2011, 03:13 PM
Her level at Eastbourne was equal to Kim, and Kim wasn't sharp against Cornet, so it wouldn't be a shock, but I dont expect it

Imperfect Angel
Jan 22nd, 2011, 03:14 PM
If this thread isn't created, she will probably upset Kim but then Kim will see this and knows what to do against her and will win without losing more than 5 games.

Leo_DFP
Jan 22nd, 2011, 03:15 PM
They've never met.


Makarova has barely beaten two top 20 who where not in great form and now people are considering her like a future top 10. If Kim plays at her level (not like today), Makarova will crash in 2.

I don't know if she can be Top 10, and that's not what I said, but I do think she can press Kim and make the Belgian hit a ton of errors.

Miss Atomic Bomb
Jan 22nd, 2011, 03:15 PM
They've never met.



Yes, I just realised it after posting that, somehow I thought it was Kim she beat.

LUVMIRZA
Jan 22nd, 2011, 03:17 PM
Yes, I jsut realised it after posting that, somehow I thought it was Kim she beat.

She beat the screaming blonde:sad:

Temperenka
Jan 22nd, 2011, 03:18 PM
Since Kim played poorly in her last round, she is surely going to come out firing in this match. Kim in 2.

AcesHigh
Jan 22nd, 2011, 03:21 PM
I think the next few opponents for Kim will be very tricky.
With certain seeds, you know what to expect. With players you've never played against, it's always a bit tougher.

Claycourter
Jan 22nd, 2011, 03:22 PM
Another Russian headcase. Fiona in 2, not even playing top 50 tennis :o

cellophane
Jan 22nd, 2011, 03:46 PM
Another Russian headcase. Fiona in 2, not even playing top 50 tennis :o

:dance:

joćo.
Jan 22nd, 2011, 04:04 PM
I think Kim will win anyway so :shrug:

it-girl
Jan 22nd, 2011, 04:25 PM
Yes she could if she plays as bold as she has been playing. Being a lefty can make her a little hard to read but we will see what happens.

The Witch-king
Jan 22nd, 2011, 04:28 PM
No, Kim will clean her game up significantly for the next round.

Soliloque
Jan 22nd, 2011, 04:43 PM
The only lefty who's causing trouble to Kim is Patty (H2H is 6-3). But Kim has a perfect record against big hitters lefty (Safarova, Kvitova, Benesova...) and she's beating them pretty easily (6/1 6/0 against Lucie in Eastbourne, 6/1 6/1 or 6/3 6/0 against Petra last year).

Mistress of Evil
Jan 22nd, 2011, 04:58 PM
Nah, Kimberly should win in two even playing at 60 %.

Mightymirza
Jan 22nd, 2011, 04:58 PM
no

Vikapower
Jan 22nd, 2011, 05:04 PM
Makarova is a danger (...) Kimmie's game can degrade so fast and indeed Makarova doesn't give you much of a rhythm not to help the belgian. :lol:

Soliloque
Jan 22nd, 2011, 05:11 PM
Cornet was tricky with her forehand. Kim is pretty useless when she has to hit a shot above the shoulder. Makarova is hitting flat, not at all like Alize, and Kim loves to play flat hitters.

The Dawntreader
Jan 22nd, 2011, 05:13 PM
No. As soon as Saint Sin employs even the slightest bit of width wit her BH cc, Makarova will flounder. Makarova is one of the most ungainly movers i've seen, not in the sense that she's slow, but she has no fluidity and just flails her enormous limbs around.

The only real problem for Saint Sin, or at least give her pause for thought, is that Makarova has the ability to take the return eaarly and hit a flatter, offensive ball immediately, compared to Navarro and Cornet who kiss the service line on their returns.

gorre
Jan 22nd, 2011, 05:16 PM
I think bookies little bit overrate Kim - avg. 1,06:1 right now :rolleyes: I believe that Ekaterina could make 6 games at least :)

PS: I made 2K on Makarova +7 1.694 Pinnacle :cool: (looking forward to 6-2 6-2 Kim :lol: )

Cleffa
Jan 22nd, 2011, 05:28 PM
Probably will go tie-break just like the Cornet match in first set if Makarina plays well. But still Kim in 2, 3 only if Kim plays crappy but seems unlikely because after the Cornet match she knows what to work at already.

PLP
Jan 22nd, 2011, 06:17 PM
They've never met.


Makarova has barely beaten two top 20 who where not in great form and now people are considering her like a future top 10. If Kim plays at her level (not like today), Makarova will crash in 2.

Hmm, did you see either of those matches? Both Ana and Nadia played pretty well and fought til the end. Did either play the match of their lives? No, but Kim was so bad against Cornet.

I am not arguing with you though. :lol:
Kim should still take this in 2...just hope the real Kim shows up, Makarova will fight it out.

sammy01
Jan 22nd, 2011, 06:18 PM
No. As soon as Saint Sin employs even the slightest bit of width wit her BH cc, Makarova will flounder. Makarova is one of the most ungainly movers i've seen, not in the sense that she's slow, but she has no fluidity and just flails her enormous limbs around.

The only real problem for Saint Sin, or at least give her pause for thought, is that Makarova has the ability to take the return eaarly and hit a flatter, offensive ball immediately, compared to Navarro and Cornet who kiss the service line on their returns.

that was 0.08743% compliment to saint kim, your personal record lol :hug:

aligator
Jan 22nd, 2011, 08:52 PM
I seriously doubt in that,but who knows...It's kind of always tricky to play the lefty,but I expect an easy win for Kim!Something likes 7:5,6:1!

le bon vivant
Jan 22nd, 2011, 09:05 PM
No way Makarova is gonna beat Kim. She would be lucky if she avoids the bagel.:crying2:

L'Enfant Sauvage
Jan 22nd, 2011, 09:09 PM
Saint Kļmme GOATsters will crush this nobody.

Cp6uja
Jan 22nd, 2011, 09:28 PM
If Russian Mafia put same sh*t in Kim's energy drink like in Ivanovic and Petrova case (but double dose), Makarova will win another epic 3-setter.
Otherwise I expect another double bagel from Kim.

doktor
Jan 22nd, 2011, 10:33 PM
If Russian Mafia put same sh*t in Kim's energy drink like in Ivanovic and Petrova case (but double dose), Makarova will win another epic 3-setter.
Otherwise I expect another double bagel from Kim.

:lol:

I don't know if this is supposed to be a joke or not.

Pops Maellard
Jan 22nd, 2011, 10:35 PM
Nah...Kim will do her bare minimum like usual and get through in 2 semi-tough sets.

Ferg
Jan 22nd, 2011, 10:39 PM
Anyone can be tough for Kim when she plays shit. I just hope Makarova doesnt have fatigue which scuppers her chances.

Ferg
Jan 22nd, 2011, 10:40 PM
:lol:

I don't know if this is supposed to be a joke or not.

I dont think he does jokes :scared:

Sp!ffy
Jan 22nd, 2011, 10:42 PM
No way Makarova is gonna beat Kim. She would be lucky if she avoids the bagel.

I'm actually quite appalled at how little some people know about this sport. :eek:

Break My Rapture
Jan 22nd, 2011, 10:46 PM
If Kim keeps up her nautiously inconsistent play and Ekat plays well, there's defo a chance for Makarova I think.

Craig.
Jan 22nd, 2011, 10:48 PM
Nah, she'll bullshit her way through to another final :yawn:

sammy01
Jan 22nd, 2011, 10:57 PM
Nah, she'll bullshit her way through to another final :yawn:

you wont be moaning if sharapova 'bullshits' her way through to the final of the other half :yawn:

doooma6816
Jan 22nd, 2011, 11:03 PM
I've thought that since I saw her in match against Ivanovic. But Kim will win it, experiance, mental, luck...

Craig.
Jan 22nd, 2011, 11:05 PM
you wont be moaning if sharapova 'bullshits' her way through to the final of the other half :yawn:

Yeah, so? :confused: And she'll most likely play better quality opponents than Makarova if she does :shrug:

WTF Sammy, when'd you get so defensive? :lol:

sammy01
Jan 22nd, 2011, 11:11 PM
Yeah, so? :confused: And she'll most likely play better quality opponents than Makarova if she does :shrug:

WTF Sammy, when'd you get so defensive? :lol:

well you say kim will bullshit her way to the final, as if making slam finals is so easy and if so why has maria done it lately?

i'm not being defensive, just thought you might give credit where it is due. i mean the 2 slam finals kim has reached on return to the tour shes beat bartoli, li, venus and serena in 09, ivanovic, stosur and venus in '10. obviously those are all mug players

Break My Rapture
Jan 22nd, 2011, 11:19 PM
well you say kim will bullshit her way to the final, as if making slam finals is so easy and if so why has maria done it lately?

i'm not being defensive, just thought you might give credit where it is due. i mean the 2 slam finals kim has reached on return to the tour shes beat bartoli, li, venus and serena in 09, ivanovic, stosur and venus in '10. obviously those are all mug players
In USO '09, she didn't 'bullshit her way to the title', that's true. She reached a very high level.

But the way she won it the next year really does fit that bill. She wasn't even playing that well.

sammy01
Jan 22nd, 2011, 11:23 PM
In USO '09, she didn't 'bullshit her way to the title', that's true. She reached a very high level.

But the way she won it the next year really does fit that bill. She wasn't even playing that well.

she was obviously playing better than everyone else, so kim playing better than everyone else is not enough she has to play upto a standard you set to? lol

J4m3ka
Jan 22nd, 2011, 11:24 PM
well you say kim will bullshit her way to the final, as if making slam finals is so easy and if so why has maria done it lately?

i'm not being defensive, just thought you might give credit where it is due. i mean the 2 slam finals kim has reached on return to the tour shes beat bartoli, li, venus and serena in 09, ivanovic, stosur and venus in '10. obviously those are all mug players

Actually not as impressive as it looks... Na, has totally brainless days especially in slams and Slumpovic who is barely more than a journeywoman these days.

Stosur who isn't really anything more than a topspin claycourter, granny Venus who has turned into a head case gifting away multiple DFs in slam semi tie breaks. The only respectable win was the 09 Serena and even then Serena's serve had abandoned her, a rare occurrence.

The Dawntreader
Jan 22nd, 2011, 11:27 PM
In USO '09, she didn't 'bullshit her way to the title', that's true. She reached a very high level.

But the way she won it the next year really does fit that bill. She wasn't even playing that well.

Sign of the times. The last two major championships (USO and YEC), have just been a wasteland, in which the last one standing feeds off the scraps.

Hopefully there's still time for a player to win this in a half-inspired mood. Though something tells me Saint Sin's level will only further drop as the tournament reaches a close.

sammy01
Jan 22nd, 2011, 11:28 PM
Actually not as impressive as it looks... Na, has totally brainless days especially in slams and Slumpovic who is barely more than a journeywoman these days.

Stosur who isn't really anything more than a topspin claycourter, granny Venus who has turned into a head case gifting away multiple DFs in slam semi tie breaks. The only respectable win was the 09 Serena and even then Serena's serve had abandoned her, a rare occurrence.

so to you the only way kim can justify winning a slam or reaching a slam final without bullshitting her way there is to beat serena. even when she does (us open 09) you still manage to add in an excuse.

sammy01
Jan 22nd, 2011, 11:30 PM
Sign of the times. The last two major championships (USO and YEC), have just been a wasteland, in which the last one standing feeds off the scraps.

Hopefully there's still time for a player to win this in a half-inspired mood. Though something tells me Saint Sin's level will only further drop as the tournament reaches a close.

and why would you think that, kim's best match in the us open was the final, and in the YEC was the semi?

The Dawntreader
Jan 22nd, 2011, 11:32 PM
and why would you think that, kim's best match in the us open was the final, and in the YEC was the semi?

Are you having a laugh?

J4m3ka
Jan 22nd, 2011, 11:34 PM
so to you the only way kim can justify winning a slam or reaching a slam final without bullshitting her way there is to beat serena. even when she does (us open 09) you still manage to add in an excuse.

Firstly it wasn't me who claimed that Kim bullshits her way to finals.

I'm just saying that the 'achievements' you listed weren't exactly inspiring. Kim played better than Serena in the 09 semis, no doubt about that. However it was also clear that Kim was playing the best match of her comeback and Serena wasn't all that good.

I fully expect Goatrena to make a revengeful return and take her out this year, hopefully at the USO. :devil:

sammy01
Jan 22nd, 2011, 11:35 PM
Are you having a laugh?

no, see how she completely dismantled stosur in the 2nd set in the semi. the highlights are on youtube.

The Dawntreader
Jan 22nd, 2011, 11:38 PM
no, see how she completely dismantled stosur in the 2nd set in the semi. the highlights are on youtube.

Dismantling Stosur on hard is hardly a badge of honour. Once Stosur's serve drops below 50%, she's a sitting duck for any half-decent ball-striker.

Quite frankly, that YEC was so tragic (like greek-tragedy bad), i'm suprised anyone benefited from it at all.

J4m3ka
Jan 22nd, 2011, 11:41 PM
Dismantling Stosur on hard is hardly a badge of honour. Once Stosur's serve drops below 50%, she's a sitting duck for any half-decent ball-striker.

Quite frankly, that YEC was so tragic (like greek-tragedy bad), i'm suprised anyone benefited from it at all.

Both the USO and YEC were tragic. The sweet smell of a certain opportunist is in the air. :angel:

cellophane
Jan 22nd, 2011, 11:47 PM
However it was also clear that Kim was playing the best match of her comeback and Serena wasn't all that good.

So what you are saying is Kim's best can only beat a sub-par Serena in two tight sets :lol: Bitch please :rolleyes:

J4m3ka
Jan 22nd, 2011, 11:49 PM
So what you are saying is Kim's best can only beat a sub-par Serena in two tight sets :lol: Bitch please :rolleyes:

Yes, thats exactly what I'm saying. Their results, achievements and h2h support this fact also. :drool:

cellophane
Jan 22nd, 2011, 11:54 PM
Yes, thats exactly what I'm saying. Their results, achievements and h2h support this fact also. :drool:

You wish. Kim played as well as it was necessary to win it... :shrug: It was not "her best" as you wish to think :lol:

And Serena appeared to play poorly in part because her ground game was basically taken apart by Clijsters' defense...LEt's face it Serena is not as fast as she used to be

H2H doesn't mean much btw as the haven't played for ages... and even in 2002-2003 Kim was competitive with Peak Serena

roelc
Jan 23rd, 2011, 12:03 AM
Yes, thats exactly what I'm saying. Their results, achievements and h2h support this fact also. :drool:

the H2H shows that they ve met once after mid-2003. kim won
they never played when kim was at her absolute top (2005), and she didn t have the luck to meet serena in her mediocre years either (when she was losing to the bammers of this world)

if you want to go a bit further in time (saying kim was top at her first YEC title), H2H is 2-2 from there, with 2 2-set-wins for kim, and she had match points in one of the matches she lost.
guess she s not such a horrible player after all

J4m3ka
Jan 23rd, 2011, 12:03 AM
You wish. Kim played as well as it was necessary to win it... :shrug: It was not "her best" as you wish to think :lol:

And Serena appeared to play poorly in part because her ground game was basically taken apart by Clijsters' defense...

H2H doesn't mean much btw as the haven't played for ages... and even in 2002-2003 Kim was competitive with Peak Serena

Fiona has stated in interviews that she played the best match of her career. But I guess you know better than the opportunist herself.

I don't care to find the part on in YouTube, but Serena at parts was just guiding the ball back in with little to no pace or strength. Clijsters's pushing under normal circumstances would be punished by a typical Serena groundstroke, hence the h2h.

Serena's serve was unusually weak for her standard too, something which Fiona certainly did not 'take apart', especially considering she camps way behind the baseline to return :spit:

J4m3ka
Jan 23rd, 2011, 12:07 AM
the H2H shows that they ve met once after mid-2003. kim won
they never played when kim was at her absolute top (2005), and she didn t have the luck to meet serena in her mediocre years either (when she was losing to the bammers of this world)

if you want to go a bit further in time (saying kim was top at her first YEC title), H2H is 2-2 from there, with 2 2-set-wins for kim, and she had match points in one of the matches she lost.
guess she s not such a horrible player after all

You can try and fragment the h2h all you want. The figures speak for themselves :wavey:

Not only is there the h2h, but it sounds to me like you are under the impression their achievements are more or less the same? Puhhlease. Especially considering the fact that Clijsters took advantage of the years and achieved double in two years what she could only obtain in 10 years including her peak :spit:

cellophane
Jan 23rd, 2011, 12:11 AM
Fiona has stated in interviews that she played the best match of her career. But I guess you know better than the opportunist herself.

Oh please. I wouldn't be surprised if she said that because beating Serena in a slam is pretty special. It's certainly not the absolute best match she has played in her career though... and who says it's the best she is capable of playing?


I don't care to find the part on in YouTube, but Serena at parts was just guiding the ball back in with little to no pace or strength. Clijsters's pushing under normal circumstances would be punished by a typical Serena groundstroke, hence the h2h.

H2H - most matches were played Clijsters's before first slam win...she certainly should have won the AO 2003 semi if it weren't for the massive choke.

And pushing? :weirdo: Who are you - Claycourter's second account? I think you lose any credibility with that comment. Serena tried to outhit Clijsters, but basically failed in that match because Kim was getting everything back and sending it with interest :wavey:

roelc
Jan 23rd, 2011, 12:16 AM
You can try and fragment the h2h all you want. The figures speak for themselves :wavey:

Not only is there the h2h, but it sounds to me like you are under the impression their achievements are more or less the same? Puhhlease. Especially considering the fact that Clijsters took advantage of the years and achieved double in two years what she could only obtain in 10 years including her peak :spit:

not at all, but if you have eyes, you can see that most of the matches were played when kim was on her way towards the top, and serena was at the top already.
just like kim had a losing H2H with lindsay in the first years, but then, when kim was at her top herself, kim reversed that H2H. i dont say she would have done that with serena, i say she didnt have the chance to do that with serena.
(same story with henin and venus actually. they tend to never meet anymore)

J4m3ka
Jan 23rd, 2011, 12:18 AM
Yes of course she just said it for the sake of it....not. :rolleyes:

Are you suggesting Clijsters can outhit Serena? :spit: not sure if serious.

..... seriously, who cares when the matches were played? Theyre all relevant, try to take out the ones which favour your delusioned argument all you want.

Serena failed in that match because she never had chance to end it. :wavey:

roelc
Jan 23rd, 2011, 12:22 AM
Serena failed in that match because she never had chance to end it. :wavey

she definitely ended that match. on her very own special way... :wavey:

cellophane
Jan 23rd, 2011, 12:32 AM
Are you suggesting Clijsters can outhit Serena? :spit: not sure if serious.

Are you suggesting Clijsters is some pusher who just stands there and does nothing with the ball :weirdo:

..... seriously, who cares when the matches were played? Theyre all relevant, try to take out the ones which favour your delusioned argument all you want.

Sure it matters... how can you possibly point to matches that happened ages ago as evidence of what Clijsters is capable of now. Henin had a 7-1 losing H2H with Venus before she played her in 2007 again...she won the match despite the H2H

Serena failed in that match because she never had chance to end it. :wavey:

Of course... keep wishing :lol: I think I'm bored with replying to your attempts at trolling :yawn:

Sombrerero loco
Jan 23rd, 2011, 01:14 AM
lol, makarova wont beat kim =S

Six Feet Under
Jan 23rd, 2011, 02:00 AM
Yes, she will be tricky.

Miss Atomic Bomb
Jan 23rd, 2011, 02:02 AM
Yes, thats exactly what I'm saying. Their results, achievements and h2h support this fact also. :drool:

Interesting article ! http://bleacherreport.com/articles/581029-kim-clijsters-vs-serena-williams-a-stroke-by-stroke-comparison-of-their-games

Soliloque
Jan 23rd, 2011, 02:10 AM
Interesting article ! http://bleacherreport.com/articles/581029-kim-clijsters-vs-serena-williams-a-stroke-by-stroke-comparison-of-their-games

I hate when Kim's backhand is underrated. It's one of the best.

cellophane
Jan 23rd, 2011, 02:27 AM
Interesting article ! http://bleacherreport.com/articles/581029-kim-clijsters-vs-serena-williams-a-stroke-by-stroke-comparison-of-their-games

Written by an egotistical Serena fan .

TS
Jan 23rd, 2011, 02:32 AM
Hell to the no.

Mama Cass will eat her up.

cellophane
Jan 23rd, 2011, 02:41 AM
Hell to the no.

Mama Cass will eat her up.


:sobbing:

BlueTrees
Jan 23rd, 2011, 02:52 AM
Kim will win 6-2 6-3 or something

DragonFlame
Jan 23rd, 2011, 03:01 AM
She's going to roll over her. Zvonareva not in a final, kvitova with no errors, na li with no errors, and kuznetsova back to her old self are the only ones i could see having a chance.

Leo_DFP
Jan 23rd, 2011, 06:36 AM
Okay, back to the point of this thread before it became a Kim vs. Serena, hardcourt GOAT, epic shitfest.

You guys, they scheduled this match as the last one on court tomorrow, after what could be a VERY long and drawn out men's match (Nadal/Cilic). :tape: I think Momma Kim will be grumpy. She might even have a depleted crowd. I think this makes things even trickier.

scoobz
Jan 23rd, 2011, 06:38 AM
Given the way Kim can suddenly be her own worst enemy out on court, the Makarova match could be struggle in that she will be the opponent that gives Kim the opportunity to cause herself problems.

Hopefully she got that out of her system vs Cornet though.

Claycourter
Jan 23rd, 2011, 06:42 AM
Poor Fiona must be exhausted after all the epic matches she's had in previous rounds, beating all those world class opponents. What a rigged draw. Makaraova will be almost impossible to beat with the impressive way she dismantled Nadia (another elite player) :scared: :sad:

L'Enfant Sauvage
Jan 23rd, 2011, 06:42 AM
Written by an egotistical Serena fan .

Painful as it may seem, the article is spot on :bounce:

cellophane
Jan 23rd, 2011, 06:03 PM
Painful as it may seem, the article is spot on :bounce:

Painful for who? :lol: Kim is still in the tournament as far as I know. Serena is injured & not playing, so some obviously bitter fan decided to write this to make himself feel better... I mean how dare Kim not acknowledge GOATRena's greatness.... off with her head.

Leo_DFP
Jan 25th, 2011, 12:53 AM
bump.

just sayin'.